In a message dated 5/24/00 1:49:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Thank you, you hit the nail on the head! You are exactly correct. As a "non card carrying" Indian myself, who hangs out with. from full bloods all the way down to a little bit of blood.... and from many different tribes... some are elders on the council of their tribes. I have always been treated with respect for who I am, not my blood quantum. Not once have I been asked "do you have a CDIB card?"... not once have I been asked "how much blood are you?"... nor.. "are you a real Indian?" You're right when you say you can spot someone who has been watching to many movies! The people I know, talk just like everyone else. I have spent time in many of their homes, and they are just the same! Everyone laughs, and talks normal just like me. <G> Well... OK... I may sound a little bit more country than some of them! haha Markie >> Markie, do you not want a CDIB card? If you don't, that is perfectly all right. I think that people can and should become active in active in a tribal community if they live in close proximity. What bothers me about your post is that you say you can spot someone who has "seen a lot of movies." I'm not sure just what that means. For one who has seen lots of movies, you may remember a movie called, "Exodus." In it Peter Lawford, portraying a British officer, is talking to Paul Newman, impersonating a British officer. Lawford tells News that he can "spot a Jew a mile away." Newman is chuckling to himself, for the statement he has just heard. Maybe your full-blood and and other friends respect you but in the final analysis, if you are asked for some reason to back up your statement that you are Indian, you will be in the proverbial pickle. By the way, I belong to a state-recognized tribe in West Virginia (Applachian American Indians of West Virginia). I am not federally recognized yet, but working on it. Does that mean I will look down on others for not wanting or having their cards? Not one bit. What another wants to do is their business, but when I hear people who describe themselves as Indians and call others (who admittedly may be a might overzealous) "new agers" or "wannabees" because they don't have all of the right friends and aren't as knowledgable about Native ways, it becomes a bitter pill to swallow. Carol Jean

Carol Jean, I am not eligible according to the US Gov. to ever get a card. My ancestors came to Louisiana from MS. in 1840. They were not on any rolls anywhere that I have found. If they were, it was with Choctaw & Cherokee names, which I don't know at this time. Which doesn't matter anyway, as they did not live with any of the tribes at the time of the final rolls. Now, let's "play like" I could get a card. Ok, I have it... now, why would I need one? I don't need any of the medical advantagtes, I have my own medical insurance. I don't want to drive five hours to Broken Bow to the nearest Clinic when I can see my Doctor here at home. I don't want to live in Oklahoma, so I don't need the housing. Education? Well, I'm 54 and don't plan on going to college at this late date. My children are registered members of the Osage Nation of Oklahoma, but when one of my daughters applied for college money, she turned it down, because she didn't want to go to the colleges that they said she had to go to. She wanted to go here in Louisiana. So I didn't use the education money. Maybe someone needs to tell me the advantages of having a card that I don't know about???? The point I'm trying to make is the fact that having a CDIB card will not change one single thing in my life one way or the other. I would not trade my parents for any other, or grandparents, or ancestors. I am who I am! Nothing will, or can, change that fact. I have never worried over if I could get a card or not get a card. I am accepted in the Indian community as Indian, because of who I am, not because of the card in my purse. >Maybe your full-blood and and other friends respect you but in the final >analysis, if you are asked for some reason to back up your statement that you >are Indian, you will be in the proverbial pickle. Why on earth would I ever be asked to prove I am Indian? Who would care? No one that I know. I don't think I will ever go anyplace that I haven't already been, and no one has ever asked me to prove I am an Indian so far in my life! I don't feel the "need" to prove it to anybody. Simple....I know who I am! Wheither someone believes it or not doesn't matter to me, that's their problem, not mine. >What bothers me about your >post is that you say you can spot someone who has "seen a lot of movies." >I'm not sure just what that means. >but when I hear people who describe themselves as Indians and call >others (who admittedly may be a might overzealous) "new agers" or "wannabees" >because they don't have all of the right friends and aren't as knowledgable >about Native ways, it becomes a bitter pill to swallow. We are talking here, I guess, about a whole different topic. There are people who you will find at Pow Wows and gatherings of Indian people that "act" like they came from a movie, shall we say. They talk the "medicine man" talk. They think they know so much already, they are never open to learning the real ways, as they are to busy acting out what they read in a book or saw in a movie. They will talk endlessly about all the "Indian medicine ways" they know. That's why they are so easy to spot, they never shut their mouth! Some of the things they do, or say, is disrespectful to the traditions of Indian people. You get respect, when you show respect. You never walk up to a full blood elder of his tribe and start telling him all about his own tribe. I have seen this happen. You listen to HIM tell YOU about his tribe, out of respect for who he is. That's how a person learns. You listen to the ones who know. You respect where you are, who you are around, and what is going on. I don't know what