Dennis: My suggestion to try the American State Papers was just a general suggestion, as there is so much documentation of America's Indian policy I thought that would be a good place to start. The quotes were from the sources listed below them as I recall (I've already deleted my letter) - most can be found in Angie Debo's book "The Rise and Fall of the Choctaw Republic" dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:40 AM Subject: {not a subscriber} American State Papers > Halito, Dusty and Marcie (something here for both of you). > > Marcie, I trust this note will find you having had a good trip to Mississippi. > > Your Thomas Jefferson quotes from the American States Papers are most > interesting as they represent to my knowledge the first tangible evidence > of anything approximating a US national policy aimed at removal of not only > the Choctaw, but all other members of the Five Civilized Tribes. > > I will guess that these quotations may be found in the Series or Class 2. > volumes that concern Indian Affairs (1st Congress to 19th Congress, May 25, > 1789 to March 1, 1827). However, I do not know whether they are in volume 1 > or volume 2. Do you happen to remember which volume they may be found in? > > I am going to have to locate this volume and hope that it is available on > inter-library loan. Where did you happen to find the volume containing the > quotations. I sure have not been able to find this on the web. The only > volumes I am able to find seem to be located at Auburn University, Samford > University in Birmingham; University of South Alabama, Mobile; > Jacksonsville State University, Sterne Library; University of West Alabama, > Julia Tutwiler LRC, Levington; University of North Alabama Library; > Combined Arms Research Library, Ft. Leavenworth and the University of > Toledo Libraries. > > I doubt that these are circulating volumes. By copy, Marcie, might you > please be able to do an OCLC search to see if these volumes circulate from > any of these or other libraries? If you find that they do and will tell me > which one(s), then I should be able to order them on inter-library loan > through our library here in Folsom. > > By the way, Marcie, I think I have had good success in ordering some Bethel > Mission materials, including maps, from Southern Mississippi University in > Hattiesburg. I will let you know when I receive them in a week or so. You > may want to try the same approach on learning more about Perry's Stand. If > you do, let me know and I will send you a name, email address, etc. of a > contact I have used for several years at USM. Their McCain Library staff is > very helpful. > > At 03:09 PM 04/09/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >Try the"American State Papers". Removal policy began with President Thomas > >Jefferson who said, "When we shall be full on this side, we may lay off a > >range of States on the western bank (of the Mississippi River) fro the head > >to the mouth, and so, range after range, advancing compactly as we (whites) > >multiply." (Source: Thomas Jefferson to John Breckenridge, August 12, 1803). > > > >In a letter he wrote to Andrew Jackson Feb. 16, 1803 he asserted that the > >primary reason for keeping Indian agents among the tribes was to obtain > >their land. He stated, ":Toward effecting this object we consider leading > >the Indians to agriculture....Where they shall cultivate small spots of > >earth and see how useless their extensive forests are, they will sell." > >Each Indian agent "shall be estimated by us in proportion to the benefits he > >can obtain for us." He ended his letter with the demand that his views "be > >pursued unremittingly." (Thomas Jefferson to Andrew Jackson, Feb.16, 1803 > >from "The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Memorial Edition) > > > >Jefferson justified his position by claiming that vas lands were needed > >between the Appalachain Mts. and the Mississippi River "for defense", which > >he believed could only be possible with a large white population. He also > >used more odious methods of obtaining Indian lands, as enlarging the > >governments Indian "factories" in the various nations and encouraging the > >Indians to buy more and more goods on credit. When the Indians' debts > >became so burdensome that they could not possibly pay the total bill, the > >Indian agents were instructed to reveal that the United States government > >would magnanimously liquidate the debts by accepting land cessions. > >(Source:" A Complilation of the Mesages and Papers of the Presidents", > >Wash.D.C., 1807) > > > >There have been VOLUMES written on the US governments Indian policies under > >its various presidents. Your local library can point you in the right > >direction to conduct your personal research. > > > >dusty > > Yakoke, Yakoke, > > Dennis K. Boswell > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > Folsom, CA 95630 > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > >