RE: The book "Seven Generations of the Decendants of Aquila & Thomas Chase" by John Carroll Chase and George Chamberlain (1928), I have it and would be pleased to look up names if anyone would rather not spring for the $93. You may not get instant turn around, but I'll do my best as time permits. (e-mail rachase@aol.com) I have the Seaver document, too, but my trust level of anything by him is very low. (He totally screws up the Aquila issue). The book has no name index, so finding people in it is purely a needle in a haystack search proposition. Dick C.

I am using Outlook Express version 4.72 I guess...it came with Microsoft Internet 4.0. How in the world do I create a signature. My feather thingy meaning signature is grayed out. How do I make one? Anyone know? I don't want to use digital verisign.

Thanks Andrew. So, do I understand correctly, that a test would likely tell me nothing because I descend from William through my mother and grandmother? Dave White ---------- > From: Andrew Bond <Andrew.Bond@banyan.ummed.edu> > To: CHASE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CHASE-L] CHASE DNA > Date: Saturday, June 20, 1998 11:17 AM > > Hello Rex (and group), > > Some of what has been stated by other people is wrong. Somebody wrote that the odds of having > the same DNA as a cousin is slim, since the DNA gets mixed and divided every generation. That is true > if we are talking about any cousin, but it is not true if we are talking about male cousins linked by > a surname (I'm sure there are many on this list). Assuming no infidelity, two male CHASEs who > are descendents of William will have the same Y chromosome. The chromosomes from each parent > are put together and jumbled when eggs and sperm are made, this does not happen to the Y chromosome, > which means that every man has "exactly" the same Y chromosome as his father, his father's father > and so on. So if the Y chromosome never changes then you would think that every man in the world > would have the same one, since we are all related if you go back far enough. Actually, the Y > chromosome does change a tiny bit because of random mutations. So if the Y chromosome changes > enough, but not too much, then you should be able to correlate surnames with Y chromosome DNA. The > problem is that we (scientists) do not know how much it changes. > > Currently, the same group that showed that a man in Cheddar, England is a descendent of a 10000 year > old mummy found there, is also checking to see if Thomas Jefferson fathered any children through one of > his slaves. > > Keith's point about infidelity is important. Infidelity is the nightmare of most genealogists. That is > assuming that you are interested in exactly who your ancestors were. We all enjoy (are addicted too) > genealogy for a number of reasons (investigating, learning about personal histories and interesting > characters, etc.), but one thing I hope we have in common is to find out as much truth as we can. > Eventually DNA will allow us to find the mistakes and infidelities in our genealogies. Personally, I love to > find tidbits of scandal in my family, it makes the investigating that much more interesting. >

By the way, Higginsbooks gives a discount for group orders of 5 or more...probably not worth the hassel on the smaller books but if 5 people were going to order 7 generations at $93...

Here's what I found at higginsonbooks.com Chase Family records by J. Montgomery SEarver, 84 p. $17 A gen. memoir of the Chase family of Chesham, Bucks., in Eng., & of Hampton & Newbury in New Eng.,with notices of some of their desc. (Repr. Heraldic Journal) by G.B. Chase 19 p. 1869 $5.00 Gen. of the anc. & desc. of Joseph Chase who died in Swanzey, his will proved March, 1725 86 p. 1874 $17.00 Records of the desc. of Rev Nathaniel chase of Buckfield, Maine with a brief account of his and, also records of some of the desc. of Edmund Chase of Minot, Maine by W.B. Lampham 18 p. 1878 $5.00 Gen. of the portion of the desc. of Wm. Chase, who came to America in 1630 and died in Yarmouth, Mass 1659. 31 p. 1886 $6.00 Reminiscenses of the family of Moody Chase of Shirley, Mass., also a brief account of his anc., by W.M. Chase, 32 p. 1888 $6.00 Gen. of Champion Spalding Chase & Mary Sophronia Butteriffeld, his wife, to which brief personal sketches are added by C.S, Chase 19 p. 1894 $5.00 7 Generations of descendents of Aquila & Thomas...$93.50 Extr. from Hist of Sanbornton, N.H. 11 p. $4.50 Hope this helps some..

