All is well put thats for sure. I have always tried to teach my children to say Yes Sir and No Sir and Yes Mame and No Mame.( Boy I don't think I spelled that right <):-) Some people think thats not right but to always respect your ELDERS is what I have always been taught. My Dad taught me that and I do love him for that. There are so many children who don't say that I have always been told that my children were so polite and I feel that me teaching them that my Father taught me is why they feel that way about my children. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > Makes perfect sense. Very similar to the way I was raised. The fact that > we were "Indian" was hardly ever brought up. I can't remember ever being > told that something was the "Indian" way to act....just the "right" way to > act. > > dusty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tsa na Jordan <medicgirl78@yahoo.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 11:13 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > You know, as I look back on my "raising", I see that even though we were > > told that we were Cherokee/Choctaw, we weren't given the religous culture > in > > detail, but we were raised to follow the general Indian beliefs. Such as: > > environmental protection, respect to animals, and respect of elders. I > had > > always thought of these as general "good ethics", but the more I look at > > people and the older I get, I realize that these were taught to me because > > they were taught to my father, and his father, and his father, etc. They > > were a "way of life" not something that my elders really thought about, > just > > the way they had lived and those before them had lived. Does this make > > sense? I'm not so good at putting this stuff down in black and white. > > Take care and go safely! > > Tsana > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 9:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > Dusty one of the things I see as I am out and about doing shows and > > talking > > > to people is those people who connect with their long ago indigenous > > > Ancestors seem to have a better grasp of taking care of community and > the > > > Earth.It is those who can't seem to find the connection that have a > > problem > > > with hearing. Arla > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 4:10 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > The problem seems to be, with people who have no Indian blood, getting > > > them > > > > to LISTEN. The native people of this country are far more in tune > with > > > what > > > > is going on re this continent than the invaders, but those who are all > > > into > > > > technology and the worship of man's knowledge rather than Gods > knowledge > > > > seem to screw everything up and then wonder what happened to make > > things > > > go > > > > wrong. IMHO > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 2:01 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who have grown up in Indian communities but seem to have no > > > > knowledge > > > > > of their own spirituality are still aware of something inside that > is > > > > > different, even if they don't know what it is.(Because of the thick > > > > > assimilation) > > > > > And it is my hope that more of our people will recognise that we are > > not > > > > > "second class" and that our spirituality is not just a matter of > > > > "beliefs", > > > > > and that it is not "inferior" to the spirituality any other race of > > > > > people...It is also my hope that those non-Indians who can learn a > > > better > > > > > way of living in balance from Indians, or whoever, will do so... > > > > > B. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Gemma West" <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:35 PM > > > > > Subject: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What has happened for many people is that they wander through life > > > > trying > > > > > to > > > > > > figure out what is wrong...trying to figure out why they don't fit > > in. > > > > > > Attempts are made to mold themselves into someone else's > defintions > > of > > > > > good > > > > > > and bad. These attempts fail. Finally that person decides to > look > > to > > > > > their > > > > > > ancestors. They find themselves. They finally feel comfortable. > > It > > > is > > > > > > obvious to all that ancestors shape our biological > characteristics. > > > It > > > > is > > > > > > obvious to me that ancestors shape our spirituality. The sad > thing > > is > > > > > that > > > > > > sometimes the assimilation is so thick that you can grow up around > > > > Indians > > > > > and > > > > > > still not know your own spirituality. The beautiful thing is > > finding > > > > the > > > > > few > > > > > > who have refused assimilation and are willing to share knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > When non-Indian people ask to be allowed into the community it > > causes > > > us > > > > > to > > > > > > question ourselves. Does community still exist? What are they > here > > > to > > > > > get? > > > > > > Are we really different from them? I think the great thing about > > this > > > > > reverse > > > > > > acculturation is that it is spurring some of us to re-embrace our > > own > > > > > > ancestors. It is removing the shame that our elders had to live > > with. > > > > > This > > > > > > shame had no place and that is becoming clear to new generations. > > If > > > we > > > > > can > > > > > > influence people to live a balanced life then that is a great > thing. > > > > > After > > > > > > all, our children and their children will have to live in a world > > > shaped > > > > > by > > > > > > the parents. We can not afford to be selfish with principles of > > > > balance. > > > > > It > > > > > > seems that they need these principles much more than we do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> wrote: > > > > > > "Our spirituality" is not "just an idea" and it is not something > we > > > went > > > > > to > > > > > > class and learned somewhere, or got off the internet...it is born > in > > > us > > > > > > (which is obvious to those Indians who were raised surrounded by a > > > white > > > > > > society) and a non-Indian may be able to learn from us some > things, > > > but > > > > > they > > > > > > cannot "acquire" what they are not born with, and their attempts > to > > > put > > > > > > themselves on an "equal footing", with Indians, so to speak, is at > > > best > > > > > > futile...and at worst, an attempt at cultural theft... > > > > > > B. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:59 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall play devil's advocate again and expose my rear to > > everyone's > > > > > > slings > > > > > > > and arrows... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about those people who do not "want to be NA", but just > think > > > > our > > > > > > > spirituality, philosophy and way of life is a good idea. I've > had > > > > > > countless > > > > > > > elders tell me, "I don't care what kind of blood you have, as > long > > > as > > > > > it's > > > > > > > human". Just because an Anglo wants to practice our ways > because > > it > > > > > works > > > > > > > for them, doesn't mean they deserve to be belittled by a > > derogatory > > > > > name. > > > > > > > Are there really that many among us that are so arrogant to do > so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did we ever get the idea that that we were so exclusive? > > > Isn't > > > > > that > > > > > > > TRUE racism? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:45 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer, Where did the term come from? Arla > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:38 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Fay > > > > > > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no Indian > > > blood > > > > at > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without > the > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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