In a message dated 99-05-12 13:59:51 EDT, mamakitty@ewa.net writes: << In both cases the parents of Stephen O'Kelley > are listed as Joseph and Tabitha(Baker)O'Kelley. >> This Joseph O'Kelley was the son of Jeremiah O'Kelley and Sarah CHASE. Sarah was the daughter of John Chase and Elizabeth Baker. Interesting connection,don't you think?

In a message dated 99-05-12 13:59:51 EDT, mamakitty@ewa.net writes: <<I am very interested in your line. I go through > William>William>John>Isaac>Isaac>Reuben>Reliance and Thankful. >> Barry, I don't have your e-mail so I'm sending to the list. I'd like to get some information on your Reuben who I have born Nov 24, 1738 as a twin and being a Tory in the Revolutionary War. Who was his wife and what were the names of their eight children? Thanks! (I guess one child was Reliance!)

Okay, before I get e-mail, I know that there is no proof or documentation of the relationship between these people. I know that the debate has gone on for a long time and at least back to 1936 writings. Now, I'll ask my question: In the Genealogy of Rev. Ezra Chase compiled by William Applebie Daniel Eardsley, M.A. with additions by Florence Adams Chase (IL) and Angus Ferris chase (NY) 1936, News Press this statement is made: "Thomas Chase was seargeant-at-arms to King Henry the VIII and died in 1544, three years before his royal master. His son Richard Chase, was born in Chesham, England, in 1542, and Aquilla, son of Richard, was born at the same place in 1580. The family moved to Conway, England, and here our first American ancestor was born. He had three brothers: Richard, Aquilla, and Thomas. Aquilla and Thomas accompanied William to America, but Richard, the eldest of the family, remained in England as aide-de-camp to the Duke of Wellington." My question: Has anyone pursued or have any documentation about this Thomas who was a seargent-at-arms or this Richard who was an aide-de-camp? It seems that holding these positions would put them at least in a spot to be mentioned or documented somewhere. Perhaps, they are two that could be researched to shed light on whether or not the other relationships truly exist?

The url to which I referred you awhile ago belongs to Harry Hadaway. He has been very kind about sending information to me on other lines that we share. When I told him some of his Chase information was inaccurate, he emailed me back and said Can you refer me to a web site with the correct Chase information? I made the changes in my FTM GEDCOM file Aquila Chase based on your forwarded email. Unfortunately, I know of no such place. Is there one? If so, where is it to be found? Also I wasn't able, myself, to be very clear about the changes he needed to make. So I forwarded some of the information emailed to me from the Chase list. If you want to send Harry information directly, his email address is hhadaway <hhadaway@mail.tds.net> Thank you for your help in advance. Leslie Quist

Re: the request for a web site that has the "correct" information about the Aquila of Newbury, MBC, correct, like beauty, of course, is in the eye of the beholder. With that caveat, I would offer http://members.aol.com/rachase/WebSite/chase.wbg as a site that presents as objectively as possible the factual information that is presently available about "our" Aquila and the alleged links that he may or may not have back to specific possible (and some impossible) ancestors in England. A few have contacted me to question the information there, but none (so far at least) have been willing or able when requested to provide any competent, verifiable, factual documentation to support their version, which has been no more than one of the several unprovable theories or speculations that abound about the birth date, birth place and parentage of Aquila and Thomas (and sometime William). The fact remains that there is (so far) absolutely no factual data available in England or America that provides the information required for us to know with reasonable certainty just from where Aquila and Thomas came when they arrived in Hampton, MBC in or about 1638.

I have an Olive CHASE MESSENGER (Samuel MESSENGER of Holliston, MA) that had a daughter, Catherine. She married a "SMITH", but as one would imagine, tracing this line (any Smith!) is like the old needle in the haystack! Would it be possible that the "SMITH", is any link to your Laura Chase Smith? This has been my biggest Brick Wall in this line, I am SO anxious to get this mystery solved! (As you can see, I'm grasping at straws everywhere, LOL) If anyone has even the tiniest clue, I'd really appreciate hearing it. We come down through Josiah Chase. Just a note: I have copies (typed) of handwritten tidbits of my heritage through Louisa Kimball Comins, which makes mention of the "picking peas" on the Sabbath no-no as well! I was SO surprised to see this mentioned through this list! Annie upstate NY

Re the Aquila land grant, it actually was from the town of Newbury (now Newburyport), rather than the Colony (which would have been the Mass. Bay Colony). John Carroll Chase quotes a description of the grant from the Newbury town records of 1646, but gives no explicit citation. The location of the house lot is apparently contained in a record made when Aquila sold the land several years later. (It was on the Merrimac River water front at the corner of what is now Federal St. and Water St. in Newburyport.) Again, there is no cited reference for that information, but given John Carroll Chase's deserved reputation as an absolute stickler for accuracy, I believe that it can be safely assumed that he obtained the information from a reliable record.

