This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/iUI.2ACIB/693.734.1033.2.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Joe, First, I want to apologize to you and other Chandler researchers for the lengthiness of my reply. Also, I do not mean to be offensive, rude, nor am I trying to create or cause any disturbances. I am quite positive that my family history probably has errors/mistakes in it, as it is a work in progress that will probably take me years to complete. I am still in the process of researching, collecting data, verifying, documenting, and entering into my database. I also am known to prefer the research to entering the data into the database and I have had many volunteers offer to enter the data for me, but I need to enter it myself. That way, when entering the data, I can catch mistakes whether mine or someone else's, get clues for further research, etc., make notes for further research on possible errors/leads. I would appreciate any and all corrections with copies of supporting documentation to my line. I have contacted several people with the CFA on purchasing copies of your publications. The publication was out of print and I was to supposedly be contacted when they were available. I have yet to hear from anyone regarding this. I have obtained copies of your publications from The Texas State Library. I have copies also of 1624/25 Muster and accounts of the voyage. I am a little confused by your statement: "For instance (as stated above), there is no evidence that immigrant John's father was b in 1547. Why would anyone believe that WITHOUT HARD EVIDENCE - he was old enough to be little John's grandather, for goodness sake." First what is a "grandather"? (I am sorry, I have noticed that you frequently have misspelled words and typos in your responses and also in some of your articles. I might suggest using something with spell check and/or grammar check, such as Microsoft Word) John Chandler b. abt 1547 England John Chandler b. abt. 1599 England m. Elizabeth Lupo At the age of 52, many men are grandfathers and even fathers. For example: Look at the age difference between Albiano Lupo and Elizabeth, plus look at the age he would have been when Temperance was born. "Clearly, immigrant John was born in 1600; CFA discarded the old 1599 claim years ago." Quoting from "Tidewater Virginia Families” Volume 9 Number 2 August/September 2000 "John almost surely was the one baptized September 7, 1600 at St. Margaret's Westminster in London. He and his family disappeared from St. Margaret's in 1609. He would have been 24 when the Muster was taken; the only one found so far who fits John. I think his father, also named John, brought John to Virginia." Is this where you are getting his date of birth or just the date he was baptized? Also, I do not understand what you are meaning by your statement: “All of the surviving information found to date is in my "Tidewater Virginia Families" articles and the Chandler Family Association (CFA) "Newsletter," but if you have read my articles I have more than the older CFA articles.” Are you telling me that all other documentation other than information from you and the CFA has been destroyed? This is where I got my info regarding John's arrival to Virginia. The Hercules, 1610 June 7, 1610 The Hercules, of Rye, from London arrived at Hampton Roads, Virginia. Rear Admiral of Lord De LaWarre's fleet of three ships. . Primary Source: British Museum, Harleian 7009, f.58 "Relation of a Voyage to Virginia in . . . 1610", Lord De La Warre. Secondary Source: "Hotten's Lists" Muster pages Ship and Passenger Information: Type: small ship Burthen: 200 tons Arrived with "about 30 settlers and provisions". Passengers: Julian, William . . . -- Age 43 in Virginia Muster, February 7, 1624/5 Chaundler, John . . . -- Age 24 in Virginia Muster, February 7, 1624/5 Booth, Reynold . . .. -- Age 32 in Virginia Muster, February 7, 1624/5 I am aware that Elizabeth's maiden name is not Lupo, that she was married to a Lupo. I used the name “Elizabeth Lupo” for indicating whom I was referring to, since most researchers are familiar with “Lupo”. In my database, I show her maiden name unknown. For the record, I am finding on marriage licenses/records, that they are issued in the surname at the time the license/record was recorded/issued as opposed to the maiden name. I have seen where Lt. Albiano Lupo was a passenger from the Port of London on the "Swan" to Virginia in 1610, listed in the Virginia Muster, Feb 7, 1624/25, age 40. Also, Elizabeth Lupo was a passenger from the Port of London on the "George" to Virginia in 1616, listed in the Virginia Muster Feb 7, 1624/5 age 28, also that she had a daughter named Temperance. Also, a Phillip Lupo age 42 arrives on the ship "George" in 1621. I also have copies of Jim Reeves "Index and Descent Books". No offense meant, but the index has not been documented and verified. I was really seeking information from other accredited sources than the CFA. I like to document and verify all of my data, finding evidence from more than one source. I was also hoping that other Chandler descendants might contact me, so that we might exchange information, etc. I am not attempting to solicit sales for anything I am working on, I just wish to exchange information, records, etc. with other Chandler researchers, be it may that we are amateur genealogists/historians. My Chandler line in the Nacogdoches area, I can pretty much document, but was seeking additional information from other family members who might have information other than the pictures of tombstones, marriage licenses, death certificates, land records, photos, family bible pages, census records, obits, etc. that I have. I have found a lot of clues and information from family "lore" that has been passed down through the years. In researching another part of my Chandler line thru marriage, from my asking for old photos, letters, etc., I have been able to find some missing relatives and now know where they are buried and have photos of the tombstones. Another relative from another line I am researching, discovered a trunk full of documents, letters, old photos, etc. in the attic of a house that he inherited, these records at the courthouse had been destroyed due to fires. A virtual gold mine of information, that he has been most generous in sharing with me and does not mind if I share these records with other researchers. Records that would have been otherwise lost forever. Likewise, I am spending a lot of time researching the English origins of John, as are others outside of the CFA. I spend anywhere from 5 to 12 hours a day doing research, whether it be via the internet, communicating with historians, historical societies, looking at/or photographing historical markers, libraries, at cemeteries photographing tombstones, interviewing family members, visiting or communicating with various government agencies, sitting in the musty basements of courthouses searching records, researching old newspapers, etc. Note: I am also researching other lines besides the Chandler line. Joe, I know you have spent a lot of time with your research. Please do not be so critical of us "amateur genealogists" with our bumbling unorthodox methods of research, such as using the Internet, which I consider a very good source. I can actually read books via the internet thru my local library, access land records, etc., communicate with other researchers, contact county and district clerk offices for copies of original documents, as well as numerous other government agencies, exchanging copies of old photos, documents, etc., with other researchers. We might accidentally stumble on some lost historical document that is hidden away in someone's attic in a trunk. I appreciate your response, but really did not receive any more info than I already have. Good luck to you in your search also!