Basically, it is an old prophecy given to the Lakotas and their brothers, that White Buffalo Calf Woman, the spirit who gave them their pipe and other sacraments, would return in the form of a white buffalo. When that happend, the culture of the Indian people would again arise and native people would again become the dominant culture/guiding force of this continent. There has been no female white buffalo born in the US since "Miracle", who was born on a northern farm about 6-7 years ago (???). Can't remember what state. There have been white male buffaloes, the last was seen in Yosemite during the 30's I believe, but never a female. These are not albinos, as they have dark eyes and hoofs, just an aborration of nature that crops up rarely. It is my understanding that she has been recognized by the elders and medicine people of the Lakotas as being the fulfillment of that prophecy. I've not personally seen her, but the news that filters down to us is that she is fulfilling prophecy by turning the four colors of man. She was born white, then turned yellow, is now brown, but is expected to mature to a black color. The farmer who owns her has made a place for those visiting her and making offerings to do so. He has promised not to kill her. We heard a rumor down here that she had been killed by an outsider, found shot to death in her corral, but don't know if that's true or not. I certainly hope not, but knowing the state of the country today I wouldn't be surprised. That's all I know. Perhaps those closer to her or perhaps someone who has visited her can add more. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Branum <mamalin@1s.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo > Dusty, > Will you please explain the legend of the white buffalo to the new ones on > the list or give us a URL to go to that would explain it. I know the legend > but some might not. > Thanks in advance. > Regards, Linda Kirby Branum > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:04 AM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > Yes Sonja, the white buffalo has come. Welcome to our circle and please > > continue your input. > > > > dusty > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Sonja Tashman <sonja_tashman@hotmail.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:22 AM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > Halito to all, > > > Maybe I am wrong and I am sure I will be corrected if so LOL, but it > seems > > > to me that in a round about way the prophecy of the Indian people once > > again > > > getting back all that belonged to them may, in a way, involve not the > > actual > > > possession of material possessions, but getting back to the old ways and > > > beliefs? And if this may be true, then would it not matter that the > > Nations > > > be full bloods or mixed bloods? Again I say I may be wrong and fully > > > prepared to be so but, I only know that even though I may be lighter > than > > > most full bloods, my blood, heart and soul is the same as all my > > relations > > > from generations back. > > > > > > Sonja > > > > > > > > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:36:28 -0700 > > > > > > > >Halito Barbara, Gemma And Dusty > > > > Last night I was talking to my nephew about the problem that we are > > > >having > > > >of our kids getting involved with gangs and such. I was looking back on > > my > > > >life and the road that I took and tried to explain why It took that > > course. > > > >In my experience I believe Indian people have a innerself that needs to > > be > > > >a > > > >part of a tribe, this is our makeup our genetic being and our ancestors > > > >survival trait. In this day and age a lot of us being removed from the > > > >tribal closeness that were searching for took a lot of different roads. > > > >Luckly some of us finally found the Red road and are coming back to the > > > >home > > > >fires of our people. > > > > When the rest finally find their way back we need to be there to help > > > >them. > > > > For seven generations > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > >>From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > > >>Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > >>To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > >>Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > >>Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:01:33 -0500 > > > >> > > > >>Those who have grown up in Indian communities but seem to have no > > > >>knowledge > > > >>of their own spirituality are still aware of something inside that is > > > >>different, even if they don't know what it is.(Because of the thick > > > >>assimilation) > > > >>And it is my hope that more of our people will recognise that we are > not > > > >>"second class" and that our spirituality is not just a matter of > > > >>"beliefs", > > > >>and that it is not "inferior" to the spirituality any other race of > > > >>people...It is also my hope that those non-Indians who can learn a > > better > > > >>way of living in balance from Indians, or whoever, will do so... > > > >>B. > > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > > >>From: "Gemma West" <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > >>To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:35 PM > > > >>Subject: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > What has happened for many people is that they wander through life > > > >>trying > > > >>to > > > >> > figure out what is wrong...trying to figure out why they don't fit > > in. > > > >> > Attempts are made to mold themselves into someone else's defintions > > of > > > >>good > > > >> > and bad. These attempts fail. Finally that person decides to look > > to > > > >>their > > > >> > ancestors. They find themselves. They finally feel comfortable. > It > > > >>is > > > >> > obvious to all that ancestors shape our biological characteristics. > > It > > > >>is > > > >> > obvious to me that ancestors shape our spirituality. The sad thing > > is > > > >>that > > > >> > sometimes the assimilation is so thick that you can grow up around > > > >>Indians > > > >>and > > > >> > still not know your own spirituality. The beautiful thing is > finding > > > >>the > > > >>few > > > >> > who have refused assimilation and are willing to share knowledge. > > > >> > > > > >> > When non-Indian people ask to be allowed into the community it > causes > > > >>us > > > >>to > > > >> > question ourselves. Does community still exist? What are they > here > > to > > > >>get? > > > >> > Are we really different from them? I think the great thing about > this > > > >>reverse > > > >> > acculturation is that it is spurring some of us to re-embrace our > own > > > >> > ancestors. It is removing the shame that our elders had to live > > with. > > > >>This > > > >> > shame had no place and that is becoming clear to new generations. > If > > > >>we > > > >>can > > > >> > influence people to live a balanced life then that is a great > thing. > > > >>After > > > >> > all, our children and their children will have to live in a world > > > >>shaped > > > >>by > > > >> > the parents. We can not afford to be selfish with principles of > > > >>balance. > > > >>It > > > >> > seems that they need these principles much more than we do. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> wrote: > > > >> > "Our spirituality" is not "just an idea" and it is not something we > > > >>went > > > >>to > > > >> > class and learned somewhere, or got off the internet...it is born > in > > us > > > >> > (which is obvious to those Indians who were raised surrounded by a > > > >>white > > > >> > society) and a non-Indian may be able to learn from us some things, > > but > > > >>they > > > >> > cannot "acquire" what they are not born with, and their attempts to > > put > > > >> > themselves on an "equal footing", with Indians, so to speak, is at > > best > > > >> > futile...and at worst, an attempt at cultural theft... > > > >> > B. > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > >> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:59 PM > > > >> > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > I shall play devil's advocate again and expose my rear to > > everyone's > > > >> > slings > > > >> > > and arrows... > > > >> > > > > > >> > > What about those people who do not "want to be NA", but just > think > > > >>our > > > >> > > spirituality, philosophy and way of life is a good idea. I've > had > > > >> > countless > > > >> > > elders tell me, "I don't care what kind of blood you have, as > long > > as > > > >>it's > > > >> > > human". Just because an Anglo wants to practice our ways because > > it > > > >>works > > > >> > > for them, doesn't mean they deserve to be belittled by a > derogatory > > > >>name. > > > >> > > Are there really that many among us that are so arrogant to do > so. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Where did we ever get the idea that that we were so exclusive? > > Isn't > > > >>that > > > >> > > TRUE racism? > > > >> > > > > > >> > > dusty > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > >> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:45 PM > > > >> > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Elkdreamer, Where did the term come from? Arla > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > >> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:38 PM > > > >> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Halito Fay > > > >> > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no Indian > > blood > > > >>at > > > >> > all > > > >> > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > >> > > > > Elkdreamer > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > >> > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > >> > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > >> > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the > > > >>quotes > > > >> > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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i had a white buffalo once, bought it in okla city ----- Original Message ----- From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo > Basically, it is an old prophecy given to the Lakotas and their brothers, > that White Buffalo Calf Woman, the spirit who gave them their pipe and other > sacraments, would return in the form of a white buffalo. When that happend, > the culture of the Indian people would again arise and native people would > again become the dominant culture/guiding force of this continent. > > There has been no female white buffalo born in the US since "Miracle", who > was born on a northern farm about 6-7 years ago (???). Can't remember what > state. There have been white male buffaloes, the last was seen in Yosemite > during the 30's I believe, but never a female. These are not albinos, as > they have dark eyes and hoofs, just an aborration of nature that crops up > rarely. > > It is my understanding that she has been recognized by the elders and > medicine people of the Lakotas as being the fulfillment of that prophecy. > I've not personally seen her, but the news that filters down to us is that > she is fulfilling prophecy by turning the four colors of man. She was born > white, then turned yellow, is now brown, but is expected to mature to a > black color. The farmer who owns her has made a place for those visiting > her and making offerings to do so. He has promised not to kill her. > > We heard a rumor down here that she had been killed by an outsider, found > shot to death in her corral, but don't know if that's true or not. I > certainly hope not, but knowing the state of the country today I wouldn't be > surprised. That's all I know. Perhaps those closer to her or perhaps > someone who has visited her can add more. > > dusty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Linda Branum <mamalin@1s.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:33 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo > > > > Dusty, > > Will you please explain the legend of the white buffalo to the new ones > on > > the list or give us a URL to go to that would explain it. I know the > legend > > but some might not. > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, Linda Kirby Branum > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:04 AM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > Yes Sonja, the white buffalo has come. Welcome to our circle and please > > > continue your input. > > > > > > dusty > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Sonja Tashman <sonja_tashman@hotmail.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:22 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > Halito to all, > > > > Maybe I am wrong and I am sure I will be corrected if so LOL, but it > > seems > > > > to me that in a round about way the prophecy of the Indian people once > > > again > > > > getting back all that belonged to them may, in a way, involve not the > > > actual > > > > possession of material possessions, but getting back to the old ways > and > > > > beliefs? And if this may be true, then would it not matter that the > > > Nations > > > > be full bloods or mixed bloods? Again I say I may be wrong and fully > > > > prepared to be so but, I only know that even though I may be lighter > > than > > > > most full bloods, my blood, heart and soul is the same as all my > > > relations > > > > from generations back. > > > > > > > > Sonja > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:36:28 -0700 > > > > > > > > > >Halito Barbara, Gemma And Dusty > > > > > Last night I was talking to my nephew about the problem that we are > > > > >having > > > > >of our kids getting involved with gangs and such. I was looking back > on > > > my > > > > >life and the road that I took and tried to explain why It took that > > > course. > > > > >In my experience I believe Indian people have a innerself that needs > to > > > be > > > > >a > > > > >part of a tribe, this is our makeup our genetic being and our > ancestors > > > > >survival trait. In this day and age a lot of us being removed from > the > > > > >tribal closeness that were searching for took a lot of different > roads. > > > > >Luckly some of us finally found the Red road and are coming back to > the > > > > >home > > > > >fires of our people. > > > > > When the rest finally find their way back we need to be there to > help > > > > >them. > > > > > For seven generations > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > >>From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > > > >>Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >>To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >>Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > >>Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:01:33 -0500 > > > > >> > > > > >>Those who have grown up in Indian communities but seem to have no > > > > >>knowledge > > > > >>of their own spirituality are still aware of something inside that > is > > > > >>different, even if they don't know what it is.