Well stated Linda! ----- Original Message ----- From: "mamalin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Blood Quantum, or Card Carrying > Dear Mr. Graywolf, > I think that your message was wonderful!!!!! Thank you for that , and > the kind words you said. Each of us card or no card are family and we should > treat each other as such. There will be disagreements between each other , > as that is the way this world goes.I myself think it would be a dull world > if we all agreeded on the same thing. > The most important thing we should all remember we are all brothers and > sisters and have the same creator. Kindness gets us so much farther in life > than anything. So all remember to treat each other as we want others to > treat us.(DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU!!!!!!)Not do > unto others before they do unto you......<):-) > I have been reading some of the e-mails that have been comming thru and > I do understand that it is easy to take things wrong on the net because > facial expression can't be seen on here...when someone is teasing you and > they have a smile added to the sentence it is so much easier to see that it > is a tease. Just remember to think how that person's facial expression would > be if they were standing face to face to you and talking to you and a lot of > this tension would be gone. > I am Choctaw ,but as yet don't have my card, but that doesn't take any > of my Indian from me. I feel just as a part of the tribe and one day hope to > have myself and my children and grandchildren with a card. I do hope I > haven't offended anyone by anything I have said here. I just thought it was > time I added my statement in here instead of reading and not getting into > the chat. > I hope everyone has a wonderful day and each and everyone will > remember we are all family. United we stand divided we fall........!!!!!! > Always, Linda in Texas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graywolf" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 7:36 AM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Blood Quantum, or Card Carrying > > > > I have been watching all of the postings about "card carrying Indians" and > > am deeply concerened that some feelings have been hurt. > > > > I write occasional pieces for Bishinik, our tribal newspaper and > frequently > > get requests from people who are trying to get their cards. So many times > > it just isn't possible for one reason or another. Within my own family, > > because my father's people chose to leave the trail of tears and come to > > Texas (and thus were not signers of the Dawes Treaty) I have a brother who > > cannot get his tribal card; yet I have one because my mother's people were > > signers to the treaty. That doesn't make him any less Indian than I am. > > > > Nevertheless, as has been pointed out, the card system was necessary > because > > of every nut who came along claiming to be "heap big chief Indian" and > > wanted tribal benefits. And the new agers cashing in on Indian crafts and > > medicine have been an abomination to us all. I teach classes in > comparative > > religion ... specifically "Native American Spirituality and Catholic > > Christianity." And, although I am a registered member of the Choctaw > Nation > > of Oklahoma, I still get threatening phone calls and letters from other > > tribal members who think I am a "wannabe" Indian cashing in on the tribe. > > Those of you who do not have cards need to understand the history of the > > tribal registry program in order to understand the on-going animosity to > the > > wannabes. > > > > On the other hand, we card holders need to understand that the U.S. Army > > destroyed exactly one half of the tribal rolls of the Mississippi band > > because they didn't want to feed them. Also, not all Choctaws signed the > > Dawes Treaty. Hundreds asked permission to immigrate to Mexico instead. > > They were denied permission by the Mexican government and most of those > > families did not get on the Oklahoma rolls; but they are still very much > > Indians, some full-blooded. Add to that number the hundreds who > disappeared > > into the brush rather than be dragged off to Oklahoma, who settled in > > Louisiana, Texas and Arkansas. My father's father often said that any > > Indian who settled in Oklahoma was a "camp-around-the-fort-Indian" and > that > > the true 'braves' resisted resettlement to government lands. > > > > Somewhere in all this there needs to be a great deal of compassion for all > > sides. Those people without any hope of getting their cards may still > attend > > pow-wows and keep company with the rest of the Native Americans. I know a > > nahollo who has no Indian blood at all; but he was so kind and gentle that > > the Indians at the pow-wows took him in as one of their own and he was > > ultimately adopted by one of the spirit leaders of the Comanche Indian > > Nation. Ont he other hand, he NEVER attempted to benefit financially from > > this association in any way and he never told anyone he was an Indian. > > > > If you don't have the card yet, don't give up hope. Keep tracing your > > ancestry. Use the census records and don't forget that the Native > Americans > > were listed on different cards placed at the end of the local rolls so > they > > may not show up on the regular records. (Soundex should locate them, > > however.) And I would hope that we card holders can show some compassion > > here in dealing with the others. > > > > God's blessings. > > > > Lucas Graywolf > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > To Unsubscribe: > > Send msg. to [email protected] > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... 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Thank you Mr. Graywolf, I do hope everyone thought about what you said and what I said. I hope you have a wonderful day and all on this list does too...byeeeee for now.......<):-)>........Linda in Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graywolf" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Blood Quantum, or Card Carrying > Well stated Linda! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mamalin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Blood Quantum, or Card Carrying > > > > Dear Mr. Graywolf, > > I think that your message was wonderful!!!!! Thank you for that , and > > the kind words you said. Each of us card or no card are family and we > should > > treat each other as such. There will be disagreements between each other , > > as that is the way this world goes.I myself think it would be a dull world > > if we all agreeded on the same thing. > > The most important thing we should all remember we are all brothers > and > > sisters and have the same creator. Kindness gets us so much farther in > life > > than anything. So all remember to treat each other as we want others to > > treat us.(DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU!!!!!!)Not do > > unto others before they do unto you......<):-) > > I have been reading some of the e-mails that have been comming thru > and > > I do understand that it is easy to take things wrong on the net because > > facial expression can't be seen on here...when someone is teasing you and > > they have a smile added to the sentence it is so much easier to see that > it > > is a tease. Just remember to think how that person's facial expression > would > > be if they were standing face to face to you and talking to you and a lot > of > > this tension would be gone. > > I am Choctaw ,but as yet don't have my card, but that doesn't take any > > of my Indian from me. I feel just as a part of the tribe and one day hope > to > > have myself and my children and grandchildren with a card. I do hope I > > haven't offended anyone by anything I have said here. I just thought it > was > > time I added my statement in here instead of reading and not getting into > > the chat. > > I hope everyone has a wonderful day and each and everyone will > > remember we are all family. United we stand divided we fall........!!!!!! > > Always, Linda in Texas > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graywolf" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 7:36 AM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Blood Quantum, or Card Carrying > > > > > > > I have been watching all of the postings about "card carrying Indians" > and > > > am deeply concerened that some feelings have been hurt. > > > > > > I write occasional pieces for Bishinik, our tribal newspaper and > > frequently > > > get requests from people who are trying to get their cards. So many > times > > > it just isn't possible for one reason or another. Within my own family, > > > because my father's people chose to leave the trail of tears and come to > > > Texas (and thus were not signers of the Dawes Treaty) I have a brother > who > > > cannot get his tribal card; yet I have one because my mother's people > were > > > signers to the treaty. That doesn't make him any less Indian than I am. > > > > > > Nevertheless, as has been pointed out, the card system was necessary > > because > > > of every nut who came along claiming to be "heap big chief Indian" and > > > wanted tribal benefits. And the new agers cashing in on Indian crafts > and > > > medicine have been an abomination to us all. I teach classes in > > comparative > > > religion ... specifically "Native American Spirituality and Catholic > > > Christianity." And, although I am a registered member of the Choctaw > > Nation > > > of Oklahoma, I still get threatening phone calls and letters from other > > > tribal members who think I am a "wannabe" Indian cashing in on the > tribe. > > > Those of you who do not have cards need to understand the history of the > > > tribal registry program in order to understand the on-going animosity to > > the > > > wannabes. > > > > > > On the other hand, we card holders need to understand that the U.S. Army > > > destroyed exactly one half of the tribal rolls of the Mississippi band > > > because they didn't want to feed them. Also, not all Choctaws signed > the > > > Dawes Treaty. Hundreds asked permission to immigrate to Mexico instead. > > > They were denied permission by the Mexican government and most of those > > > families did not get on the Oklahoma rolls; but they are still very much > > > Indians, some full-blooded. Add to that number the hundreds who > > disappeared > > > into the brush rather than be dragged off to Oklahoma, who settled in > > > Louisiana, Texas and Arkansas. My father's father often said that any > > > Indian who settled in Oklahoma was a "camp-around-the-fort-Indian" and > > that > > > the true 'braves' resisted resettlement to government lands. > > > > > > Somewhere in all this there needs to be a great deal of compassion for > all > > > sides. Those people without any hope of getting their cards may still > > attend > > > pow-wows and keep company with the rest of the Native Americans. I know > a > > > nahollo who has no Indian blood at all; but he was so kind and gentle > that > > > the Indians at the pow-wows took him in as one of their own and he was > > > ultimately adopted by one of the spirit leaders of the Comanche Indian > > > Nation. Ont he other hand, he NEVER attempted to benefit financially > from > > > this association in any way and he never told anyone he was an Indian. > > > > > > If you don't have the card yet, don't give up hope. Keep tracing your > > > ancestry. Use the census records and don't forget that the Native > > Americans > > > were listed on different cards placed at the end of the local rolls so > > they > > > may not show up on the regular records. (Soundex should locate them, > > > however.) And I would hope that we card holders can show some > compassion > > > here in dealing with the others. > > > > > > God's blessings. > > > > > > Lucas Graywolf > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > To Unsubscribe: > > > Send msg. to [email protected] > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > To Unsubscribe: > > Send msg. to [email protected] > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >