Last year they had a language school going on ? How do you learn it if it is not written anywhere and how do they have these "learn the choctaw language school ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? > Chata and Chahta are the same meaning..they mean Choctaw...Some of us spell > it one way, some the other.Depends on how we first learned it...Since the > Choctaw language was not a written language but only a spoken language, > there are no "absolutely correct" spellings...they have been spelled mainly > as they sound, tho in some cases, in my opinion, some letters have been used > that are not necessary...hopefully the spellings will be standardized at > some point, but til then, spelling phonetically usually gets the message > across.... > Barbara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Boswell" <dennisb@primenet.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:54 PM > Subject: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? > > > > I have seen this spelled both "Chata" and "Chahta." Which is correct? > > > > > > If the correct spelling is "Chata," then what does "Chahta" mean? > > > > > > > > Doesn't "Chata" or "Chahta" (whichever is correct) really refer to > > pre-removal Choctaw instead of post-removal Choctaw or is it used to refer > > to Choctaw without regard to either pre- or post-removal? > > > > > > > > Also, is "Chata" or "Chahta" (whichever is correct) also the name of the > > language spoken by pre- or post-removal Choctaws ? > > > > > > Sorry for all the questions, but based on what I have seen in some of the > > CHAHTA-L traffic lately, I am confused. Somewhere along the line, I got > the > > impression that "Chahta" (with an "h") referred to the "old ones" and the > > language they spoke. Am I wrong? > > > > > > At 11:26 PM 04/06/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > >Chata is what the Choctaw call themselves > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > >Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Dennis K. Boswell > > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > > Folsom, CA 95630 > > > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

Dusty said one time if we could find her "Smith" Choctaw family she would put us in her will, all I want is her books. LOL Fay ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re: THANKS TO OUR ANCESTORS > Dusty, several times a day, I am amazed at your personal warehouse of > historic and legal knowledge about Choctaw history. I cannot imagine how > many shelves, boxes and stacks of information you likely surround yourself > with in your home, or is it all in your head?. > > At 08:28 PM 04/06/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >Those limitations on being able to do business without a legal guardian for > >1/2 or fullbloods were called "restrictions", and that law as formally > >struck down around the turn of the century, I believe. I can't put my hand > >on the exact date at the moment. > > > >dusty > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > Regards, > > Dennis K. Boswell > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > Folsom, CA 95630 > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ >

I believe she was in Wisconsin

Fay, So wisely said. I can still hear my Grandfather say to me, " Arla, you know what is right." Arla ----- Original Message ----- From: "faynshep" <faynshep@telapex.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re: THANKS TO OUR ANCESTORS > You know we were promised we would get weaker but wiser. I know I'm getting > weaker and the wiser part I'm not to sure of. Yes, we owe our ancestors a > debt that we will never repay. We all are trying to honor their memory by > searching out their records and bringing them out from obscurity and writing > their names down so that they might always be remembered. And no, I don't > think I would have had the metal that they had or the courage and strength > so to remember them, to speak of them, to honor them and put their records > down in a book for all generations to come, is a good thing for all of us to > do. I know in my heart that they know us, that they care about us, that > when we do good they are happy for us and when we do not, that they are sad, > so always try to give them the honor and respect they deserve and try to be > the best person you can be if for no other reason but to honor your > ancestors. > Fay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Linda Branum <mamalin@1s.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:57 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re: THANKS TO OUR ANCESTORS > > > > I think thats awful but our ancestors sure went thru a lot for us. > Let's > > all praise them for their efforts. > > I'm not sure I could have made it but I would have given it all my might > > for my children and grands. > > Regards, Linda > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Amarya@aol.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 5:40 PM > > Subject: [CHAHTA] Re: CHAHTA-D Digest V01 #197 > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/6/01 12:37:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > CHAHTA-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > There are many Indian's who didn't enroll as NA so the goverment > > wouldn't > > > > get into their business. I am sure thats why lots of the ones who > can't > > find > > > > any documentation can't find that. I also heard that in some places > if > > you > > > > were NA and told you were 1/2 or more blood that the goverment said > that > > you > > > > had to have a white person take care of your business. Has anyone else > > heard > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > Yes, that was true. My Choctaw grandmother had to get permission to > > handle > > > her own land!!! Mary > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

I'm sorry, but according to my friend Iris with the Lakota Sioux on the Pine Ridge reservation, she was helping me to gather information on a family that I could help out this winter personally by going straight to them instead of some organization and paying them some sort of fee. The family she found for me was an elderly man named Ross and his grandson Mathew. Ross and Mathew were in the dark and in the cold because their "guardian" had not paid their light bill or paid for them some butane. With all the millions and millions that this country owes to the Native Americans, I took a small $20.00 and mailed Ross and Mathew a blanket, socks, caps, and some food. Now, you tell me who needs repriations? Fay ----- Original Message ----- From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re: THANKS TO OUR ANCESTORS > Those limitations on being able to do business without a legal guardian for > 1/2 or fullbloods were called "restrictions", and that law as formally > struck down around the turn of the century, I believe. I can't put my hand > on the exact date at the moment. > > dusty > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

It is a Choctaw ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patsy Caleb" <studentarchaeologist@home.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re:Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians Tribal Membership Requirements > What is a Chata? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kim Collins <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 7:10 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re:Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians Tribal > Membership Requirements > > > > Dennis, Thanks for the reply. It is as I thought and I understand their > > reasoning. To keep the Chata race as pure as possible. It is sad that the > > numbers are dwindling and will continue to decline though. Another product > > of assimilation, but a noble effort by the Mississippi Band of Choctaw. I > > wish them well. > > Kim > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dennis Boswell" <dennisb@primenet.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:48 AM > > Subject: [CHAHTA] Re:Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians Tribal Membership > > Requirements > > > > > > > Halito, Kim. > > > > > > When I last visited Philadelphia, MS, (October, 1998) their checklist > for > > > tribal membership included: > > > > > > "Before you apply be sure you are one-half (1/2) or more Choctaw blood > and > > > are a descendant of an enrolled member of the Mississippi Band of > Choctaw > > > Indians listed in the 1940 roll. (See Articles III, Section 1 and 2 of > the > > > Tribal Constitution). > > > > > > Make sure: > > > > > > 1. The Application for Enrollment is completed > > > 2. The Ancestry Chart is completed > > > 3. If applicant is under 18 years old both parents must sign. > > > 4. Original long form birth certificate is included > > > 5. A copy of the Social Security card is included. > > > 6. An original of the Parternity (sp) Affidavit is included (if needed) > > > 7. Statement from official of the other Indian tribe (if applicable) > > > stating the inividual (sp) is not enrolled with them is included. > > > > > > Please mail to the following address: > > > > > > Mrs. Angela Briscoe > > > Tribal Enrollment Office > > > Post Office Box 6365 > > > Philadelphia, Mississippi 39350" > > > > > > This information appeared as shown above in a copy of "A Choctaw > > Handybook" > > > that I purchased from the Choctaw Museum Gift Shoppe located in the > > > Choctaw Museum of the Southern Indian. At the time (October, 1998), they > > > had available a Gift Shoppe list of items for sale along with prices. > The > > > Gift Shoppe's Telephone number was (601) 650-1685 and their Web site was > > > http://allcatalogs.com/choctaw. However, I just tried that web site and > it > > > did not respond. > > > > > > > > > At 11:32 PM 04/05/2001 -0500, you wrote: > > > >The Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma accepts all who can trace their lineage > to > > an > > > >original enrollee ( and who have a CDIB) of the Choctaw roll regardless > > of > > > >blood quantum. > > > >I personally prefer American Indian as any one born in the US is NA. > > Don't > > > >profess to know what the Choctaw nation of OK thinks about the term > > though. > > > >Yes the Choctaw have had dealings and inter marriages with Europeans > for > > > >many years. Many great chiefs were of mixed blood. > > > >I do believe that MS Choctaw have a more stringent requirement for > tribal > > > >membership but I am not sure. > > > >Perhaps there is some one on the list who can supply you a better > > answer. > > > >Kim > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: <Chata1507@aol.com> > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 9:46 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been told that the Choctaw Nation prefers the term Indian > over > > > >native > > > > > American since anyone born in America is also a native American. > This > > > >makes > > > > > sense to me. However, each nation has their own opinion. In > addition > > I > > > > > think it's what ever you are comfortable with. > > > > > > > > > > On a previous question. In Minnesota the tribes historically > accepted > > > > > persons into tribe who basically moved in with them, became > community > > > > > supporters and identified with the tribe and its goals. This > included > > > > > captives who were adopted. Friends on various reservations in > > Minnesota > > > >also > > > > > chuckle at the concept of full blood because over the years of euro > > > >contact > > > > > who can really know blood genetics. For example Crazy Horse was > light > > > >haired > > > > > and blue eyed according to a Lakota friend. The Mandans have many > > with > > > >light > > > > > eyes and hair. > > > > > > > > > > Look at the pictures of a lot of the old Choctaw and you see euro > > > >influence. > > > > > The Choctaw have had contact since they ran De Soto out in the early > > > >1500s. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at > > > >http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Dennis K. Boswell > > > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > > > Folsom, CA 95630 > > > > > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > > > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the > > list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > > CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ >

You know we were promised we would get weaker but wiser. I know I'm getting weaker and the wiser part I'm not to sure of. Yes, we owe our ancestors a debt that we will never repay. We all are trying to honor their memory by searching out their records and bringing them out from obscurity and writing their names down so that they might always be remembered. And no, I don't think I would have had the metal that they had or the courage and strength so to remember them, to speak of them, to honor them and put their records down in a book for all generations to come, is a good thing for all of us to do. I know in my heart that they know us, that they care about us, that when we do good they are happy for us and when we do not, that they are sad, so always try to give them the honor and respect they deserve and try to be the best person you can be if for no other reason but to honor your ancestors. Fay ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Branum <mamalin@1s.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re: THANKS TO OUR ANCESTORS > I think thats awful but our ancestors sure went thru a lot for us. Let's > all praise them for their efforts. > I'm not sure I could have made it but I would have given it all my might > for my children and grands. > Regards, Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Amarya@aol.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 5:40 PM > Subject: [CHAHTA] Re: CHAHTA-D Digest V01 #197 > > > > In a message dated 4/6/01 12:37:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > CHAHTA-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > > > > There are many Indian's who didn't enroll as NA so the goverment > wouldn't > > > get into their business. I am sure thats why lots of the ones who can't > find > > > any documentation can't find that. I also heard that in some places if > you > > > were NA and told you were 1/2 or more blood that the goverment said that > you > > > had to have a white person take care of your business. Has anyone else > heard > > > this? > > > > > > > Yes, that was true. My Choctaw grandmother had to get permission to > handle > > her own land!!! Mary > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

