Halito Patsy Witch Doctors I believe is a European term used to discribe the spititutal people of other cultures that they believed were basicly devil worship, because they believed that christanity was the only true belief. We call them Spiritual people and they worked with herbs and a combination of spirititual things. Kind of like the doctors do today operate then pray a lot for their recovery. It is just that our Ancestors only had so much to work with and the weak or deformed didn't last long. Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: "Patsy Caleb" <studentarchaeologist@home.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 10:25:35 -0700 > >elkdreamer do the choctaws have exorists like a withchdoctor or the like >----- Original Message ----- >From: Elkdreamer Wilkins <elkdremr@hotmail.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 8:44 AM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > Halito Jim > > The spirit of all is impornant. Every animal, Plant, bug, bird, bacteria > > etc: are part of the circle of life and must be respected as such. > > The prayer that we say, All my relations means. > > A-ho Grandfather > > A prayer for the four leggeged, two leggeged, winged and finned, >the > > tree nation's, the creeping and crawling. > > All my relations > > A-ho > > Walk in beauty > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 00:53:33 -0400 > > > > > >I am not a student of anthroplogy so I looked it up in the dictionary!! > > >anthropology = the study of man, esp. of variety, physical and cultural > > >characteristics, distribution, customs, social relationships, etc. of > > >mankind: often restricted to the study of the institutions, myths, etc. >of > > >nonliterate peoples. > > >Hmmmm > > >As for "Flight or Fight", I never thought of it as a "human" trait, but >as > > >an animal one. > > >You pray to the "sprit" of a cow, pig, chicken, egg, etc. for them >being >so > > >nice as to allow themselves to be killed so that you can eat them? >WOW!!! > > >Jim > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:34 PM > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > > > Halito Jim > > > > Grandfather is a term that we use in respect for the Creator of >life. > > > > And as a student of anthroplogy I also know about the flight or >fight > > > > reasoning that humans have. This instinct is what has enabled our > > >species > > > > to survive. The offering that I refer to is the respect that we give >to > > >the > > > > animals spirit and acknowledging that we all are part of the circle >of > > >life. > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:42:23 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >Elk > > > > >Is your "Grand Father" the same as mine? Who is your supreme being? > > > > > > > > > >An "offering" would be like a "gift". The only animal that has the > > > > >intelligence to make that decission is "MAN". We have a natural > > >instinct > > > > >called "Flight or Fight". All "animals" will rather fight than >die!! > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 6:19 AM > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Jim > > > > > > #1 question > > > > > > Another word for the supreme being > > > > > > #2 the offering of its life > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 01:23:34 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Two quick questions: > > > > > > >1) Who is "Grand Father"? > > > > > > >2) The ANIMAL is giving an offering when IT is killed? > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > > > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > >Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 10:36 PM > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Dennis > > > > > > > > I am sorry if I offended you in anyway. My intrest is in >all > > > > >things > > > > > > > > Choctaw. and Spirituality is one of the aspects of it. To > > >understand > > > > > > >Indian > > > > > > > > people you have to dig deep into their thought pattern. When > > >they > > > > >killed > > > > > > > > animals for food and clothing they said a prayer To >Grandfather > > >for > > > > >the > > > > > > > > offering that the animal gave and gave respect to the animal > > >also. > > > > >When > > > > > > >they > > > > > > > > did beadwork they put part of their spirit in it also. when >a > > >object > > > > >was > > > > > > > > discarded it was done with respect. Spirtuality was >considered > > >in > > > > >all > > > > > > >things > > > > > > > > done. That is one of the reasons that the Europeans that >came > > >here > > > > > > > > misunderstood our people and their ways. > > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:56:57 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Message for Elkdreamer and Dusty: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regarding who subscribes to CHAHTA-L and why, permit me to > > >suggest > > > > >that > > > > > > > > >this list very likely has Choctaw and non-Choctaw >subscribers. > > > > >Among > > > > > > >both > > > > > > > > >groups, there are those who have an exclusive interest in > > >religion > > > > >all > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > >way to those who have an exclusive interest in some other > > >aspect > > >of > > > > > > >Choctaw > > > > > > > > >life but no interest at all in religion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In my case, I find Choctaw religious beliefs and the recent > > > > >discussion > > > > > > > > >surrounding them educational and thought provoking. >However, >my > > > > > > >personal > > > > > > > > >interest does not directly concern Choctaw religion. It is >very > > > > >narrow > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > >concerns central Mississippi, pre-removal Choctaw social >and > > >family > > > > > > > > >customs, very narrowly defined examples of the Choctaw >language > > >as > > > > > > >about > > > > > > > > >1800, relationships with early white settlers, trails and >paths > > > > > > >followed > > > > > > >by > > > > > > > > >these Choctaw in relationship to today's central >Mississippi > > >county > > > > > > > > >boundaries and the impact of removal on these same Choctaw >with > > > > > > >specific > > > > > > > > >emphasis on the Durant Choctaw clan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If I unsubscribe, which I will do one day (to return at a >later > > > > >date), > > > > > > >it > > > > > > > > >will have nothing to do with whether I do or do not "learn > > >other > > > > > > >religious > > > > > > > > >views," "heat in the kitchen" or "sensitive subjects." It >will > > >have > > > > > > > > >everything to do with the fact that I subscribe to about > > > > >thirty-five > > > > > > >lists, > > > > > > > > >receive mountains of email and have priorities on my time >and > > >my > > > > > > >interests > > > > > > > > >that are quite different than anyone else on this list - a > > >comment > > > > >that > > > > > > > > >about everyone of you can make. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Recognize that one of the wonderful aspects of CHAHTA-L (in > > > > >comparison > > > > > > >with > > > > > > > > >virtually all na hollo lists) is the diversity of thought, > > > > >background, > > > > > > > > >education and perspective it offers. Were I to make one > > >suggestion > > > > >to > > > > > > >those > > > > > > > > >of you who clearly dominate this list, please guard against > > > > >becoming > > > > > > >too > > > > > > > > >clannish lest the very diversity that enriches this site >might > > >in > > > > >time > > > > > > > > >vanish leaving something less in its wake than you enjoy >today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >At 08:50 AM 03/31/2001 -0800, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Halito Dusty and All list members > > > > > > > > >> I believe that we all have the right to believe in the >way > > >that > > > > >we > > > > > > >want > > > > > > > > >>to. And in this aspect the right to discuss our and each > > >others > > > > >views > > > > > > >in > > > > > > > > >>a intellegent and Adult way. Aparentlly the ones that left > > >will > > >in > > > > >no > > > > > > >way > > > > > > > > >>ever learn that there are other views than their own. Like >I > > >have > > > > > > >always > > > > > > > > >>been told if you can't stand the heat get out of the >kitchen. > > >I > > > > >guess > > > > > > > > >>that is what they did. Lets keep up the heat I'm having >fun. > > > > > > > > >> Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > > >> Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>>From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > > > > >>>Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >>>To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >>>Subject: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > >>>Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:38:58 -0600 > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>>We lost another 5 listmembers this morning. Don't know >for > > >what > > > > > > >reason. > > > > > > > > >>>While I suspect sensitive subject matter may be the >reason, > > >this > > > > >is > > > > > > >only > > > > > > > > >>>a > > > > > > > > >>>supposition on my part. I have absolutely no objection >to > > >the > > > > >topic > > > > > > > > >>>continuing if that's what you guys want. Among other > > > > >peculiarities > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > >>>character faults, I happen to wholeheartedly support the > > >First > > > > > > >Amendment > > > > > > > > >>>on > > > > > > > > >>>this particular topic. What do you guys think?? > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>>dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > >Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > > > > > >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? 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