Who knows what the future holds. Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Were all Brothers and Sisters >Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 11:44:53 -0500 > >That was the idea! Divide and conquer! There was a deliberate policy of >inciting competition/strife by division to maintain control. Add to that >the documented attempts at genocide/assimilation from the English on the >east coast on down through today's government and it's hard for me to >understand why the leaders of today's nations can't see they are still >playing into the hands of these old policies by excluding distant >descendants. > >IMHO every nation needs to drop its reliance on government handouts that >are >encouraging exclusion, and institute new enrollment policies. Think what a >political power NA's could be! But that's not going to happen. > >dusty > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tsa na Jordan <medicgirl78@yahoo.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 11:41 PM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Were all Brothers and Sisters > > > > Linda, > > You are sooo right. In fact, we all know, if we look at history, >that's > > one of the problems the Indians had. Had they banned together, they >could > > have done better. But, they were divided and easy conquering for the > > whites. Just thoughts and my own opinion. > > Take care and go safely! > > Tsana > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Linda Branum <mamalin@1s.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 10:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Were all Brothers and Sisters > > > > > > > Hi Dusty and all, > > > I want to say that my brother looks full blood Indian but we are >just > > > 1/32. I don't look a bit like and Indian but I have the same amt of >blood > > as > > > he does. > > > I feel the amt of Indian doesn't matter. We are all brothers and >sisters > > > just some of us have proof and others don't. > > > I think we should all remember TOGETHER WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL. >All >of > > > us need to unite together and stop worring about how much blood we >have > > but > > > our people were all at one time full blood so who cares if you are >full >or > > > just a little. You are still my sister and brother and all are NA. > > > Regards, Linda Kirby Branum > > > > > > (Guynes and Sain are my Indian heritage surnames) Guynes being >Choctaw > > and > > > documented and Sain Cherokee undocumented. But I feel ancestors >calling > > from > > > both!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:29 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > Gemma and all: > > > > > > > > I am intrigued and challenged by your question, "Does the community > > still > > > > exist." I have pondered this question for many years and under many > > > > different circumstances., and would like to get some feedback from >other > > > > listmembers. > > > > > > > > What is the state of the Indian community today..... > > > > Specifically, WHAT IS AN INDIAN? Is it a matter of blood quantum? > > > > Lifestyle? Beliefs? > > > > > > > > There can be no argument that there is definite predjudice among NA >as > > to > > > > "who is Indian" and who is not. There are "skins" and there are > > "bloods". > > > > Why the separation? What does it take to be considered "Indian >enough". > > > > Are some NAs practicing a racism they would decry in other races.? > > Don't > > > > quote me the government's definition of Indian, I'm well aware of >that. > > > > > > > > I want the opinions of others on this list. > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: David and Tommie Marsters <haili65@proaxis.com> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:30 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well put, Gemma. I agree. > > > > > Tommie > > > > > > > > > > Gemma West wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > What has happened for many people is that they wander through >life > > > > trying to > > > > > > figure out what is wrong...trying to figure out why they don't >fit > > in. > > > > > > Attempts are made to mold themselves into someone else's >defintions > > of > > > > good > > > > > > and bad. These attempts fail. Finally that person decides to >look > > to > > > > their > > > > > > ancestors. They find themselves. They finally feel >comfortable. > > It > > > is > > > > > > obvious to all that ancestors shape our biological >characteristics. > > > It > > > > is > > > > > > obvious to me that ancestors shape our spirituality. The sad >thing > > is > > > > that > > > > > > sometimes the assimilation is so thick that you can grow up >around > > > > Indians and > > > > > > still not know your own spirituality. The beautiful thing is > > finding > > > > the few > > > > > > who have refused assimilation and are willing to share >knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > When non-Indian people ask to be allowed into the community it > > causes > > > us > > > > to > > > > > > question ourselves. Does community still exist? What are they >here > > > to > > > > get? > > > > > > Are we really different from them? I think the great thing about > > this > > > > reverse > > > > > > acculturation is that it is spurring some of us to re-embrace >our > > own > > > > > > ancestors. It is removing the shame that our elders had to live > > with. > > > > This > > > > > > shame had no place and that is becoming clear to new >generations. > > If > > > we > > > > can > > > > > > influence people to live a balanced life then that is a great >thing. > > > > After > > > > > > all, our children and their children will have to live in a >world > > > shaped > > > > by > > > > > > the parents. We can not afford to be selfish with principles of > > > > balance. It > > > > > > seems that they need these principles much more than we do. > > > > > > > > > > > > Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> wrote: > > > > > > "Our spirituality" is not "just an idea" and it is not something >we > > > went > > > > to > > > > > > class and learned somewhere, or got off the internet...it is >born >in > > > us > > > > > > (which is obvious to those Indians who were raised surrounded by >a > > > white > > > > > > society) and a non-Indian may be able to learn from us some >things, > > > but > > > > they > > > > > > cannot "acquire" what they are not born with, and their attempts >to > > > put > > > > > > themselves on an "equal footing", with Indians, so to speak, is >at > > > best > > > > > > futile...and at worst, an attempt at cultural theft... > > > > > > B. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:59 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall play devil's advocate again and expose my rear to > > everyone's > > > > > > slings > > > > > > > and arrows... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about those people who do not "want to be NA", but just >think > > > > our > > > > > > > spirituality, philosophy and way of life is a good idea. I've >had > > > > > > countless > > > > > > > elders tell me, "I don't care what kind of blood you have, as >long > > > as > > > > it's > > > > > > > human". Just because an Anglo wants to practice our ways >because > > it > > > > works > > > > > > > for them, doesn't mean they deserve to be belittled by a > > derogatory > > > > name. > > > > > > > Are there really that many among us that are so arrogant to do >so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did we ever get the idea that that we were so exclusive? > > > Isn't > > > > that > > > > > > > TRUE racism? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:45 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer, Where did the term come from? Arla > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:38 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Fay > > > > > > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no >Indian > > > blood > > > > at > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without >the > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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