Halito Dusty and Dennis I almost didn't respond to this, but in my opinion Native American means that you were born here, not that you are Indian. Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:56:23 -0500 > >Both. For those who are offended by the word "Indian", please substitute >"Native American". I have used both and am personall not offended by >"Indian". > >dusty >----- Original Message ----- >From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:54 PM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > Dusty, did you mean to say "Indian" or should the question have read, >"What > > is a Native American?" > > > > At 08:29 PM 04/05/2001 -0500, you wrote: > > >Gemma and all: > > > > > >I am intrigued and challenged by your question, "Does the community >still > > >exist." I have pondered this question for many years and under many > > >different circumstances., and would like to get some feedback from >other > > >listmembers. > > > > > >What is the state of the Indian community today..... > > >Specifically, WHAT IS AN INDIAN? Is it a matter of blood quantum? > > >Lifestyle? Beliefs? > > > > > >There can be no argument that there is definite predjudice among NA as >to > > >"who is Indian" and who is not. There are "skins" and there are >"bloods". > > >Why the separation? What does it take to be considered "Indian >enough". > > >Are some NAs practicing a racism they would decry in other races.? >Don't > > >quote me the government's definition of Indian, I'm well aware of >that. > > > > > >I want the opinions of others on this list. > > > > > >dusty > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: David and Tommie Marsters <haili65@proaxis.com> > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:30 PM > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > Well put, Gemma. I agree. > > > > Tommie > > > > > > > > Gemma West wrote: > > > > > > > > > What has happened for many people is that they wander through life > > >trying to > > > > > figure out what is wrong...trying to figure out why they don't fit >in. > > > > > Attempts are made to mold themselves into someone else's >defintions >of > > >good > > > > > and bad. These attempts fail. Finally that person decides to >look >to > > >their > > > > > ancestors. They find themselves. They finally feel comfortable. >It is > > > > > obvious to all that ancestors shape our biological >characteristics. >It > > >is > > > > > obvious to me that ancestors shape our spirituality. The sad >thing >is > > >that > > > > > sometimes the assimilation is so thick that you can grow up around > > >Indians and > > > > > still not know your own spirituality. The beautiful thing is >finding > > >the few > > > > > who have refused assimilation and are willing to share knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > When non-Indian people ask to be allowed into the community it >causes us > > >to > > > > > question ourselves. Does community still exist? What are they >here >to > > >get? > > > > > Are we really different from them? I think the great thing about >this > > >reverse > > > > > acculturation is that it is spurring some of us to re-embrace our >own > > > > > ancestors. It is removing the shame that our elders had to live >with. > > >This > > > > > shame had no place and that is becoming clear to new generations. >If we > > >can > > > > > influence people to live a balanced life then that is a great >thing. > > >After > > > > > all, our children and their children will have to live in a world >shaped > > >by > > > > > the parents. We can not afford to be selfish with principles of > > >balance. It > > > > > seems that they need these principles much more than we do. > > > > > > > > > > Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> wrote: > > > > > "Our spirituality" is not "just an idea" and it is not something >we >went > > >to > > > > > class and learned somewhere, or got off the internet...it is born >in >us > > > > > (which is obvious to those Indians who were raised surrounded by a >white > > > > > society) and a non-Indian may be able to learn from us some >things, >but > > >they > > > > > cannot "acquire" what they are not born with, and their attempts >to >put > > > > > themselves on an "equal footing", with Indians, so to speak, is at >best > > > > > futile...and at worst, an attempt at cultural theft... > > > > > B. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:59 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > I shall play devil's advocate again and expose my rear to >everyone's > > > > > slings > > > > > > and arrows... > > > > > > > > > > > > What about those people who do not "want to be NA", but just >think > > >our > > > > > > spirituality, philosophy and way of life is a good idea. I've >had > > > > > countless > > > > > > elders tell me, "I don't care what kind of blood you have, as >long >as > > >it's > > > > > > human". Just because an Anglo wants to practice our ways >because >it > > >works > > > > > > for them, doesn't mean they deserve to be belittled by a >derogatory > > >name. > > > > > > Are there really that many among us that are so arrogant to do >so. > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did we ever get the idea that that we were so exclusive? >Isn't > > >that > > > > > > TRUE racism? > > > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:45 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer, Where did the term come from? Arla > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:38 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Fay > > > > > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no Indian >blood > > >at > > > > > all > > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without >the > > >quotes > > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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