Yes, Dennis. There are certainly many Choctaws amongst those people. Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> wrote: If I may ask, who might "those" be? Are there Choctaws included in "those?" At 09:59 PM 04/05/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I agree with everything you say. Unfortunately, there are those who do not >want us back. They reject us as having been "tainted" by too much white >blood, too much white ideas, and a million other excuses. > >dusty >----- Original Message ----- >From: Elkdreamer Wilkins <elkdremr@hotmail.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 9:36 PM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > Halito Barbara, Gemma And Dusty > > Last night I was talking to my nephew about the problem that we are >having > > of our kids getting involved with gangs and such. I was looking back on my > > life and the road that I took and tried to explain why It took that >course. > > In my experience I believe Indian people have a innerself that needs to be >a > > part of a tribe, this is our makeup our genetic being and our ancestors > > survival trait. In this day and age a lot of us being removed from the > > tribal closeness that were searching for took a lot of different roads. > > Luckly some of us finally found the Red road and are coming back to the >home > > fires of our people. > > When the rest finally find their way back we need to be there to help > > them. > > For seven generations > > Walk in Beauty > > Elkdreamer > > > > >From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:01:33 -0500 > > > > > >Those who have grown up in Indian communities but seem to have no >knowledge > > >of their own spirituality are still aware of something inside that is > > >different, even if they don't know what it is.(Because of the thick > > >assimilation) > > >And it is my hope that more of our people will recognise that we are not > > >"second class" and that our spirituality is not just a matter of >"beliefs", > > >and that it is not "inferior" to the spirituality any other race of > > >people...It is also my hope that those non-Indians who can learn a better > > >way of living in balance from Indians, or whoever, will do so... > > >B. > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Gemma West" <gemmawest@usa.net> > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:35 PM > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > What has happened for many people is that they wander through life > > >trying > > >to > > > > figure out what is wrong...trying to figure out why they don't fit in. > > > > Attempts are made to mold themselves into someone else's defintions of > > >good > > > > and bad. These attempts fail. Finally that person decides to look to > > >their > > > > ancestors. They find themselves. They finally feel comfortable. It >is > > > > obvious to all that ancestors shape our biological characteristics. >It > > >is > > > > obvious to me that ancestors shape our spirituality. The sad thing is > > >that > > > > sometimes the assimilation is so thick that you can grow up around > > >Indians > > >and > > > > still not know your own spirituality. The beautiful thing is finding > > >the > > >few > > > > who have refused assimilation and are willing to share knowledge. > > > > > > > > When non-Indian people ask to be allowed into the community it causes >us > > >to > > > > question ourselves. Does community still exist? What are they here >to > > >get? > > > > Are we really different from them? I think the great thing about this > > >reverse > > > > acculturation is that it is spurring some of us to re-embrace our own > > > > ancestors. It is removing the shame that our elders had to live with. > > >This > > > > shame had no place and that is becoming clear to new generations. If >we > > >can > > > > influence people to live a balanced life then that is a great thing. > > >After > > > > all, our children and their children will have to live in a world >shaped > > >by > > > > the parents. We can not afford to be selfish with principles of > > >balance. > > >It > > > > seems that they need these principles much more than we do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> wrote: > > > > "Our spirituality" is not "just an idea" and it is not something we >went > > >to > > > > class and learned somewhere, or got off the internet...it is born in >us > > > > (which is obvious to those Indians who were raised surrounded by a >white > > > > society) and a non-Indian may be able to learn from us some things, >but > > >they > > > > cannot "acquire" what they are not born with, and their attempts to >put > > > > themselves on an "equal footing", with Indians, so to speak, is at >best > > > > futile...and at worst, an attempt at cultural theft... > > > > B. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:59 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall play devil's advocate again and expose my rear to everyone's > > > > slings > > > > > and arrows... > > > > > > > > > > What about those people who do not "want to be NA", but just think > > >our > > > > > spirituality, philosophy and way of life is a good idea. I've had > > > > countless > > > > > elders tell me, "I don't care what kind of blood you have, as long >as > > >it's > > > > > human". Just because an Anglo wants to practice our ways because it > > >works > > > > > for them, doesn't mean they deserve to be belittled by a derogatory > > >name. > > > > > Are there really that many among us that are so arrogant to do so. > > > > > > > > > > Where did we ever get the idea that that we were so exclusive? >Isn't > > >that > > > > > TRUE racism? > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:45 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer, Where did the term come from? Arla > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:38 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Fay > > > > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no Indian >blood > > >at > > > > all > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the > > >quotes > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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