But how do you know what year that roll was done? I'm thinking there is some broad span of years. Do you just have to wait until you get the packet and then will you be able to find out about when they were born? Fay ----- Original Message ----- From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > Yes, age is listed on the Dawes roll. You calculate it from the year that > particular roll was done. > > dusty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:06 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > You know, it tells you so much but it doesn't say what year that > information > > was taken so you don't know when a person was born. I will call them and > see > > if I can order over the phone. > > Fay > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 7:22 AM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > I can tell you what family members are listed on the same census card, > > > sometimes helping people to recognize if a name is their ancestor or > not. > > > > > > Seems to me like I have been told you can do this over the phone with > > credit > > > card. > > > > > > dusty > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:14 AM > > > Subject: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > > > > Dusty, Can you order a packet over the phone and pay with a credit > card? > > > > I have a name, age, census number, and roll number. Is there any more > > > info. > > > > on what you have? > > > > Fay > > > > Don't ever give up.!!!! > > > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/gedcoms/ratcliff/ > > > > List owner HOLDEN-L, SCHIFANO-L > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the > quotes > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ >

Dennis, Thanks for the reply. It is as I thought and I understand their reasoning. To keep the Chata race as pure as possible. It is sad that the numbers are dwindling and will continue to decline though. Another product of assimilation, but a noble effort by the Mississippi Band of Choctaw. I wish them well. Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Boswell" <dennisb@primenet.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:48 AM Subject: [CHAHTA] Re:Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians Tribal Membership Requirements > Halito, Kim. > > When I last visited Philadelphia, MS, (October, 1998) their checklist for > tribal membership included: > > "Before you apply be sure you are one-half (1/2) or more Choctaw blood and > are a descendant of an enrolled member of the Mississippi Band of Choctaw > Indians listed in the 1940 roll. (See Articles III, Section 1 and 2 of the > Tribal Constitution). > > Make sure: > > 1. The Application for Enrollment is completed > 2. The Ancestry Chart is completed > 3. If applicant is under 18 years old both parents must sign. > 4. Original long form birth certificate is included > 5. A copy of the Social Security card is included. > 6. An original of the Parternity (sp) Affidavit is included (if needed) > 7. Statement from official of the other Indian tribe (if applicable) > stating the inividual (sp) is not enrolled with them is included. > > Please mail to the following address: > > Mrs. Angela Briscoe > Tribal Enrollment Office > Post Office Box 6365 > Philadelphia, Mississippi 39350" > > This information appeared as shown above in a copy of "A Choctaw Handybook" > that I purchased from the Choctaw Museum Gift Shoppe located in the > Choctaw Museum of the Southern Indian. At the time (October, 1998), they > had available a Gift Shoppe list of items for sale along with prices. The > Gift Shoppe's Telephone number was (601) 650-1685 and their Web site was > http://allcatalogs.com/choctaw. However, I just tried that web site and it > did not respond. > > > At 11:32 PM 04/05/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >The Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma accepts all who can trace their lineage to an > >original enrollee ( and who have a CDIB) of the Choctaw roll regardless of > >blood quantum. > >I personally prefer American Indian as any one born in the US is NA. Don't > >profess to know what the Choctaw nation of OK thinks about the term though. > >Yes the Choctaw have had dealings and inter marriages with Europeans for > >many years. Many great chiefs were of mixed blood. > >I do believe that MS Choctaw have a more stringent requirement for tribal > >membership but I am not sure. > >Perhaps there is some one on the list who can supply you a better answer. > >Kim > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: <Chata1507@aol.com> > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 9:46 PM > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > I have been told that the Choctaw Nation prefers the term Indian over > >native > > > American since anyone born in America is also a native American. This > >makes > > > sense to me. However, each nation has their own opinion. In addition I > > > think it's what ever you are comfortable with. > > > > > > On a previous question. In Minnesota the tribes historically accepted > > > persons into tribe who basically moved in with them, became community > > > supporters and identified with the tribe and its goals. This included > > > captives who were adopted. Friends on various reservations in Minnesota > >also > > > chuckle at the concept of full blood because over the years of euro > >contact > > > who can really know blood genetics. For example Crazy Horse was light > >haired > > > and blue eyed according to a Lakota friend. The Mandans have many with > >light > > > eyes and hair. > > > > > > Look at the pictures of a lot of the old Choctaw and you see euro > >influence. > > > The Choctaw have had contact since they ran De Soto out in the early > >1500s. > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at > >http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > Regards, > > Dennis K. Boswell > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > Folsom, CA 95630 > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > >

I have seen this spelled both "Chata" and "Chahta." Which is correct? If the correct spelling is "Chata," then what does "Chahta" mean? Doesn't "Chata" or "Chahta" (whichever is correct) really refer to pre-removal Choctaw instead of post-removal Choctaw or is it used to refer to Choctaw without regard to either pre- or post-removal? Also, is "Chata" or "Chahta" (whichever is correct) also the name of the language spoken by pre- or post-removal Choctaws ? Sorry for all the questions, but based on what I have seen in some of the CHAHTA-L traffic lately, I am confused. Somewhere along the line, I got the impression that "Chahta" (with an "h") referred to the "old ones" and the language they spoke. Am I wrong? At 11:26 PM 04/06/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Chata is what the Choctaw call themselves > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: >Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... Regards, Dennis K. Boswell 301 Crow Canyon Drive Folsom, CA 95630 Tel: (916) 987-3599 Fax: (916) 987-3555

