thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Elkdreamer Wilkins <elkdremr@hotmail.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > in my humble opinion -IMHO- > Walk in Beauty > Elkdreamer > > > >From: "Patsy Caleb" <studentarchaeologist@home.com> > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 10:27:45 -0700 > > > >i always thought that Imho meant I imagine so > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 6:13 AM > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > IMHO if you feel you have the blood, then you probably do. It's those > >old > > > spirits calling to you. > > > > > > dusty > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Jim Morrison, Jr. <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 12:40 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > Elk > > > > What about those (ME!!) who feel that they are, ancestors were in the > > > proper > > > > geographical area at the right time frame, but just can not find the > >proof > > > > (or whatever you want to call it!!)? > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:38 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Fay > > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no Indian blood at > >all > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > >From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:11:49 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > >Excuse me, but, what is a twinkie? > > > > > >Fay > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: Kim Collins <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> > > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:07 PM > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Elkdreamer, > > > > > > > Well said! And so true. > > > > > > > Kim IBSSG > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:14 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Gemma > > > > > > > > I was refering to people that have no Native American blood > >in > > > > them > > > > > >at > > > > > > > > all. But I do feel for them because they are far removed from > > > their > > > > > > > > ancestors here in America. Our Old ones still walk with us > >here. > > > > > > > > Walk in beauty > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Gemma West <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > >Date: 3 Apr 2001 10:10:11 EDT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Who are you referring to when you say "they" ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Halito Gemma > > > > > > > > > My personal observations give me reason to believe that > >they > > > can > > > > > >see > > > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > > >we have a more centered culture with the bones of our > >Ancestors > > > > here > > > > > >with > > > > > > > > >us > > > > > > > > >to help guide our thoughts. They are trying to achive the > >same > > > > > >connect > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > >we feel to our past. > > > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Gemma West <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > >Date: 2 Apr 2001 11:02:35 EDT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sometimes I think the rush to investigate Indian ancestry > >is > > > > rather > > > > > > > > >amusing > > > > > > > > > >also. After all, it has been estimated that only 7% of all > > > > > >Americans > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > >Indian blood. On the other hand it has been estimated that > >20% > > > of > > > > > > > > > >European-Americans have African blood. For some reason, > > > however, > > > > > >there > > > > > > > > >has > > > > > > > > > >been no parallel rush to claim African blood. I have to > >wonder > > > > why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >This is a good topic if anyone wants to tackle it within > > > > > > > > >guidelines....the > > > > > > > > > >words "twinkie" and "wannabe" and their usage by both NA's > >and > > > > > >whites. > > > > > > > > > >Also, the prejudices that make these words acceptable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >dusty > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > >From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > > > > > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 9:20 PM > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Something so funny.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was listening to AIROS (www.airos.org/) > > > > > > > > > > > this morning and there was a comic on talking about a > > > twinkie > > > > > > > > >university > > > > > > > > > >called I Wannebe U....the whole routine was > >hilarious....this > > > is > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > >Got a GRIPE?? 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LOL Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: Chata1507@aol.com >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies >Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 08:02:17 EDT > >As many of my friends have commented we can be glad Columbus wasn't looking >for turkey. > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Need more CHOCTAW information. Visit Rusty Lang's pages at >http://www.choctaw-web.com for articles, censuses, etc. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Halito Jim See we are doing our job, making you think. Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies >Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 00:40:15 -0400 > >One thing that I would like to do is THANK everybody on this List. This is >the MOST use I have ever gotten from a dictionary!!! >Indian = a member of any of the aboriginal peoples of N. America, S. >America, or the West Indies; originally so named from the beleif, held by >early explorers, that these regions were part of Asia. >Jim > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:37 AM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > There are many opinions as to where the term "indian" came from. I > > personally like the one that says the Spanish used the term "in Dios" to > > refer to the natives they found on this continent. They were a people >"in > > Dois"....."in God". I like that. > > > > The world "Indian" does not offend me. I've heard it and used it all my > > life and I'm too old to break an old habit now. However, when I go into >the > > schools I do remind the children that there are those now who are >offended > > by the word, and for them to start the habit of referring to native >people > > as "Native Americans" or "American Indians". > > > > dusty > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Choctaw <choctaw@bscn.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 11:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > A Native American is anyone who is born in American. Personally, I >think > > we > > > call ourselves indians without second thought, but when someone else >does, > > > we think they are referring to someone from India. Sort of like >blacks > > > who don't mind being called "nigger" by each other, but are offended >if > > > anyone else calls them that. > > > I THINK that the term Native American is the "politically correct" >name > > > right now, although most "indians" prefer American Indian. > > > Speaking for myself, I think I prefer Indian or American Indian, of >the > > > three, but I would really rather just be call Choctaw. > > > I remember being probably four or five years old and learning that I >was > > > Choctaw. We at the time happened to live on Choctaw St. and I of >course > > > felt there was a reason for that and it was cause I lived there LOL >We > > had > > > a neighbor who had a bumper sticker on her car that said "Cherokee and > > Proud > > > of it" I remember wanting a car just so I could put a Choctaw sticker >on > > > it. I can say that I am 37 yrs old and have a bumper sticker on my >car > > that > > > says "Proud to be Choctaw". I also