This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/iUI.2ACIB/1933 Message Board Post: List/message board members, thank you for your emails of support and encouragement. I do need to clarify or at least make a statement regarding a previous post. I was unaware that in posting a message with a family line that you are working on, that you are required to download your entire GEDCOM files with all of your sources posted as well. I have not seen where anyone else, amateur or professional genealogist, including CFA and affiliates have had to give that much information, just to make a post or query. For the record, I just posted the Chandler line that I am working on. I am not stating that it is fact, it is just a work in progress, as I stated. Some of it has been documented from various sources, that at this time I do not feel that I am required to divulge in order to make a post/query to a message board/list. I just gave one example of a source and that was really in an effort to help others. Please, this is just what I am working on, if you use it, use it as a guideline with your own research proving or disproving it, document and verify ! everything. If you are able to document and verify anything I share with anyone, regardless of whether it is through personal emails or message boards/lists, I do not care if you quote my personal material verbatim, I do ask that if you quote any material that comes under copyright laws to please respect the copyrighted material. I, also, was not aware that in order for me to post a query/message that it was required or necessary for me to submit my formal education information and/or private or professional information. This message is not meant to be evaluated by any member of the CFA nor am I asking for/nor require any assistance or response from any member of the CFA or affiliates of said association. I did, however, discover an error in my previous posting to the list/message board regarding the ship "Hercules of Rye", the link to website did not post. I proofed/edited my message, but was unable to tell the link would not post. The material I posted about the "Hercules of Rye" was information obtained off the internet and had links that did not post as a link. (For the record, I do have the same information obtained from other credible sources than the internet acceptable to organizations such as the DAR and other such known organizations that I do not feel necessary to name.) Example of the error: Julian, William . . . -- Age 43 in Virginia Muster, February 7, 1624/5 Chaundler, John . . . -- Age 24 in Virginia Muster, February 7, 1624/5 Booth, Reynold . . .. -- Age 32 in Virginia Muster, February 7, 1624/5 Where it says "in Virginia Muster", should have been a link to click on, but for some unknown reason it did not post that way. I was also trying to show where other researchers could find more information regarding the ship Hercules and passenger lists, I am going to re-post the links If it does not post as a link again, I have put the website address as the link, so you can copy and paste it. If anyone has difficulty accessing the link, just email me and I will send you an email with the links or send you the page by email. There is an interesting link to an archaeological site about Jamestown not necessarily about the Chandler line, some fascinating information, maps, photos, etc., more for historical purposes. They have found what they believe to be the Jamestown Fort and even show pictures of artifacts found during digs. http://www.ministrytoday.org/family/belyea/ships/ships-london/passengers-london.htm http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Eusgenweb/va/vafiles.htm Click on the various counties , then use the Ctrl F function, type the name Chandler in. (or any other name that you are interested in the Virginia counties) Or you can search the entire site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/va/vasearch.htm you can just type in the surname of Chandler http://www.apva.org/jr.html This is an example of what you can find. This transcribed version gives the same information as the original. "Education in Colonial Virginia: Part I, Poor Children and Orphans; 1897 William and Mary College Quarterly Historical Magazine, Vol. 5, No. 4. (Apr., 1897), pp. 219-223. ELIZABETH CITY COUNTY, July 18, 1698. - Ann Chandler, orphan of Daniel Chandler, bound apprentice to Phyllemon Miller till 18 or day of marriage, to be taught to read a chapter in the Bible, ye Lord's prayer, and ten commandments, and sempstress work." I am in the process of searching for more passenger lists of the ships, that I will share when I find them. I know that at the Ellis Island site, you can view copies of the original documents. So there has to be a similar site for the Jamestown port, I just haven't found it, yet. If necessary, I will just obtain copies of the original documents from London. In my opinion, which is probably wrong according to the said standards of some, a microfilmed copy of an original document used to make a copy via the internet is the same as obtaining a copy of an original document by contacting the agency/place who has possession of the original (probably