I think an appropriate word here is "SCREWED", pardon my language. > > dusty > Actually Dusty I think that is a perfect word.One of my Grandmothers chose to stay in MS and she was given the script. About 1852 she chose to come to Oklahoma so she was to trade her script for land here. When she got here ,there had been a paper mix up!!!!!!! Yeah right !!!!!!! So she got nothing. Arla

Those limitations on being able to do business without a legal guardian for 1/2 or fullbloods were called "restrictions", and that law as formally struck down around the turn of the century, I believe. I can't put my hand on the exact date at the moment. dusty

Probably was. This one appears to be a different calf. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: Juli Kearns <jmme@mindspring.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo > http://www.spokane.net/news-story-body.asp?Date=032500&ID=s759145&cat= > > Perhaps "Medicine Wheel" is the calf you're thinking about that was > killed. Looked and found an article. I'd recalled reading about it around > a year ago. > > > >We heard a rumor down here that she had been killed by an outsider, found > >shot to death in her corral, but don't know if that's true or not. I > >certainly hope not, but knowing the state of the country today I wouldn't be > >surprised. That's all I know. Perhaps those closer to her or perhaps > >someone who has visited her can add more. > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information. Visit Rusty Lang's pages at http://www.choctaw-web.com for articles, censuses, etc. >

HA!! This is it!! We tried a chat room once and it failed. People are on such different schedules, no one has a set time to sit down and chat. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: Patsy Caleb <studentarchaeologist@home.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re: CHAHTA-D Digest V01 #195 > does anyone know of a good choctaw chat room > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Amarya@aol.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:28 AM > Subject: [CHAHTA] Re: CHAHTA-D Digest V01 #195 > > > > In a message dated 4/6/01 8:40:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > CHAHTA-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > > > > This medium is second-best, to be sure, but it's all we have at present. > > > Many of us have met face-to-face, and I hope those opportunities will > > > continue to arise in the future. A good gathering place is at > Choctaw-Fair > > > coming up in Mississippi in July. I hope all who can, will attend. > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dusty, > > In a sense, I may be a "lost bird" as I was born and raised in > > California. However, I do belong to the OK Choctaws and was raised with > the > > knowledge that I was part of that nation. My mother was born in Caddo, OK > > and I grew up with her telling me this fact often. I don't look indian > and > > don't have much blood quantum, but I have felt closer to the OK Choctaw > than > > the Scots or Irish or anything else. I have always been proud of my > Indian > > heritage, even before it was cool. Mary > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Need more CHOCTAW information. Visit Rusty Lang's pages at > http://www.choctaw-web.com for articles, censuses, etc. > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

