I am not a student of anthroplogy so I looked it up in the dictionary!! anthropology = the study of man, esp. of variety, physical and cultural characteristics, distribution, customs, social relationships, etc. of mankind: often restricted to the study of the institutions, myths, etc. of nonliterate peoples. Hmmmm As for "Flight or Fight", I never thought of it as a "human" trait, but as an animal one. You pray to the "sprit" of a cow, pig, chicken, egg, etc. for them being so nice as to allow themselves to be killed so that you can eat them? WOW!!! Jim jmorsn@coastalnet.com http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > Halito Jim > Grandfather is a term that we use in respect for the Creator of life. > And as a student of anthroplogy I also know about the flight or fight > reasoning that humans have. This instinct is what has enabled our species > to survive. The offering that I refer to is the respect that we give to the > animals spirit and acknowledging that we all are part of the circle of life. > Walk in Beauty > Elkdreamer > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:42:23 -0400 > > > >Elk > >Is your "Grand Father" the same as mine? Who is your supreme being? > > > >An "offering" would be like a "gift". The only animal that has the > >intelligence to make that decission is "MAN". We have a natural instinct > >called "Flight or Fight". All "animals" will rather fight than die!! > >Jim > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 6:19 AM > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > Halito Jim > > > #1 question > > > Another word for the supreme being > > > #2 the offering of its life > > > Walk in Beauty > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 01:23:34 -0400 > > > > > > > >Two quick questions: > > > >1) Who is "Grand Father"? > > > >2) The ANIMAL is giving an offering when IT is killed? > > > >Jim > > > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 10:36 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Dennis > > > > > I am sorry if I offended you in anyway. My intrest is in all > >things > > > > > Choctaw. and Spirituality is one of the aspects of it. To understand > > > >Indian > > > > > people you have to dig deep into their thought pattern. When they > >killed > > > > > animals for food and clothing they said a prayer To Grandfather for > >the > > > > > offering that the animal gave and gave respect to the animal also. > >When > > > >they > > > > > did beadwork they put part of their spirit in it also. when a object > >was > > > > > discarded it was done with respect. Spirtuality was considered in > >all > > > >things > > > > > done. That is one of the reasons that the Europeans that came here > > > > > misunderstood our people and their ways. > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > >Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:56:57 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > >Message for Elkdreamer and Dusty: > > > > > > > > > > > >Regarding who subscribes to CHAHTA-L and why, permit me to suggest > >that > > > > > >this list very likely has Choctaw and non-Choctaw subscribers. > >Among > > > >both > > > > > >groups, there are those who have an exclusive interest in religion > >all > > > >the > > > > > >way to those who have an exclusive interest in some other aspect of > > > >Choctaw > > > > > >life but no interest at all in religion. > > > > > > > > > > > >In my case, I find Choctaw religious beliefs and the recent > >discussion > > > > > >surrounding them educational and thought provoking. However, my > > > >personal > > > > > >interest does not directly concern Choctaw religion. It is very > >narrow > > > >and > > > > > >concerns central Mississippi, pre-removal Choctaw social and family > > > > > >customs, very narrowly defined examples of the Choctaw language as > > > >about > > > > > >1800, relationships with early white settlers, trails and paths > > > >followed > > > >by > > > > > >these Choctaw in relationship to today's central Mississippi county > > > > > >boundaries and the impact of removal on these same Choctaw with > > > >specific > > > > > >emphasis on the Durant Choctaw clan. > > > > > > > > > > > >If I unsubscribe, which I will do one day (to return at a later > >date), > > > >it > > > > > >will have nothing to do with whether I do or do not "learn other > > > >religious > > > > > >views," "heat in the kitchen" or "sensitive subjects." It will have > > > > > >everything to do with the fact that I subscribe to about > >thirty-five > > > >lists, > > > > > >receive mountains of email and have priorities on my time and my > > > >interests > > > > > >that are quite different than anyone else on this list - a comment > >that > > > > > >about everyone of you can make. > > > > > > > > > > > >Recognize that one of the wonderful aspects of CHAHTA-L (in > >comparison > > > >with > > > > > >virtually all na hollo lists) is the diversity of thought, > >background, > > > > > >education and perspective it offers. Were I to make one suggestion > >to > > > >those > > > > > >of you who clearly dominate this list, please guard against > >becoming > > > >too > > > > > >clannish lest the very diversity that enriches this site might in > >time > > > > > >vanish leaving something less in its wake than you enjoy today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >At 08:50 AM 03/31/2001 -0800, you wrote: > > > > > >>Halito Dusty and All list members > > > > > >> I believe that we all have the right to believe in the way that > >we > > > >want > > > > > >>to. And in this aspect the right to discuss our and each others > >views > > > >in > > > > > >>a intellegent and Adult way. Aparentlly the ones that left will in > >no > > > >way > > > > > >>ever learn that there are other views than their own. Like I have > > > >always > > > > > >>been told if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. I > >guess > > > > > >>that is what they did. Lets keep up the heat I'm having fun. > > > > > >> Walk in Beauty > > > > > >> Elkdreamer > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>>From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > >>>Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >>>To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >>>Subject: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > >>>Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:38:58 -0600 > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>We lost another 5 listmembers this morning. Don't know for what > > > >reason. > > > > > >>>While I suspect sensitive subject matter may be the reason, this > >is > > > >only > > > > > >>>a > > > > > >>>supposition on my part. I have absolutely no objection to the > >topic > > > > > >>>continuing if that's what you guys want. Among other > >peculiarities > > > >and > > > > > >>>character faults, I happen to wholeheartedly support the First > > > >Amendment > > > > > >>>on > > > > > >>>this particular topic. What do you guys think?? > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > >Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > > >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to > >the > > > >list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > > > >CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > >Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Choctaw Home Page: > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > >Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information. 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