microfilmed) and procuring a copy. However, I do prefer to look at copies of the original as opposed to transcribed versions. I have found mistakes in the transcribed versions. An example of such a mistake is a transcribed 1920 Lamar County, Tx. Census record (of which I have a copy of the original census record). The transcribed version has my grandfather's name as "Clyburn, Lou Dr." when in fact the original has "Clyburn, Dr. Lon". The original is correct. ( I am aware this example has nothing to do with the Chandler line, it is just stating an example of an error.) The following links to the BLM, The Library of Congress, questia The World's Largest Online Library, are good places to search as well. http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ http://www.loc.gov/ http://www.questia.com/Index.jsp?CRID=virginian_history&OFFID=se1 These are some other website to research or ask for assistance: http://www.archives.gov/welcome/index.html http://www.clanfraser.ca/muster.htm http://www.drtl.org/ http://www.libraries.rutgers.edu/rul/rr_gateway/research_guides/history/history.shtml Also, for "amateur" researchers in the state of Texas, you can go to your local library and get a library card if you do not have one. After you receive the library card, you can ask for a password and ID to access TexShare online via your home PC and internet. Once you have the password and ID, only available to my knowledge through your local Texas library, go to History & Genealogy. From that you can access microfilmed copies of census records, books, publications, etc. A valuable tool for "amateur" genealogists. Ancestry.com has the same thing called Heritage Quest that you have to pay a monthly/annual fee for. This same program, plus more, is available through your local library for free. I am sorry, I do not know if it is available in other states than Texas. The only thing I can suggest is to contact your local library to see what programs they might have available. I would really like to be able to discuss some of these things with other "amateur" researchers (again I am not asking for assistance nor the opinion of/from any member of the CFA) without belittling other's work or dismissing other's opinions, just to be able discuss with amateur researchers views/thoughts/hypothesis on things like the Lupo's on separate passenger lists. Barbara Chandler

Hi all, here is my Chandler line, All in australia, Ainslee 1 CHANDLER ---------------------------------------- Spouse: Joan DELLER Father: Stanley James DELLER (1894-) Mother: Cecily LAMBERT (~1897-1962) Children: Russell Pamela 1.1 Russell CHANDLER ---------------------------------------- 1.2 Pamela CHANDLER ---------------------------------------- Spouse: WRIGHT Children: Alison 1.2.1 Alison WRIGHT ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- List Administrator of Aus-german-l & hooper-ons-l www.ainsleehooper.com GOONS #3895 Hooper, worldwide.

Looking for the parents and siblings of Thilman Chandler. According to the LDS Family History Center film: 446288, Endowments for the dead, Thilman was born c. 1796. Thilman married Ursilla Chandler August 7, 1821 (Theresa Fischer book of marriages). Thilman was the bondsman for the marriages of both Thomas and Turner Grymes of Caroline County. The only federal census I could find for Thilman was the 1830 census of Caroline County where he is listed with his wife, one minor male, and two minor females. He nor his wife, Ursilla, are listed in the 1840 census (very strange). Ursilla is listed in the 1850 census of Caroline County VA living in the same household with two male and five female Chandler's, presumably her children. The 1860 Federal census has Ursilla and family living in Hanover county, VA. A Thomas Chandler, who was not living in the Ursilla household in 1850, is now listed in the household with Virginia Chandler, age 8, and John Chandler age 3. I'm not sure, but I think Thomas married Ursilla's daughter Mary J. Chandler sometime after the 1850 census. I also think the two children Vieginia and John are theirs. I found a Mary J and Thomas C Chandler living in the sanme household in the 1870 census of Caroline County VA. ANd then in the 1880 census of Caroline County I found a Thomas C. Chandler living with a Vurginia Chandler. Any help is appreciated. John

I am trying to find the connection between my Morton family of Person and Wake counties, NC and the Chandler family. My Thomas Morton was married in either VA. or Person County, NC to Elizabeth "Bettie" Inge ca 1840. Their son George G. Morton was born July 5, 1846. I have absolutely no information on the birth place of either Thomas or Bettie. On George G. Morton's death certificate it list Bettie as being born in VA. I also have no death information or burial information on Thomas or Bettie Morton. I found in an 1860 census record for Essex Co..... VA a Thornton Chandler, age 72, Ann Chandler, age 40, George Morton, age 16, and Harry Morton, age 8. I believe this Ann Chandler to be a Morton but I am not sure if she is Thornton's wife or daughter in law. It does not state on the census. I does however list all as Mulatto. I would appreciate any help on this family as I cannot go farther on Thomas until I at least find which family he belongs to or some other form of documentation. I am reasonably sure that George G. Morton had to have had siblings, but have been unable to substantiate that fact either. The Morton family were tenant farmers in Person County for many years and intermarried with members of the Moses/Buckley Walker family. There were also Chandler connections there. My great grandfather was named James Chandler Morton which leads me to believe that there was a Chandler connection somewhere in this family. Again, any help will be appreciated. Joyce Harrison http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mmorton/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncalaman/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncacgs/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/iUI.2ACIB/693.734.1033.2.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks, Barbara, but I'm not defensive; just factual. I answered your questions, which did include questioning my claim that the articles by CFA represented all sources about immigrant John Chandler found to the date of publication. I explained how and why that was a correct statement. I hope you won't stop making WWW inquiries; only you will be hurt by doing so. But, it would - in my opinion - be proper to say "I found a descent by XXX that says I descend from John b. ca. 1547 and John b. ca. 1599" instead of stating it as a fact, as you did. In that way, a responder can address the source as well as the content of the claim. You still have not told me your source for your 1547 statement, which was presented as a FACT. I feel certain CFA president Elizabeth Steelman will respond to an e-mail about whether any of your line has been covered beyond the 3rd generation in the CFA "Newsletter" and whether she knows of anyone who can help you with your later genealogy. CFA and I practice high (academic quality) standards in research and writing. That's why we we found what all others failed to find in more than 80 years of looking - and why our work can be depended upon to such a high degree. It took 5 men a combined 25 years of research (partime) to come up with what we have published - free, for the benefit of all. We do insist that persons who have questions be precise, including providing their sources. My 6 articles about Immigrant John to the 5th generation through son Robert and the 7th generation through son John II contain 393 numbered footnotes, many of which include multiple sources. That makes my sources total over 500 for less than 50 pages of text. Because of the publisher's space limitations, it will often be necessary for readers to read the text of a source to get the fullest picture, but the sources are there. Continued good luck on your search and we are here for future specific questions. JC/DC

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Chandler Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/iUI.2ACIB/1932 Message Board Post: Hi I thought that I'd post this here. I don't have Chandler's in my line that I'm researching, I just ran across it and thought that I'd share it in case anyone can identify it for the owner. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohhamilt/ll0006.html it simply states Great Grandma Chandler Hope it helps someone

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/iUI.2ACIB/693.734.1033.2.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Joe, I obviously offended you and caused you to be defensive, which I did not intend upon doing. I will not argue with you nor was I trying to. I apologize to the other members of the forum and list. I will not post any further queries or replies in the future. Barbara Chandler

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/iUI.2ACIB/693.734.1033.2.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Dear Barbara, Actually, you did get information you did not already have - information that some of the things you have copied are either wrong or have been replaced by later information - such as the "birth date" of 1610 immigrant John Chandler. A lot of what you wrote really doesn't need a reply. I think some of it is that you just want to argue. But, here are a few things. And, it is also common pratice to overlook misspellings of words that are easily understood while using the Internet - people are often in a hurry, especially in non-business matters. AFTER ALL, you asked me for help and I was replying. All that anyone has for Immigrant John is his christening date, September 7, 1600 - if he is the one at St. Margaret's. No one knows his birth date, but people are often not precise about such things and they will often interchange "birth" and "christening." It was custom to baptize or or about the 8th day after birth according to experts on the subject in printed sources and a personal inquiry at St. Margaret's by one of my cousins. In the past my colleagues and I had a hunch as to how the 1599 date originated, but it has been so long ago I forget what it is; anyway, it's irrelevant. Given the custom of the time, it is reasonable assume a 1600 birth date, not 1599 - not that it matters. There is one 1599 