thanks for the info dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? > Patsy: > > Choctaw is a language that was, like other native languages, translated as > best the translator could manage, which was to spell it phonetically, or how > it sounded to him. That's why you will find many words that sound the same > when spoken, but are spelled differently. Examples: Houma, humma, homma or > the example we used of the word Chahta/Chata/Chatah/Chahta, etc. > > The language classes use both spoken words and written words,depending on > how the class is delivered. A child beginning to speak learns language from > repeating spoken words. When a medium like the internet is used and the > language cannot be spoken, words are spelled out. There are courses > available that use both written words and tapes of the language being > spoken, so that proper pronunciation may be heard. IMHO a serious student > needs both. I also feel one cannot learn a language unless there is someone > to speak it to, and to hear it from. > > In the 1800's there were a couple of Choctaw"dictionaries" written that > translated the spoken word into writing in an attempt to catalog the > language into a form that could be understood by non-speaking peoples. > Those dictionaries, particularly the Byington version, are frequently used > today by students. > > dusty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patsy Caleb <studentarchaeologist@home.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 12:09 AM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? > > > > Last year they had a language school going on ? How do you learn it if it > > is not written anywhere and how do they have these "learn the choctaw > > language school > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? > > > > > > > Chata and Chahta are the same meaning..they mean Choctaw...Some of us > > spell > > > it one way, some the other.Depends on how we first learned it...Since > the > > > Choctaw language was not a written language but only a spoken language, > > > there are no "absolutely correct" spellings...they have been spelled > > mainly > > > as they sound, tho in some cases, in my opinion, some letters have been > > used > > > that are not necessary...hopefully the spellings will be standardized at > > > some point, but til then, spelling phonetically usually gets the message > > > across.... > > > Barbara > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dennis Boswell" <dennisb@primenet.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:54 PM > > > Subject: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? > > > > > > > > > > I have seen this spelled both "Chata" and "Chahta." Which is correct? > > > > > > > > > > > > If the correct spelling is "Chata," then what does "Chahta" mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doesn't "Chata" or "Chahta" (whichever is correct) really refer to > > > > pre-removal Choctaw instead of post-removal Choctaw or is it used to > > refer > > > > to Choctaw without regard to either pre- or post-removal? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, is "Chata" or "Chahta" (whichever is correct) also the name of > the > > > > language spoken by pre- or post-removal Choctaws ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for all the questions, but based on what I have seen in some of > > the > > > > CHAHTA-L traffic lately, I am confused. Somewhere along the line, I > got > > > the > > > > impression that "Chahta" (with an "h") referred to the "old ones" and > > the > > > > language they spoke. Am I wrong? > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:26 PM 04/06/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >Chata is what the Choctaw call themselves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > > >Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the > > quotes > > > > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Dennis K. Boswell > > > > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > > > > Folsom, CA 95630 > > > > > > > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > > > > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the > list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information. Visit Rusty Lang's pages at http://www.choctaw-web.com for articles, censuses, etc. >