Hi,Dave, Thanks for the info. I will check with the Bank tomorrow,(Wednesday) and get moving on this. $30 for a transfer. It is about the same here but we now have a postal one which is 7 pounds about $11, Keith Hume At 20:27 24/08/98 -0700, you wrote: >Hello Chase-folk: > >Just to keep you up to date, I wired the search funds to Keith Hume today. >The exchange rate should be about 1.6925 to the dollar when the wire goes >out in the morning. The fee was $30 !!! Bank of America said it is the >wire fee, regardless of the amount wired. I took $15 from the $200 and >tossed in the other $15 so something would still end up in Keith's account. > I am happy not to be routinely engaged in international finance. (Though, >if we do something like this again, I would probably serve.) > >Keith has the ten contributor's names and addresses. Thanks to all. And >here is hoping we get some new information. > >Dave White >List Owner for Chase-L Mailing List >E-mail: boda@ix.netcom.com >CHASE-L Website at:- http://www.surnameweb.org/centers/c/chase/index.html >To subscribe or unsubscribe from the Chase-L list, send a NEW >e-mail message to: CHASE-L-request@rootsweb.com >or CHASE-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) >with only one word in the body:    subscribe >                                         or:     unsubscribe > > >

I agree. And, with Rex as well. Submitting our own work may be the simplest approach. ---------- > From: Debbie Axtman <axtman@premier1.net> > To: CHASE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CHASE-L] Gendex and You Know Who > Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 11:12 AM > > I do not think Broderbund is evil - - I use their products and have > contributed my Spencer line to them- - My point was that I thought maybe > people would want to submit their own info. to Broderbund....I am in no way > against it. > > D >

I do not think Broderbund is evil - - I use their products and have contributed my Spencer line to them- - My point was that I thought maybe people would want to submit their own info. to Broderbund....I am in no way against it. D

G'morning, This is an interesting thread to say the least! Many different opinions. I can tell you that I also have numerous of the (Broderbund) products. I also have used the tools located on their web site as well. The NEGHS did contract Broderbund for manufacturing their cd package. A lot of libraries do use them, thanks to people who have donated them to the libraries. Atleast in the case here, that is how they have acquired them. I also know from experience with Broderbund that when you request a search and find that it indeed is your line or connected to it, that unless you OWN that cd, you are not able to electronically request the submitters information any longer. You must call their office, and if you get someone who knows what they are doing, you will receive the information so that you can contact the submitter. Not at all, always an easy task. I can also tell you that on their ftm-tech list your not allowed to ask questions about information on cd's nor are you allowed to ask help in obtaining submitters data. As far as submitting data to them. That is a choice we have as individuals. I personally feel that any submitter of data regardless of what the data is, should receive some sort of discount on a purchase of one of their research tools. After all they are taking your information and making money on it by publishing and selling their cd's. Information which you / we all worked hard to acquire by spending countless hours digging and looking, not to mention the money each individual has invested as well in their research. You, as a researcher, should equally be compensated just as Broderbund is when they sell your data along with others. It all adds up down the road. Again, how can anyone hold a copyright on a public document? I also know from having several of their cd's that there are restrictions listed on each cd. Example from one cd I have is listed here. They state as follows: Use this Family Archive CD responsibly. This Family Archive CD has been licensed to you for your personal use. It is copyrighted, and must be used in accordance with its License Agreement. You are in violation of the License Agreement if you make all or part of a Family Archive available to more than one person at a time, if you upload all or part of a Family Archive's contents onto an electronic bulletin board, or if you circulate a printout taken straight off the Family Archive. For more specific information about your license to use this Family Archive, please read the License Agreement below. License Agreement You may not: 1. Allow more than one user at a time. 2. Reproduce, publish, distribute, or sell any data on the Family Archive CDs. 3. Use the software and/or data on a network or bulletin board or place it in a multi-user environment without express written permission of Brøderbund Software. 4. Lease or rent the software, data, documentation or their use to any other individual or entity. 5. Disassemble, decompile or reverse engineer the software or data. But the above is just my opinion, Addie

I, like David, must wonder just what the ill-will toward Broderbund is really all about. I use their products, including the voluminous data that they make available (for a price, admittedly, but after all, they are in business for reasons other than to give you free stuff). Their copyright is, as David points out, neither unreasonable nor unique. My suggestion to close this issue is that each individual do whatever he or she wants with respect to giving or not giving Broderbund the data that he or she independently developed, and leave both the Chase rootsweb data base and the other contributing individuals be.