John Chandler whose birth date has worried some. I checked the published church register at the Library of Congress and sure enough it said 1599. But, I ordered a copy of the ORIGINAL record from England and it was 1598/9 - and also learned he died the next year. Because someone wrote 1599 - without citing proof - doesn't require a rebuttal - 1599 requires proof. You seem to treat all sources equally. In fact, many of the items you cite also cite each other. The trick is to get to the oldest, original or most nearly original source so that one's arguments are linear, not circular. That is what we at CFA do. Hotten, for instance, quoted from the Muster. So, if I use the Muster (which CFA and I did), we don't need to use Hotten although we certainly know his book. Hotten is a "secondary source" - the Muster (published in numerous places, including "Adventurers of Purse and Person," all 3 editions) is the "primary source." (Actually, the printed Muster is also a "secondary source," the original Muster being the true original.) "Grandather" = "grandfather." DUH! You picked on that misspelling instead of addressing the issue - listing the birth of Immigrant John's father as being in 1547 without stating a source? Of course, he COULD have been Immigrant John's father, but most people don't father children at 52 - especially in a time when the average life expectancy of a male born in England was 38! A bit of general history of the times also helps place things in context and create probabilities in the absence of hard evidence. Who made the claim and what was his/her source? It's his/her responsibility (and yours, if you are going to repreat it) to state the proof for their case, not mine to disprove it until they have offered EVIDENCE. There is nothing about John that is not represented in my article and/or the CFA "Newsletter" (unless you have a NEW ORIGINAL ITEM) - except a couple of things I have since discovered, but have not yet published. I cited the ORIGINAL document upon which the Harleian publication you mentioned was based. Harleian is yet another "secondary" or "tertiary" source. Again, CFA researchers and I went to the "best evidence" source, which was the diary kept by one of the passengers. Of course, all other evidence except CFA and TVF has not been destroyed; you have listed some of them. But, what you have listed are duplicative, "secondary" or "tiertiary" sources. But, no NEW ORIGINAL evidence has ever been reported by anyone in any publication that still survives that we have not seen in more than a decade of looking by a team that constantly checks each other. BUT, WE WILL BE DELIGHTED, ECSTATIC IF YOU FIND OTHERS! YOU WILL BECOME A LEGEND IN YOUR OWN TIME. I don't know where you got the 200 tons from - again you didn't provide the source. But the "Hercules of Rye" on which Immigrant John traveled in 1609-10 was ca. 30 tons. More than one ship has been named "Hercules," even in colonial times. I'm pretty sure I said Jim Reeves' documents were mostly not verified; I know I didn't cite it for anything other than a guide - I know it too well. All th stuff we know of about the Lupos is in my article or CFA "Newsletters" and in the sources referenced there, including two excellent studies of the Lupo family going back to before they joined the court of Henry VIII ca. 1540. If you mean that marriage licenses were not entered in dual cross entried, that's correct. But, many, many have been abstracted by the Harleian Society and the IGI with cross-indexes to female names provided. The Lupos authors and I knew that and we checked. Besides, the chance that Albiano and Elizabeth returned to England to be married are slim and none. Rarely, a well-to-do man (especially one who alread had a sweetheart or couldn't find someone of his social standing in Virginia) returned to England to be married (e.g., Adam Thorowgood), but I know of no surviving record of a single man and a single woman who both returned to England to be married in the VACO years. We just don't have any clues to try to identify her. I commend you for searching "off the record." But, you were questioning me about what was on the record. You have not cited anything about immigrant John that has not been known to CFA researchers for over a decade. AGAIN, WE WILL BE FIRST IN LINE TO CHEER YOU IF YOU DO FIND SOMETHING. MAYBE YOU WILL EVEN FIND JOHN IN ENGLAND BEFORE WE DO. It'll save us a lot of work. Having established Immigrant John's connection to sone Roberts and John II and the third generation an beyond after others had tried to do so without success for at least 80 years, we could do with some rest. Again, good hunting! JC

I just finished adding the Andover Births to 1850 to my web site, marriages and deaths will come later. Your surname was one of the more common ones in these pages so I am writting to the list to let you know. If you visit and see another surname that you are working on please feel free to let that list know where to find the files. Location: http://www.rays-place.com/town/ma/andover/ Also feel free to explor the rest of the web site, with over 1,000 pages you may find something of interest. Cheers Ray Brown http://www.rays-place.com .

