Halito to all, Maybe I am wrong and I am sure I will be corrected if so LOL, but it seems to me that in a round about way the prophecy of the Indian people once again getting back all that belonged to them may, in a way, involve not the actual possession of material possessions, but getting back to the old ways and beliefs? And if this may be true, then would it not matter that the Nations be full bloods or mixed bloods? Again I say I may be wrong and fully prepared to be so but, I only know that even though I may be lighter than most full bloods, my blood, heart and soul is the same as all my relations from generations back. Sonja >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:36:28 -0700 > >Halito Barbara, Gemma And Dusty > Last night I was talking to my nephew about the problem that we are >having >of our kids getting involved with gangs and such. I was looking back on my >life and the road that I took and tried to explain why It took that course. >In my experience I believe Indian people have a innerself that needs to be >a >part of a tribe, this is our makeup our genetic being and our ancestors >survival trait. In this day and age a lot of us being removed from the >tribal closeness that were searching for took a lot of different roads. >Luckly some of us finally found the Red road and are coming back to the >home >fires of our people. > When the rest finally find their way back we need to be there to help >them. > For seven generations > Walk in Beauty > Elkdreamer > >>From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> >>Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >>To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies >>Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:01:33 -0500 >> >>Those who have grown up in Indian communities but seem to have no >>knowledge >>of their own spirituality are still aware of something inside that is >>different, even if they don't know what it is.(Because of the thick >>assimilation) >>And it is my hope that more of our people will recognise that we are not >>"second class" and that our spirituality is not just a matter of >>"beliefs", >>and that it is not "inferior" to the spirituality any other race of >>people...It is also my hope that those non-Indians who can learn a better >>way of living in balance from Indians, or whoever, will do so... >>B. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Gemma West" <gemmawest@usa.net> >>To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:35 PM >>Subject: [CHAHTA] twinkies >> >> >> > What has happened for many people is that they wander through life >>trying >>to >> > figure out what is wrong...trying to figure out why they don't fit in. >> > Attempts are made to mold themselves into someone else's defintions of >>good >> > and bad. These attempts fail. Finally that person decides to look to >>their >> > ancestors. They find themselves. They finally feel comfortable. It >>is >> > obvious to all that ancestors shape our biological characteristics. It >>is >> > obvious to me that ancestors shape our spirituality. The sad thing is >>that >> > sometimes the assimilation is so thick that you can grow up around >>Indians >>and >> > still not know your own spirituality. The beautiful thing is finding >>the >>few >> > who have refused assimilation and are willing to share knowledge. >> > >> > When non-Indian people ask to be allowed into the community it causes >>us >>to >> > question ourselves. Does community still exist? What are they here to >>get? >> > Are we really different from them? I think the great thing about this >>reverse >> > acculturation is that it is spurring some of us to re-embrace our own >> > ancestors. It is removing the shame that our elders had to live with. >>This >> > shame had no place and that is becoming clear to new generations. If >>we >>can >> > influence people to live a balanced life then that is a great thing. >>After >> > all, our children and their children will have to live in a world >>shaped >>by >> > the parents. We can not afford to be selfish with principles of >>balance. >>It >> > seems that they need these principles much more than we do. >> > >> > >> > >> > Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> wrote: >> > "Our spirituality" is not "just an idea" and it is not something we >>went >>to >> > class and learned somewhere, or got off the internet...it is born in us >> > (which is obvious to those Indians who were raised surrounded by a >>white >> > society) and a non-Indian may be able to learn from us some things, but >>they >> > cannot "acquire" what they are not born with, and their attempts to put >> > themselves on an "equal footing", with Indians, so to speak, is at best >> > futile...and at worst, an attempt at cultural theft... >> > B. >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> >> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:59 PM >> > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies >> > >> > >> > > I shall play devil's advocate again and expose my rear to everyone's >> > slings >> > > and arrows... >> > > >> > > What about those people who do not "want to be NA", but just think >>our >> > > spirituality, philosophy and way of life is a good idea. I've had >> > countless >> > > elders tell me, "I don't care what kind of blood you have, as long as >>it's >> > > human". Just because an Anglo wants to practice our ways because it >>works >> > > for them, doesn't mean they deserve to be belittled by a derogatory >>name. >> > > Are there really that many among us that are so arrogant to do so. >> > > >> > > Where did we ever get the idea that that we were so exclusive? Isn't >>that >> > > TRUE racism? >> > > >> > > dusty >> > > >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> >> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:45 PM >> > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies >> > > >> > > >> > > > Elkdreamer, Where did the term come from? Arla >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> >> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:38 PM >> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Halito Fay >> > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no Indian blood >>at >> > all >> > > > > Walk in Beauty >> > > > > Elkdreamer >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >> > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: >> > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com >> > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the >>quotes >> > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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