Are all of the CHASE messages archived someplace? If so, could you please point me to the url? Thanks much, Brenda Page Hare

Re: Lisa's posting about the Aquila mentioned in the "Tales of Old Chesham" -- If this is the Aquila, son of Richard, b. 1580, then he was indeed a Chesham Chase, a fact which never has been in dispute. It's the Hampton NH Aquila b. 1618, and his brother Thomas, whose genesis is a mystery. (By the way Lisa, if yopu do ever come back across that book, I would be interested in its publication details so that I might run down a copy.) The name Aquila is (New Testament) Biblical, being first mentioned by Luke in Acts 18:2 in reference to a Jew who, if I remember right, had had to flee Rome. Paul also refers to an Aquila in several of his letters. Dick C.

Quite right,Rick, Maugerville, one of he places there were quite a few CHASE land Grants was founded by Virginia Planter's around 175o. I have the story idf anyone wants it. Keith At 13:04 20/06/98 EDT, you wrote: >In response to Loyalist or Tories, not all the Cape men who went to NB were >going because they were driven out. According to some of the Cape Cod >histories, many Cape men went to NB because it was closer to the fishing >grounds. By the 1750's the land on the Cape was starting to show signs of >exhaustion, thus many turn to farming and fishing. Nothing is as cut and dry >as I have seen the conversation become on Loyalist. > >If the Chases were so content most of the population would be still located >on the Cape. > >Rick Arruda > > >

Lisa, I have the derivation of Aquila if anyone is interested. Keith At 07:41 20/06/98 EDT, you wrote: >Dear Chase's, > >I am not an Aquila descendant, I am a William descendant. However, when I >first began my genealogy quest, I naively copied the family histories of those >on the web who had Aquila as William's father! So, for a while, I did pursue >Aquila. > >Anyway, this led me to get a copy of George Piggin's writings regarding the >Chase name in Chesham, in "Tales of Old Chesham." If it were a life or death >situation, I could probably find the copy amongst the stacks of papers on my >desk. > >However, I do recall that Mr. Piggin, who was the caretaker of St. Mary's >Church in Chesham, stated that the baptismal record of Aquila was on view at >the church, and that hundreds of people came there every year to photograph >it, as well as make futile attempts to actually purchase it. > >If Aquila was not a Chesham Chase - who's baptism is in the St. Mary's >register? >Also, while I am rambling, did anyone else immediately think "Spanish" when >they first heard Aquila's name? I have heard people say it is a rare name for >an Englishman, and I have also heard that it is a common name, for the same. > >I, myself, have never encountered the name in my British research, and have to >wonder if it is not some sort of family name, who's tradition and origin is >unknown to us. > >Feel free to comment on my thoughts. >Regards, >Lisa Zajkowski > >PS - As a humorous sidebar, Aquila in Spanish very roughly translates to >"Here." Could poor Aquila's mother, after days of long, hard labor have >finally cried out "It's here!" It's here!" God knows, anyone who has ever >been in a long labor can appreciate that one! > > > Keith Hume, email khume@netcomuk.co.uk CHASE-L Website at:- http://www.surnameweb.org/centers/c/chase/index.html http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~khume/home.html Kent,England Researching:- HULME,DAWSON,(In Lancs.) HUME,McKAY, (In New Brunswick & Nova Scotia SHERMAN,SIMMONS,HATHAWAY AND CHASE,(In USA & Canada) SHERRING & BLUNDEN (Hampshire,England) FALL,(Ireland & Australia) BUTCHER,PAYNE/PAINE,BURCKITT(Bedfordshire,England)