I need help on Wife and Children of Joseph Chandler b 8/11/1700.s/o Robert Jr. b 4/30/1659. Can anyone tell me if this is right or needs corrections Thanks Jewell Chandler Kennedy Descendants of Robert Chandler Jr. 1 Robert Chandler Jr. b: April 30, 1659 in Chiskiak, York Co. VA d: 1710 in St. Peters Parrish , New Kent Co. VA .. +Elizabeth Palmer b: Abt. 1664 in King William CO. VA. m: Abt. 1685 in New Kent Co. VA d: 1745 . 2 Joell Chandler b: 1683 d: 1755 ..... +Priscilla Temple . 2 Robert III Chandler b: May 30, 1688 in New Kent Co. VA ..... +Elizabet Butler b: 1670 d: 1745 . 2 Timothy Chandler b: October 17, 1689 in New Kent Co. VA d: June 1758 in Caroline Co. VA ..... +Justine Woolfolk b: 1705 d: 1758 . 2 John Chandler b: January 18, 1693/94 in VA d: 1747 ..... +Maty Early . 2 William Chandler b: June 6, 1698 in New Kent Co. VA d: May 5, 1779 in Halifax Co. VA ..... +Delitia Cox m: Bef. 1726 . *2nd Wife of William Chandler: ..... +Elizabeth b: 1706 in New Kent Co. VA m: Bef. 1727 d: 1735 in Halifax Co. VA . *3rd Wife of William Chandler: ..... +Judith b: 1716 m: Bef. 1735 . 2 Joseph Chandler b: August 11, 1700 in St. Peters Parish, New Kent County, VA d: October 11, 1764 in St. James Parish, Lunenburg County, VA ..... +Sarah Bilbo b: 1700 d: 1766

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/iUI.2ACIB/270.274.304.1 Message Board Post: Descendants of Robert Chandler 1 Robert Chandler b: August 31, 1720 in Henrico County, VA d: August 26, 1805 in Wilson County, TN . +Parthena Bailey b: November 27, 1732 d: Aft. 1805 in Wilson Co. TN ....... 2 Bailey Chandler b: July 14, 1751 in Cumberland County, VA d: 1809 in Jackson County, GA ........... +Tabitha Jackson b: Abt. 1751 ................. 3 Bailey Chandler b: 1772 ................. 3 Ann Chandler b: 1773 ................. 3 Robert Chandler b: 1775 in Wilkes County, NC d: Bet. 1850 - 1860 in Alabama ..................... +Nancy (Probably Mobley) ........................... 4 Mary Chandler b: 1810 ........................... 4 Henry Isham Chandler b: 1811 ........................... 4 Martha Chandler b: 1816 ........................... 4 Mary Elizabeth Chandler b: October 15, 1817 ........................... 4 John M. C. Chandler b: 1820 ........................... 4 Elias Mitchell Chandler b: July 7, 1823 ........................... 4 Susanna K. Chandler b: 1825 ................. 3 Jane Chandler b: 1776 ................. 3 Tabitha Chandler b: 1778 ................. 3 Abraham Chandler b: 1780 ................. 3 Atha Chandler b: Aft. 1780 ................. 3 William Chandler b: Aft. 1780 ....... 2 Robert Chandler b: August 12, 1753 in VA ....... 2 Partheny "Patty" Chandler b: March 4, 1758 in VA ........... +Rubin Smithy ....... 2 Frances "Fannie" Chandler b: July 12, 1760 in Cumberland County, VA d: February 3, 1801 ........... +Uriah Hardman b: April 12, 1752 in Pittsylvania County, VA d: May 1800 in Oglethorpe, GA ....... 2 Josiah Chandler b: July 12, 1762 in Henry Co. VA d: October 16, 1827 in Leeville, TN, Wilson Co. ........... +Sarah Eddins b: August 24, 1762 in Culpepper Co. VA d: July 3, 1848 in Leeville, TN, Wilson Co. ....... 2 Rebecca Chandler b: February 19, 1765 in Henry Co. VA d: 1840 in Leeville, TN, Wilson Co. ........... +William Eddins b: April 21, 1758 in Culpepper Co. VA d: March 3, 1841 in Leeville, TN, Wilson Co. ....... 2 Parks Chandler b: February 19, 1767 in Henry Co. VA d: 1845 ........... +Louisia Allen b: Abt. 1770 ................. 3 Soloman Chandler ....... *2nd Wife of Parks Chandler: ........... +Elizabeth ....... 2 Riland Chandler b: 1769 ....... 2 Salley Chandler b: 1772 ....... 2 Pitts Chandler b: 1775 ....... 2 Isaac Chandler b: 1777

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Chandler, Sewell, Stallings, Parks, Ayers, Payton, Wofford, Ford Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/iUI.2ACIB/270.274.304 Message Board Post: Whoa you just got my attention but not with the Chandlers, with Joseph Wofford Hamilton. I know who his parents were and who his maternal line is. Can you give me his children's names? Now to the Chandler, do you have any other children for Robert and Parthenia besides Bailey? Did Bailey and Tabitha have more children than Bailey, Jr? the same with the next couple of Bailey's. Did any of them have more than the one child? I didn't have a daughter for Bailey 1792. But on my Woffords I have Joseph Wofford Hamilton, but no wife. This helps then on two lines.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Chandler, Sewell, Stallings, Parks, Payton Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/iUI.2ACIB/136.422.424.425.739.1 Message Board Post: There was a female Nancy age 13 on the 1860 census living in Ambrose and Jerusha's household. She was not listed on the 1850 census. She may be a grand daughter instead of daughter, but who's child I don't know

