Linda, here is an even more complete computer slang site. http://www.futureland.gr/comics/slang/slang.htm At 08:03 AM 04/07/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Linda, take a look at > http://www.ukans.edu/acs/docs/computing-glossary/computerslang.shtml > > > >At 09:47 AM 04/07/2001 -0500, you wrote: >> Hi Dusty, >> I am wondering what IMHO is. I know its like LOL and other puter slang but >>I keep seeing this one and don't know what you mean????? >> Thanks Dusty, >>Linda Kirby Branum >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> >>To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 8:13 AM >>Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies >> >> >> > IMHO if you feel you have the blood, then you probably do. It's those >>old >> > spirits calling to you. >> > >> > dusty >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Jim Morrison, Jr. <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> >> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 12:40 AM >> > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies >> > >> > >> > > Elk >> > > What about those (ME!!) who feel that they are, ancestors were in the >> > proper >> > > geographical area at the right time frame, but just can not find the >>proof >> > > (or whatever you want to call it!!)? >> > > Jim >> > > >> > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com >> > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> >> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:38 PM >> > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies >> > > >> > > >> > > > Halito Fay >> > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no Indian blood at >>all >> > > > Walk in Beauty >> > > > Elkdreamer >> > > > >> > > > >From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> >> > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >> > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >> > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies >> > > > >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:11:49 -0700 >> > > > > >> > > > >Excuse me, but, what is a twinkie? >> > > > >Fay >> > > > >----- Original Message ----- >> > > > >From: Kim Collins <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> >> > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:07 PM >> > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Halito Elkdreamer, >> > > > > > Well said! And so true. >> > > > > > Kim IBSSG >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> >> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:14 AM >> > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Halito Gemma >> > > > > > > I was refering to people that have no Native American blood in >> > > them >> > > > >at >> > > > > > > all. But I do feel for them because they are far removed from >> > their >> > > > > > > ancestors here in America. Our Old ones still walk with us here. >> > > > > > > Walk in beauty >> > > > > > > Elkdreamer >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >From: Gemma West <gemmawest@usa.net> >> > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >> > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >> > > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies >> > > > > > > >Date: 3 Apr 2001 10:10:11 EDT >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >Who are you referring to when you say "they" ? >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >"Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > > > > > > >Halito Gemma >> > > > > > > > My personal observations give me reason to believe that they >> > can >> > > > >see >> > > > > > > >that >> > > > > > > >we have a more centered culture with the bones of our Ancestors >> > > here >> > > > >with >> > > > > > > >us >> > > > > > > >to help guide our thoughts. They are trying to achive the same >> > > > >connect >> > > > > > that >> > > > > > > >we feel to our past. >> > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty >> > > > > > > > Elkdreamer >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >From: Gemma West <gemmawest@usa.net> >> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >> > > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >> > > > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] twinkies >> > > > > > > > >Date: 2 Apr 2001 11:02:35 EDT >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >Sometimes I think the rush to investigate Indian ancestry is >> > > rather >> > > > > > > >amusing >> > > > > > > > >also. After all, it has been estimated that only 7% of all >> > > > >Americans >> > > > > > have >> > > > > > > > >Indian blood. On the other hand it has been estimated that >>20% >> > of >> > > > > > > > >European-Americans have African blood. For some reason, >> > however, >> > > > >there >> > > > > > > >has >> > > > > > > > >been no parallel rush to claim African blood. I have to >>wonder >> > > why. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >"Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> wrote: >> > > > > > > > >This is a good topic if anyone wants to tackle it within >> > > > > > > >guidelines....the >> > > > > > > > >words "twinkie" and "wannabe" and their usage by both NA's >>and >> > > > >whites. >> > > > > > > > >Also, the prejudices that make these words acceptable. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >dusty >> > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >> > > > > > > > >From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> >> > > > > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >> > > > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 9:20 PM >> > > > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Something so funny.... >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Was listening to AIROS (www.airos.org/) >> > > > > > > > > > this morning and there was a comic on talking about a >> > twinkie >> > > > > > > >university >> > > > > > > > >called I Wannebe U....the whole routine was hilarious....this >> > is >> > > a >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >> > > > > > > > >Got a GRIPE?? 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Linda, take a look at http://www.ukans.edu/acs/docs/computing-glossary/computerslang.shtml At 09:47 AM 04/07/2001 -0500, you wrote: > Hi Dusty, > I am wondering what IMHO is. I know its like LOL and other puter slang but >I keep seeing this one and don't know what you mean????? > Thanks Dusty, >Linda Kirby Branum >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 8:13 AM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > IMHO if you feel you have the blood, then you probably do. It's those >old > > spirits calling to you. > > > > dusty > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jim Morrison, Jr. <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 12:40 AM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > Elk > > > What about those (ME!!) who feel that they are, ancestors were in the > > proper > > > geographical area at the right time frame, but just can not find the >proof > > > (or whatever you want to call it!!)? > > > Jim > > > > > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:38 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > Halito Fay > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no Indian blood at >all > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > >From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:11:49 -0700 > > > > > > > > > >Excuse me, but, what is a twinkie? > > > > >Fay > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: Kim Collins <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:07 PM > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Elkdreamer, > > > > > > Well said! And so true. > > > > > > Kim IBSSG > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:14 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Gemma > > > > > > > I was refering to people that have no Native American blood in > > > them > > > > >at > > > > > > > all. But I do feel for them because they are far removed from > > their > > > > > > > ancestors here in America. Our Old ones still walk with us here. > > > > > > > Walk in beauty > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Gemma West <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > >Date: 3 Apr 2001 10:10:11 EDT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Who are you referring to when you say "they" ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >Halito Gemma > > > > > > > > My personal observations give me reason to believe that they > > can > > > > >see > > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > >we have a more centered culture with the bones of our Ancestors > > > here > > > > >with > > > > > > > >us > > > > > > > >to help guide our thoughts. They are trying to achive the same > > > > >connect > > > > > > that > > > > > > > >we feel to our past. > > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Gemma West <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > >Date: 2 Apr 2001 11:02:35 EDT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sometimes I think the rush to investigate Indian ancestry is > > > rather > > > > > > > >amusing > > > > > > > > >also. After all, it has been estimated that only 7% of all > > > > >Americans > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > >Indian blood. On the other hand it has been estimated that >20% > > of > > > > > > > > >European-Americans have African blood. For some reason, > > however, > > > > >there > > > > > > > >has > > > > > > > > >been no parallel rush to claim African blood. I have to >wonder > > > why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > >This is a good topic if anyone wants to tackle it within > > > > > > > >guidelines....the > > > > > > > > >words "twinkie" and "wannabe" and their usage by both NA's >and > > > > >whites. > > > > > > > > >Also, the prejudices that make these words acceptable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >dusty > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > >From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > > > > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 9:20 PM > > > > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Something so funny.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was listening to AIROS (www.airos.org/) > > > > > > > > > > this morning and there was a comic on talking about a > > twinkie > > > > > > > >university > > > > > > > > >called I Wannebe U....the whole routine was hilarious....this > > is > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > >Got a GRIPE?? 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Halito Fay Yes, good words. Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re: THANKS TO OUR ANCESTORS >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:57:01 -0500 > >Good words, Fay! > >dusty >----- Original Message ----- >From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:45 PM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re: THANKS TO OUR ANCESTORS > > > > You know we were promised we would get weaker but wiser. I know I'm >getting > > weaker and the wiser part I'm not to sure of. Yes, we owe our ancestors >a > > debt that we will never repay. We all are trying to honor their memory >by > > searching out their records and bringing them out from obscurity and >writing > > their names down so that they might always be remembered. And no, I >don't > > think I would have had the metal that they had or the courage and >strength > > so to remember them, to speak of them, to honor them and put their >records > > down in a book for all generations to come, is a good thing for all of >us >to > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the >list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at >CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Halito Dennis Correct Spelling is Chahta, Chata is phonics. I believe if refers to both before and after Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:54:37 -0700 > >I have seen this spelled both "Chata" and "Chahta." Which is correct? > > >If the correct spelling is "Chata," then what does "Chahta" mean? > > > >Doesn't "Chata" or "Chahta" (whichever is correct) really refer to >pre-removal Choctaw instead of post-removal Choctaw or is it used to refer >to Choctaw without regard to either pre- or post-removal? > > > >Also, is "Chata" or "Chahta" (whichever is correct) also the name of the >language spoken by pre- or post-removal Choctaws ? > > >Sorry for all the questions, but based on what I have seen in some of the >CHAHTA-L traffic lately, I am confused. Somewhere along the line, I got the >impression that "Chahta" (with an "h") referred to the "old ones" and the >language they spoke. Am I wrong? > > >At 11:26 PM 04/06/2001 -0400, you wrote: >>Chata is what the Choctaw call themselves >> >> >>==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: >>Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com >>Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes >>Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > >Regards, > >Dennis K. Boswell >301 Crow Canyon Drive >Folsom, CA 95630 > >Tel: (916) 987-3599 >Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Halito Dennis Correct Spelling is Chahta, Chata is phonics. I believe if refers to both before and after Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:54:37 -0700 > >I have seen this spelled both "Chata" and "Chahta." Which is correct? > > >If the correct spelling is "Chata," then what does "Chahta" mean? > > > >Doesn't "Chata" or "Chahta" (whichever is correct) really refer to >pre-removal Choctaw instead of post-removal Choctaw or is it used to refer >to Choctaw without regard to either pre- or post-removal? > > > >Also, is "Chata" or "Chahta" (whichever is correct) also the name of the >language spoken by pre- or post-removal Choctaws ? > > >Sorry for all the questions, but based on what I have seen in some of the >CHAHTA-L traffic lately, I am confused. Somewhere along the line, I got the >impression that "Chahta" (with an "h") referred to the "old ones" and the >language they spoke. Am I wrong? > > >At 11:26 PM 04/06/2001 -0400, you wrote: >>Chata is what the Choctaw call themselves >> >> >>==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: >>Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com >>Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes >>Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > >Regards, > >Dennis K. Boswell >301 Crow Canyon Drive >Folsom, CA 95630 > >Tel: (916) 987-3599 >Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Halito Dennis Correct Spelling is Chahta, Chata is phonics. Ibelieve if refers to both before and after Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:54:37 -0700 > >I have seen this spelled both "Chata" and "Chahta." Which is correct? > > >If the correct spelling is "Chata," then what does "Chahta" mean? > > > >Doesn't "Chata" or "Chahta" (whichever is correct) really refer to >pre-removal Choctaw instead of post-removal Choctaw or is it used to refer >to Choctaw without regard to either pre- or post-removal? > > > >Also, is "Chata" or "Chahta" (whichever is correct) also the name of the >language spoken by pre- or post-removal Choctaws ? > > >Sorry for all the questions, but based on what I have seen in some of the >CHAHTA-L traffic lately, I am confused. Somewhere along the line, I got the >impression that "Chahta" (with an "h") referred to the "old ones" and the >language they spoke. Am I wrong? > > >At 11:26 PM 04/06/2001 -0400, you wrote: >>Chata is what the Choctaw call themselves >> >> >>==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: >>Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com >>Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes >>Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > >Regards, > >Dennis K. Boswell >301 Crow Canyon Drive >Folsom, CA 95630 > >Tel: (916) 987-3599 >Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Halito Fay It states. ages calculated to Sept.25,1902 Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:35:46 -0700 > >But how do you know what year that roll was done? I'm thinking there is >some broad span of years. Do you just have to wait until you get the >packet >and then will you be able to find out about when they were born? >Fay >----- Original Message ----- >From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:19 PM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > Yes, age is listed on the Dawes roll. You calculate it from the year >that > > particular roll was done. > > > > dusty > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > You know, it tells you so much but it doesn't say what year that > > information > > > was taken so you don't know when a person was born. I will call them >and > > see > > > if I can order over the phone. > > > Fay > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 7:22 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > > > > I can tell you what family members are listed on the same census >card, > > > > sometimes helping people to recognize if a name is their ancestor or > > not. > > > > > > > > Seems to me like I have been told you can do this over the phone >with > > > credit > > > > card. > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:14 AM > > > > Subject: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dusty, Can you order a packet over the phone and pay with a credit > > card? > > > > > I have a name, age, census number, and roll number. Is there any >more > > > > info. > > > > > on what you have? > > > > > Fay > > > > > Don't ever give up.!!!! > > > > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/gedcoms/ratcliff/ > > > > > List owner HOLDEN-L, SCHIFANO-L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the > > quotes > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the >quotes > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Choctaw Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: >Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Halito Fay On the Nail site the first page has the year that it was done. It was in 1902. Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:35:46 -0700 > >But how do you know what year that roll was done? I'm thinking there is >some broad span of years. Do you just have to wait until you get the >packet >and then will you be able to find out about when they were born? >Fay >----- Original Message ----- >From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:19 PM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > Yes, age is listed on the Dawes roll. You calculate it from the year >that > > particular roll was done. > > > > dusty > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > You know, it tells you so much but it doesn't say what year that > > information > > > was taken so you don't know when a person was born. I will call them >and > > see > > > if I can order over the phone. > > > Fay > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 7:22 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > > > > I can tell you what family members are listed on the same census >card, > > > > sometimes helping people to recognize if a name is their ancestor or > > not. > > > > > > > > Seems to me like I have been told you can do this over the phone >with > > > credit > > > > card. > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:14 AM > > > > Subject: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dusty, Can you order a packet over the phone and pay with a credit > > card? > > > > > I have a name, age, census number, and roll number. Is there any >more > > > > info. > > > > > on what you have? > > > > > Fay > > > > > Don't ever give up.!!!! > > > > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/gedcoms/ratcliff/ > > > > > List owner HOLDEN-L, SCHIFANO-L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the > > quotes > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the >quotes > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Choctaw Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: >Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Halito Patsy It's Chahta not Chata. It means Choctaw in our language. Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: "Patsy Caleb" <studentarchaeologist@home.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re:Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians Tribal >Membership Requirements >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 19:23:33 -0700 > >What is a Chata? >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kim Collins <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 7:10 PM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re:Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians Tribal >Membership Requirements > > > > Dennis, Thanks for the reply. It is as I thought and I understand their > > reasoning. To keep the Chata race as pure as possible. It is sad that >the > > numbers are dwindling and will continue to decline though. Another >product > > of assimilation, but a noble effort by the Mississippi Band of Choctaw. >I > > wish them well. > > Kim > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dennis Boswell" <dennisb@primenet.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:48 AM > > Subject: [CHAHTA] Re:Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians Tribal >Membership > > Requirements > > > > > > > Halito, Kim. > > > > > > When I last visited Philadelphia, MS, (October, 1998) their checklist >for > > > tribal membership included: > > > > > > "Before you apply be sure you are one-half (1/2) or more Choctaw blood >and > > > are a descendant of an enrolled member of the Mississippi Band of >Choctaw > > > Indians listed in the 1940 roll. (See Articles III, Section 1 and 2 of >the > > > Tribal Constitution). > > > > > > Make sure: > > > > > > 1. The Application for Enrollment is completed > > > 2. The Ancestry Chart is completed > > > 3. If applicant is under 18 years old both parents must sign. > > > 4. Original long form birth certificate is included > > > 5. A copy of the Social Security card is included. > > > 6. An original of the Parternity (sp) Affidavit is included (if >needed) > > > 7. Statement from official of the other Indian tribe (if applicable) > > > stating the inividual (sp) is not enrolled with them is included. > > > > > > Please mail to the following address: > > > > > > Mrs. Angela Briscoe > > > Tribal Enrollment Office > > > Post Office Box 6365 > > > Philadelphia, Mississippi 39350" > > > > > > This information appeared as shown above in a copy of "A Choctaw > > Handybook" > > > that I purchased from the Choctaw Museum Gift Shoppe located in the > > > Choctaw Museum of the Southern Indian. At the time (October, 1998), >they > > > had available a Gift Shoppe list of items for sale along with prices. >The > > > Gift Shoppe's Telephone number was (601) 650-1685 and their Web site >was > > > http://allcatalogs.com/choctaw. However, I just tried that web site >and >it > > > did not respond. > > > > > > > > > At 11:32 PM 04/05/2001 -0500, you wrote: > > > >The Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma accepts all who can trace their >lineage >to > > an > > > >original enrollee ( and who have a CDIB) of the Choctaw roll >regardless > > of > > > >blood quantum. > > > >I personally prefer American Indian as any one born in the US is NA. > > Don't > > > >profess to know what the Choctaw nation of OK thinks about the term > > though. > > > >Yes the Choctaw have had dealings and inter marriages with Europeans >for > > > >many years. Many great chiefs were of mixed blood. > > > >I do believe that MS Choctaw have a more stringent requirement for >tribal > > > >membership but I am not sure. > > > >Perhaps there is some one on the list who can supply you a better > > answer. > > > >Kim > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: <Chata1507@aol.com> > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 9:46 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been told that the Choctaw Nation prefers the term Indian >over > > > >native > > > > > American since anyone born in America is also a native American. >This > > > >makes > > > > > sense to me. However, each nation has their own opinion. In >addition > > I > > > > > think it's what ever you are comfortable with. > > > > > > > > > > On a previous question. In Minnesota the tribes historically >accepted > > > > > persons into tribe who basically moved in with them, became >community > > > > > supporters and identified with the tribe and its goals. This >included > > > > > captives who were adopted. Friends on various reservations in > > Minnesota > > > >also > > > > > chuckle at the concept of full blood because over the years of >euro > > > >contact > > > > > who can really know blood genetics. For example Crazy Horse was >light > > > >haired > > > > > and blue eyed according to a Lakota friend. The Mandans have many > > with > > > >light > > > > > eyes and hair. > > > > > > > > > > Look at the pictures of a lot of the old Choctaw and you see euro > > > >influence. > > > > > The Choctaw have had contact since they ran De Soto out in the >early > > > >1500s. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at > > > >http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the >quotes > > > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Dennis K. Boswell > > > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > > > Folsom, CA 95630 > > > > > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > > > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to >the > > list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > > CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Choctaw Home Page: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Thank you Barbara and Dusty.

thanks for the info dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? > Patsy: > > Choctaw is a language that was, like other native languages, translated as > best the translator could manage, which was to spell it phonetically, or how > it sounded to him. That's why you will find many words that sound the same > when spoken, but are spelled differently. Examples: Houma, humma, homma or > the example we used of the word Chahta/Chata/Chatah/Chahta, etc. > > The language classes use both spoken words and written words,depending on > how the class is delivered. A child beginning to speak learns language from > repeating spoken words. When a medium like the internet is used and the > language cannot be spoken, words are spelled out. There are courses > available that use both written words and tapes of the language being > spoken, so that proper pronunciation may be heard. IMHO a serious student > needs both. I also feel one cannot learn a language unless there is someone > to speak it to, and to hear it from. > > In the 1800's there were a couple of Choctaw"dictionaries" written that > translated the spoken word into writing in an attempt to catalog the > language into a form that could be understood by non-speaking peoples. > Those dictionaries, particularly the Byington version, are frequently used > today by students. > > dusty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patsy Caleb <studentarchaeologist@home.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 12:09 AM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? > > > > Last year they had a language school going on ? How do you learn it if it > > is not written anywhere and how do they have these "learn the choctaw > > language school > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? > > > > > > > Chata and Chahta are the same meaning..they mean Choctaw...Some of us > > spell > > > it one way, some the other.Depends on how we first learned it...Since > the > > > Choctaw language was not a written language but only a spoken language, > > > there are no "absolutely correct" spellings...they have been spelled > > mainly > > > as they sound, tho in some cases, in my opinion, some letters have been > > used > > > that are not necessary...hopefully the spellings will be standardized at > > > some point, but til then, spelling phonetically usually gets the message > > > across.... > > > Barbara > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dennis Boswell" <dennisb@primenet.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:54 PM > > > Subject: [CHAHTA] Chata vs. Chahta - Meaning ? > > > > > > > > > > I have seen this spelled both "Chata" and "Chahta." Which is correct? > > > > > > > > > > > > If the correct spelling is "Chata," then what does "Chahta" mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doesn't "Chata" or "Chahta" (whichever is correct) really refer to > > > > pre-removal Choctaw instead of post-removal Choctaw or is it used to > > refer > > > > to Choctaw without regard to either pre- or post-removal? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, is "Chata" or "Chahta" (whichever is correct) also the name of > the > > > > language spoken by pre- or post-removal Choctaws ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for all the questions, but based on what I have seen in some of > > the > > > > CHAHTA-L traffic lately, I am confused. Somewhere along the line, I > got > > > the > > > > impression that "Chahta" (with an "h") referred to the "old ones" and > > the > > > > language they spoke. Am I wrong? > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:26 PM 04/06/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >Chata is what the Choctaw call themselves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > > >Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the > > quotes > > > > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Dennis K. Boswell > > > > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > > > > Folsom, CA 95630 > > > > > > > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > > > > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the > list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information. Visit Rusty Lang's pages at http://www.choctaw-web.com for articles, censuses, etc. >

For those who can't make the Choctaw Fair in July, or can make both, a smaller, but very nice Pow Wow is held the third weekend of June at the MOWA Band of Choctaw Reservation near Mount Vernon, Alabama. They are about 45 minutes north of Mobile, Alabama. I will be there this June. Unfortunately I cannot make the July meeting. The Tribal Office telephone number for info is 334-829-5500 Yakoke. They have free camping at the Pow Wow grounds with full RV hookups. If anyone else is going to be at the MOWA Pow Wow, lets try and get together. John

I have to say Dusty...for my own selfish reasons I would like to know this too *S* Sonja >From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re: THANKS TO OUR ANCESTORS >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 00:50:32 -0700 > >Dusty, what do you know about your Smith Choctaw family? > >At 11:11 PM 04/06/2001 -0500, you wrote: >>The offer still stands!!!! >> >>dusty >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> >>To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:55 PM >>Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re: THANKS TO OUR ANCESTORS >> >> >> > Dusty said one time if we could find her "Smith" Choctaw family she >>would >> > put us in her will, all I want is her books. LOL >> > Fay >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> >> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 7:11 PM >> > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re: THANKS TO OUR ANCESTORS >> > >> > >> > > Dusty, several times a day, I am amazed at your personal warehouse of >> > > historic and legal knowledge about Choctaw history. I cannot imagine >>how >> > > many shelves, boxes and stacks of information you likely surround >>yourself >> > > with in your home, or is it all in your head?. >> > > >> > > At 08:28 PM 04/06/2001 -0500, you wrote: >> > > >Those limitations on being able to do business without a legal >>guardian >> > for >> > > >1/2 or fullbloods were called "restrictions", and that law as >>formally >> > > >struck down around the turn of the century, I believe. I can't put >>my >> > hand >> > > >on the exact date at the moment. >> > > > >> > > >dusty >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >> > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: >> > > >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com >> > > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the >>quotes >> > > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >> > > >> > > >> > > Regards, >> > > >> > > Dennis K. Boswell >> > > 301 Crow Canyon Drive >> > > Folsom, CA 95630 >> > > >> > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 >> > > Fax: (916) 987-3555 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >> > > Choctaw Home Page: >> > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ >> > > >> > >> > >> > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >> > Need more CHOCTAW information. Visit Rusty Lang's pages at >>http://www.choctaw-web.com for articles, censuses, etc. >> > >> >> >>==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >> To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: >>Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com >>Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes >>Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > >Regards, > >Dennis K. Boswell >301 Crow Canyon Drive >Folsom, CA 95630 > >Tel: (916) 987-3599 >Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: >Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

So very true Dusty and such a shame too...to have a choice of whether to let your people prosper or suffer and choosing to let them suffer. Proof of this was just before this last tribal council election. Many Lakota say here that it's like being in a pit and when one tries to crawl out of this pit..the others grab him/her and drag them back down with the others. Sonja >From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 23:11:04 -0500 > >IMHO, the leaders at Rosebud and Pine Ridge are responsible for the >poverty-striken condition some of their people live in. Time and time again >those leaders have been plagued with accusations of scandal, skimming of >tribal funds, etc. They steadfastly refuse to take MILLIONS of dollars >money that has been offered to them by the government. Their leaders are >willing to let their own people freeze and starve to death (and that is >happening every winter) rather than compromise with outsiders who are >offering help. > >Last year things got so bad that the tribal headquarters was taken over by >a >group of protestors, including elders. who closed it down and inhabited it >for days. One woman with several children who had been trying to months to >get relief money just moved her mattresses into the receptionists office >and >set up camp, saying she would live there until they could find her a place >for herself and her children to live. They kept in touch with the outside >via radio. Finally, after resorting to calling in the state police, the >tribal council agreed to meet with the protestors. > >I have, in the past, sent aid in the form of cash and clothing to a few of >the people in that area through relief agencies and individuals dedicated >to >works of charity. The boxes of clothing (much of it brand new with the >tags still on) were found dumped under a bridge near Rosebud and since our >return address was written on it, the person who found it wrote and told >us. > >It's up to the LEADERS of those tribes to get off their duffs and help >their >own people. They have time and time again refused outside aid and must be >held responsible for their actions by their own people. They must heal >themselves internally first. IMHO > >dusty > >----- Original Message ----- >From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:52 PM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re: THANKS TO OUR ANCESTORS > > > > I'm sorry, but according to my friend Iris with the Lakota Sioux on the >Pine > > Ridge reservation, she was helping me to gather information on a family >that > > I could help out this winter personally by going straight to them >instead >of > > some organization and paying them some sort of fee. The family she >found > > for me was an elderly man named Ross and his grandson Mathew. Ross and > > Mathew were in the dark and in the cold because their "guardian" had not > > paid their light bill or paid for them some butane. With all the >millions > > and millions that this country owes to the Native Americans, I took a >small > > $20.00 and mailed Ross and Mathew a blanket, socks, caps, and some food. > > Now, you tell me who needs repriations? > > Fay > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 6:28 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re: THANKS TO OUR ANCESTORS > > > > > > > Those limitations on being able to do business without a legal >guardian > > for > > > 1/2 or fullbloods were called "restrictions", and that law as formally > > > struck down around the turn of the century, I believe. I can't put my > > hand > > > on the exact date at the moment. > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Choctaw Home Page: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Elk What about those (ME!!) who feel that they are, ancestors were in the proper geographical area at the right time frame, but just can not find the proof (or whatever you want to call it!!)