The powwows around here (LeFlore County, Oklahoma)are intertribal...the traditional Choctaw dancing is a whole different thing. Choctaws have only recently begun to participate more in the powwows, and the main dance is the gourd dance around here.Our powwows are generally very small, which I personally like.The last big powwow I went to was in Austin, Tx and that was intertribal.They had all the dances, competitions, etc.There were very few Choctaws in attendance, and fewer dancing. B. -- On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:09:33 cctraders wrote: >I was not aware of the thing about only the head lady having a fan. But >then unfortunately I was not raised around my Choctaw people. Have only been >trying to catch up on the things I missed for the last few years. I think >the difference comes if you are talking about a dance held in the specific >old Choctaw way or if you are talking powwow. For the most part powwows are >intertribal and have certain 'standard' codes that you can adjust slightly >to show your personal heritage. Like the ladies wearing a dress that >reflects their tribe but also carrying the shawl that enhances the steps of >the dance with its sway and the fan for show as well as comfort. >Cathy >----- Original Message ----- >From: Val <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 11:16 AM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dance Fans > > >> I have to agree. >> I love it all. I feel that we always enjoyed fashion, the Choctaw were >> great traders. >> A fan is necessary for me. I get so hot dancing I need to fan myself. I >> think we always adjusted to what we liked. The fan in the old days more >> than likely did give the head woman dancer some special place that >paricular >> dance night, eh? >> Val >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Graywolf" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 7:49 AM >> Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dance Fans >> >> >> > Barbie is right about the fans. But for the past 30 years so many >tribal >> > members are traveling to pow-wows that we have started to intermingle >our >> > regalia. The only thing that still sets us apart is the cotton >"Southern" >> > women's dresses with the yoke. In one of my articles for Bishinik I >> > commented that much of our ery early clothing styles were exactly the >same >> > as the plains tribes. Early paintings of our people show the men wearing >> > only loin clothes and skins shirts and the women wearing skin dresses. >But >> > the Southern cotton granny dress changed much of that for our women. >> > >> > Nevertheless, as our young people travel around the country to pow-wows >> the >> > clothing all starts to look the same for ALL tribes again and as our >> > children intermarry with men and women from other tribes, we are slowly >> > adding real meaning to the expression, "blood brothers." >> > >> > Lucas Graywolf >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "The Peddicords" <[email protected]> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 9:27 AM >> > Subject: [CHAHTA] Dance Fans >> > >> > >> > > I was under the impression that dance fans were a plains nations >thingy >> > for >> > > everyone and that in the SE nations only persons of importance used >them >> > > like a alikchi. Do not as a younger remember seeing them carried by >> women. >> > > But then in fifty years things do change. Barbie >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >> > > Choctaw Home Page: >> > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >> > Choctaw Home Page: >> > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm >> > >> >> >> ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >> To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L: >> Send msg. to [email protected] >> Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes >> Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >> > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Choctaw Home Page: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com