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/iUI.2ACIB/693.734.1033.2.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Joe, First, I want to apologize to you and other Chandler researchers for the lengthiness of my reply. Also, I do not mean to be offensive, rude, nor am I trying to create or cause any disturbances. I am quite positive that my family history probably has errors/mistakes in it, as it is a work in progress that will probably take me years to complete. I am still in the process of researching, collecting data, verifying, documenting, and entering into my database. I also am known to prefer the research to entering the data into the database and I have had many volunteers offer to enter the data for me, but I need to enter it myself. That way, when entering the data, I can catch mistakes whether mine or someone else's, get clues for further research, etc., make notes for further research on possible errors/leads. I would appreciate any and all corrections with copies of supporting documentation to my line. I have contacted several people with the CFA on purchasing copies of your publications. The publication was out of print and I was to supposedly be contacted when they were available. I have yet to hear from anyone regarding this. I have obtained copies of your publications from The Texas State Library. I have copies also of 1624/25 Muster and accounts of the voyage. I am a little confused by your statement: "For instance (as stated above), there is no evidence that immigrant John's father was b in 1547. Why would anyone believe that WITHOUT HARD EVIDENCE - he was old enough to be little John's grandather, for goodness sake." First what is a "grandather"? (I am sorry, I have noticed that you frequently have misspelled words and typos in your responses and also in some of your articles. I might suggest using something with spell check and/or grammar check, such as Microsoft Word) John Chandler b. abt 1547 England John Chandler b. abt. 1599 England m. Elizabeth Lupo At the age of 52, many men are grandfathers and even fathers. For example: Look at the age difference between Albiano Lupo and Elizabeth, plus look at the age he would have been when Temperance was born. "Clearly, immigrant John was born in 1600; CFA discarded the old 1599 claim years ago." Quoting from "Tidewater Virginia Families” Volume 9 Number 2 August/September 2000 "John almost surely was the one baptized September 7, 1600 at St. Margaret's Westminster in London. He and his family disappeared from St. Margaret's in 1609. He would have been 24 when the Muster was taken; the only one found so far who fits John. I think his father, also named John, brought John to Virginia." Is this where you are getting his date of birth or just the date he was baptized? Also, I do not understand what you are meaning by your statement: “All of the surviving information found to date is in my "Tidewater Virginia Families" articles and the Chandler Family Association (CFA) "Newsletter," but if you have read my articles I have more than the older CFA articles.” Are you telling me that all other documentation other than information from you and the CFA has been destroyed? This is where I got my info regarding John's arrival to Virginia. The Hercules, 1610 June 7, 1610 The Hercules, of Rye, from London arrived at Hampton Roads, Virginia. Rear Admiral of Lord De LaWarre's fleet of three ships. . Primary Source: British Museum, Harleian 7009, f.58 "Relation of a Voyage to Virginia in . . . 1610", Lord De La Warre. Secondary Source: "Hotten's Lists" Muster pages Ship and Passenger Information: Type: small ship Burthen: 200 tons Arrived with "about 30 settlers and provisions". Passengers: Julian, William . . . -- Age 43 in Virginia Muster, February 7, 1624/5 Chaundler, John . . . -- Age 24 in Virginia Muster, February 7, 1624/5 Booth, Reynold . . .. -- Age 32 in Virginia Muster, February 7, 1624/5 I am aware that Elizabeth's maiden name is not Lupo, that she was married to a Lupo. I used the name “Elizabeth Lupo” for indicating whom I was referring to, since most researchers are familiar with “Lupo”. In my database, I show her maiden name unknown. For the record, I am finding on marriage licenses/records, that they are issued in the surname at the time the license/record was recorded/issued as opposed to the maiden name. I have seen where Lt. Albiano Lupo was a passenger from the Port of London on the "Swan" to Virginia in 1610, listed in the Virginia Muster, Feb 7, 1624/25, age 40. Also, Elizabeth Lupo was a passenger from the Port of London on the "George" to Virginia in 1616, listed in the Virginia Muster Feb 7, 1624/5 age 28, also that she had a daughter named Temperance. Also, a Phillip Lupo age 42 arrives on the ship "George" in 1621. I also have copies of Jim Reeves "Index and Descent Books". No offense meant, but the index has not been documented and verified. I was really seeking information from other accredited sources than the CFA. I like to document and verify all of my data, finding evidence from more than one source. I was also hoping that other Chandler descendants might contact me, so