? Jim jmorsn@coastalnet.com http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > Halito Fay > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no Indian blood at all > Walk in Beauty > Elkdreamer > > >From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:11:49 -0700 > > > >Excuse me, but, what is a twinkie? > >Fay > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Kim Collins <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:07 PM > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > Halito Elkdreamer, > > > Well said! And so true. > > > Kim IBSSG > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:14 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > Halito Gemma > > > > I was refering to people that have no Native American blood in them > >at > > > > all. But I do feel for them because they are far removed from their > > > > ancestors here in America. Our Old ones still walk with us here. > > > > Walk in beauty > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > >From: Gemma West <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > >Date: 3 Apr 2001 10:10:11 EDT > > > > > > > > > >Who are you referring to when you say "they" ? > > > > > > > > > >"Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > >Halito Gemma > > > > > My personal observations give me reason to believe that they can > >see > > > > >that > > > > >we have a more centered culture with the bones of our Ancestors here > >with > > > > >us > > > > >to help guide our thoughts. They are trying to achive the same > >connect > > > that > > > > >we feel to our past. > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Gemma West <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > >Date: 2 Apr 2001 11:02:35 EDT > > > > > > > > > > > >Sometimes I think the rush to investigate Indian ancestry is rather > > > > >amusing > > > > > >also. After all, it has been estimated that only 7% of all > >Americans > > > have > > > > > >Indian blood. On the other hand it has been estimated that 20% of > > > > > >European-Americans have African blood. For some reason, however, > >there > > > > >has > > > > > >been no parallel rush to claim African blood. I have to wonder why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> wrote: > > > > > >This is a good topic if anyone wants to tackle it within > > > > >guidelines....the > > > > > >words "twinkie" and "wannabe" and their usage by both NA's and > >whites. > > > > > >Also, the prejudices that make these words acceptable. > > > > > > > > > > > >dusty > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 9:20 PM > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Something so funny.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was listening to AIROS (www.airos.org/) > > > > > > > this morning and there was a comic on talking about a twinkie > > > > >university > > > > > >called I Wannebe U....the whole routine was hilarious....this is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > >Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to > >the > > > > > >list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > > > > > >CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >Get free email and a permanent address at > > > http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > >Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at > > > > > >http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... 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Halito Patsy and all others!! I don't know of any Choctaw chat rooms but I do visit a NAC room on excite virtual places *S* and have met other Chahta's in there from all over *S* Sonja >From: "Patsy Caleb" <studentarchaeologist@home.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re: CHAHTA-D Digest V01 #195 >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:17:05 -0700 > >does anyone know of a good choctaw chat room >----- Original Message ----- >From: <Amarya@aol.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:28 AM >Subject: [CHAHTA] Re: CHAHTA-D Digest V01 #195 > > > > In a message dated 4/6/01 8:40:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > CHAHTA-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > > > > This medium is second-best, to be sure, but it's all we have at >present. > > > Many of us have met face-to-face, and I hope those opportunities will > > > continue to arise in the future. A good gathering place is at >Choctaw-Fair > > > coming up in Mississippi in July. I hope all who can, will attend. > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dusty, > > In a sense, I may be a "lost bird" as I was born and raised in > > California. However, I do belong to the OK Choctaws and was raised with >the > > knowledge that I was part of that nation. My mother was born in Caddo, >OK > > and I grew up with her telling me this fact often. I don't look indian >and > > don't have much blood quantum, but I have felt closer to the OK Choctaw >than > > the Scots or Irish or anything else. I have always been proud of my >Indian > > heritage, even before it was cool. Mary > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Need more CHOCTAW information. Visit Rusty Lang's pages at >http://www.choctaw-web.com for articles, censuses, etc. > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Good ole Webster's!! intelligence = the ability to learn or understand from experience wisdom = the quality of being wise; power of judging rightly and following the soundest course of action, based on knowledge, experience, understanding, etc. Jim jmorsn@coastalnet.com http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, intelligence > If I remember my studies, "intelligence" has been defined as "problem > solving ability". At least that's how intelligent quotients (IQ's)used to be > measured - on a person's ability to solve given problems. > > I would think "wisdom" would better be defined as a"accumulated knowledge". > > dusty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Morrison, Jr. <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:06 AM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, intelligence > > > > Lets see now....Is "intelligence" the same as "wisdom"? > > This "animal" you are refering to has a HUGE amount of unused > > "intelligence". Through Trial and Error this "animal" is gaining the > > "wisdom" to put this "intelligence" to work for him. > > As for YOUR disapproval as to what this newly appointed "animal" is doing: > > Three years from now YOU had better be out there campaining for the ONE > you > > beleive in!! > > You may have kicked sand in my face on this last one, BUT if the animals > in > > the stories have soooooo much wisdom to share, why are THEY not telling > the > > story? > > Jim > > > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gemma West" <gemmawest@usa.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 11:14 AM > > Subject: [CHAHTA] Jim, intelligence > > > > > > > Well Jim that would have to depend on your definition of intelligence. > > > Computer scientists, working in the field on "Arficial Intelligence" > can't > > > even come to a consensus what that word means. What's your take on this > > term? > > > > > > > > > Let's not forget there is a certain animal who is trying to determine > how > > to > > > sustain enclosed enviorments in the middle of the desert so that we can > > move > > > to Mars. This animal has also built a huge solar space station (now the > > third > > > brightest object in the sky) to determine how life can be sustained > > outside of > > > this planet. So somehow this animal has concluded that taking care of > the > > > beautiful planet we already live on is either more difficult or less > > desirable > > > than turning unsustainable environments into sustainable ones. A > certain > > > animal, one who has just been appointed president of a large polulation > of > > > these animals, has recently decided to keep his nation out of an > > environmental > > > conference. He cites economic growth as a reasonable alternative to > > having a > > > livable atmosphere. This type of behavior does not fit my definition of > > > intelligence. How about yours? > > > > > > As far as evolution. Other animals are continuously undergoing > evolution > > just > > > as we are. It is a Chahta principle that all things are constantly > > changing. > > > Do you think it is consistent with Chahta beliefs to say that other > > animals > > > are less intelligent than we are? In many of our stories , our lessons > > are > > > taught to us by other animals. These animals are referred to as > knowledge > > > givers. It's inconsistent to learn from someone who is less intelligent > > than > > > you are isn't it? > > > > > > "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> wrote: > > > Hi Barb > > > I totally disagree. What animal has more intellegence than man? What > other > > > animal has evolved as far as man has? > > > And lets not forget that man himself is an animal!! > > > Jim > > > > > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Barbara Ellison" <greybird7@pisp.net> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 1:49 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Fw: Choctaw Christian Culture > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim... > > > > Elkdreamer's point was that man is not superior to animals. > > > > B. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 1:57 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Fw: Choctaw Christian Culture > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elk > > > > > I have to disagree with you. MAN is not the weakest animal on earth, > > > nor > > > > the > > > > > slowest. HE is one of the most intelligent which has caused him to > > > become > > > > > very lazy. > > > > > I have never been inside a "sweat lodge", but by design I would > think > > > you > > > > > have to enter on your hands and knees to help keep the heat inside. > > Not > > > to > > > > > degrade you to the point you feel you are an animal. Tell me > > something: > > > > > which animal do you know of that starts a fire under rocks and then > > > pours > > > > > water on them to creat steam so that they can sit inside sweat and > > > > meditate? > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 5:44 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Fw: Choctaw Christian Culture > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito again Barbara > > > > > > Man is the weakest animal on mother earth. The only thing that > has > > > > > helped > > > > > > us to survive is our ability to think. Every other animal has > > sharper > > > > > teeth > > > > > > can run faster etc. When you go into a sweat lodge you do so on > your > > > > hands > > > > > > and knees to remind us that we are still animals, and part of the > > > circle > > > > > of > > > > > > life here on Mother Earth. > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Fw: Choctaw Christian Culture > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:06:30 -0600 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Again, speaking of animals..we know it is NOT necessary that we > > > consume > > > > > > >their bodies...and if you really want to keep including > plants..we > > > > don't > > > > > > >have to kill those to eat parts of them...but I was really > talking > > > > about > > > > > > >animals... > > > > > > >And do you really think YOU mean as much to a squirrel as her own > > > baby > > > > > > >does? > > > > > > >As for me..in many ways I feel equal to the snake, toad, and > > > > insect...but > > > > > > >in > > > > > > >many more I feel inferior being the species I am...it would seem > > that > > > > in > > > > > > >most cases, a squirrel knows better how to be a squirrel than a > > human > > > > > does > > > > > > >a > > > > > > >human...I still think it is very egocentric to think that animals > > > were > > > > > put > > > > > > >here for human use....Then again..some people think the earth is > > flat > > > > > > >too... > > > > > > >Barbara > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 5:13 PM > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Fw: Choctaw Christian Culture > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I reiterate, if the Creator did not intend for men to chase > down > > > > > > >animals, > > > > > > > > kill them and eat them...or to pull plants up by their roots > and > > > > > consume > > > > > > > > them...why did he make it necessary that we do so?? Why not > > > design > > > > a > > > > > > > > bio-system that didn't require this exchange? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying that man and the animals/plants don't relate > to > > > each > > > > > > >other, > > > > > > > > but to spiritually equate a squirrel with one of my children > > > defies > > > > > > >rational > > > > > > > > thought. I can certainly appreciate the sacredness of the > > > squirrel, > > > > > or > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > deer, or the bird. I can recognize the purpose they serve on > > this > > > > > > > > planet..the roll they play within the circle of life. I can > > (and > > > > do) > > > > > > >pay > > > > > > > > them honor and try to learn from them about the world around > me. > > > I > > > > > can > > > > > > >(and > > > > > > > > do) salute them and call them brother. But the fact remains, > > the > > > > > > >Creator > > > > > > > > put them here to be of service to me, not the other way > around. > > > Man > > > > > was > > > > > > >not > > > > > > > > created to serve the animals or the plants....to take care of > > them > > > > > > >perhaps, > > > > > > > > to be stewards of them, but not beneath them in the eyes of > the > > > > > > >Creator.... > > > > > > > > Do you feel you are the inferior of a snake? Or a toad? Or > an > > > > > insect? > > > > > > > > I'm curious what you feel your role i in the circle of life > is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 8:51 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Fw: Choctaw Christian Culture > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think I was talking about where man placed > animals...I > > > > think > > > > > I > > > > > > >was > > > > > > > > > talking about where Hashtali placed them and what Hashtali's > > > > purpose > > > > > > >was > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > placing them, and that to think Hashtali placed them for > human > > > use > > > > > is > > > > > > >a > > > > > > > > > mistake, just like thinking Hashtali placed the man there > for > > > the > > > > > > >lion's > > > > > > > > > use...I don't see what is so hard for you to understand in > > what > > > I > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > said...I know that to accept what I have said as valid at > all > > > > would > > > > > > > > require > > > > > > > > > a lot of re-evaluation about one's own views on reality, > which > > > > might > > > > > > > > entail > > > > > > > > > changes one would not want to make...but that is always up > to > > > the > > > > > > > > > individual...and many individuals prefer "herd mentality"... > > > > > > > > > Barbara > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 11:21 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Fw: Choctaw Christian Culture > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barbara: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your logic is convoluted. To state that ancient man > placed > > > the > > > > > > >animals > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > killed for food or the plants he gathered for medicine on > > the > > > > same > > > > > > >level > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > he did his family members is patently ridiculous. If that > > > were > > > > > the > > > > > > >case > > > > > > > > > > there would never have been a deer killed, a fish eaten, a > > > bison > > > > > > > > butchered > > > > > > > > > > or a berry picked. It is a romantic notion that exists in > > > > > fantasy, > > > > > > >nice > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > think about, but impossible in reality. Fact is that > > man > > > > > chose > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > > eat, > > > > > > > > > > clothe himself and survive as the Creator intended and he > > used > > > > the > > > > > > > > > resources > > > > > > > > > > around him. Had not the power of the Universe ordained > it > > > so, > > > > he > > > > > > >would > > > > > > > > > > have created a man who could draw nourishment from the air > > he > > > > > > > > > > breathed...like moss. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be grateful for the chicken we have for dinner is > fine, > > > but > > > > > let' > > > > > > >s > > > > > > > > > face > > > > > > > > > > it...that chicken did not bid his loved ones goodbye and > lay > > > > down > > > > > on > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > chopping block. And the animals our ancestors ate did not > > > > > willingly > > > > > > > > walk > > > > > > > > > > into camp and say "Here I am..eat me." I personally think > > > that > > > > > > >paying > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > sort of respect for the life of an animal taken is a good > > > > > thing...we > > > > > > > > > > practice it in our family, and many post-kill hunting > > customs > > > > are > > > > > > > > holdover > > > > > > > > > s > > > > > > > > > > from those old ceremonies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stewardship of the earth dictates taking only what one > > needs, > > > > but > > > > > > >make > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > mistake, when man is hungry he will kill and eat whatever > is > > > > > > >available > > > > > > > > > > without hesitation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as your lion/man analogy...again...God-given > > > intelligence > > > > > > >plus > > > > > > > > free > > > > > > > > > > choice. The man could have stayed safe inside his house > and > > > not > > > > > > >walked > > > > > > > > > > where the lion was waiting. God takes the rap for a lot > of > > > > things > > > > > > >he's > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > not responsible for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > > > > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 1:53 PM > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Fw: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > > > > > > > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" > > without > > > > the > > > > > > >quotes > > > > > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > Got a GRIPE?? 