Hi all, Ginger was kind enough to fill me in on the Noble book as per my personal request...Thank you Ginger! Here is the information via Ginger (hope you don't mind Ginger), and what I have found out since: "The Chase Family" by Arthur H. Noble Heraldry Today 10 Beauchamp Place London, S.W. 3, 1967 Printed by Headley Brothers Ltd. Being the "Web Surfer" I am (I am a biochemist and do a lot of research via the web) I found the Heraldry Today web page and how to order: http://www.heraldrytoday.co.uk the book is 20 "pounds" (sorry, I don't know how to type the symbol for the monetary value). How much is that in US dollars? I am not sure it is stock, but I have requested information from them, and will know soon. I would appreciate replies to this CHASE Group with the subject Chase Books, where we would make available the books we have found on the Chase line, with publisher info, and publishing dates. I am very new to all of this, and just received the "Seven Generations..." book (by the way, it is back in print, go to http://www.midcoast.com/~picton to order) and am learning as much as I can as fast as I can. I get married in September of this year, and would like to have a little Chase to give all of this to. So, let us ("newbies") know of your reference materials, and how to obtain them! Yours, Matthew Chase Tuba4@aol.com wrote: > Okay Ginger, give us the information on how to get Nobel's book...title, etc. -- Have a Nice Day! Matt and Lisa Chase mith@pacbell.net Lisa Ripp- Owner of Mouse In The House Desktop Publishing http://home.pacbell.net/mith/mith.htm Matt Chase http://home.pacbell.net/mith/chase.htm

Dear Matt, Thank you for gathering together those addresses. One may find EVERYTHING through this wonderful creation---if they know how to search. Thanks for sharing and tell her (the future bride) she's a lucky girl to get a nice Chase. Ginger in Az.

Dare I give you this address???? The Chase Family by Arthur H. Noble Heraldry Today 10 Beauchamp Place London SW3 1967 Printed by Headley Brothers Ltd. 109 Kingsway London WCz2 and Ashford Kent----Must be near Keith Ginger in Az.

Dear Lisa, and Chases, I am not going to bore any of you any more about the Aquila question, but like you, Lisa, I must admit, when I first ran across the unusual name I too wondered where it came from originally. Like you I have never run across that name anywhere else. That's one good reason for thinking somehow the Aquilas are all related. Especially enjoy your humor, Lisa. when one is digging around in the middle of all of these papers with who was born---who married whom----When did they die questions---it's refreshing to see a humorous comment mixed in. Keep it up. Keith has that ability too. I think in his case it's that Australian heritage. We went on a tour to Ireland one time with all Australians and the whole trip was a riot--we laughed and laughed until our sides ached. Our guide happened to be a former Priest. The start of the trip was on Easter Sunday and the first thing on the tour was to visit a Whiskey Factory in dublin at 11 in the morning (Easter). To say the least that got the group started off in a very festive direction. Well, after that visit the Priest switched gears and kept taking us from church to church in each town we visited. Finally on the last day--the Australians had had their fill of looking at the inside of churches so when the Priest proceeded to stop at a church---the Australians all put their feet across the aisles of the bus and told him "Enough is enough" "We'll nap right here and not go into another church---and look at old bones again". To say the least the Priest was baffled by it all . I don't think they question such things in Irland as they do in Australia and America. Ginger in Az.

I have John CHASE's parents as Nathanial CHASE and Abigail SHERMAN. Maxine

Hello Chasers There is a very good article from the Feb 1997 Mayflower Quarterly that links Tertullus Dickinson, who married Thankful Chase, to John Howland of the Mayflower. There was a previous article in Aug 1996 (that I have not read). There is some information about Thankful's father, Reuben, and their flight from NY in 1783 to NB. The article was written by Elizabeth Pearson White and Edwin Wagner Coles. If you are unable to obtain this article please contact me for further information. Barry Price

Barry, Sorry the list should not have got them. They were intended for the small Group of Chase Helpers I have. The file is a new page for listing CHASE persons with their own WWW sites and will be up on the site by tomorrow, Keith, At 21:29 19/06/98 -0700, you wrote: >> Hi,Deb, >> Yes nice work! >> I am sending a copy of your html which I have slightly modified to help >>centering >>I am attaching the chasedeb.gif as I noticed a mistake in the colour of the >>"E" and I have also altered the size to help centering. >> If you send to the HELPERS please add the ivy.gif >>Keith >> >>Attachment Converted: C:\FOWIN4\DOCUMENT\CHASED6A.HTM >> >>Attachment Converted: C:\FOWIN4\DOCUMENT\CHASEDEB.GIF Keith Hume, email khume@netcomuk.co.uk CHASE-L Website at:- http://www.surnameweb.org/centers/c/chase/index.html http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~khume/home.html Kent,England Researching:- HULME,DAWSON,(In Lancs.) HUME,McKAY, (In New Brunswick & Nova Scotia SHERMAN,SIMMONS,HATHAWAY AND CHASE,(In USA & Canada) SHERRING & BLUNDEN (Hampshire,England) FALL,(Ireland & Australia) BUTCHER,PAYNE/PAINE,BURCKITT(Bedfordshire,England)

I repeat that the next edition of the CHASE Dbase,(due up tomorrow), will show the "link" severed but a not added re this belief. I agree with Ginger Reeder some of you who are Aquila desc. should maybe cooperate on an article on the subjeet and send to NEGHS. I wold also include it on our site Keith Hume At 00:04 20/06/98 EDT, you wrote: >Re: the quotes from Noble's version of the "solution "to the Aquila mystery -- >before anyone gets too excited that this is indeed the answer, I would urge >them to examine the collection of "facts" carefully. What is woven here is a >clever tale that is partially based on well known factual records, and >partially based on assumption and wishful thinking. Absolutely nothing new in >the way of factual evidence is presented. By the way, the claimed "second >bur.............. > > > Keith Hume, email khume@netcomuk.co.uk CHASE-L Website at:- http://www.surnameweb.org/centers/c/chase/index.html http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~khume/home.html Kent,England Researching:- HULME,DAWSON,(In Lancs.) HUME,McKAY, (In New Brunswick & Nova Scotia SHERMAN,SIMMONS,HATHAWAY AND CHASE,(In USA & Canada) SHERRING & BLUNDEN (Hampshire,England) FALL,(Ireland & Australia) BUTCHER,PAYNE/PAINE,BURCKITT(Bedfordshire,England)

Hi all of you out there, I love this corresponding with all of you Torys. After being a member of the boring DARs here with their attitude I find this is really stimulating. It is interesting that so many of the Chase descendants in later years (excepting of course the WWs) did almost anything to get out of fighting---being Quakers, paying their way out of Civil War etc. It all boils down to the fact that they hated to fight in wars apparently. I am not even sure any of them became great generals. Now you certainly don't see that with the Sherman Clan---connected to the early Chases and William of Cape Cod. They were WAR ORIENTED. Ginger in Az.

Hello Rex (and group), Some of what has been stated by other people is wrong. Somebody wrote that the odds of having the same DNA as a cousin is slim, since the DNA gets mixed and divided every generation. That is true if we are talking about any cousin, but it is not true if we are talking about male cousins linked by a surname (I'm sure there are many on this list). Assuming no infidelity, two male CHASEs who are descendents of William will have the same Y chromosome. The chromosomes from each parent are put together and jumbled when eggs and sperm are made, this does not happen to the Y chromosome, which means that every man has "exactly" the same Y chromosome as his father, his father's father and so on. So if the Y chromosome never changes then you would think that every man in the world would have the same one, since we are all related if you go back far enough. Actually, the Y chromosome does change a tiny bit because of random mutations. So if the Y chromosome changes enough, but not too much, then you should be able to correlate surnames with Y chromosome DNA. The problem is that we (scientists) do not know how much it changes. Currently, the same group that showed that a man in Cheddar, England is a descendent of a 10000 year old mummy found there, is also checking to see if Thomas Jefferson fathered any children through one of his slaves. Keith's point about infidelity is important. Infidelity is the nightmare of most genealogists. That is assuming that you are interested in exactly who your ancestors were. We all enjoy (are addicted too) genealogy for a number of reasons (investigating, learning about personal histories and interesting characters, etc.), but one thing I hope we have in common is to find out as much truth as we can. Eventually DNA will allow us to find the mistakes and infidelities in our genealogies. Personally, I love to find tidbits of scandal in my family, it makes the investigating that much more interesting.

I am looking for inf. on the William Chase that married Celinda Holden. Celinda is the daughter of John Holden and Betsey Parmenter. Celinda was born in 1802 [probably in Cayuga County, NY]. I have no inf. on William Chase. He is listed in The Holden Genealogy as Celinda's husband. Celinda is my gggg-aunt. I do not know if there were any children from this union. Thank you. Namaste ... Kathleen Lee Mendel Without first mentioning what is known, one should not introduce the unknown, for that which has no solid basis can never be established anywhere.