You are right on the money about the prophecy Dusty *S*. I only hope that what you say about the white buffalo having come to such a sad end is only a rumor....the last time I remember seeing this Buffalo was on a television special. Sonja >From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:45:56 -0500 > >Basically, it is an old prophecy given to the Lakotas and their brothers, >that White Buffalo Calf Woman, the spirit who gave them their pipe and >other >sacraments, would return in the form of a white buffalo. When that >happend, >the culture of the Indian people would again arise and native people would >again become the dominant culture/guiding force of this continent. > >There has been no female white buffalo born in the US since "Miracle", who >was born on a northern farm about 6-7 years ago (???). Can't remember what >state. There have been white male buffaloes, the last was seen in Yosemite >during the 30's I believe, but never a female. These are not albinos, as >they have dark eyes and hoofs, just an aborration of nature that crops up >rarely. > > It is my understanding that she has been recognized by the elders and >medicine people of the Lakotas as being the fulfillment of that prophecy. >I've not personally seen her, but the news that filters down to us is that >she is fulfilling prophecy by turning the four colors of man. She was born >white, then turned yellow, is now brown, but is expected to mature to a >black color. The farmer who owns her has made a place for those visiting >her and making offerings to do so. He has promised not to kill her. > >We heard a rumor down here that she had been killed by an outsider, found >shot to death in her corral, but don't know if that's true or not. I >certainly hope not, but knowing the state of the country today I wouldn't >be >surprised. That's all I know. Perhaps those closer to her or perhaps >someone who has visited her can add more. > >dusty > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Linda Branum <mamalin@1s.net> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:33 PM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo > > > > Dusty, > > Will you please explain the legend of the white buffalo to the new >ones >on > > the list or give us a URL to go to that would explain it. I know the >legend > > but some might not. > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, Linda Kirby Branum > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:04 AM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > Yes Sonja, the white buffalo has come. Welcome to our circle and >please > > > continue your input. > > > > > > dusty > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Sonja Tashman <sonja_tashman@hotmail.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:22 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > Halito to all, > > > > Maybe I am wrong and I am sure I will be corrected if so LOL, but it > > seems > > > > to me that in a round about way the prophecy of the Indian people >once > > > again > > > > getting back all that belonged to them may, in a way, involve not >the > > > actual > > > > possession of material possessions, but getting back to the old ways >and > > > > beliefs? And if this may be true, then would it not matter that the > > > Nations > > > > be full bloods or mixed bloods? Again I say I may be wrong and fully > > > > prepared to be so but, I only know that even though I may be lighter > > than > > > > most full bloods, my blood, heart and soul is the same as all my > > > relations > > > > from generations back. > > > > > > > > Sonja > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:36:28 -0700 > > > > > > > > > >Halito Barbara, Gemma And Dusty > > > > > Last night I was talking to my nephew about the problem that we >are > > > > >having > > > > >of our kids getting involved with gangs and such. I was looking >back >on > > > my > > > > >life and the road that I took and tried to explain why It took that > > > course. > > > > >In my experience I believe Indian people have a innerself that >needs >to > > > be > > > > >a > > > > >part of a tribe, this is our makeup our genetic being and our >ancestors > > > > >survival trait. In this day and age a lot of us being removed from >the > > > > >tribal closeness that were searching for took a lot of different >roads. > > > > >Luckly some of us finally found the Red road and are coming back to >the > > > > >home > > > > >fires of our people. > > > > > When the rest finally find their way back we need to be there to >help > > > > >them. > > > > > For seven generations > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > >>From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > > > >>Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >>To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >>Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > >>Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:01:33 -0500 > > > > >> > > > > >>Those who have grown up in Indian communities but seem to have no > > > > >>knowledge > > > > >>of their own spirituality are still aware of something inside >that >is > > > > >>different, even if they don't know what it is.(Because of the >thick > > > > >>assimilation) > > > > >>And it is my hope that more of our people will recognise that we >are > > not > > > > >>"second class" and that our spirituality is not just a matter of > > > > >>"beliefs", > > > > >>and that it is not "inferior" to the spirituality any other race >of > > > > >>people...It is also my hope that those non-Indians who can learn a > > > better > > > > >>way of living in balance from Indians, or whoever, will do so... > > > > >>B. > > > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > > > >>From: "Gemma West" <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > > >>To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:35 PM > > > > >>Subject: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > What has happened for many people is that they wander through >life > > > > >>trying > > > > >>to > > > > >> > figure out what is wrong...trying to figure out why they don't >fit > > > in. > > > > >> > Attempts are made to mold themselves into someone else's >defintions > > > of > > > > >>good > > > > >> > and bad. These attempts fail. Finally that person decides to >look > > > to > > > > >>their > > > > >> > ancestors. They find themselves. They finally feel >comfortable. > > It > > > > >>is > > > > >> > obvious to all that ancestors shape our biological >characteristics. > > > It > > > > >>is > > > > >> > obvious to me that ancestors shape our spirituality. The sad >thing > > > is > > > > >>that > > > > >> > sometimes the assimilation is so thick that you can grow up >around > > > > >>Indians > > > > >>and > > > > >> > still not know your own spirituality. The beautiful thing is > > finding > > > > >>the > > > > >>few > > > > >> > who have refused assimilation and are willing to share >knowledge. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > When non-Indian people ask to be allowed into the community it > > causes > > > > >>us > > > > >>to > > > > >> > question ourselves. Does community still exist? What are they > > here > > > to > > > > >>get? > > > > >> > Are we really different from them? I think the great thing >about > > this > > > > >>reverse > > > > >> > acculturation is that it is spurring some of us to re-embrace >our > > own > > > > >> > ancestors. It is removing the shame that our elders had to >live > > > with. > > > > >>This > > > > >> > shame had no place and that is becoming clear to new >generations. > > If > > > > >>we > > > > >>can > > > > >> > influence people to live a balanced life then that is a great > > thing. > > > > >>After > > > > >> > all, our children and their children will have to live in a >world > > > > >>shaped > > > > >>by > > > > >> > the parents. We can not afford to be selfish with principles >of > > > > >>balance. > > > > >>It > > > > >> > seems that they need these principles much more than we do. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> wrote: > > > > >> > "Our spirituality" is not "just an idea" and it is not >something >we > > > > >>went > > > > >>to > > > > >> > class and learned somewhere, or got off the internet...it is >born > > in > > > us > > > > >> > (which is obvious to those Indians who were raised surrounded >by >a > > > > >>white > > > > >> > society) and a non-Indian may be able to learn from us some >things, > > > but > > > > >>they > > > > >> > cannot "acquire" what they are not born with, and their >attempts >to > > > put > > > > >> > themselves on an "equal footing", with Indians, so to speak, is >at > > > best > > > > >> > futile...and at worst, an attempt at cultural theft... > > > > >> > B. > > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > >> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:59 PM > > > > >> > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > I shall play devil's advocate again and expose my rear to > > > everyone's > > > > >> > slings > > > > >> > > and arrows... > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > What about those people who do not "want to be NA", but just > > think > > > > >>our > > > > >> > > spirituality, philosophy and way of life is a good idea. >I've > > had > > > > >> > countless > > > > >> > > elders tell me, "I don't care what kind of blood you have, as > > long > > > as > > > > >>it's > > > > >> > > human". Just because an Anglo wants to practice our ways >because > > > it > > > > >>works > > > > >> > > for them, doesn't mean they deserve to be belittled by a > > derogatory > > > > >>name. > > > > >> > > Are there really that many among us that are so arrogant to >do > > so. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Where did we ever get the idea that that we were so >exclusive? > > > Isn't > > > > >>that > > > > >> > > TRUE racism? > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > dusty > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > > >> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:45 PM > > > > >> > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Elkdreamer, Where did the term come from? Arla > > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > >> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:38 PM > > > > >> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Halito Fay > > > > >> > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no >Indian > > > blood > > > > >>at > > > > >> > all > > > > >> > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > >> > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > >> > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > >> > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > >> > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without >the > > > > >>quotes > > > > >> > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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