Halito Dennis I will get the book and read it. Then I will be able to tell you if they are the same. It sound like interesting reading. Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:03:10 -0700 > >Halito Elkdreamer, > >I just finished reading a most interesting book - "Searching for the Bright >Path, the Mississippi Choctaw from Prehistory to Removal," by James Taylor >Carson, 1999, University of Nebraska Press, ISBN 0-8032-1503-7. On the >inside front cover appears the following, > >"... Blending an engaging narrative style with broader theoretical >considerations, James Taylor Carson offers the most complete history of the >Mississippi Choctaws to date. He traces the story of the Choctaws from >their origins in the Mississippian cultures of late prehistory through >their varied encounters with the French, Spanish, English, Africans, and >Americans, concluding with their forced removal to Indian Territory in the >early nineteenth century. > >Carson shows how the Choctaws struggled to adapt to life in a New World >altered radically by contact while retaining their sense of identify and >place. Despite changes in subsistence practices and material culture, the >Choctaws made every effort to retain certain core cultural beliefs and >sensibilities, a strategy they conceived of as following 'the straight >bright path'." > >For those interested in the old ways and your origins, I heartily recommend >it. I found myself asking is the "straight bright path" of the old ones >what you refer to today as the "red road," or is there a difference? > >At 07:36 PM 04/05/2001 -0700, you wrote: >>Halito Barbara, Gemma And Dusty >> Last night I was talking to my nephew about the problem that we are >>having of our kids getting involved with gangs and such. I was looking >>back on my life and the road that I took and tried to explain why It took >>that course. In my experience I believe Indian people have a innerself >>that needs to be a part of a tribe, this is our makeup our genetic being >>and our ancestors survival trait. In this day and age a lot of us being >>removed from the tribal closeness that were searching for took a lot of >>different roads. Luckly some of us finally found the Red road and are >>coming back to the home fires of our people. >> When the rest finally find their way back we need to be there to help >>them. >> For seven generations >> Walk in Beauty >> Elkdreamer >> >>>From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> >>>Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >>>To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >>>Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies >>>Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:01:33 -0500 >>> >>>Those who have grown up in Indian communities but seem to have no >>>knowledge >>>of their own spirituality are still aware of something inside that is >>>different, even if they don't know what it is.(Because of the thick >>>assimilation) >>>And it is my hope that more of our people will recognise that we are not >>>"second class" and that our spirituality is not just a matter of >>>"beliefs", >>>and that it is not "inferior" to the spirituality any other race of >>>people...It is also my hope that those non-Indians who can learn a better >>>way of living in balance from Indians, or whoever, will do so... >>>B. >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Gemma West" <gemmawest@usa.net> >>>To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:35 PM >>>Subject: [CHAHTA] twinkies >>> >>> >>> > What has happened for many people is that they wander through life >>>trying >>>to >>> > figure out what is wrong...trying to figure out why they don't fit in. >>> > Attempts are made to mold themselves into someone else's defintions of >>>good >>> > and bad. These attempts fail. Finally that person decides to look to >>>their >>> > ancestors. They find themselves. They finally feel comfortable. It >>>is >>> > obvious to all that ancestors shape our biological characteristics. >>>It is >>> > obvious to me that ancestors shape our spirituality. The sad thing is >>>that >>> > sometimes the assimilation is so thick that you can grow up around >>>Indians >>>and >>> > still not know your own spirituality. The beautiful thing is finding >>>the >>>few >>> > who have refused assimilation and are willing to share knowledge. >>> > >>> > When non-Indian people ask to be allowed into the community it causes >>>us >>>to >>> > question ourselves. Does community still exist? What are they here >>>to >>>get? >>> > Are we really different from them? I think the great thing about this >>>reverse >>> > acculturation is that it is spurring some of us to re-embrace our own >>> > ancestors. It is removing the shame that our elders had to live with. >>>This >>> > shame had no place and that is becoming clear to new generations. If >>>we >>>can >>> > influence people to live a balanced life then that is a great thing. >>>After >>> > all, our children and their children will have to live in a world >>>shaped >>>by >>> > the parents. We can not afford to be selfish with principles of >>>balance. >>>It >>> > seems that they need these principles much more than we do. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> wrote: >>> > "Our spirituality" is not "just an idea" and it is not something we >>>went >>>to >>> > class and learned somewhere, or got off the internet...it is born in >>>us >>> > (which is obvious to those Indians who were raised surrounded by a >>>white >>> > society) and a non-Indian may be able to learn from us some things, >>>but >>>they >>> > cannot "acquire" what they are not born with, and their attempts to >>>put >>> > themselves on an "equal footing", with Indians, so to speak, is at >>>best >>> > futile...and at worst, an attempt at cultural theft... >>> > B. >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> >>> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:59 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies >>> > >>> > >>> > > I shall play devil's advocate again and expose my rear to everyone's >>> > slings >>> > > and arrows... >>> > > >>> > > What about those people who do not "want to be NA", but just think >>>our >>> > > spirituality, philosophy and way of life is a good idea. I've had >>> > countless >>> > > elders tell me, "I don't care what kind of blood you have, as long >>>as >>>it's >>> > > human". Just because an Anglo wants to practice our ways because it >>>works >>> > > for them, doesn't mean they deserve to be belittled by a derogatory >>>name. >>> > > Are there really that many among us that are so arrogant to do so. >>> > > >>> > > Where did we ever get the idea that that we were so exclusive? >>>Isn't >>>that >>> > > TRUE racism? >>> > > >>> > > dusty >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> >>> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >>> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:45 PM >>> > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > Elkdreamer, Where did the term come from? Arla >>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> >>> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:38 PM >>> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > Halito Fay >>> > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no Indian >>>blood at >>> > all >>> > > > > Walk in Beauty >>> > > > > Elkdreamer >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >>> > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: >>> > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com >>> > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the >>>quotes >>> > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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