else to say, It's just that simple. Markie At 05:15 PM 05/24/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Markie, do you not want a CDIB card? If you don't, that is perfectly all >right. I think that people can and should become active in active in a >tribal community if they live in close proximity. What bothers me about your >post is that you say you can spot someone who has "seen a lot of movies." >I'm not sure just what that means. > >For one who has seen lots of movies, you may remember a movie called, >"Exodus." >In it Peter Lawford, portraying a British officer, is talking to Paul Newman, >impersonating a British officer. Lawford tells News that he can "spot a Jew >a mile away." Newman is chuckling to himself, for the statement he has just >heard. > >Maybe your full-blood and and other friends respect you but in the final >analysis, if you are asked for some reason to back up your statement that you >are Indian, you will be in the proverbial pickle. > >By the way, I belong to a state-recognized tribe in West Virginia (Applachian >American Indians of West Virginia). I am not federally recognized yet, but >working on it. Does that mean I will look down on others for not wanting or >having their cards? Not one bit. What another wants to do is their >business, but when I hear people who describe themselves as Indians and call >others (who admittedly may be a might overzealous) "new agers" or "wannabees" >because they don't have all of the right friends and aren't as knowledgable >about Native ways, it becomes a bitter pill to swallow. > >Carol Jean

Hi! I thought some of that mail would get you going! Well said! Will you be a friend to a card carry Choctaw that knows next to nothing about being Choctaw. How is you daughter doing? How are the grandbabies doing, Grandma? That includes your son and his babies. I am grateful for you getting the talk on Chahta!. Thank you very much. Take time ever once in a while to let me know how you guys are doing. I do care! Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Markie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Blood Quantum, or Card Carrying > Carol Jean, > > I am not eligible according to the US Gov. to ever get a card. My > ancestors came to Louisiana from MS. in 1840. They were not on any rolls > anywhere that I have found. If they were, it was with Choctaw & Cherokee > names, which I don't know at this time. Which doesn't matter anyway, as > they did not live with any of the tribes at the time of the final rolls. > > Now, let's "play like" I could get a card. Ok, I have it... now, why > would I need one? I don't need any of the medical advantagtes, I have my > own medical insurance. I don't want to drive five hours to Broken Bow to > the nearest Clinic when I can see my Doctor here at home. I don't want to > live in Oklahoma, so I don't need the housing. Education? Well, I'm 54 > and don't plan on going to college at this late date. My children are > registered members of the Osage Nation of Oklahoma, but when one of my > daughters applied for college money, she turned it down, because she didn't > want to go to the colleges that they said she had to go to. She wanted to > go here in Louisiana. So I didn't use the education money. Maybe someone > needs to tell me the advantages of having a card that I don't know about???? > > The point I'm trying to make is the fact that having a CDIB card will not > change one single thing in my life one way or the other. I would not trade > my parents for any other, or grandparents, or ancestors. I am who I am! > Nothing will, or can, change that fact. I have never worried over if I > could get a card or not get a card. I am accepted in the Indian community > as Indian, because of who I am, not because of the card in my purse. > > >Maybe your full-blood and and other friends respect you but in the final > >analysis, if you are asked for some reason to back up your statement that > you > >are Indian, you will be in the proverbial pickle. > > Why on earth would I ever be asked to prove I am Indian? Who would care? > No one that I know. I don't think I will ever go anyplace that I haven't > already been, and no one has ever asked me to prove I am an Indian so far > in my life! I don't feel the "need" to prove it to anybody. Simple....I > know who I am! Wheither someone believes it or not doesn't matter to me, > that's their problem, not mine. > > >What bothers me about your > >post is that you say you can spot someone who has "seen a lot of movies." > >I'm not sure just what that means. > > >but when I hear people who describe themselves as Indians and call > >others (who admittedly may be a might overzealous) "new agers" or > "wannabees" > >because they don't have all of the right friends and aren't as knowledgable > >about Native ways, it becomes a bitter pill to swallow. > > We are talking here, I guess, about a whole different topic. There are > people who you will find at Pow Wows and gatherings of Indian people that > "act" like they came from a movie, shall we say. They talk the "medicine > man" talk. They think they know so much already, they are never open to > learning the real ways, as they are to busy acting out what they read in a > book or saw in a movie. They will talk endlessly about all the "Indian > medicine ways" they know. That's why they are so easy to spot, they never > shut their mouth! Some of the things they do, or say, is disrespectful to > the traditions of Indian people. You get respect, when you show respect. > You never walk up to a full blood elder of his tribe and start telling him > all about his own tribe. I have seen this happen. You listen to HIM tell > YOU about his tribe, out of respect for who he is. That's how a person > learns. You listen to the ones who know. You respect where you are, who > you are around, and what is going on. I don't know what else to say, It's > just that simple. > > Markie > > At 05:15 PM 05/24/2000 EDT, you wrote: > >Markie, do you not want a CDIB card? If you don't, that is perfectly all > >right. I think that people can and should become active in active in a > >tribal community if they live in close proximity. What bothers me about > your > >post is that you say you can spot someone who has "seen a lot of movies." > >I'm not sure just what that means. > > > >For one who has seen lots of movies, you may remember a movie called, > >"Exodus." > >In it Peter Lawford, portraying a British officer, is talking to Paul > Newman, > >impersonating a British officer. Lawford tells News that he can "spot a Jew > >a mile away." Newman is chuckling to himself, for the statement he has just > >heard. > > > >Maybe your full-blood and and other friends respect you but in the final > >analysis, if you are asked for some reason to back up your statement that > you > >are Indian, you will be in the proverbial pickle. > > > >By the way, I belong to a state-recognized tribe in West Virginia > (Applachian > >American Indians of West Virginia). I am not federally recognized yet, but > >working on it. Does that mean I will look down on others for not wanting or > >having their cards? Not one bit. What another wants to do is their > >business, but when I hear people who describe themselves as Indians and call > >others (who admittedly may be a might overzealous) "new agers" or > "wannabees" > >because they don't have all of the right friends and aren't as knowledgable > >about Native ways, it becomes a bitter pill to swallow. > > > >Carol Jean > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

Markie, are you familiar with the Ebarb, LA band of Choctaw-Apache. Maybe they have some family records for you. Lucas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Markie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Blood Quantum, or Card Carrying > Carol Jean, > > I am not eligible according to the US Gov. to ever get a card. My > ancestors came to Louisiana from MS. in 1840. They were not on any rolls > anywhere that I have found. If they were, it was with Choctaw & Cherokee > names, which I don't know at this time. Which doesn't matter anyway, as > they did not live with any of the tribes at the time of the final rolls. > > Now, let's "play like" I could get a card. Ok, I have it... now, why > would I need one? I don't need any of the medical advantagtes, I have my > own medical insurance. I don't want to drive five hours to Broken Bow to > the nearest Clinic when I can see my Doctor here at home. I don't want to > live in Oklahoma, so I don't need the housing. Education? Well, I'm 54 > and don't plan on going to college at this late date. My children are > registered members of the Osage Nation of Oklahoma, but when one of my > daughters applied for college money, she turned it down, because she didn't > want to go to the colleges that they said she had to go to. She wanted to > go here in Louisiana. So I didn't use the education money. Maybe someone > needs to tell me the advantages of having a card that I don't know about???? > > The point I'm trying to make is the fact that having a CDIB card will not > change one single thing in my life one way or the other. I would not trade > my parents for any other, or grandparents, or ancestors. I am who I am! > Nothing will, or can, change that fact. I have never worried over if I > could get a card or not get a card. I am accepted in the Indian community > as Indian, because of who I am, not because of the card in my purse. > > >Maybe your full-blood and and other friends respect you but in the final > >analysis, if you are asked for some reason to back up your statement that > you > >are Indian, you will be in the proverbial pickle. > > Why on earth would I ever be asked to prove I am Indian? Who would care? > No one that I know. I don't think I will ever go anyplace that I haven't > already been, and no one has ever asked me to prove I am an Indian so far > in my life! I don't feel the "need" to prove it to anybody. Simple....I > know who I am! Wheither someone believes it or not doesn't matter to me, > that's their problem, not mine. > > >What bothers me about your > >post is that you say you can spot someone who has "seen a lot of movies." > >I'm not sure just what that means. > > >but when I hear people who describe themselves as Indians and call > >others (who admittedly may be a might overzealous) "new agers" or > "wannabees" > >because they don't have all of the right friends and aren't as knowledgable > >about Native ways, it becomes a bitter pill to swallow. > > We are talking here, I guess, about a whole different topic. There are > people who you will find at Pow Wows and gatherings of Indian people that > "act" like they came from a movie, shall we say. They talk the "medicine > man" talk. They think they know so much already, they are never open to > learning the real ways, as they are to busy acting out what they read in a > book or saw in a movie. They will talk endlessly about all the "Indian > medicine ways" they know. That's why they are so easy to spot, they never > shut their mouth! Some of the things they do, or say, is disrespectful to > the traditions of Indian people. You get respect, when you show respect. > You never walk up to a full blood elder of his tribe and start telling him > all about his own tribe. I have seen this happen. You listen to HIM tell > YOU about his tribe, out of respect for who he is. That's how a person > learns. You listen to the ones who know. You respect where you are, who > you are around, and what is going on. I don't know what else to say, It's > just that simple. > > Markie > > At 05:15 PM 05/24/2000 EDT, you wrote: > >Markie, do you not want a CDIB card? If you don't, that is perfectly all > >right. I think that people can and should become active in active in a > >tribal community if they live in close proximity. What bothers me about > your > >post is that you say you can spot someone who has "seen a lot of movies." > >I'm not sure just what that means. > > > >For one who has seen lots of movies, you may remember a movie called, > >"Exodus." > >In it Peter Lawford, portraying a British officer, is talking to Paul > Newman, > >impersonating a British officer. Lawford tells News that he can "spot a Jew > >a mile away." Newman is chuckling to himself, for the statement he has just > >heard. > > > >Maybe your full-blood and and other friends respect you but in the final > >analysis, if you are asked for some reason to back up your statement that > you > >are Indian, you will be in the proverbial pickle. > > > >By the way, I belong to a state-recognized tribe in West Virginia > (Applachian > >American Indians of West Virginia). I am not federally recognized yet, but > >working on it. Does that mean I will look down on others for not wanting or > >having their cards? Not one bit. What another wants to do is their > >business, but when I hear people who describe themselves as Indians and call > >others (who admittedly may be a might overzealous) "new agers" or > "wannabees" > >because they don't have all of the right friends and aren't as knowledgable > >about Native ways, it becomes a bitter pill to swallow. > > > >Carol Jean > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

Carol Jean You stated: I think that people can and should become active in active in a > tribal community if they live in close proximity. What bothers me about your > post is that you say you can spot someone who has "seen a lot of movies." > I'm not sure just what that means. What this means is people who go around pretending that they are the people they see on the movies, that is their "idea" of what it is to be Indian. In reality it is very far from it. They try to talk in a different way when they are "playing Indian" then monday morning in the office the speak with pure anglo saxton english. (which by the way most Indian people also do.) Maybe your full-blood and and other friends respect you but in the final analysis, if you are asked for some reason to back up your statement that you are Indian, you will be in the proverbial pickle. No she will not be. When one is true it shines through, I would bet my life on the full blood friends I have, those "provable" with 1/236 degree of blood. True Indian people do not play the games that you see in our society today, unless they have chosen to walk the white road. Then you can bank on them doing just what everyone else might do, there do the term "apple" red on the outside white on the inside. I hear people who describe themselves as Indians and call others (who admittedly may be a might overzealous) "new agers" or "wannabees" because they don't have all of the right friends and aren't as knowledgable about Native ways, it becomes a bitter pill to swallow. It has nothing to do with who ones friends are, knowledge of OUR OWN tribal ways is obtainable if one is willing to be in the right state of mind. Be respectful, when someone tries to teach us, we should listen and learn & not get our nose out of joint because something said rubs us the wrong way (because we do not understand it). Sometimes Indian people are VERY blunt and many have a very dry sense of humor. When we take everything as though the teller is picking on us, then the doors of our mind are shut and we will never understand what is being said. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Blood Quantum, or Card Carrying > In a message dated 5/24/00 1:49:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << > Thank you, you hit the nail on the head! You are exactly correct. As a > "non card carrying" Indian myself, who hangs out with. from full bloods > all the way down to a little bit of blood.... and from many different > tribes... some are elders on the council of their tribes. I have always > been treated with respect for who I am, not my blood quantum. Not once > have I been asked "do you have a CDIB card?"... not once have I been asked > "how much blood are you?"... nor.. "are you a real Indian?" You're right > when you say you can spot someone who has been watching to many movies! > The people I know, talk just like everyone else. I have spent time in many > of their homes, and they are just the same! Everyone laughs, and talks > normal just like me. <G> Well... OK... I may sound a little bit more > country than some of them! haha > > Markie > >> > > > Markie, do you not want a CDIB card? If you don't, that is perfectly all > right. I think that people can and should become active in active in a > tribal community if they live in close proximity. What bothers me about your > post is that you say you can spot someone who has "seen a lot of movies." > I'm not sure just what that means. > > For one who has seen lots of movies, you may remember a movie called, > "Exodus." > In it Peter Lawford, portraying a British officer, is talking to Paul Newman, > impersonating a British officer. Lawford tells News that he can "spot a Jew > a mile away." Newman is chuckling to himself, for the statement he has just > heard. > > Maybe your full-blood and and other friends respect you but in the final > analysis, if you are asked for some reason to back up your statement that you > are Indian, you will be in the proverbial pickle. > > By the way, I belong to a state-recognized tribe in West Virginia (Applachian > American Indians of West Virginia). I am not federally recognized yet, but > working on it. Does that mean I will look down on others for not wanting or > having their cards? Not one bit. What another wants to do is their > business, but when I hear people who describe themselves as Indians and call > others (who admittedly may be a might overzealous) "new agers" or "wannabees" > because they don't have all of the right friends and aren't as knowledgable > about Native ways, it becomes a bitter pill to swallow. > > Carol Jean > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >