Yes it is Patsy The dust has the flesh and bones of our ancestors. Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: "Patsy Caleb" <studentarchaeologist@home.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 10:23:31 -0700 > >Even every speck of dust >----- Original Message ----- >From: Elkdreamer Wilkins <elkdremr@hotmail.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 8:44 AM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > Halito Jim > > The spirit of all is impornant. Every animal, Plant, bug, bird, bacteria > > etc: are part of the circle of life and must be respected as such. > > The prayer that we say, All my relations means. > > A-ho Grandfather > > A prayer for the four leggeged, two leggeged, winged and finned, >the > > tree nation's, the creeping and crawling. > > All my relations > > A-ho > > Walk in beauty > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 00:53:33 -0400 > > > > > >I am not a student of anthroplogy so I looked it up in the dictionary!! > > >anthropology = the study of man, esp. of variety, physical and cultural > > >characteristics, distribution, customs, social relationships, etc. of > > >mankind: often restricted to the study of the institutions, myths, etc. >of > > >nonliterate peoples. > > >Hmmmm > > >As for "Flight or Fight", I never thought of it as a "human" trait, but >as > > >an animal one. > > >You pray to the "sprit" of a cow, pig, chicken, egg, etc. for them >being >so > > >nice as to allow themselves to be killed so that you can eat them? >WOW!!! > > >Jim > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:34 PM > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > > > Halito Jim > > > > Grandfather is a term that we use in respect for the Creator of >life. > > > > And as a student of anthroplogy I also know about the flight or >fight > > > > reasoning that humans have. This instinct is what has enabled our > > >species > > > > to survive. The offering that I refer to is the respect that we give >to > > >the > > > > animals spirit and acknowledging that we all are part of the circle >of > > >life. > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:42:23 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >Elk > > > > >Is your "Grand Father" the same as mine? Who is your supreme being? > > > > > > > > > >An "offering" would be like a "gift". The only animal that has the > > > > >intelligence to make that decission is "MAN". We have a natural > > >instinct > > > > >called "Flight or Fight". All "animals" will rather fight than >die!! > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 6:19 AM > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Jim > > > > > > #1 question > > > > > > Another word for the supreme being > > > > > > #2 the offering of its life > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 01:23:34 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Two quick questions: > > > > > > >1) Who is "Grand Father"? > > > > > > >2) The ANIMAL is giving an offering when IT is killed? > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > > > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > >Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 10:36 PM > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Dennis > > > > > > > > I am sorry if I offended you in anyway. My intrest is in >all > > > > >things > > > > > > > > Choctaw. and Spirituality is one of the aspects of it. To > > >understand > > > > > > >Indian > > > > > > > > people you have to dig deep into their thought pattern. When > > >they > > > > >killed > > > > > > > > animals for food and clothing they said a prayer To >Grandfather > > >for > > > > >the > > > > > > > > offering that the animal gave and gave respect to the animal > > >also. > > > > >When > > > > > > >they > > > > > > > > did beadwork they put part of their spirit in it also. when >a > > >object > > > > >was > > > > > > > > discarded it was done with respect. Spirtuality was >considered > > >in > > > > >all > > > > > > >things > > > > > > > > done. That is one of the reasons that the Europeans that >came > > >here > > > > > > > > misunderstood our people and their ways. > > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:56:57 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Message for Elkdreamer and Dusty: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regarding who subscribes to CHAHTA-L and why, permit me to > > >suggest > > > > >that > > > > > > > > >this list very likely has Choctaw and non-Choctaw >subscribers. > > > > >Among > > > > > > >both > > > > > > > > >groups, there are those who have an exclusive interest in > > >religion > > > > >all > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > >way to those who have an exclusive interest in some other > > >aspect > > >of > > > > > > >Choctaw > > > > > > > > >life but no interest at all in religion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In my case, I find Choctaw religious beliefs and the recent > > > > >discussion > > > > > > > > >surrounding them educational and thought provoking. >However, >my > > > > > > >personal > > > > > > > > >interest does not directly concern Choctaw religion. It is >very > > > > >narrow > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > >concerns central Mississippi, pre-removal Choctaw social >and > > >family > > > > > > > > >customs, very narrowly defined examples of the Choctaw >language > > >as > > > > > > >about > > > > > > > > >1800, relationships with early white settlers, trails and >paths > > > > > > >followed > > > > > > >by > > > > > > > > >these Choctaw in relationship to today's central >Mississippi > > >county > > > > > > > > >boundaries and the impact of removal on these same Choctaw >with > > > > > > >specific > > > > > > > > >emphasis on the Durant Choctaw clan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If I unsubscribe, which I will do one day (to return at a >later > > > > >date), > > > > > > >it > > > > > > > > >will have nothing to do with whether I do or do not "learn > > >other > > > > > > >religious > > > > > > > > >views," "heat in the kitchen" or "sensitive subjects." It >will > > >have > > > > > > > > >everything to do with the fact that I subscribe to about > > > > >thirty-five > > > > > > >lists, > > > > > > > > >receive mountains of email and have priorities on my time >and > > >my > > > > > > >interests > > > > > > > > >that are quite different than anyone else on this list - a > > >comment > > > > >that > > > > > > > > >about everyone of you can make. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Recognize that one of the wonderful aspects of CHAHTA-L (in > > > > >comparison > > > > > > >with > > > > > > > > >virtually all na hollo lists) is the diversity of thought, > > > > >background, > > > > > > > > >education and perspective it offers. Were I to make one > > >suggestion > > > > >to > > > > > > >those > > > > > > > > >of you who clearly dominate this list, please guard against > > > > >becoming > > > > > > >too > > > > > > > > >clannish lest the very diversity that enriches this site >might > > >in > > > > >time > > > > > > > > >vanish leaving something less in its wake than you enjoy >today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >At 08:50 AM 03/31/2001 -0800, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Halito Dusty and All list members > > > > > > > > >> I believe that we all have the right to believe in the >way > > >that > > > > >we > > > > > > >want > > > > > > > > >>to. And in this aspect the right to discuss our and each > > >others > > > > >views > > > > > > >in > > > > > > > > >>a intellegent and Adult way. Aparentlly the ones that left > > >will > > >in > > > > >no > > > > > > >way > > > > > > > > >>ever learn that there are other views than their own. Like >I > > >have > > > > > > >always > > > > > > > > >>been told if you can't stand the heat get out of the >kitchen. > > >I > > > > >guess > > > > > > > > >>that is what they did. Lets keep up the heat I'm having >fun. > > > > > > > > >> Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > > >> Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>>From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > > > > >>>Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >>>To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >>>Subject: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > >>>Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:38:58 -0600 > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>>We lost another 5 listmembers this morning. Don't know >for > > >what > > > > > > >reason. > > > > > > > > >>>While I suspect sensitive subject matter may be the >reason, > > >this > > > > >is > > > > > > >only > > > > > > > > >>>a > > > > > > > > >>>supposition on my part. I have absolutely no objection >to > > >the > > > > >topic > > > > > > > > >>>continuing if that's what you guys want. Among other > > > > >peculiarities > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > >>>character faults, I happen to wholeheartedly support the > > >First > > > > > > >Amendment > > > > > > > > >>>on > > > > > > > > >>>this particular topic. What do you guys think?? > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>>dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > >Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > > > > > >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? 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