Halito to all!!, I am new to the list but had to respond. Dusty hit it right on the head. As a young girl being raised in Texas, I had always felt that I did not belong (neither in TX or in this day and time LOL)....My Grandfather passed when I was a teenager and as a young girl he used to tell me stories and I wish now that I had listened closer. I now live in SD with my Lakota husband and for the first time in my life I feel like I am where I belong *S* Sonja >From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:58:38 -0500 > >Good point..could be that's why some of us who were raised in white society >always felt so "different". Have you ever had the feeling that the world >was SO insane that you must have been dropped down on the wrong planet? > >It would have helped me as a small child, I think to have been closer to NA >elders in the family, but those that were nearby were all dead by the time >I >was a teenager. We briefly lived with my grandmother when my dad was in >WWII, but she moved back to Oklahoma when I was about 7-8 years old, and >after that I didn't see her much. All of her sisters had gone their own >ways, only one married an NA - Osage and moved to Seminole, Okla. The rest >scattered with everyone trying to find jobs and make a living after the >war. > > That's one resentment I've always had, not being able to learn our ways >from the elders, just being told stories of the ways they used to practice. >I envy those who were raised around family and got to experience the things >we've been discussing (sweats, etc) for themselves. > >dusty >----- Original Message ----- >From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 12:49 PM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > "Our spirituality" is not "just an idea" and it is not something we went >to > > class and learned somewhere, or got off the internet...it is born in us > > (which is obvious to those Indians who were raised surrounded by a white > > society) and a non-Indian may be able to learn from us some things, but >they > > cannot "acquire" what they are not born with, and their attempts to put > > themselves on an "equal footing", with Indians, so to speak, is at best > > futile...and at worst, an attempt at cultural theft... > > B. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > I shall play devil's advocate again and expose my rear to everyone's > > slings > > > and arrows... > > > > > > What about those people who do not "want to be NA", but just think >our > > > spirituality, philosophy and way of life is a good idea. I've had > > countless > > > elders tell me, "I don't care what kind of blood you have, as long as >it's > > > human". Just because an Anglo wants to practice our ways because it >works > > > for them, doesn't mean they deserve to be belittled by a derogatory >name. > > > Are there really that many among us that are so arrogant to do so. > > > > > > Where did we ever get the idea that that we were so exclusive? Isn't >that > > > TRUE racism? > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:45 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer, Where did the term come from? Arla > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:38 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Fay > > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no Indian blood >at > > all > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the >quotes > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Choctaw Home Page: > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? 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