You had a live white buffalo?? dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: Patsy Caleb <studentarchaeologist@home.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo > i had a white buffalo once, bought it in okla city > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:45 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo > > > > Basically, it is an old prophecy given to the Lakotas and their brothers, > > that White Buffalo Calf Woman, the spirit who gave them their pipe and > other > > sacraments, would return in the form of a white buffalo. When that > happend, > > the culture of the Indian people would again arise and native people would > > again become the dominant culture/guiding force of this continent. > > > > There has been no female white buffalo born in the US since "Miracle", who > > was born on a northern farm about 6-7 years ago (???). Can't remember > what > > state. There have been white male buffaloes, the last was seen in > Yosemite > > during the 30's I believe, but never a female. These are not albinos, as > > they have dark eyes and hoofs, just an aborration of nature that crops up > > rarely. > > > > It is my understanding that she has been recognized by the elders and > > medicine people of the Lakotas as being the fulfillment of that prophecy. > > I've not personally seen her, but the news that filters down to us is that > > she is fulfilling prophecy by turning the four colors of man. She was > born > > white, then turned yellow, is now brown, but is expected to mature to a > > black color. The farmer who owns her has made a place for those visiting > > her and making offerings to do so. He has promised not to kill her. > > > > We heard a rumor down here that she had been killed by an outsider, found > > shot to death in her corral, but don't know if that's true or not. I > > certainly hope not, but knowing the state of the country today I wouldn't > be > > surprised. That's all I know. Perhaps those closer to her or perhaps > > someone who has visited her can add more. > > > > dusty > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Linda Branum <mamalin@1s.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo > > > > > > > Dusty, > > > Will you please explain the legend of the white buffalo to the new > ones > > on > > > the list or give us a URL to go to that would explain it. I know the > > legend > > > but some might not. > > > Thanks in advance. > > > Regards, Linda Kirby Branum > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:04 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > Yes Sonja, the white buffalo has come. Welcome to our circle and > please > > > > continue your input. > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Sonja Tashman <sonja_tashman@hotmail.com> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:22 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito to all, > > > > > Maybe I am wrong and I am sure I will be corrected if so LOL, but it > > > seems > > > > > to me that in a round about way the prophecy of the Indian people > once > > > > again > > > > > getting back all that belonged to them may, in a way, involve not > the > > > > actual > > > > > possession of material possessions, but getting back to the old ways > > and > > > > > beliefs? And if this may be true, then would it not matter that the > > > > Nations > > > > > be full bloods or mixed bloods? Again I say I may be wrong and fully > > > > > prepared to be so but, I only know that even though I may be lighter > > > than > > > > > most full bloods, my blood, heart and soul is the same as all my > > > > relations > > > > > from generations back. > > > > > > > > > > Sonja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:36:28 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > >Halito Barbara, Gemma And Dusty > > > > > > Last night I was talking to my nephew about the problem that we > are > > > > > >having > > > > > >of our kids getting involved with gangs and such. I was looking > back > > on > > > > my > > > > > >life and the road that I took and tried to explain why It took that > > > > course. > > > > > >In my experience I believe Indian people have a innerself that > needs > > to > > > > be > > > > > >a > > > > > >part of a tribe, this is our makeup our genetic being and our > > ancestors > > > > > >survival trait. In this day and age a lot of us being removed from > > the > > > > > >tribal closeness that were searching for took a lot of different > > roads. > > > > > >Luckly some of us finally found the Red road and are coming back to > > the > > > > > >home > > > > > >fires of our people. > > > > > > When the rest finally find their way back we need to be there to > > help > > > > > >them. > > > > > > For seven generations > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > > > > >>Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >>To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >>Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > >>Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:01:33 -0500 > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Those who have grown up in Indian communities but seem to have no > > > > > >>knowledge > > > > > >>of their own spirituality are still aware of something inside > that > > is > > > > > >>different, even if they don't know what it is.(Because of the > thick > > > > > >>assimilation) > > > > > >>And it is my hope that more of our people will recognise that we > are > > > not > > > > > >>"second class" and that our spirituality is not just a matter of > > > > > >>"beliefs", > > > > > >>and that it is not "inferior" to the spirituality any other race > of > > > > > >>people...It is also my hope that those non-Indians who can learn a > > > > better > > > > > >>way of living in balance from Indians, or whoever, will do so... > > > > > >>B. > > > > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >>From: "Gemma West" <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > > > >>To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > >>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:35 PM > > > > > >>Subject: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > What has happened for many people is that they wander through > > life > > > > > >>trying > > > > > >>to > > > > > >> > figure out what is wrong...trying to figure out why they don't > > fit > > > > in. > > > > > >> > Attempts are made to mold themselves into someone else's > > defintions > > > > of > > > > > >>good > > > > > >> > and bad. These attempts fail. Finally that person decides to > > look > > > > to > > > > > >>their > > > > > >> > ancestors. They find themselves. They finally feel > comfortable. > > > It > > > > > >>is > > > > > >> > obvious to all that ancestors shape our biological > > characteristics. > > > > It > > > > > >>is > > > > > >> > obvious to me that ancestors shape our spirituality. The sad > > thing > > > > is > > > > > >>that > > > > > >> > sometimes the assimilation is so thick that you can grow up > > around > > > > > >>Indians > > > > > >>and > > > > > >> > still not know your own spirituality. The beautiful thing is > > > finding > > > > > >>the > > > > > >>few > > > > > >> > who have refused assimilation and are willing to share > knowledge. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > When non-Indian people ask to be allowed into the community it > > > causes > > > > > >>us > > > > > >>to > > > > > >> > question ourselves. Does community still exist? What are they > > > here > > > > to > > > > > >>get? > > > > > >> > Are we really different from them? I think the great thing > about > > > this > > > > > >>reverse > > > > > >> > acculturation is that it is spurring some of us to re-embrace > our > > > own > > > > > >> > ancestors. It is removing the shame that our elders had to > live > > > > with. > > > > > >>This > > > > > >> > shame had no place and that is becoming clear to new > generations. > > > If > > > > > >>we > > > > > >>can > > > > > >> > influence people to live a balanced life then that is a great > > > thing. > > > > > >>After > > > > > >> > all, our children and their children will have to live in a > world > > > > > >>shaped > > > > > >>by > > > > > >> > the parents. We can not afford to be selfish with principles > of > > > > > >>balance. > > > > > >>It > > > > > >> > seems that they need these principles much more than we do. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> wrote: > > > > > >> > "Our spirituality" is not "just an idea" and it is not > something > > we > > > > > >>went > > > > > >>to > > > > > >> > class and learned somewhere, or got off the internet...it is > born > > > in > > > > us > > > > > >> > (which is obvious to those Indians who were raised surrounded > by > > a > > > > > >>white > > > > > >> > society) and a non-Indian may be able to learn from us some > > things, > > > > but > > > > > >>they > > > > > >> > cannot "acquire" what they are not born with, and their > attempts > > to > > > > put > > > > > >> > themselves on an "equal footing", with Indians, so to speak, is > > at > > > > best > > > > > >> > futile...and at worst, an attempt at cultural theft... > > > > > >> > B. > > > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >> > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > >> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:59 PM > > > > > >> > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > I shall play devil's advocate again and expose my rear to > > > > everyone's > > > > > >> > slings > > > > > >> > > and arrows... > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > What about those people who do not "want to be NA", but just > > > think > > > > > >>our > > > > > >> > > spirituality, philosophy and way of life is a good idea. > I've > > > had > > > > > >> > countless > > > > > >> > > elders tell me, "I don't care what kind of blood you have, as > > > long > > > > as > > > > > >>it's > > > > > >> > > human". Just because an Anglo wants to practice our ways > > because > > > > it > > > > > >>works > > > > > >> > > for them, doesn't mean they deserve to be belittled by a > > > derogatory > > > > > >>name. > > > > > >> > > Are there really that many among us that are so arrogant to > do > > > so. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Where did we ever get the idea that that we were so > exclusive? > > > > Isn't > > > > > >>that > > > > > >> > > TRUE racism? > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > dusty > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >> > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > > > >> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:45 PM > > > > > >> > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Elkdreamer, Where did the term come from? Arla > > > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >> > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > >> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:38 PM > > > > > >> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Halito Fay > > > > > >> > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no > Indian > > > > blood > > > > > >>at > > > > > >> > all > > > > > >> > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > >> > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > >> > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > > >> > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > >> > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... 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oh ok ----- Original Message ----- From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re: CHAHTA-D Digest V01 #195 > HA!! This is it!! We tried a chat room once and it failed. People are on > such different schedules, no one has a set time to sit down and chat. > > dusty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patsy Caleb <studentarchaeologist@home.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:17 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re: CHAHTA-D Digest V01 #195 > > > > does anyone know of a good choctaw chat room > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Amarya@aol.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:28 AM > > Subject: [CHAHTA] Re: CHAHTA-D Digest V01 #195 > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/6/01 8:40:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > CHAHTA-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > This medium is second-best, to be sure, but it's all we have at > present. > > > > Many of us have met face-to-face, and I hope those opportunities will > > > > continue to arise in the future. A good gathering place is at > > Choctaw-Fair > > > > coming up in Mississippi in July. I hope all who can, will attend. > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dusty, > > > In a sense, I may be a "lost bird" as I was born and raised in > > > California. However, I do belong to the OK Choctaws and was raised with > > the > > > knowledge that I was part of that nation. My mother was born in Caddo, > OK > > > and I grew up with her telling me this fact often. I don't look indian > > and > > > don't have much blood quantum, but I have felt closer to the OK Choctaw > > than > > > the Scots or Irish or anything else. I have always been proud of my > > Indian > > > heritage, even before it was cool. Mary > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Need more CHOCTAW information. Visit Rusty Lang's pages at > > http://www.choctaw-web.com for articles, censuses, etc. > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. >