Keith and all, I don't want to start a war. This is not the list for arguments over commercial genealogical services. And, I know some folk hold a strong dislike for Broderbund, though I have no idea why. This is what the FTM contributer agreement says: "By contributing your family tree to the World Family Tree Project, you give Broderbund Software, Incorporated, your permission to reproduce, compile, and distribute all information in your contributed Family File. The World Family Tree CDs are copyrighted; however, our copyright does not limit you from publishing your own family information as you see fit, nor from selling it or giving it to others." Now, from my research, I note that most bound and published genealogical research reports seem to be copywrighted. So, I don't find Broderbund's provision surprising. I love their online search functions and library. I have had many contacts thanks to those who use FTM's site. FTM must not be entirely evil. Our state library and genealogical society members make wide use of the FTM disks. NEHGS sells them. The online library at FTM has the full text of the Chamberlain report on Chases. I have found some wonderful stuff there on Chase, Mason, Craycraft, Sherman and others of my lines. Gendex appears to me to be another company just trying to make a profit. I have no complaints about them either. We give them our data for free, too. However, they sell our data, too, just as if it were copywrighted. I am not sure I understand theircharging method, but they seem fine, as long as they continue their on-line service. Broderbund offers one tiny advantage. After they sell their CDs the information is still out there, even if they cease to be on-line. Someday, like other companies have, they could even sell their/our data to Broderbund! I remain comfortable with either or both firms. I am also comfortable with several others. Sharing information is the thing that keeps genealogy alive. I would still go for wide spread distribution to reach all the Chases who ever come along. But, I also support going with Gendex. Dave White List Owner for Chase-L Mailing List E-mail: boda@ix.netcom.com CHASE-L Website at:- http://www.surnameweb.org/centers/c/chase/index.html To subscribe or unsubscribe from the Chase-L list, send a NEW e-mail message to: CHASE-L-request@rootsweb.com or CHASE-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with only one word in the body:    subscribe                                          or:     unsubscribe

Hello Chase-folk: Just to keep you up to date, I wired the search funds to Keith Hume today. The exchange rate should be about 1.6925 to the dollar when the wire goes out in the morning. The fee was $30 !!! Bank of America said it is the wire fee, regardless of the amount wired. I took $15 from the $200 and tossed in the other $15 so something would still end up in Keith's account. I am happy not to be routinely engaged in international finance. (Though, if we do something like this again, I would probably serve.) Keith has the ten contributor's names and addresses. Thanks to all. And here is hoping we get some new information. Dave White List Owner for Chase-L Mailing List E-mail: boda@ix.netcom.com CHASE-L Website at:- http://www.surnameweb.org/centers/c/chase/index.html To subscribe or unsubscribe from the Chase-L list, send a NEW e-mail message to: CHASE-L-request@rootsweb.com or CHASE-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with only one word in the body:    subscribe                                          or:     unsubscribe

Hi, I am looking for Job Chase and his wife, Rachel..who lived in Lichfield, CT but they come from Mass. Job CHASE was born abt 1775 /1780 in Mass and his wife, Rachel was born 27 Feb 1788 in CT. one of their son named John W CHASE was born 24 Oct 1820 in Mass and died 5 Jan 1880 in Painseville, Lake, Ohio. He was married to Emeline WATERS and had 8 children. I am curious to know if you have some information about them.. If yes, I really appreciate for your help.. Janelle Deelstra jd@xmission.com SBBvt@aol.com wrote: > Gail Bruch: > > This line of Samuel Chase and Sarah Vose descends from William Chase, the > 1600s immigrant. There is a genealogy of this family titled "Some Descendants > of William Chase, of Roxbury and Yarmouth Mass" compiled by George Walter > Chamberlain and published across several issues of the 1933-1934 New England > Historic and Genealogical Society (NEHGS) Register. The currently reprint the > article in paperpack form. > > The article doesn't have the two most recent generations but here is a > synopsis of what it does have. > > Gen 7: John Chase m. Sarh M. Jones, John was the 4th of the 7 children of > > Gen 6: John of Dartmouth MA b. 6 Sept 1779; m. at Dartmouth, 20 Sept 1798 > Hannah Rider, b. at Dartmouth 14 Nov 1782 probably dau. of William and Martha > Cummings Rider. John was the 4th of the 8 children of > > Gen 5: David Chase of Dartmouth born at Swansea MA 7 APR 1744 died 2 AUG 1826. > He married Susanna Cornell. David was the 5th child of the 5 children of > Samuel Chase and Sarah Vose (Samuel had 3 ch. in a previous marriage to Mary > Bourne. > > Gen 4: Samuel Chase of Swansea b. at Swansea deld 27 Feb 1781. He m. 1st 13 > Setp 1716 Mary (Bourne) Vose who died about 1728, daughter Jared and Elizabeth > Bourne and widoe of Nicolas Vose; and secondly at Swansea 31 Dec 1730 Sarah > Vose. Samuel was the 3rd child of 9 of Jacob Chase and Mary Hall > > Gen 3: Jacob Chase if Yarmouth and Swansea, born at Yarmouth about 1647 died > at Swansea between 11 Jan 1733/34 and 16 Apr 1734. Jacob was the son of > William Chase and --- ---; > > Gen 2 William Chase of Yarmouth b. in England as early as 627 died at Yarmouth > 27 Feb 1684/5 He m. 1st about 1644 --- --- and secondly --- ---. It has been > said he had 4 ch. by each marriage. Jacob was the 2nd child. The 2nd wife is > said to be Elizabeth Holder. Rev. John Eliot in his records at the Roxbury > church stated that William came with his parents in 1630 and was ä child of > ill qualitys & a sore affliction to his parents". William was 1st of the 3 > children of William and Mary (---) Chase. > > Gen 1. William Chase of Roxbury and Yarmouth MA, carpenter came with his > family to Roxbury in 1630. He married in England before 1627 Mary ---.He died > at Yarmouth between 4 May 1659 and 13 May 1659. His widow married died there > on or before 6 Oct 1659. > > Steve Barrett