Thanks Ginger, for your inspiration to really start on this research! I have the book Genealogies of Rhode Island Families from the NE Historical & Genealogical Register, and have been really studying it the past few days - in between work and other obligations! This much I knew when I started: My grandmother was Win(n)ifred Bertha Chace who married William Albert Norman in 1911. I believe she was born about 1887 and died of "milk leg" (now known as phlebitis) in 1937. Her mother was Lucinda Wheaton Slade and she died in 1945 about the age of 78-80. Lucinda married George Albert Chace. All her life, she was a Quaker. It is my understanding that she came from the Rehobeth/Swansea area. Doing research I find that there were many Chases/Chaces who married Wheatons and Slades. It is my gut feeling that George Albert Chace came from that area, also. So, using my book, I think that he was descended from William Sr, William Jr, and one of William's 7 sons - of whom at least 4 were members of the Society of Friends in Swansea. Now I have to do a lot more sleuthing! But, again, thanks to you, I have started! Judy in California (Judith Chace Norman Needham)

I came across the following while doing some research from links that came up for me at Alta Vista when I inquired "Moses Chase and Dartmouth College." No doubt one can do exactly the same in order to review the whole Epaphras Chase document. It contains http://www.library.hbs.edu/sfa/chaseephaphras.htm as the access, but that didn't work for me when I tried it. This is the Harvard Business School site, Baker Library Historical Collections, and the papers of Epaphras Bull Chase were a gift from Florence Chase, 1929. The collection includes five volumes. Limited genealogical info: Epaphras Bull Chase, son of Moses and Deborah Bull Chase, born 1800 Bradford, VT; oldest of nine children; married Louisa Baldwin 1820s, seven children of this marriage: Henry, Charles, Charlotte, Emily, Adaline, Mary, Martha who attended Miss Aiken's Seminary Stamford, CT; Henry went to Yale and Harvard Law, worked as an attorney in VT, later in IL, returned to VT to run Lyndon Academy with his sister (Martha?), nothing about son Charles or other daughters. Epaphras died September 10, 1867 Lyndon, VT. Hoping this helps someone, Sandy Chase

Hello, cousins, and thank you, JLynn, for your very informative summation to Leslie Quist regarding the on and off Aquila misinformation. It was nice to learn also that you are related to Lonnie Chase who has been a generous and helpful correspondent of mine. JLynn, can you tell me if there is an existing land grant document, reference your comment "[Aquila] was actually granted land for service by the colony in which he settled"? I sure would like to see that. Also, your allusion to the Sabbath "pease-picking" incident reminds me that I've got a copy of a July 18, 1897 New Orleans Time-Democrat posthumous article about Bishop Philander Chase written by a Laura Chase Smith which came down to me from among the papers of my g-g grandmother, Anne Eliza Blackwell Chase. According to the article, Philander Chase was the first Protestant clergyman of New Orleans, first Bishop of Illinois, and founder of Kenyon and Jubilee Colleges. It is gruesomely hard to read, but a delightful (LONG) article written in typically-embellished 19th century style which contains Philander's ancestry (parents Dudley Chase/Albea ? - can't read it - Corbet) and progeny, chronology of his career, and also a discussion of this "pea-picking" adventure of Aquila's and the circumstances which lead up to that Sabbath infraction. In 1897 it was "peas;" is "pease" the same thing? An aberration devolved from colonial English? I sure don't know! As to Philander, he seems to have been such an illustrious fellow and I've never seen any inquiries about him. That's surprising. Among Jlynn's comments was a reference to the Chase stone, so I am posting the following info to the List again for new members who might be interested in seeing a facsimile of it. My uncle acquired a photocopy of a photograph of it from the NEHGS in 1971. At that time the tablet itself was no longer mounted but in storage at the Society, and Lonnie Chase learned that a 20th century Chase descendant who was associated with the Society came into personal possession of it and Lonnie was told that nobody there knows where it is! THAT's hard to figure, but maybe Lonnie knows more by now. He may have inquired further. Also, Listmember Gladys Chase was kind enough to write me in 3/98 the following: "In 'The Seven Generations of the descendants of Aquila and Thomas Chase' between pages 28 & 29 they have a picture of the tablet with the following caption: tablet of caen stone, thirty-two inches in height in the entrance corridor of the New England Historic Genealogical Society's Building, 9 Ashburton Place, Boston, Mass." (I myself have never seen this "bible" for all Chasers, and one of these days I am going to get my hands on one.) I have that old photocopy of my uncle's (John Churchill Chase), and while it certainly is not up to today's standards of duplication, it is clearly legible and I offer a copy to any interested cousin. Just send me your snail mail address. Sandy Chase (Aquila, Thomas, Thomas, Josiah, Josiah, Josiah, Edward, Edward Wilson, Joseph Carter, Francis Neelis) P.S. to Lonnie Chase - huge and joyful breakthrough as listed above - made it about 2 months ago.

