This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/iUI.2ACIB/693.734.1033.2.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Dear Barbara, Generally, few lists of ships, dates of departure, etc. prior to the mid-19th century have survived, despite the may ship lists publications one will find in genealogical libraries and for sale by genealogical book publishers. The information about immigrant John and the Hercules comes was gleaned from the 1624/5 Muster and the diary made by one of the gentlemen in the 1609-1610 three-ship expedition led by Thomas West, Lord Delaware, in which the "Hercules of Rye" (a small coastal town in Essex) was the smallest of three vessels. The name of the captain is not even known. The IGI is the source for the John Chandler christened September 7, 1600 who MAY BE immigrant John Chandler. All of the surviving information found to date is in my "Tidewater Virginia Families" articles and the Chandler Family Association (CFA) "Newsletter," but if you have read my articles I have more than the older CFA articles. It is not known whether he traveled with his parents; anyone who says otherwise either has proof they are not sharing (which my research colleagues and I don't believe) or they are just guessing but not admitting that they are. ASSUMING we are correct that the 9-year old immigrant John was the one christened at St. Margaret Westminster in London on September 7, 1600, his father was in fact also named John. The entire family - father John, sons Nicholas (1597) and John (1600) and daughter Magdalen (1608) disappeared from St. Margaret's after the latter's christening in 1608. Another son, William, was b and d in 1603. We consider it likely that father John came to Virginia bringing little John (and maybe others) with him. If so, it would appear the others either died in Virginia or returned to London - either permanently or for a visit - when the Muster in Virginia was taken Jan 20-Feb 14, 1624/5. I have read estate papers of many, but far from all, London and London area Chan! dlers whose records survive 1600-1660, but have not positively identified immigrant John or any of his family. Jim Reeves, one of our CFA members, maintains a computerized Index and Descent Book of SUSPECTED descendants of immigrant John, which now includes more than 95,000 names. However, this data base DOES NOT include genealogical proofs and must not be cited as anything but a guide. With that many names - lineages given to Jim and attached where the submitters tell him to connect them - you can imagine that the CFA researchers have only validated a few hundred. Jim can be reached at <jer@toad.net>. If you have read my TVF articles and/or the CFA "Newsletter" articles, you should already have corrected some obvious errors that are in the lineage that you claim. I have seen the John 1547 claim somewhere before, but it is utterly unproven. I think it came from someone who assumed he was the John Chaundflower a/k/a Chaundler of London, but that man died in 1586. As far as we know, NO PROOF HAS BEEN DISCOVERED of where the father of immigrant John was born or when - or anything else about him. For instance (as stated above), there is no evidence that immigrant John's father was b in 1547. Why would anyone believe that WITHOUT HARD EVIDENCE - he was old enough to be little John's grandather, for goodness sake. Clearly, immigrant John was born in 1600; CFA discarded the old 1599 claim years ago. John did NOT MARRY Elizabeth Lupo - she was Elizabeth -?-, widow Lupo. Her maiden name has not been discovered by us or by two highly competent Lupo family historians. Someone in CFA may have additional knowledge about the Texas folks about whom you asked. Contact CFA President Elizabeth Steelman at <beth@texramp.net>. She is also a Texan - or at least a current Texas resident. I spend a lot of time trying to locate the English origins of immigrant John. If I ever succeed, I will share the find and publish the details ASAP. GOOD LUCK!