no i bought him at the store ----- Original Message ----- From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo > You had a live white buffalo?? > > dusty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patsy Caleb <studentarchaeologist@home.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:08 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo > > > > i had a white buffalo once, bought it in okla city > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo > > > > > > > Basically, it is an old prophecy given to the Lakotas and their > brothers, > > > that White Buffalo Calf Woman, the spirit who gave them their pipe and > > other > > > sacraments, would return in the form of a white buffalo. When that > > happend, > > > the culture of the Indian people would again arise and native people > would > > > again become the dominant culture/guiding force of this continent. > > > > > > There has been no female white buffalo born in the US since "Miracle", > who > > > was born on a northern farm about 6-7 years ago (???). Can't remember > > what > > > state. There have been white male buffaloes, the last was seen in > > Yosemite > > > during the 30's I believe, but never a female. These are not albinos, > as > > > they have dark eyes and hoofs, just an aborration of nature that crops > up > > > rarely. > > > > > > It is my understanding that she has been recognized by the elders and > > > medicine people of the Lakotas as being the fulfillment of that > prophecy. > > > I've not personally seen her, but the news that filters down to us is > that > > > she is fulfilling prophecy by turning the four colors of man. She was > > born > > > white, then turned yellow, is now brown, but is expected to mature to a > > > black color. The farmer who owns her has made a place for those > visiting > > > her and making offerings to do so. He has promised not to kill her. > > > > > > We heard a rumor down here that she had been killed by an outsider, > found > > > shot to death in her corral, but don't know if that's true or not. I > > > certainly hope not, but knowing the state of the country today I > wouldn't > > be > > > surprised. That's all I know. Perhaps those closer to her or perhaps > > > someone who has visited her can add more. > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Linda Branum <mamalin@1s.net> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:33 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo > > > > > > > > > > Dusty, > > > > Will you please explain the legend of the white buffalo to the new > > ones > > > on > > > > the list or give us a URL to go to that would explain it. I know the > > > legend > > > > but some might not. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Regards, Linda Kirby Branum > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:04 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes Sonja, the white buffalo has come. Welcome to our circle and > > please > > > > > continue your input. > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Sonja Tashman <sonja_tashman@hotmail.com> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:22 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito to all, > > > > > > Maybe I am wrong and I am sure I will be corrected if so LOL, but > it > > > > seems > > > > > > to me that in a round about way the prophecy of the Indian people > > once > > > > > again > > > > > > getting back all that belonged to them may, in a way, involve not > > the > > > > > actual > > > > > > possession of material possessions, but getting back to the old > ways > > > and > > > > > > beliefs? And if this may be true, then would it not matter that > the > > > > > Nations > > > > > > be full bloods or mixed bloods? Again I say I may be wrong and > fully > > > > > > prepared to be so but, I only know that even though I may be > lighter > > > > than > > > > > > most full bloods, my blood, heart and soul is the same as all my > > > > > relations > > > > > > from generations back. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:36:28 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Halito Barbara, Gemma And Dusty > > > > > > > Last night I was talking to my nephew about the problem that we > > are > > > > > > >having > > > > > > >of our kids getting involved with gangs and such. I was looking > > back > > > on > > > > > my > > > > > > >life and the road that I took and tried to explain why It took > that > > > > > course. > > > > > > >In my experience I believe Indian people have a innerself that > > needs > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > >a > > > > > > >part of a tribe, this is our makeup our genetic being and our > > > ancestors > > > > > > >survival trait. In this day and age a lot of us being removed > from > > > the > > > > > > >tribal closeness that were searching for took a lot of different > > > roads. > > > > > > >Luckly some of us finally found the Red road and are coming back > to > > > the > > > > > > >home > > > > > > >fires of our people. > > > > > > > When the rest finally find their way back we need to be there > to > > > help > > > > > > >them. > > > > > > > For seven generations > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > > > > > >>Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > >>To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > >>Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > >>Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:01:33 -0500 > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Those who have grown up in Indian communities but seem to have > no > > > > > > >>knowledge > > > > > > >>of their own spirituality are still aware of something inside > > that > > > is > > > > > > >>different, even if they don't know what it is.(Because of the > > thick > > > > > > >>assimilation) > > > > > > >>And it is my hope that more of our people will recognise that we > > are > > > > not > > > > > > >>"second class" and that our spirituality is not just a matter of > > > > > > >>"beliefs", > > > > > > >>and that it is not "inferior" to the spirituality any other race > > of > > > > > > >>people...It is also my hope that those non-Indians who can learn > a > > > > > better > > > > > > >>way of living in balance from Indians, or whoever, will do so... > > > > > > >>B. > > > > > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >>From: "Gemma West" <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > > > > >>To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > >>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:35 PM > > > > > > >>Subject: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > What has happened for many people is that they wander through > > > life > > > > > > >>trying > > > > > > >>to > > > > > > >> > figure out what is wrong...trying to figure out why they > don't > > > fit > > > > > in. > > > > > > >> > Attempts are made to mold themselves into someone else's > > > defintions > > > > > of > > > > > > >>good > > > > > > >> > and bad. These attempts fail. Finally that person decides > to > > > look > > > > > to > > > > > > >>their > > > > > > >> > ancestors. They find themselves. They finally feel > > comfortable. > > > > It > > > > > > >>is > > > > > > >> > obvious to all that ancestors shape our biological > > > characteristics. > > > > > It > > > > > > >>is > > > > > > >> > obvious to me that ancestors shape our spirituality. The sad > > > thing > > > > > is > > > > > > >>that > > > > > > >> > sometimes the assimilation is so thick that you can grow up > > > around > > > > > > >>Indians > > > > > > >>and > > > > > > >> > still not know your own spirituality. The beautiful thing is > > > > finding > > > > > > >>the > > > > > > >>few > > > > > > >> > who have refused assimilation and are willing to share > > knowledge. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > When non-Indian people ask to be allowed into the community > it > > > > causes > > > > > > >>us > > > > > > >>to > > > > > > >> > question ourselves. Does community still exist? What are > they > > > > here > > > > > to > > > > > > >>get? > > > > > > >> > Are we really different from them? I think the great thing > > about > > > > this > > > > > > >>reverse > > > > > > >> > acculturation is that it is spurring some of us to re-embrace > > our > > > > own > > > > > > >> > ancestors. It is removing the shame that our elders had to > > live > > > > > with. > > > > > > >>This > > > > > > >> > shame had no place and that is becoming clear to new > > generations. > > > > If > > > > > > >>we > > > > > > >>can > > > > > > >> > influence people to live a balanced life then that is a great > > > > thing. > > > > > > >>After > > > > > > >> > all, our children and their children will have to live in a > > world > > > > > > >>shaped > > > > > > >>by > > > > > > >> > the parents. We can not afford to be selfish with principles > > of > > > > > > >>balance. > > > > > > >>It > > > > > > >> > seems that they need these principles much more than we do. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> wrote: > > > > > > >> > "Our spirituality" is not "just an idea" and it is not > > something > > > we > > > > > > >>went > > > > > > >>to > > > > > > >> > class and learned somewhere, or got off the internet...it is > > born > > > > in > > > > > us > > > > > > >> > (which is obvious to those Indians who were raised surrounded > > by > > > a > > > > > > >>white > > > > > > >> > society) and a non-Indian may be able to learn from us some > > > things, > > > > > but > > > > > > >>they > > > > > > >> > cannot "acquire" what they are not born with, and their > > attempts > > > to > > > > > put > > > > > > >> > themselves on an "equal footing", with Indians, so to speak, > is > > > at > > > > > best > > > > > > >> > futile...and at worst, an attempt at cultural theft... > > > > > > >> > B. > > > > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >> > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > > >> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:59 PM > > > > > > >> > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > I shall play devil's advocate again and expose my rear to > > > > > everyone's > > > > > > >> > slings > > > > > > >> > > and arrows... > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > What about those people who do not "want to be NA", but > just > > > > think > > > > > > >>our > > > > > > >> > > spirituality, philosophy and way of life is a good idea. > > I've > > > > had > > > > > > >> > countless > > > > > > >> > > elders tell me, "I don't care what kind of blood you have, > as > > > > long > > > > > as > > > > > > >>it's > > > > > > >> > > human". Just because an Anglo wants to practice our ways > > > because > > > > > it > > > > > > >>works > > > > > > >> > > for them, doesn't mean they deserve to be belittled by a > > > > derogatory > > > > > > >>name. > > > > > > >> > > Are there really that many among us that are so arrogant to > > do > > > > so. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Where did we ever get the idea that that we were so > > exclusive? > > > > > Isn't > > > > > > >>that > > > > > > >> > > TRUE racism? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > dusty > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >> > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > > > > >> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:45 PM > > > > > > >> > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Elkdreamer, Where did the term come from? Arla > > > > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >> > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > >> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:38 PM > > > > > > >> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Halito Fay > > > > > > >> > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no > > Indian > > > > > blood > > > > > > >>at > > > > > > >> > all > > > > > > >> > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > >> > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > >> > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > > > >> > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > >> > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... 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What is a Chata? ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Collins <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re:Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians Tribal Membership Requirements > Dennis, Thanks for the reply. It is as I thought and I understand their > reasoning. To keep the Chata race as pure as possible. It is sad that the > numbers are dwindling and will continue to decline though. Another product > of assimilation, but a noble effort by the Mississippi Band of Choctaw. I > wish them well. > Kim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Boswell" <dennisb@primenet.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:48 AM > Subject: [CHAHTA] Re:Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians Tribal Membership > Requirements > > > > Halito, Kim. > > > > When I last visited Philadelphia, MS, (October, 1998) their checklist for > > tribal membership included: > > > > "Before you apply be sure you are one-half (1/2) or more Choctaw blood and > > are a descendant of an enrolled member of the Mississippi Band of Choctaw > > Indians listed in the 1940 roll. (See Articles III, Section 1 and 2 of the > > Tribal Constitution). > > > > Make sure: > > > > 1. The Application for Enrollment is completed > > 2. The Ancestry Chart is completed > > 3. If applicant is under 18 years old both parents must sign. > > 4. Original long form birth certificate is included > > 5. A copy of the Social Security card is included. > > 6. An original of the Parternity (sp) Affidavit is included (if needed) > > 7. Statement from official of the other Indian tribe (if applicable) > > stating the inividual (sp) is not enrolled with them is included. > > > > Please mail to the following address: > > > > Mrs. Angela Briscoe > > Tribal Enrollment Office > > Post Office Box 6365 > > Philadelphia, Mississippi 39350" > > > > This information appeared as shown above in a copy of "A Choctaw > Handybook" > > that I purchased from the Choctaw Museum Gift Shoppe located in the > > Choctaw Museum of the Southern Indian. At the time (October, 1998), they > > had available a Gift Shoppe list of items for sale along with prices. The > > Gift Shoppe's Telephone number was (601) 650-1685 and their Web site was > > http://allcatalogs.com/choctaw. However, I just tried that web site and it > > did not respond. > > > > > > At 11:32 PM 04/05/2001 -0500, you wrote: > > >The Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma accepts all who can trace their lineage to > an > > >original enrollee ( and who have a CDIB) of the Choctaw roll regardless > of > > >blood quantum. > > >I personally prefer American Indian as any one born in the US is NA. > Don't > > >profess to know what the Choctaw nation of OK thinks about the term > though. > > >Yes the Choctaw have had dealings and inter marriages with Europeans for > > >many years. Many great chiefs were of mixed blood. > > >I do believe that MS Choctaw have a more stringent requirement for tribal > > >membership but I am not sure. > > >Perhaps there is some one on the list who can supply you a better > answer. > > >Kim > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: <Chata1507@aol.com> > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 9:46 PM > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > I have been told that the Choctaw Nation prefers the term Indian over > > >native > > > > American since anyone born in America is also a native American. This > > >makes > > > > sense to me. However, each nation has their own opinion. In addition > I > > > > think it's what ever you are comfortable with. > > > > > > > > On a previous question. In Minnesota the tribes historically accepted > > > > persons into tribe who basically moved in with them, became community > > > > supporters and identified with the tribe and its goals. This included > > > > captives who were adopted. Friends on various reservations in > Minnesota > > >also > > > > chuckle at the concept of full blood because over the years of euro > > >contact > > > > who can really know blood genetics. For example Crazy Horse was light > > >haired > > > > and blue eyed according to a Lakota friend. The Mandans have many > with > > >light > > > > eyes and hair. > > > > > > > > Look at the pictures of a lot of the old Choctaw and you see euro > > >influence. > > > > The Choctaw have had contact since they ran De Soto out in the early > > >1500s. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at > > >http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Dennis K. Boswell > > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > > Folsom, CA 95630 > > > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the > list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

Dusty, several times a day, I am amazed at your personal warehouse of historic and legal knowledge about Choctaw history. I cannot imagine how many shelves, boxes and stacks of information you likely surround yourself with in your home, or is it all in your head?. At 08:28 PM 04/06/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Those limitations on being able to do business without a legal guardian for >1/2 or fullbloods were called "restrictions", and that law as formally >struck down around the turn of the century, I believe. I can't put my hand >on the exact date at the moment. > >dusty > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... Regards, Dennis K. Boswell 301 Crow Canyon Drive Folsom, CA 95630 Tel: (916) 987-3599 Fax: (916) 987-3555

In a message dated 4/6/01 12:37:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, CHAHTA-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > There are many Indian's who didn't enroll as NA so the goverment wouldn't > get into their business. I am sure thats why lots of the ones who can't find > any documentation can't find that. I also heard that in some places if you > were NA and told you were 1/2 or more blood that the goverment said that you > had to have a white person take care of your business. Has anyone else heard > this? > Yes, that was true. My Choctaw grandmother had to get permission to handle her own land!!! Mary