that we might exchange information, etc. I am not attempting to solicit sales for anything I am working on, I just wish to exchange information, records, etc. with other Chandler researchers, be it may that we are amateur genealogists/historians. My Chandler line in the Nacogdoches area, I can pretty much document, but was seeking additional information from other family members who might have information other than the pictures of tombstones, marriage licenses, death certificates, land records, photos, family bible pages, census records, obits, etc. that I have. I have found a lot of clues and information from family "lore" that has been passed down through the years. In researching another part of my Chandler line thru marriage, from my asking for old photos, letters, etc., I have been able to find some missing relatives and now know where they are buried and have photos of the tombstones. Another relative from another line I am researching, discovered a trunk full of documents, letters, old photos, etc. in the attic of a house that he inherited, these records at the courthouse had been destroyed due to fires. A virtual gold mine of information, that he has been most generous in sharing with me and does not mind if I share these records with other researchers. Records that would have been otherwise lost forever. Likewise, I am spending a lot of time researching the English origins of John, as are others outside of the CFA. I spend anywhere from 5 to 12 hours a day doing research, whether it be via the internet, communicating with historians, historical societies, looking at/or photographing historical markers, libraries, at cemeteries photographing tombstones, interviewing family members, visiting or communicating with various government agencies, sitting in the musty basements of courthouses searching records, researching old newspapers, etc. Note: I am also researching other lines besides the Chandler line. Joe, I know you have spent a lot of time with your research. Please do not be so critical of us "amateur genealogists" with our bumbling unorthodox methods of research, such as using the Internet, which I consider a very good source. I can actually read books via the internet thru my local library, access land records, etc., communicate with other researchers, contact county and district clerk offices for copies of original documents, as well as numerous other government agencies, exchanging copies of old photos, documents, etc., with other researchers. We might accidentally stumble on some lost historical document that is hidden away in someone's attic in a trunk. I appreciate your response, but really did not receive any more info than I already have. Good luck to you in your search also!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/iUI.2ACIB/1926.2 Message Board Post: Sorry, I was emailed....and I typoed. It's Moab...<smile> Here is the timeline I have for my Ggrandfather Leroy Chandler. Leroys father is from IN. Dont know name. Mother is from KS. Dont know name. Leroy was born in MO in 1898ish. In 1920 he was in navel hospital in Salano, Vallejo, California. Jan 15 1924 married Ethel Smith dont know where (I found Ethel in Idaho in 1910/1920 w/uncle and aunt) In 1927 he was WY where my grandmother was born. In 1930 he was in Moab, Utah. In 1970 he was in TX where he died. Burried Fort Sam Houston National Cem, SanAntonio, Bexar County, Texas Plot V O 977. Possible sisters names again were, Lena, Ellen and Florance. I "Know" I should be able to find this family in 1900 and 1910 but I havent been able to. Please help!! I do have his SS# as well. He was in the military his entire life. I know he also spent time in Washington state when my Grandmother was young.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/iUI.2ACIB/1926.1 Message Board Post: Leroy might not of been born in MO, his daughter "thought" Leroys family was from Maob/Salt Lake City Utah. She thinks 3 of his sisters were Lena (married a Mr Martin & lived sometime in SanFrancisco), Ellen and Florence. There could be more siblings. Does this fit with anyones family??? Sure would like to know whom my Ggrandfathers family is!!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/iUI.2ACIB/693.734.1033.2.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Dear Barbara, Generally, few lists of ships, dates of departure, etc. prior to the mid-19th century have survived, despite the may ship lists publications one will find in genealogical libraries and for sale by genealogical book publishers. The information about immigrant John and the Hercules comes was gleaned from the 1624/5 Muster and the diary made by one of the gentlemen in the 1609-1610 three-ship expedition led by Thomas West, Lord Delaware, in which the "Hercules of Rye" (a small coastal town in Essex) was the smallest of three vessels. The name of the captain is not even known. The IGI is the source for the John Chandler christened September 7, 1600 who MAY BE immigrant John Chandler. All of