Well put Linda >From: "Linda Branum" <mamalin@1s.net> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Were all Brothers and Sisters >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:11:10 -0500 > >Hi Dusty and all, > I want to say that my brother looks full blood Indian but we are just >1/32. I don't look a bit like and Indian but I have the same amt of blood >as >he does. > I feel the amt of Indian doesn't matter. We are all brothers and sisters >just some of us have proof and others don't. > I think we should all remember TOGETHER WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL. All of >us need to unite together and stop worring about how much blood we have but >our people were all at one time full blood so who cares if you are full or >just a little. You are still my sister and brother and all are NA. >Regards, Linda Kirby Branum > > (Guynes and Sain are my Indian heritage surnames) Guynes being Choctaw >and >documented and Sain Cherokee undocumented. But I feel ancestors calling >from >both!! >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:29 PM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > Gemma and all: > > > > I am intrigued and challenged by your question, "Does the community >still > > exist." I have pondered this question for many years and under many > > different circumstances., and would like to get some feedback from other > > listmembers. > > > > What is the state of the Indian community today..... > > Specifically, WHAT IS AN INDIAN? Is it a matter of blood quantum? > > Lifestyle? Beliefs? > > > > There can be no argument that there is definite predjudice among NA as >to > > "who is Indian" and who is not. There are "skins" and there are >"bloods". > > Why the separation? What does it take to be considered "Indian enough". > > Are some NAs practicing a racism they would decry in other races.? >Don't > > quote me the government's definition of Indian, I'm well aware of that. > > > > I want the opinions of others on this list. > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: David and Tommie Marsters <haili65@proaxis.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > Well put, Gemma. I agree. > > > Tommie > > > > > > Gemma West wrote: > > > > > > > What has happened for many people is that they wander through life > > trying to > > > > figure out what is wrong...trying to figure out why they don't fit >in. > > > > Attempts are made to mold themselves into someone else's defintions >of > > good > > > > and bad. These attempts fail. Finally that person decides to look >to > > their > > > > ancestors. They find themselves. They finally feel comfortable. >It >is > > > > obvious to all that ancestors shape our biological characteristics. >It > > is > > > > obvious to me that ancestors shape our spirituality. The sad thing >is > > that > > > > sometimes the assimilation is so thick that you can grow up around > > Indians and > > > > still not know your own spirituality. The beautiful thing is >finding > > the few > > > > who have refused assimilation and are willing to share knowledge. > > > > > > > > When non-Indian people ask to be allowed into the community it >causes >us > > to > > > > question ourselves. Does community still exist? What are they here >to > > get? > > > > Are we really different from them? I think the great thing about >this > > reverse > > > > acculturation is that it is spurring some of us to re-embrace our >own > > > > ancestors. It is removing the shame that our elders had to live >with. > > This > > > > shame had no place and that is becoming clear to new generations. >If >we > > can > > > > influence people to live a balanced life then that is a great thing. > > After > > > > all, our children and their children will have to live in a world >shaped > > by > > > > the parents. We can not afford to be selfish with principles of > > balance. It > > > > seems that they need these principles much more than we do. > > > > > > > > Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> wrote: > > > > "Our spirituality" is not "just an idea" and it is not something we >went > > to > > > > class and learned somewhere, or got off the internet...it is born in >us > > > > (which is obvious to those Indians who were raised surrounded by a >white > > > > society) and a non-Indian may be able to learn from us some things, >but > > they > > > > cannot "acquire" what they are not born with, and their attempts to >put > > > > themselves on an "equal footing", with Indians, so to speak, is at >best > > > > futile...and at worst, an attempt at cultural theft... > > > > B. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:59 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > I shall play devil's advocate again and expose my rear to >everyone's > > > > slings > > > > > and arrows... > > > > > > > > > > What about those people who do not "want to be NA", but just think > > our > > > > > spirituality, philosophy and way of life is a good idea. I've had > > > > countless > > > > > elders tell me, "I don't care what kind of blood you have, as long >as > > it's > > > > > human". Just because an Anglo wants to practice our ways because >it > > works > > > > > for them, doesn't mean they deserve to be belittled by a >derogatory > > name. > > > > > Are there really that many among us that are so arrogant to do so. > > > > > > > > > > Where did we ever get the idea that that we were so exclusive? >Isn't > > that > > > > > TRUE racism? > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:45 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer, Where did the term come from? Arla > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:38 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Fay > > > > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no Indian >blood > > at > > > > all > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the > > quotes > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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