(Because of the thick > > > > >>assimilation) > > > > >>And it is my hope that more of our people will recognise that we are > > not > > > > >>"second class" and that our spirituality is not just a matter of > > > > >>"beliefs", > > > > >>and that it is not "inferior" to the spirituality any other race of > > > > >>people...It is also my hope that those non-Indians who can learn a > > > better > > > > >>way of living in balance from Indians, or whoever, will do so... > > > > >>B. > > > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > > > >>From: "Gemma West" <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > > >>To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:35 PM > > > > >>Subject: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > What has happened for many people is that they wander through > life > > > > >>trying > > > > >>to > > > > >> > figure out what is wrong...trying to figure out why they don't > fit > > > in. > > > > >> > Attempts are made to mold themselves into someone else's > defintions > > > of > > > > >>good > > > > >> > and bad. These attempts fail. Finally that person decides to > look > > > to > > > > >>their > > > > >> > ancestors. They find themselves. They finally feel comfortable. > > It > > > > >>is > > > > >> > obvious to all that ancestors shape our biological > characteristics. > > > It > > > > >>is > > > > >> > obvious to me that ancestors shape our spirituality. The sad > thing > > > is > > > > >>that > > > > >> > sometimes the assimilation is so thick that you can grow up > around > > > > >>Indians > > > > >>and > > > > >> > still not know your own spirituality. The beautiful thing is > > finding > > > > >>the > > > > >>few > > > > >> > who have refused assimilation and are willing to share knowledge. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > When non-Indian people ask to be allowed into the community it > > causes > > > > >>us > > > > >>to > > > > >> > question ourselves. Does community still exist? What are they > > here > > > to > > > > >>get? > > > > >> > Are we really different from them? I think the great thing about > > this > > > > >>reverse > > > > >> > acculturation is that it is spurring some of us to re-embrace our > > own > > > > >> > ancestors. It is removing the shame that our elders had to live > > > with. > > > > >>This > > > > >> > shame had no place and that is becoming clear to new generations. > > If > > > > >>we > > > > >>can > > > > >> > influence people to live a balanced life then that is a great > > thing. > > > > >>After > > > > >> > all, our children and their children will have to live in a world > > > > >>shaped > > > > >>by > > > > >> > the parents. We can not afford to be selfish with principles of > > > > >>balance. > > > > >>It > > > > >> > seems that they need these principles much more than we do. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> wrote: > > > > >> > "Our spirituality" is not "just an idea" and it is not something > we > > > > >>went > > > > >>to > > > > >> > class and learned somewhere, or got off the internet...it is born > > in > > > us > > > > >> > (which is obvious to those Indians who were raised surrounded by > a > > > > >>white > > > > >> > society) and a non-Indian may be able to learn from us some > things, > > > but > > > > >>they > > > > >> > cannot "acquire" what they are not born with, and their attempts > to > > > put > > > > >> > themselves on an "equal footing", with Indians, so to speak, is > at > > > best > > > > >> > futile...and at worst, an attempt at cultural theft... > > > > >> > B. > > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > >> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:59 PM > > > > >> > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > I shall play devil's advocate again and expose my rear to > > > everyone's > > > > >> > slings > > > > >> > > and arrows... > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > What about those people who do not "want to be NA", but just > > think > > > > >>our > > > > >> > > spirituality, philosophy and way of life is a good idea. I've > > had > > > > >> > countless > > > > >> > > elders tell me, "I don't care what kind of blood you have, as > > long > > > as > > > > >>it's > > > > >> > > human". Just because an Anglo wants to practice our ways > because > > > it > > > > >>works > > > > >> > > for them, doesn't mean they deserve to be belittled by a > > derogatory > > > > >>name. > > > > >> > > Are there really that many among us that are so arrogant to do > > so. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Where did we ever get the idea that that we were so exclusive? > > > Isn't > > > > >>that > > > > >> > > TRUE racism? > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > dusty > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > > >> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:45 PM > > > > >> > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Elkdreamer, Where did the term come from? Arla > > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > >> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:38 PM > > > > >> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Halito Fay > > > > >> > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no Indian > > > blood > > > > >>at > > > > >> > all > > > > >> > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > >> > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > >> > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > >> > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > >> > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without > the > > > > >>quotes > > > > >> > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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Thanks so much Dusty, I know that lots of new ones might not have heard that wonderful story. For some reason I think I saw it on the Isaah one but I don't have that URL addy. Regards, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo > Basically, it is an old prophecy given to the Lakotas and their brothers, > that