Last year they had a language school going on ? How do you learn it if it is not written anywhere and how do they have these "learn the choctaw language school ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? > Chata and Chahta are the same meaning..they mean Choctaw...Some of us spell > it one way, some the other.Depends on how we first learned it...Since the > Choctaw language was not a written language but only a spoken language, > there are no "absolutely correct" spellings...they have been spelled mainly > as they sound, tho in some cases, in my opinion, some letters have been used > that are not necessary...hopefully the spellings will be standardized at > some point, but til then, spelling phonetically usually gets the message > across.... > Barbara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Boswell" <dennisb@primenet.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:54 PM > Subject: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? > > > > I have seen this spelled both "Chata" and "Chahta." Which is correct? > > > > > > If the correct spelling is "Chata," then what does "Chahta" mean? > > > > > > > > Doesn't "Chata" or "Chahta" (whichever is correct) really refer to > > pre-removal Choctaw instead of post-removal Choctaw or is it used to refer > > to Choctaw without regard to either pre- or post-removal? > > > > > > > > Also, is "Chata" or "Chahta" (whichever is correct) also the name of the > > language spoken by pre- or post-removal Choctaws ? > > > > > > Sorry for all the questions, but based on what I have seen in some of the > > CHAHTA-L traffic lately, I am confused. Somewhere along the line, I got > the > > impression that "Chahta" (with an "h") referred to the "old ones" and the > > language they spoke. Am I wrong? > > > > > > At 11:26 PM 04/06/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > >Chata is what the Choctaw call themselves > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > >Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Dennis K. Boswell > > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > > Folsom, CA 95630 > > > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >
Patsy, When we first learned how to speak english, we didn't write it...we learned by sound only, and later we learned what letters were used to write those words....well, Choctaw was not written long ago,but only spoken, until someone came along who knew english and wanted to write what was being said in Choctaw using the same letters as english...so they listened to the way the Choctaw word sounded, and then used letters that came as close as possible to how the Choctaw word sounded...since then, people have been using those same letters to write in Choctaw. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patsy Caleb" <studentarchaeologist@home.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? > Last year they had a language school going on ? How do you learn it if it > is not written anywhere and how do they have these "learn the choctaw > language school > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:02 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? > > > > Chata and Chahta are the same meaning..they mean Choctaw...Some of us > spell > > it one way, some the other.Depends on how we first learned it...Since the > > Choctaw language was not a written language but only a spoken language, > > there are no "absolutely correct" spellings...they have been spelled > mainly > > as they sound, tho in some cases, in my opinion, some letters have been > used > > that are not necessary...hopefully the spellings will be standardized at > > some point, but til then, spelling phonetically usually gets the message > > across.... > > Barbara > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dennis Boswell" <dennisb@primenet.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:54 PM > > Subject: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? > > > > > > > I have seen this spelled both "Chata" and "Chahta." Which is correct? > > > > > > > > > If the correct spelling is "Chata," then what does "Chahta" mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > Doesn't "Chata" or "Chahta" (whichever is correct) really refer to > > > pre-removal Choctaw instead of post-removal Choctaw or is it used to > refer > > > to Choctaw without regard to either pre- or post-removal? > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, is "Chata" or "Chahta" (whichever is correct) also the name of the > > > language spoken by pre- or post-removal Choctaws ? > > > > > > > > > Sorry for all the questions, but based on what I have seen in some of > the > > > CHAHTA-L traffic lately, I am confused. Somewhere along the line, I got > > the > > > impression that "Chahta" (with an "h") referred to the "old ones" and > the > > > language they spoke. Am I wrong? > > > > > > > > > At 11:26 PM 04/06/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > >Chata is what the Choctaw call themselves > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > >Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the > quotes > > > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Dennis K. Boswell > > > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > > > Folsom, CA 95630 > > > > > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > > > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com >
Thanks for the info ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? > Patsy, > When we first learned how to speak english, we didn't write it...we learned > by sound only, and later we learned what letters were used to write those > words....well, Choctaw was not written long ago,but only spoken, until > someone came along who knew english and wanted to write what was being said > in Choctaw using the same letters as english...so they listened to the way > the Choctaw word sounded, and then used letters that came as close as > possible to how the Choctaw word sounded...since then, people have been > using those same letters to write in Choctaw. > Barbara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patsy Caleb" <studentarchaeologist@home.