I hope you will forgive me if I ask for clarification on this email. I have a number of questions about the dates you gave for the various people named. (1) I have the 1688 date for William who married Dorcas Baker, but I have also * Jul 1668. Which is correct? (2) I noticed that you gave 15 Nov 1696 as the birthdate for Dorcas Baker and the same for Mary Chase. Could you check this one and give the correct date for whichever? (3) If Dorcas Baker was born in 1696, as given, it would be a physical impossiblity for her to have a son born on 16 Oct 1774, especially if he married someone born in 1696 and 1733. Could you clear this one up? I have his birthday as somewhere in 1729. I don't have a birthday for the Mary Chase you mentioned, but I have that they were married 12 Feb 1756 or 1757 at Sandwich, Barnstable, MA. Thank you for the info on Mercy, by the way, I didn't have that at all. Thanks also for their children and the dates for them. Do you have a death date for Mary and a marriage date for Mercy? Thank you for a very informative letter. It was fascinating to read and to check against my information. Sorry if I sounded confused before. Sometimes it is difficult to keep the various William Chases separate. Leslie Quist Dave & Luanne Davies wrote: > Hi mamakitty, I have been watching with interest your mail concerning > William Chase....and I note a certain uncertainty as to which generation > of of William was married to and the son of who. I am a descendant of > St Lucia William Chase born in England in 1790, and in searching have > found very good lines of the other William Chase lines that exist. > For instance Williams Chase b 4 Jan 1607 mar. Mary Townley b 5 Mar 1603 > had a son William Chase Jnr b 15 Jun 1621 mar. Elizabeth Holder b 1624 > had a son John Chase b 16 April 1649 mar. Elizabeth Baker b 1648 had a > son William Chase b 8 July 1688 mar. his cousin Dorcas Baker b 15 Nov > 1696 had a son William Chase b 16 Oct 1774 mar. his cousin Mary Chase b > 15 Nov 1696 and her older sister Mercy Chase b 11 Feb 1733, now this > William had no issue by Mary but had 9 children by Mercy, they were Job > Chase b 1753, Sylvanus Chase b 1755, John Chase b 1757, Elizabeth Chase > b 16 Dec 1759, William Chase b 1761, who appears to have died as a baby, > William Chase Jnr b 1764, Rebecca Chase b 1767, Deborah Chase b 1769, > and Archelies Chase b 3 Mar 1771. Now if that ain't enough William > Chase's to think about, then tell me more. I live in New Zealand and > our generation of Chases stem from James Alvin and John Frances Chase > who were Ship owners working with their uncle Job Chase b 1736, shipping > magnate 1800 to 1840. Our generations here in New Zealand have a very > good understanding of geneology as most of us are Latter Day Saints and > you and other Chase descendants can access the same information by > visiting and using the website www.familysearch.org....I'll copy this to > CHASE-L@rootsweb as well, I too am a subscriber and I'll be interested > to see results forthcoming. > > bye......Dave Davies....another Chase on line...

