I don't see how this has gotten so out of control. I am trying to research my family tree. In doing so, I was trying to find if there was any Indian blood in our line. You folks who say you are of Indian blood have made me feel like a complete outsider. I have asked a few questions for which I have been threaten with being banned from this list and been fussed at for asking!! Why? Because those who answered me are not in agreement and that starts a debate. I was not born with all the answers, so I must ask questions!! At 12:34 PM 5/24/00 -0700, you wrote: >As stated, there is so much discussion over this and sometimes it is >offensive. From what I have learned from hanging out with mostly "card >carrying" Indians is that the problems that have caused this big "are you a >provable Indian" animosity comes from "New Agers" those who were Indian in >another life, they take the spiritual things of the people and try to "cash >in" on them. They speak like ... well what can only be described as "someone >who has seen dances with wolves one to many times". They give themselves >some made up "made for TV name" and after only a little reading they are >real experts in everything Indian. Or those folks who have hung out around >pow wow so long that they try to convince anyone who will listen that they >are a big time spiritual leader for their tribe and the stuff that they are >teaching as true "tribal ways of their tribe" is that of the Lakota or some >other tribe. It is because of the fakes and phonies that those who can prove >their heritage get offensive about if you really are of Blood or if your >Grandpa was a Chief and your Grandmother was a Princess. >This is just my take on the situation and what I have observed most >provable Indian people are very kind to those who are still looking, when >that person is respectful and does not try to act and speak in a "movie >character" way. > >Recently there was a man within our view who played a flute, he was billed >out as some super spiritual leader there was no proof that he was Indian but >he came before the people telling these "spiritual ways" and how he had to >fast & pray before playing his flute. Although the bull impressed those who >knew nothing about who their were, those who new better were saying that he >was "A white guy playing flute elevator music". After all this talk of >"spiritual ways" he went up to a "real traditionalist" and inviting him to >join him, after he collect his money, to go the hotel bar for brew. This >was a insult to what he was "selling" and cheapened the whole thing. >Just sharing what I have observed and in no way insulting anyone, just >trying to let those who can not understand why "provables" sometimes have >hard feelings. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Markie <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 10:55 AM >Subject: [CHAHTA] Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Re: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-D Digest V00 #346 > > >> >Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:07:08 -0700 (PDT) >> >From: "Skydancer" <[email protected]> >> >To: [email protected] >> > >> >Jim >> >I don't know what the INDIAN is in people..I know the things I >believe..Does >> >it >> >mean I have to carry a symbol of this on my person..NO it is in my heart. >It >> >does NOT take yours or anyones approval. There is only one person I need >> >approval from and that is the Creator. I am supposed to be part >Irish..but >> >do I >> >need to have a card to prove this too? NO!!! A person that is in tune >with >> >THEMSELVES know who they ARE. This takes no approval from ANYONE. >> >I have heard so much of this CARD..I have just turned down the >opportunity >> >of having a CARD, because I don't need the CARD to tell me who I AM. >> >Creator knows who I am this is enough proof for me. >> >Skydancer >> > >> >May the Creator light your path, >> >and you will forever walk in peace. >> > >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <[email protected]> >> >To: <[email protected]> >> >Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 9:19 AM >> >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Re: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-D Digest V00 #346 >> > >> > >> >| I just don't quite see the logic in this. You mean that all a person >has >> >to >> >| do is say they are Indian and they WILL BE reconized as such? WHO will >> >| reconize them without proof? >> >| >> >| >> >| >> >| >> >| At 12:47 AM 5/23/00 EDT, you wrote: >> >| >In a message dated 05/22/2000 8:37:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >> >| >[email protected] writes: >> >| > >> >| ><< Unfortunately, we Natives have to have proof in order to enroll in >a >> >| > Federally recognized tribe. It does not mean we are not as good as >> >other >> >| > people, it's just the way things are. >> >| > >> >| > Carol Jean >> >> >| >I understand that we must have proof to enroll. My point is that we >> >don't >> >| >need proof to be Indian. >> >| > >> > >> >> >> ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >> Home Page: >> http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm >> Choctaw Chat: >> http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/chat.htm >> >> > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Home Page: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm >Choctaw Chat: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/chat.htm > > > Jim Morrison, Jr. [email protected] www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/

Hi Jim, You are welcome to ask any questions you want to here on the Chahta List. I'll do the very best that "I" can, to give you any answers that I know. Please don't feel like an outsider. I came home from the weekend to a mail box that was over flowing with people screaming at me! I had to move this conversation to this list, and get it off of the Choctaw Southeast list. When I started that list, I gave my word to the subscribers to do my best to keep it strictly on the subject of genealogy research. The reason I started "this list" is so everyone could talk and ask any questions or debate to their hearts content without disturbing the genealogy folks who do not care to read other topics. All I ask here on this list is that no one flame anyone else. Debating a subject is fine as long as we are learning together, and not getting mad at each other. In the middle of all that, I missed some of your questions. Would you mind asking again? :) Thank you Markie At 05:23 AM 05/25/2000 -0400, you wrote: >I don't see how this has gotten so out of control. I am trying to research >my family tree. In doing so, I was trying to find if there was any Indian >blood in our line. > >You folks who say you are of Indian blood have made me feel like a complete >outsider. I have asked a few questions for which I have been threaten with >being banned from this list and been fussed at for asking!! Why? Because >those who answered me are not in agreement and that starts a debate. > >I was not born with all the answers, so I must ask questions!! >