White Buffalo Calf Woman, the spirit who gave them their pipe and other > sacraments, would return in the form of a white buffalo. When that happend, > the culture of the Indian people would again arise and native people would > again become the dominant culture/guiding force of this continent. > > There has been no female white buffalo born in the US since "Miracle", who > was born on a northern farm about 6-7 years ago (???). Can't remember what > state. There have been white male buffaloes, the last was seen in Yosemite > during the 30's I believe, but never a female. These are not albinos, as > they have dark eyes and hoofs, just an aborration of nature that crops up > rarely. > > It is my understanding that she has been recognized by the elders and > medicine people of the Lakotas as being the fulfillment of that prophecy. > I've not personally seen her, but the news that filters down to us is that > she is fulfilling prophecy by turning the four colors of man. She was born > white, then turned yellow, is now brown, but is expected to mature to a > black color. The farmer who owns her has made a place for those visiting > her and making offerings to do so. He has promised not to kill her. > > We heard a rumor down here that she had been killed by an outsider, found > shot to death in her corral, but don't know if that's true or not. I > certainly hope not, but knowing the state of the country today I wouldn't be > surprised. That's all I know. Perhaps those closer to her or perhaps > someone who has visited her can add more. > > dusty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Linda Branum <mamalin@1s.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:33 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo > > > > Dusty, > > Will you please explain the legend of the white buffalo to the new ones > on > > the list or give us a URL to go to that would explain it. I know the > legend > > but some might not. > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, Linda Kirby Branum > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:04 AM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > Yes Sonja, the white buffalo has come. Welcome to our circle and please > > > continue your input. > > > > > > dusty > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Sonja Tashman <sonja_tashman@hotmail.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:22 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > Halito to all, > > > > Maybe I am wrong and I am sure I will be corrected if so LOL, but it > > seems > > > > to me that in a round about way the prophecy of the Indian people once > > > again > > > > getting back all that belonged to them may, in a way, involve not the > > > actual > > > > possession of material possessions, but getting back to the old ways > and > > > > beliefs? And if this may be true, then would it not matter that the > > > Nations > > > > be full bloods or mixed bloods? Again I say I may be wrong and fully > > > > prepared to be so but, I only know that even though I may be lighter > > than > > > > most full bloods, my blood, heart and soul is the same as all my > > > relations > > > > from generations back. > > > > > > > > Sonja > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:36:28 -0700 > > > > > > > > > >Halito Barbara, Gemma And Dusty > > > > > Last night I was talking to my nephew about the problem that we are > > > > >having > > > > >of our kids getting involved with gangs and such. I was looking back > on > > > my > > > > >life and the road that I took and tried to explain why It took that > > > course. > > > > >In my experience I believe Indian people have a innerself that needs > to > > > be > > > > >a > > > > >part of a tribe, this is our makeup our genetic being and our > ancestors > > > > >survival trait. In this day and age a lot of us being removed from > the > > > > >tribal closeness that were searching for took a lot of different > roads. > > > > >Luckly some of us finally found the Red road and are coming back to > the > > > > >home > > > > >fires of our people. > > > > > When the rest finally find their way back we need to be there to > help > > > > >them. > > > > > For seven generations > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > >>From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > > > >>Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >>To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >>Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > >>Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:01:33 -0500 > > > > >> > > > > >>Those who have grown up in Indian communities but seem to have no > > > > >>knowledge > > > > >>of their own spirituality are still aware of something inside that > is > > > > >>different, even if they don't know what it is.(Because of the thick > > > > >>assimilation) > > > > >>And it is my hope that more of our people will recognise that we are > > not > > > > >>"second class" and that our spirituality is not just a matter of > > > > >>"beliefs", > > > > >>and that it is not "inferior" to the spirituality any other race of > > > > >>people...It is also my hope that those non-Indians who can learn a > > > better > > > > >>way of living in balance from Indians, or whoever, will do so... > > > > >>B. > > > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > > > >>From: "Gemma West" <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > > >>To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:35 PM > > > > >>Subject: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > What has happened for many people is that they wander through > life > > > > >>trying > > > > >>to > > > > >> > figure out what is wrong...trying to figure out why they don't > fit > > > in. > > > > >> > Attempts are made to mold themselves into someone else's > defintions > > > of > > > > >>good > > > > >> > and bad. These attempts fail. Finally that person decides to > look > > > to > > > > >>their > > > > >> > ancestors. They find themselves. They finally feel comfortable. > > It > > > > >>is > > > > >> > obvious to all that ancestors shape our biological > characteristics. > > > It > > > > >>is > > > > >> > obvious to me that ancestors shape our spirituality. The sad > thing > > > is > > > > >>that > > > > >> > sometimes the assimilation is so thick that you can grow up > around > > > > >>Indians > > > > >>and > > > > >> > still not know your own spirituality. The beautiful thing is > > finding > > > > >>the > > > > >>few > > > > >> > who have refused assimilation and are willing to share knowledge. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > When non-Indian people ask to be allowed into the community it > > causes > > > > >>us > > > > >>to > > > > >> > question ourselves. Does community still exist? What are they > > here > > > to > > > > >>get? > > > > >> > Are we really different from them? I think the great thing about > > this > > > > >>reverse > > > > >> > acculturation is that it is spurring some of us to re-embrace our > > own > > > > >> > ancestors. It is removing the shame that our elders had to live > > > with. > > > > >>This > > > > >> > shame had no place and that is becoming clear to new generations. > > If > > > > >>we > > > > >>can > > > > >> > influence people to live a balanced life then that is a great > > thing. > > > > >>After > > > > >> > all, our children and their children will have to live in a world > > > > >>shaped > > > > >>by > > > > >> > the parents. We can not afford to be selfish with principles of > > > > >>balance. > > > > >>It > > > > >> > seems that they need these principles much more than we do. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> wrote: > > > > >> > "Our spirituality" is not "just an idea" and it is not something > we > > > > >>went > > > > >>to > > > > >> > class and learned somewhere, or got off the internet...it is born > > in > > > us > > > > >> > (which is obvious to those Indians who were raised surrounded by > a > > > > >>white > > > > >> > society) and a non-Indian may be able to learn from us some > things, > > > but > > > > >>they > > > > >> > cannot "acquire" what they are not born with, and their attempts > to > > > put > > > > >> > themselves on an "equal footing", with Indians, so to speak, is > at > > > best > > > > >> > futile...and at worst, an attempt at cultural theft... > > > > >> > B. > > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > >> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:59 PM > > > > >> > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > I shall play devil's advocate again and expose my rear to > > > everyone's > > > > >> > slings > > > > >> > > and arrows... > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > What about those people who do not "want to be NA", but just > > think > > > > >>our > > > > >> > > spirituality, philosophy and way of life is a good idea. I've > > had > > > > >> > countless > > > > >> > > elders tell me, "I don't care what kind of blood you have, as > > long > > > as > > > > >>it's > > > > >> > > human". Just because an Anglo wants to practice our ways > because > > > it > > > > >>works > > > > >> > > for them, doesn't mean they deserve to be belittled by a > > derogatory > > > > >>name. > > > > >> > > Are there really that many among us that are so arrogant to do > > so. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Where did we ever get the idea that that we were so exclusive? > > > Isn't > > > > >>that > > > > >> > > TRUE racism? > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > dusty > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > > >> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:45 PM > > > > >> > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Elkdreamer, Where did the term come from? Arla > > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > >> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:38 PM > > > > >> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Halito Fay > > > > >> > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no Indian > > > blood > > > > >>at > > > > >> > all > > > > >> > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > >> > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > >> > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > >> > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > >> > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without > the > > > > >>quotes > > > > >> > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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