Hi fellow Chase researchers, I am working on my wife's family tree and would like to share my own stonewall. Maybe someone on the list has a big enough hammer. I have her traced through to these three final individuals: 1) Reverend Lewis Chase (b. 7 Jan 1814 in Hoosick, NY; d. 28 Feb 1896 in Oswego Co., NY) married Abt 1840 to Almira Hoffstetter (b. 1816 in Mohawk Valley, NY; d. 19 Aug 1881 in Oswego Co., NY). Lewis' father was: 2) Tallman Chase, who died Abt 1826. Was a soldier in both the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812. Marriage unknown. Tallman's father was: 3) Jonathan Chase (b. Abt 1721, d. Abt 1812), miller of flour. I see the Tallman Chase, son of John Chase in the Chase database. Does anyone know if these are the same individuals (Jonathan being John)? Tallman does not seem to be a very common name, and it would make sense since John's mother's last name was Tallman. Glenn

ALL, The Server is now operating OK and we are once again "On-Line" Keith Hume Keith Hume, email khume@netcomuk.co.uk CHASE-L Website at:- http://www.surnameweb.org/centers/c/chase/index.html http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~khume/home.html Kent,England Researching:- HULME,DAWSON,(In Lancs.) HUME,McKAY, (In New Brunswick & Nova Scotia SHERMAN,SIMMONS,HATHAWAY AND CHASE,(In USA & Canada) SHERRING & BLUNDEN (Hampshire,England) FALL,(Ireland & Australia) BUTCHER,PAYNE/PAINE,BURCKITT(Bedfordshire,England)

All, I think it is now safe to assume we will NOT be sending the CHASE family tree to Broderbund. However unless I hear objections to the contrary, I would like to submit it to GENDEX. Keith Hume At 16:15 23/08/98 -0700, you wrote: >At 07:03 PM 8/21/98 -0400, sheila peel wrote: >>Group, I believe that Gendex would be a good idea. I have family tree maker >>for my genealogy software and they keep asking me to send it to them >>Everytime I reach a new 100 individuals. I will not send this information >>onto them if anyone feels that I should not. Let me know. >> >>Sheila >>sapeel@sprynet.com >> >I use the same program and get the same thing. It is frustrating I feel. Because of the situation with the copyrights law and the "TIGHT" hold Broderbund holds on it, I have chosen not to submit any of my data to them. This research is something I have worked long and hard for and do not want to take a chance of them saying I can not do anything with it in the future if I can get it that far. <G> Plus I do not like the fact that you submit data to them for free, and yet you are not even allowed a discount on the purchase of that cd... Yes they have production fees' involved, but we as researchers do as well. That is just my opinion though. > >Addie > > >

It Was The Civil War - Union I have been working on several lines in several families and I really messed up. Sorry group. I'm older than most. Main access - http://www.tarleton.edu/~kjones/ you can go from there to search for it in Vermont Infantry http://www.tarleton.edu/~kjones/USo-w.html Photo of Chase is at the following but don't know it it will work as a direct access. Still learning to get around on the web. http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi- bin/query/r?ammem/cwar:@field(NUMBER+@band(cwp+4a40885)) P. Chase Marchbanks

Evidently something happened to the message I sent with the URL for a photo of the Chase ancestor. Now I can't even find the original site. Been having a few computer problens. "Blame it on US West !!) I APOLOGIZE . Hang in there and I will try to find it again. It was on a Rev. War page and should be in my "Favorites list." Am probably going to get a lot of mail about this. A giant " OOOOPS' to all of you. Purr Chase Marchbanks

My opinion Gendex is fine, forget Broderbund - besides, do we know they wouldn't just take if off of Gendex or some other source anyway. P. C. Marchbanks

Access this site for a picture of Charles W. Chase, Company C, 7th Vermont Infantry P. C. Marchbanks purrspaws@aol.com

At 07:03 PM 8/21/98 -0400, sheila peel wrote: >Group, I believe that Gendex would be a good idea. I have family tree maker >for my genealogy software and they keep asking me to send it to them >Everytime I reach a new 100 individuals. I will not send this information >onto them if anyone feels that I should not. Let me know. > >Sheila >sapeel@sprynet.com > I use the same program and get the same thing. It is frustrating I feel. Because of the situation with the copyrights law and the "TIGHT" hold Broderbund holds on it, I have chosen not to submit any of my data to them. This research is something I have worked long and hard for and do not want to take a chance of them saying I can not do anything with it in the future if I can get it that far. <G> Plus I do not like the fact that you submit data to them for free, and yet you are not even allowed a discount on the purchase of that cd... Yes they have production fees' involved, but we as researchers do as well. That is just my opinion though. Addie

ALL, The Server for the Chase site is still down. David Partridge,of Surnameweb has just got back off holiday and tells me that his contact with the server is an "8 am to 5pm" number. He says he will not have any news until midday EST today(Sunday). For all who may be concerned. I use the same Server as Surnameweb as this way the Surnameweb boys set up the scripts and directories required and als provide excellent back-up. I understand that the Server organisation was sold some 2/3 months ago but the new owners would maintain the "Status quo" and cooperate with Surnameweb. Should we ever be forcrd to move then it would be a matter of finding a Server that supports scripts. ( I know of one or two and I beleive Geocities may even do so). Therefore there is no cause for alarm, Keith Hume Keith Hume, email khume@netcomuk.co.uk CHASE-L Website at:- http://www.surnameweb.org/centers/c/chase/index.html http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~khume/home.html Kent,England Researching:- HULME,DAWSON,(In Lancs.) HUME,McKAY, (In New Brunswick & Nova Scotia SHERMAN,SIMMONS,HATHAWAY AND CHASE,(In USA & Canada) SHERRING & BLUNDEN (Hampshire,England) FALL,(Ireland & Australia) BUTCHER,PAYNE/PAINE,BURCKITT(Bedfordshire,England)

I also agree that the database should be open to all who want to access it from the Chase site. D

Here are my two-bits in answer to Keith's poll of the group. I would "vote" yes on number one: 1. Should the database be available to anyone who visited the site and freely "Downloadable". Sharing is the very root and stem of family research. I don't care about copywrights because, as so many have noted, it has little meaning in basic research. Dave White List Owner for Chase-L Mailing List E-mail: boda@ix.netcom.com CHASE-L Website at:- http://www.surnameweb.org/centers/c/chase/index.html To subscribe or unsubscribe from the Chase-L list, send a NEW e-mail message to: CHASE-L-request@rootsweb.com or CHASE-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with only one word in the body:    subscribe                                          or:     unsubscribe ---------- > From: k.hume <khume@netcomuk.co.uk> > To: CHASE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CHASE-L] CHASE Database. IMPORTANT > Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 3:48 PM > > ALL, > Further to the recent discussion re sending/linking the Chase database with > Broderbund and/or Gendex, I would like your views on the concept of making > the Database available on-line or in some other way or to continue as we are > now.

Hi,Maxine, I cannot connect either. I have emailed the Adminisrators, Keith Hume At 07:48 22/08/98 EDT, you wrote: >Hi Group, > >Does anybody know what happened to the CHASE Family Resource Center at >http://www.surnameweb.org/centers/c/chase/index.html > >I've been unable to connect to the site. Maybe the site is down. Has anybody >been able to contact them in the last couple of days??. Maxine > > >