the surviving information found to date is in my "Tidewater Virginia Families" articles and the Chandler Family Association (CFA) "Newsletter," but if you have read my articles I have more than the older CFA articles. It is not known whether he traveled with his parents; anyone who says otherwise either has proof they are not sharing (which my research colleagues and I don't believe) or they are just guessing but not admitting that they are. ASSUMING we are correct that the 9-year old immigrant John was the one christened at St. Margaret Westminster in London on September 7, 1600, his father was in fact also named John. The entire family - father John, sons Nicholas (1597) and John (1600) and daughter Magdalen (1608) disappeared from St. Margaret's after the latter's christening in 1608. Another son, William, was b and d in 1603. We consider it likely that father John came to Virginia bringing little John (and maybe others) with him. If so, it would appear the others either died in Virginia or returned to London - either permanently or for a visit - when the Muster in Virginia was taken Jan 20-Feb 14, 1624/5. I have read estate papers of many, but far from all, London and London area Chan! dlers whose records survive 1600-1660, but have not positively identified immigrant John or any of his family. Jim Reeves, one of our CFA members, maintains a computerized Index and Descent Book of SUSPECTED descendants of immigrant John, which now includes more than 95,000 names. However, this data base DOES NOT include genealogical proofs and must not be cited as anything but a guide. With that many names - lineages given to Jim and attached where the submitters tell him to connect them - you can imagine that the CFA researchers have only validated a few hundred. Jim can be reached at <jer@toad.net>. If you have read my TVF articles and/or the CFA "Newsletter" articles, you should already have corrected some obvious errors that are in the lineage that you claim. I have seen the John 1547 claim somewhere before, but it is utterly unproven. I think it came from someone who assumed he was the John Chaundflower a/k/a Chaundler of London, but that man died in 1586. As far as we know, NO PROOF HAS BEEN DISCOVERED of where the father of immigrant John was born or when - or anything else about him. For instance (as stated above), there is no evidence that immigrant John's father was b in 1547. Why would anyone believe that WITHOUT HARD EVIDENCE - he was old enough to be little John's grandather, for goodness sake. Clearly, immigrant John was born in 1600; CFA discarded the old 1599 claim years ago. John did NOT MARRY Elizabeth Lupo - she was Elizabeth -?-, widow Lupo. Her maiden name has not been discovered by us or by two highly competent Lupo family historians. Someone in CFA may have additional knowledge about the Texas folks about whom you asked. Contact CFA President Elizabeth Steelman at <beth@texramp.net>. She is also a Texan - or at least a current Texas resident. I spend a lot of time trying to locate the English origins of immigrant John. If I ever succeed, I will share the find and publish the details ASAP. GOOD LUCK!

Hi, My Great Grandfather, Cornelius Chandler had a brother named Lorenzo. Cornelius was born in New Hampshire. Where was your Lorenzo Chandler born?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/iUI.2ACIB/693.734.1033.2.1.1.3.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I am also researching the John Chandler line. I would like more information regarding the ship Hercules, passenger lists, port of departure, etc. I am also interested in why he was traveling without his parents. Other than the "Tidewater Virginia Families" articles, what other materials, books, etc., would you suggest for research? Also, if anyone else has information on this line that they will share, I would appreciate it tremendously. I am trying to gather data on spouses, siblings, etc. My Chandler line is as follows: John Chandler b. abt 1547 England John Chandler b. abt. 1599 England m. Elizabeth Lupo Robert Chandler b. abt 1629 Virginia Robert Chandler b. abt 1653 Virginia Joseph Chandler b. abt 1700 Virginia John Chandler b. abt 1726 Virginia John Chandler b. abt 1751 Virginia Robert Chandler b. abt 1775 Virginia Elias Chandler b. abt 1799 South Carolina Enoch George W. Chandler b. 1830 Alabama Franklin Lafayette Chandler b. 1856 Texas The Chandlers settled in the Nacogdoches, Texas area, marriages to Cooper, Baker, Stoker, Koonce, Kukendall, Kennamer (various spellings), Pratt-to name a few. I have found they were also instrumental in founding The Primitive Baptist Church in that area and would like to gather more information pertaining to that. My email address is: <jimair@ev1.net> Thank you, Barbara Chandler

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/iUI.2ACIB/1931 Message Board Post: Looking for information on the descendants of the above marriage. Lorenzo b. 1832 and married in Sandy Hill, NY. He served in the Civil War.