Yokoke Dusty *S* >From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:04:51 -0500 > >Yes Sonja, the white buffalo has come. Welcome to our circle and please >continue your input. > >dusty >----- Original Message ----- >From: Sonja Tashman <sonja_tashman@hotmail.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:22 AM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > Halito to all, > > Maybe I am wrong and I am sure I will be corrected if so LOL, but it >seems > > to me that in a round about way the prophecy of the Indian people once >again > > getting back all that belonged to them may, in a way, involve not the >actual > > possession of material possessions, but getting back to the old ways and > > beliefs? And if this may be true, then would it not matter that the >Nations > > be full bloods or mixed bloods? Again I say I may be wrong and fully > > prepared to be so but, I only know that even though I may be lighter >than > > most full bloods, my blood, heart and soul is the same as all my >relations > > from generations back. > > > > Sonja > > > > > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:36:28 -0700 > > > > > >Halito Barbara, Gemma And Dusty > > > Last night I was talking to my nephew about the problem that we are > > >having > > >of our kids getting involved with gangs and such. I was looking back on >my > > >life and the road that I took and tried to explain why It took that >course. > > >In my experience I believe Indian people have a innerself that needs to >be > > >a > > >part of a tribe, this is our makeup our genetic being and our ancestors > > >survival trait. In this day and age a lot of us being removed from the > > >tribal closeness that were searching for took a lot of different roads. > > >Luckly some of us finally found the Red road and are coming back to the > > >home > > >fires of our people. > > > When the rest finally find their way back we need to be there to help > > >them. > > > For seven generations > > > Walk in Beauty > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > >>From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > >>Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >>To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >>Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > >>Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:01:33 -0500 > > >> > > >>Those who have grown up in Indian communities but seem to have no > > >>knowledge > > >>of their own spirituality are still aware of something inside that is > > >>different, even if they don't know what it is.(Because of the thick > > >>assimilation) > > >>And it is my hope that more of our people will recognise that we are >not > > >>"second class" and that our spirituality is not just a matter of > > >>"beliefs", > > >>and that it is not "inferior" to the spirituality any other race of > > >>people...It is also my hope that those non-Indians who can learn a >better > > >>way of living in balance from Indians, or whoever, will do so... > > >>B. > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: "Gemma West" <gemmawest@usa.net> > > >>To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:35 PM > > >>Subject: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > >> > > >> > > >> > What has happened for many people is that they wander through life > > >>trying > > >>to > > >> > figure out what is wrong...trying to figure out why they don't fit >in. > > >> > Attempts are made to mold themselves into someone else's defintions >of > > >>good > > >> > and bad. These attempts fail. Finally that person decides to look >to > > >>their > > >> > ancestors. They find themselves. They finally feel comfortable. >It > > >>is > > >> > obvious to all that ancestors shape our biological characteristics. >It > > >>is > > >> > obvious to me that ancestors shape our spirituality. The sad thing >is > > >>that > > >> > sometimes the assimilation is so thick that you can grow up around > > >>Indians > > >>and > > >> > still not know your own spirituality. The beautiful thing is >finding > > >>the > > >>few > > >> > who have refused assimilation and are willing to share knowledge. > > >> > > > >> > When non-Indian people ask to be allowed into the community it >causes > > >>us > > >>to > > >> > question ourselves. Does community still exist? What are they >here >to > > >>get? > > >> > Are we really different from them? I think the great thing about >this > > >>reverse > > >> > acculturation is that it is spurring some of us to re-embrace our >own > > >> > ancestors. It is removing the shame that our elders had to live >with. > > >>This > > >> > shame had no place and that is becoming clear to new generations. >If > > >>we > > >>can > > >> > influence people to live a balanced life then that is a great >thing. > > >>After > > >> > all, our children and their children will have to live in a world > > >>shaped > > >>by > > >> > the parents. We can not afford to be selfish with principles of > > >>balance. > > >>It > > >> > seems that they need these principles much more than we do. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> wrote: > > >> > "Our spirituality" is not "just an idea" and it is not something we > > >>went > > >>to > > >> > class and learned somewhere, or got off the internet...it is born >in >us > > >> > (which is obvious to those Indians who were raised surrounded by a > > >>white > > >> > society) and a non-Indian may be able to learn from us some things, >but > > >>they > > >> > cannot "acquire" what they are not born with, and their attempts to >put > > >> > themselves on an "equal footing", with Indians, so to speak, is at >best > > >> > futile...and at worst, an attempt at cultural theft... > > >> > B. > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > >> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:59 PM > > >> > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > I shall play devil's advocate again and expose my rear to >everyone's > > >> > slings > > >> > > and arrows... > > >> > > > > >> > > What about those people who do not "want to be NA", but just >think > > >>our > > >> > > spirituality, philosophy and way of life is a good idea. I've >had > > >> > countless > > >> > > elders tell me, "I don't care what kind of blood you have, as >long >as > > >>it's > > >> > > human". Just because an Anglo wants to practice our ways because >it > > >>works > > >> > > for them, doesn't mean they deserve to be belittled by a >derogatory > > >>name. > > >> > > Are there really that many among us that are so arrogant to do >so. > > >> > > > > >> > > Where did we ever get the idea that that we were so exclusive? >Isn't > > >>that > > >> > > TRUE racism? > > >> > > > > >> > > dusty > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > >> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:45 PM > > >> > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Elkdreamer, Where did the term come from? Arla > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > >> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:38 PM > > >> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Halito Fay > > >> > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no Indian >blood > > >>at > > >> > all > > >> > > > > Walk in Beauty > > >> > > > > Elkdreamer > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > >> > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > >> > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > >> > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the > > >>quotes > > >> > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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