Do any of the following CHASEs sound familiar to you? 1 Charles Chase b. 1832 d. unknown m. 2 Pauranice (Wheeler) Chase b. 9 apr 1832 d. nov 1900 Children - 3 David Foster Chase b. 18 mar 1851 d. 13 nov 1917 m. 4 Ellen Laune (Rummer) Chase b. 2 apr 1860 d. 28 oct 1950 5 Charles Chase b. 1853 d. unknown m. unknown 6 Jane S. Chase b. 1856 d. 8 mar ?? m. unk 7 Adam M. Chase b. 1860 d. unk m. unk 8 Ellen Maria Chase b. 1862 d. unkn m. unk 9 Mary Chase b. 1865 d. 25 jan ?? m. unk 10 Ida Elizabeth Chase b. 1867 d. unk m. 15 John Gabriel b. unk d. unk 11 Harry Edwin Chase b. 1870 d. 17 jul 1962 m. 16 Maria (???) Chase b. 1880 d. unk 12 Emma Lurania Chase b. 25 jan 1875 d. unk m. unk 13 Maible Launa Chase b. 2 apr 1877 d. unk m. unk Children of 3 David Foster Chase and 4 Ellen Laune (Rummer) Chase 17 Claude Alverman Chase b. 10 apr 1881 d. 14 dec 1962 m. 18 Clara (Allen) Chase b. abt 1891 d. unk 19 Milton Marselles Chase b. 8 sep 1883 d. 1963 m. unk 20 Charles Clarence Chase b. 18 apr 1886 d. 1950 m. unk 21 John Clifford Chase b. 18 may 1889 d. 16 mar 1959 m. unk 22 Emery Harrison Chase b. 14 jun 1893 d. unk m. 23 Ethel (???) Chase d. abt 1890 d. unk 24 Fern Melrose Chase b. 29 oct 1895 d. 29 may 1902 25 James Knox Polk Hall Chase b. 20 dec 1898 d. 8 oct 1987 m. 26 Florence (Billotte) Chase 27 Edwin Jones Chase b. 16 mar 1902 d. 27 oct 1994 m. unk Children of 17 Claude Alverman Chase b. 10 apr 1881 d. 14 dec 1962 m. 18 Clara (Allen) Chase 28 Merlyn Ross Chase b. 28 jan 1910 d. 3 apr 1973 m. 29 Geneva Alice (Billotte) Chase b. 5 may 1916 d. 2 apr 1966 2nd marriage to 38 Lila (???) Chase b. unk d. unk 30 Eva Marie Chase b. 1908 d. 1970 m. unk Children of 22 Emery Harrison Chase b. 14 jun 1893 d. unk m. 23 Ethel (???) Chase d. abt 1890 d. unk 31 Cecile M. Chase b. 1912 d. unk m. unk 32 David F. Chase b. 1914 d. unk m. unk 33 Ellen J. Chase b. 1917 d. unk m. unk Children of 10 Ida Elizabeth Chase b. 1867 d. unk m. 15 John Gabriel b. unk d. unk 34 Fern Elizabeth Gabriel b. 1889 d. 1942 m. unk 35 George Lesley Gabriel b. 12 mar 1891 d. unk m. unk 36 Cecil McClellond Gabriel d. 4 apr 1894 d. unk m. unk 37 Lillian Lenore Gabriel b. 1899 d. unk m. unk

I am researching two Chase lines and have hit a brick wall on both. (1) I am looking for the family of Henry V. Chase. Henry Chase was born Abt. 1831 in New York. He married Ella Brewer, born Abt. 1841 in New York. They were living in Tawas, Michigan in 1870. Henry and Ella had at least 4 children: Eova Chase (female) b. Abt. 1862 in Michigan Charles Chase b. Abt. 1865 in Michigan (Charles was in Grand Rapids when his brother died in 1945) William Chase b. Abt. 1867 in Michigan Guy H. Chase b. March 9, 1871 in East Tawas, Michigan d. April 15, 1945, Traverse City, Michigan. Married Valona Noble 1893 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. The family moved to Big Rapids, Michigan, around 1882. (2) I am looking for the family of Sarah Lavinia Chase. She was born July 31, 1863 in Wisconsin and died in 1931. She married Dean Crain April 16, 1888 in Long Lake, Michigan. Sarah had at least two brothers, James and Frank. Frank was living in Toledo, Ohio, and James was living in Garlena, Kansas, where their sister died in 1931. Any help at all on these two lines would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!! Jeanette _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com

According to what I just found on the LDS web site, Isabell and Martha Tripp were sisters and daughters of John Tripp and Mary Paine. Isabell married Samson Sherman and Martha married Samuel Sherman. Are these the Tripps which were being referred to? Judy Walgren

Thanks to JLynn112 and Ken Needham for their answers to my question. Leslie Quist JLynn112@aol.com wrote: > Leslie, > I am a relatively new researcher, but I do know that there is quite complete > evidence to suggest that our Aquila died in America. For one thing, there is > the copy of his will. Additionally, through the New England Historical > Society, there are various records of his life and the life of his > brother-in-law, David Wheeler. There is actually a paper showing Aquila, his > wife Ann, and David Wheeler being sanctioned for picking pease on the > Sabbath". A stone with his vital records date used to sit in their lobby. > There are several books on the subject and several researchers who have > literally spent their lives trying to locate Aquila's origin in England. The > best evidence to date shows his birth place as Chesham, but there are no > definitive records to tie him to William. I have noticed that from time to > time a new researcher stumbles onto the old erroneous information and the > chase starts all over again. Keep in mind that there are records to support > his presence in America in 1640. He was actually granted land for service by > the colony in which he settled. He is believed to be the first mariner to > cross a major waterway in New England. No Colony would have hired a boy for > this job and given him land for service. If you use the birth year of 1626, > the records of him in America would start when he was just 14. The best > information to date (which has been verified by our English cousins) is that > our Aquila was born in 1618 in Chesham, Buckingham, England. He died in > Newbury, Essex, Mass on 27Dec1670 and his will was filed and executed in > America. If you do not have copies of some of these records, I can dig them > out and send what I have. However, I think you might get better and more > complete documentation if you write to my cousin in Colorado. His name is > Lonnie Chase. His e-mail address is Chase1858@bwn.net. I think he might be > on vacation right now, but if you don't hear from him in a couple of weeks, > let me know and I will try to raise him. > Good luck, > JLynn112@aol.com

I have no idea, I suppose it is possible. I'm willing to believe 6 impossible things before breakfast! Genealogy, however, is different! You have to prove it. Leslie Quist Tuba4@aol.com wrote: > Interesting. Could Isobel and Martha Tripp be sisters?

Dear Judith, If you descend from the Pawtucket Chaces ---and you spelled it Chace_--then you probably descend from William Chase of Cape Cod for sure. You will have no trouble tracing back. Between the RI Genealogy Society and the New England Society---they can provide you with all of the connections. Ginger in Az.

I (and, I think, a fair number of others) would be most pleased to take you up on the offer that you made your response to Leslie to provide copies of records showing that the Newbury Aquila was born in Chesham England in 1618. To the best of my knowledge, after a whole lot of searching and corresponding with many others, the "fact" of Aquila's tie to the Chesham Chase line is based on no more than pure speculation that since the name Aquila is a reasonably unique one, therefore (!!) he must have come from there. If you have documented proof of his parentage and birth to the contrary, though, I will be very, very pleased to be finally proven wrong! I eagerly await your response. Dick Chase

-----Original Message----- From: Ken Needham [SMTP:kejcndhm@inreach.com] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 1999 10:32 PM To: 'Leslie Quist' Subject: RE: [CHASE-L] Chase Information Leslie- I'm not sure what you are looking for, but as a descendant of many Rhode Island families, I have purchased this book and have it in my library. There are 2 sections on the Chases "Some of the Descendants of William Chase of Roxbury and Yarmouth, Mass., by John C. Chase, from Vol 87 (Jan 1933), 46-55; (Apr 1933), 127-141; (July 1933) 242-264; (Oct 1933), 314-342; Vol 88 (Jan 1934), 7-32; (Apr 1934), 105-128", which goes from page 129-254 AND "Descendants of William Chase: Additions and Corrections by Charles R. Chase, from Vol 90 (July 1936), 302-303", which is page 255. I am descended from the Chace line - and indeed carry it as my middle name, as did my father. I am just starting to delve into the Chace genealogy but have been able to garner little information so far with the exception that my grandmother was Win(n)ifred Bertha Chace, daughter of George Albert Chace and Lucinda Wheaton Slade and that she was married in Pawtucket, Rhode Island, February, 1911. Judy Needham (Judith Chace Norman Needham) -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Quist [SMTP:mamakitty@ewa.net] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 1999 6:58 AM To: CHASE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHASE-L] Chase Information Dear Chase Researchers, I would be interested in your reaction to the information posted on the following page http://www.gendex.com/users/hhadaway/hadaway/hadawaypage.htm He has a source book named 'Genealogies of Rhode Island Families From the New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Vol I, pp. 129-255. ' I found this listed as a source under Aquila Chase and Sarah Jelliman. Some of the information sounds like that which was mentioned on this list as inaccurate. I'm interested in the source book tho, how accurate it is and what exactly it says about this line. He also has information about William Chase that is similar, ie. that is names him as the brother of Thomas and Aquila and all three of them the descendants of the London Chases. Can anyone go there and look and respond about the source book? Leslie Quist

Dear Chase Researchers, I would be interested in your reaction to the information posted on the following page http://www.gendex.com/users/hhadaway/hadaway/hadawaypage.htm He has a source book named 'Genealogies of Rhode Island Families From the New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Vol I, pp. 129-255. ' I found this listed as a source under Aquila Chase and Sarah Jelliman. Some of the information sounds like that which was mentioned on this list as inaccurate. I'm interested in the source book tho, how accurate it is and what exactly it says about this line. He also has information about William Chase that is similar, ie. that is names him as the brother of Thomas and Aquila and all three of them the descendants of the London Chases. Can anyone go there and look and respond about the source book? Leslie Quist