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You are right on the money about the prophecy Dusty *S*. I only hope that what you say about the white buffalo having come to such a sad end is only a rumor....the last time I remember seeing this Buffalo was on a television special. Sonja >From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:45:56 -0500 > >Basically, it is an old prophecy given to the Lakotas and their brothers, >that White Buffalo Calf Woman, the spirit who gave them their pipe and >other >sacraments, would return in the form of a white buffalo. When that >happend, >the culture of the Indian people would again arise and native people would >again become the dominant culture/guiding force of this continent. > >There has been no female white buffalo born in the US since "Miracle", who >was born on a northern farm about 6-7 years ago (???). Can't remember what >state. There have been white male buffaloes, the last was seen in Yosemite >during the 30's I believe, but never a female. These are not albinos, as >they have dark eyes and hoofs, just an aborration of nature that crops up >rarely. > > It is my understanding that she has been recognized by the elders and >medicine people of the Lakotas as being the fulfillment of that prophecy. >I've not personally seen her, but the news that filters down to us is that >she is fulfilling prophecy by turning the four colors of man. She was born >white, then turned yellow, is now brown, but is expected to mature to a >black color. The farmer who owns her has made a place for those visiting >her and making offerings to do so. He has promised not to kill her. > >We heard a rumor down here that she had been killed by an outsider, found >shot to death in her corral, but don't know if that's true or not. I >certainly hope not, but knowing the state of the country today I wouldn't >be >surprised. That's all I know. Perhaps those closer to her or perhaps >someone who has visited her can add more. > >dusty > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Linda Branum <mamalin@1s.net> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:33 PM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo > > > > Dusty, > > Will you please explain the legend of the white buffalo to the new >ones >on > > the list or give us a URL to go to that would explain it. I know the >legend > > but some might not. > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, Linda Kirby Branum > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:04 AM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > Yes Sonja, the white buffalo has come. Welcome to our circle and >please > > > continue your input. > > > > > > dusty > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Sonja Tashman <sonja_tashman@hotmail.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:22 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > Halito to all, > > > > Maybe I am wrong and I am sure I will be corrected if so LOL, but it > > seems > > > > to me that in a round about way the prophecy of the Indian people >once > > > again > > > > getting back all that belonged to them may, in a way, involve not >the > > > actual > > > > possession of material possessions, but getting back to the old ways >and > > > > beliefs? And if this may be true, then would it not matter that the > > > Nations > > > > be full bloods or mixed bloods? Again I say I may be wrong and fully > > > > prepared to be so but, I only know that even though I may be lighter > > than > > > > most full bloods, my blood, heart and soul is the same as all my > > > relations > > > > from generations back. > > > > > > > > Sonja > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:36:28 -0700 > > > > > > > > > >Halito Barbara, Gemma And Dusty > > > > > Last night I was talking to my nephew about the problem that we >are > > > > >having > > > > >of our kids getting involved with gangs and such. I was looking >back >on > > > my > > > > >life and the road that I took and tried to explain why It took that > > > course. > > > > >In my experience I believe Indian people have a innerself that >needs >to > > > be > > > > >a > > > > >part of a tribe, this is our makeup our genetic being and our >ancestors > > > > >survival trait. In this day and age a lot of us being removed from >the > > > > >tribal closeness that were searching for took a lot of different >roads. > > > > >Luckly some of us finally found the Red road and are coming back to >the > > > > >home > > > > >fires of our people. > > > > > When the rest finally find their way back we need to be there to >help > > > > >them. > > > > > For seven generations > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > >>From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > > > >>Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >>To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >>Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > >>Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:01:33 -0500 > > > > >> > > > > >>Those who have grown up in Indian communities but seem to have no > > > > >>knowledge > > > > >>of their own spirituality are still aware of something inside >that >is > > > > >>different, even if they don't know what it is.(Because of the >thick > > > > >>assimilation) > > > > >>And it is my hope that more of our people will recognise that we >are > > not > > > > >>"second class" and that our spirituality is not just a matter of > > > > >>"beliefs", > > > > >>and that it is not "inferior" to the spirituality any other race >of > > > > >>people...It is also my hope that those non-Indians who can learn a > > > better > > > > >>way of living in balance from Indians, or whoever, will do so... > > > > >>B. > > > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > > > >>From: "Gemma West" <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > > >>To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:35 PM > > > > >>Subject: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > What has happened for many people is that they wander through >life > > > > >>trying > > > > >>to > > > > >> > figure out what is wrong...trying to figure out why they don't >fit > > > in. > > > > >> > Attempts are made to mold themselves into someone else's >defintions > > > of > > > > >>good > > > > >> > and bad. These attempts fail. Finally that person decides to >look > > > to > > > > >>their > > > > >> > ancestors. They find themselves. They finally feel >comfortable. > > It > > > > >>is > > > > >> > obvious to all that ancestors shape our biological >characteristics. > > > It > > > > >>is > > > > >> > obvious to me that ancestors shape our spirituality. The sad >thing > > > is > > > > >>that > > > > >> > sometimes the assimilation is so thick that you can grow up >around > > > > >>Indians > > > > >>and > > > > >> > still not know your own spirituality. The beautiful thing is > > finding > > > > >>the > > > > >>few > > > > >> > who have refused assimilation and are willing to share >knowledge. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > When non-Indian people ask to be allowed into the community it > > causes > > > > >>us > > > > >>to > > > > >> > question ourselves. Does community still exist? What are they > > here > > > to > > > > >>get? > > > > >> > Are we really different from them? I think the great thing >about > > this > > > > >>reverse > > > > >> > acculturation is that it is spurring some of us to re-embrace >our > > own > > > > >> > ancestors. It is removing the shame that our elders had to >live > > > with. > > > > >>This > > > > >> > shame had no place and that is becoming clear to new >generations. > > If > > > > >>we > > > > >>can > > > > >> > influence people to live a balanced life then that is a great > > thing. > > > > >>After > > > > >> > all, our children and their children will have to live in a >world > > > > >>shaped > > > > >>by > > > > >> > the parents. We can not afford to be selfish with principles >of > > > > >>balance. > > > > >>It > > > > >> > seems that they need these principles much more than we do. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> wrote: > > > > >> > "Our spirituality" is not "just an idea" and it is not >something >we > > > > >>went > > > > >>to > > > > >> > class and learned somewhere, or got off the internet...it is >born > > in > > > us > > > > >> > (which is obvious to those Indians who were raised surrounded >by >a > > > > >>white > > > > >> > society) and a non-Indian may be able to learn from us some >things, > > > but > > > > >>they > > > > >> > cannot "acquire" what they are not born with, and their >attempts >to > > > put > > > > >> > themselves on an "equal footing", with Indians, so to speak, is >at > > > best > > > > >> > futile...and at worst, an attempt at cultural theft... > > > > >> > B. > > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > >> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:59 PM > > > > >> > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > I shall play devil's advocate again and expose my rear to > > > everyone's > > > > >> > slings > > > > >> > > and arrows... > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > What about those people who do not "want to be NA", but just > > think > > > > >>our > > > > >> > > spirituality, philosophy and way of life is a good idea. >I've > > had > > > > >> > countless > > > > >> > > elders tell me, "I don't care what kind of blood you have, as > > long > > > as > > > > >>it's > > > > >> > > human". Just because an Anglo wants to practice our ways >because > > > it > > > > >>works > > > > >> > > for them, doesn't mean they deserve to be belittled by a > > derogatory > > > > >>name. > > > > >> > > Are there really that many among us that are so arrogant to >do > > so. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Where did we ever get the idea that that we were so >exclusive? > > > Isn't > > > > >>that > > > > >> > > TRUE racism? > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > dusty > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > > >> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:45 PM > > > > >> > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Elkdreamer, Where did the term come from? Arla > > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > >> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:38 PM > > > > >> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Halito Fay > > > > >> > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no >Indian > > > blood > > > > >>at > > > > >> > all > > > > >> > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > >> > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > >> > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > >> > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > >> > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without >the > > > > >>quotes > > > > >> > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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Sorry Dusty, but that is one which I have no answer for!! This is a clean Family type board so I will not give any other possible reasons. Jim jmorsn@coastalnet.com http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Fw: Choctaw Christian Culture > Right,,but actually there are four, two on the top and two on the bottom, > commonly referred to as "canine" teeth. > > Your statement was that humans teeth were not designed for tearing flesh. > I'm merely asking if that is true, what is the purpose of our canine teeth? > > dusty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Morrison, Jr. <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 12:47 AM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Fw: Choctaw Christian Culture > > > > What? Our two teeth? > > Jim > > > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 11:04 AM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Fw: Choctaw Christian Culture > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > How to reconcile our canine teeth? > > > > > > dusty > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Jim Morrison, Jr. <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 2:56 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Fw: Choctaw Christian Culture > > > > > > > > > > Human teeth were designed for chewing of nuts and fruits and not for > the > > > > tearing of meat and flesh that meat eaters do!! > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Patsy Caleb" <studentarchaeologist@home.com> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 2:33 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Fw: Choctaw Christian Culture > > > > > > > > > > > > > the lost books of the bible and forgotten books of eden say that > adam > > > and > > > > > eve began as eating only fruit from trees thus "fruititarians" > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 9:52 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Fw: Choctaw Christian Culture > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Katie: > > > > > > > > > > > > It certainly is possible. Write to CHAHTA-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > and put "subscribe" in the body of the message without the quotes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget to unsubscribe yourself from the CHAHTA-L list. > Sorry > > to > > > > > have > > > > > > inconvenienced you. > > > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > List Admin. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Katie Gustafsson <katie@transed.nu> > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 10:34 AM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [CHAHTA] Fw: Choctaw Christian Culture > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone please remind if it's possible to get a digest > version > > > of > > > > > this > > > > > > > list. The current debate on religion is filling up my mailbox > and > > > > it's > > > > > > not > > > > > > > what I'm on the Choctaw list to read. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Katie Gustafsson > > > > > > > Freelance Writer, Translator and Poet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deadlines and Diapers - weekly humor column > > > > > > > http://www.deadlinesanddiapers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wake Up Writing - daily writing exercise > > > > > > > http://www.wakeupwriting.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pregnancy Guru at lifetips.com > > > > > > > http://www.pregnant-tips.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamguide for USA > > > > > > > http://usa.edreams.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History Education Host at BellaOnline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.bellaonline.com/education/teaching_subjects/history_education/ > > > > > > > *Free monthly Newsletter emailed direct to your in-box > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contributing Editor for Women's History at Suite101: > > > > > > > http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/womens_history > > > > > > > *Free monthly Newsletter emailed direct to your in-box! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pregnancy Editor > > > > > > > http://www.thetoy-box.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... 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You think we know more now (over 2,000 years after the FACT) then those who came before us? I thought "elders" were teachers from their wisdom!! Jim jmorsn@coastalnet.com http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Fw: Choctaw Christian Culture > Halito Jim > In the Christan Bible it mentions Angles etc. that are helpers. And most > world religions refer to only one Supreme Being in their teachings with the > others as helpers. You have to remember that the people back then didn't > have the knowledge that we have today. They were trying to explain their > Spiritualty as they saw it through their eye's at that time in history. > Walk in Beauty > Elkdreamer > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Fw: Choctaw Christian Culture > >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:28:47 -0400 > > > >Oh I think there are plenty of people who beleive there is more than one > >god. Why? Look at the different "beleifs" and methods of worship.Where is > >it > >written that you are suppose to have Bible study on Weds. night? Or that > >Catholics do not HAVE to go to Mass on Sunday, but may go to 5:30 PM Mass > >on > >Saturday instead? Neptun, Vensus, Mars, Thor and the rest were all gods and > >godesses that the Greek worshiped. The Devil is a god that many worship. > >I beleive that there is only one "Supreme Being" though. And all of these > >other gods and godesses will have to answer to HIM in the end. > >Jim > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 10:18 AM > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Fw: Choctaw Christian Culture > > > > > > > Jim: > > > > > > Is what you are saying that you think there may be more than one "God"? > > > > > > dusty > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Jim Morrison, Jr. <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 11:21 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Fw: Choctaw Christian Culture > > > > > > > > > > I thought about this along time ago and forgot about it until just > >now. > > > This > > > > may sound strange to some, but if you think about it with an open mind > >you > > > > will see what I mean. > > > > > > > > I think that no matter who or what you believe in, if you believe it > > > > COMPLETELY without doubt, that is "plane" ypu will reach when you > >die!! > >If > > > > YOU believe in reincarnation then YOU will probably be reincarnated!! > >If > > > you > > > > believe in Devil worship then YOU will probably end up with the Devil. > >If > > > > you beive in a certain God then you will probably end up with that > >God. > >I > > > > will not say MY God is greater than YOUR God, because MY God gave you > >a > > > > brain to make YOUR own choice!! > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Barbara Ellison" <greybird7@pisp.net> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 6:05 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Fw: Choctaw Christian Culture > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...well I will ask you now...do you think that if people(some > >people, > > > > all > > > > > people, specific people, any people) don't accept Jesus as saviour, > >that > > > > > they will suffer for all eternity? My answer to my own question is > >"no". > > > > > (Please just say yes or no...it's a simple question) If your answer > >is > > > > > "yes", then we are right where we have been since the beginning of > >this > > > > > discussion,, and maybe then you will let it go...? > > > > > B. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 3:45 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Fw: Choctaw Christian Culture > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said "suffer for all eternity". Those aren't my words. > >That > > > > > > apparently is your interpretaton of hell. To the best of my > >memory > >of > > > > the > > > > > > past conversation, those were not my words. > > > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 2:15 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Fw: Choctaw Christian Culture > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't ask you to stop anything...I said I have all the time > >in > > > the > > > > > > world > > > > > > > and can wait til you do have time....If this quote you have made > >a > > > few > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at > > > > > http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? 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