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 12:09 AM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? > > > > Last year they had a language school going on ? How do you learn it if it > > is not written anywhere and how do they have these "learn the choctaw > > language school > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? > > > > > > > Chata and Chahta are the same meaning..they mean Choctaw...Some of us > > spell > > > it one way, some the other.Depends on how we first learned it...Since > the > > > Choctaw language was not a written language but only a spoken language, > > > there are no "absolutely correct" spellings...they have been spelled > > mainly > > > as they sound, tho in some cases, in my opinion, some letters have been > > used > > > that are not necessary...hopefully the spellings will be standardized at > > > some point, but til then, spelling phonetically usually gets the message > > > across.... > > > Barbara > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dennis Boswell" <dennisb@primenet.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:54 PM > > > Subject: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? > > > > > > > > > > I have seen this spelled both "Chata" and "Chahta." Which is correct? > > > > > > > > > > > > If the correct spelling is "Chata," then what does "Chahta" mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doesn't "Chata" or "Chahta" (whichever is correct) really refer to > > > > pre-removal Choctaw instead of post-removal Choctaw or is it used to > > refer > > > > to Choctaw without regard to either pre- or post-removal? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, is "Chata" or "Chahta" (whichever is correct) also the name of > the > > > > language spoken by pre- or post-removal Choctaws ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for all the questions, but based on what I have seen in some of > > the > > > > CHAHTA-L traffic lately, I am confused. Somewhere along the line, I > got > > > the > > > > impression that "Chahta" (with an "h") referred to the "old ones" and > > the > > > > language they spoke. Am I wrong? > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:26 PM 04/06/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >Chata is what the Choctaw call themselves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > > >Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the > > quotes > > > > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Dennis K. Boswell > > > > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > > > > Folsom, CA 95630 > > > > > > > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > > > > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the > list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ >
Patsy: Choctaw is a language that was, like other native languages, translated as best the translator could manage, which was to spell it phonetically, or how it sounded to him. That's why you will find many words that sound the same when spoken, but are spelled differently. Examples: Houma, humma, homma or the example we used of the word Chahta/Chata/Chatah/Chahta, etc. The language classes use both spoken words and written words,depending on how the class is delivered. A child beginning to speak learns language from repeating spoken words. When a medium like the internet is used and the language cannot be spoken, words are spelled out. There are courses available that use both written words and tapes of the language being spoken, so that proper pronunciation may be heard. IMHO a serious student needs both. I also feel one cannot learn a language unless there is someone to speak it to, and to hear it from. In the 1800's there were a couple of Choctaw"dictionaries" written that translated the spoken word into writing in an attempt to catalog the language into a form that could be understood by non-speaking peoples. Those dictionaries, particularly the Byington version, are frequently used today by students. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: Patsy Caleb <studentarchaeologist@home.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? > Last year they had a language school going on ? How do you learn it if it > is not written anywhere and how do they have these "learn the choctaw > language school > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:02 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? > > > > Chata and Chahta are the same meaning..they mean Choctaw...Some of us > spell > > it one way, some the other.Depends on how we first learned it...Since the > > Choctaw language was not a written language but only a spoken language, > > there are no "absolutely correct" spellings...they have been spelled > mainly > > as they sound, tho in some cases, in my opinion, some letters have been > used > > that are not necessary...hopefully the spellings will be standardized at > > some point, but til then, spelling phonetically usually gets the message > > across.... > > Barbara > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dennis Boswell" <dennisb@primenet.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:54 PM > > Subject: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? > > > > > > > I have seen this spelled both "Chata" and "Chahta." Which is correct? > > > > > > > > > If the correct spelling is "Chata," then what does "Chahta" mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > Doesn't "Chata" or "Chahta" (whichever is correct) really refer to > > > pre-removal Choctaw instead of post-removal Choctaw or is it used to > refer > > > to Choctaw without regard to either pre- or post-removal? > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, is "Chata" or "Chahta" (whichever is correct) also the name of the > > > language spoken by pre- or post-removal Choctaws ? > > > > > > > > > Sorry for all the questions, but based on what I have seen in some of > the > > > CHAHTA-L traffic lately, I am confused. Somewhere along the line, I got > > the > > > impression that "Chahta" (with an "h") referred to the "old ones" and > the > > > language they spoke. Am I wrong? > > > > > > > > > At 11:26 PM 04/06/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > >Chata is what the Choctaw call themselves > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > >Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the > quotes > > > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Dennis K. Boswell > > > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > > > Folsom, CA 95630 > > > > > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > > > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com >