remember that I said I would marry >an > > > indian and my kids would "show" their indian more than I do. We all >know > > > that doesn't always work, but it does tell me that at a very early age >I > > > knew I was more indian inside than I looked on the outside. > > > When I've been asked if I could go back in time or be anyone, I have > > always > > > thought/said that I would want to be a Choctaw woman in the late >1700s, > > > just so I could learn the old ways before the foreign influences on >the > > > tribe. > > > Ok, getting off my soapbox. Notice I say nothing or very little, then >I > > > just start ranting? LOL? > > > Yokoke > > > Shelley > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at > > http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at >http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Halito and good morning Jim How true it is, we are only Human. I am reminded of when I was first trying to learn how to do bead work. It was after a Sweat/new moon ceremony. I would do a few row's of beads and see that I had one color out of place. I would take it all back apart and start over. Charley Tom the Yurok Medicine man who had poured water for the Sweat had been watching me for a couple of hours walked over and asked me what is was doing. I tried to explain to him the pattern that I was trying to make and he said, I can see the pattern that you doing but that wasn't my question. He said I asked what are you doing you keep taking it apart and starting over. Are you just praticing how to do it? I said no, I want to get the color's perfect in the pattern. Then he said there was only one perfect person in the history of the whole world and they nailed him to a tree, was I trying to get the same reward. From that day forward in all of my beadwork and Leatherwork I would make a flaw in it when I first started the piece and the rest of the pattern would just fall into place. We are only Human Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 16:09:51 -0400 > >Thank you!! >I told everybody at the beginning of this discussion I WAS NOT A BIBLE >TOOTER. >I am a MAN and I do make mistakes!! >Jim > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Thurman & Elizabeth Harrison" <harriso5@ix.netcom.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 6:38 PM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > It was Abraham. He was ordered by God to sacrifice his son. In the end >he > > did not have to follow through? > > thurman > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 5:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > I was going to ask that same question. I don't remember Job making > > > sacrifice. He complained a lot (lol), but his family members died >from > > > other causes, not from sacrifice. > > > > > > dusty > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Colin Kelley <CKELLEY@swpa.gov> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:39 PM > > > Subject: RE: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > > > Did Job sacrifice a son? > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Patsy Caleb [mailto:studentarchaeologist@home.com] > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 12:11 PM > > > > To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > > > > > The original "Thou Shalt not kill" reads "Thou shalt not kill >without >a > > > > reason" from the Lost Books of the Bible and forgotten Books of >Eden" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Jim Morrison, Jr. <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:16 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > > > > > > What "animal" gives its life freely to death? > > > > > The ONLY one that could is MAN (human). And even MAN does not do >so > > > > > hesitation. Could you honestly take a child of YOUR'S and kill the > > child > > > > as > > > > > an offering? For whatever the "rewards" that were promised. Could >you? > > > > > When did Job sacarafice is son? Before or after the 10 >Commandments > > were > > > > > writen? Why? Isn't one of the Commandments "Thous Shall Not Kill"? > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:12 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good question > > > > > > I think that the statement, offering of his life could be > > > considered > > > > to > > > > > > be like Job in the Bible he really didn't do it willing but when >he > > > did > > > > > God > > > > > > blessed him. Kind of like the warrior does giving thanks to the > > > animal's > > > > > > spirit so he could feed his family. > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:27:28 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I have one question here just for clarification. It doesn't >mean > > I'm > > > > > > >challenging your statement, it just means I have a question, >OK? > > If > > > > the > > > > > > >animal is giving an offering of it's life, why does it run >away? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >dusty > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >From: Elkdreamer Wilkins <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > >Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 5:19 AM > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Jim > > > > > > > > #1 question > > > > > > > > Another word for the supreme being > > > > > > > > #2 the offering of its life > > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 01:23:34 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Two quick questions: > > > > > > > > >1) Who is "Grand Father"? > > > > > > > > >2) The ANIMAL is giving an offering when IT is killed? > > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > > > > > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > >Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Dennis > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry if I offended you in anyway. My intrest is >in > > all > > > > > > >things > > > > > > > > > > Choctaw. and Spirituality is one of the aspects of it. >To > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > >Indian > > > > > > > > > > people you have to dig deep into their thought pattern. >When > > > > they > > > > > > >killed > > > > > > > > > > animals for food and clothing they said a prayer To > > > Grandfather > > > > > for > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > offering that the animal gave and gave respect to the >animal > > > > also. > > > > > > >When > > > > > > > > >they > > > > > > > > > > did beadwork they put part of their spirit in it also. >when > > a > > > > > object > > > > > > >was > > > > > > > > > > discarded it was done with respect. Spirtuality was > > considered > > > > in > > > > > > >all > > > > > > > > >things > > > > > > > > > > done. That is one of the reasons that the Europeans that > > came > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > misunderstood our people and their ways. > > > > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:56:57 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Message for Elkdreamer and Dusty: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regarding who subscribes to CHAHTA-L and why, permit me >to > > > > > suggest > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > > > > >this list very likely has Choctaw and non-Choctaw > > > subscribers. > > > > > > >Among > > > > > > > > >both > > > > > > > > > > >groups, there are those who have an exclusive interest >in > > > > > religion > > > > > > >all > > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > >way to those who have an exclusive interest in some >other > > > > aspect > > > > > of > > > > > > > > >Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > >life but no interest at all in religion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In my case, I find Choctaw religious beliefs and the >recent > > > > > > >discussion > > > > > > > > > > >surrounding them educational and thought provoking. > > However, > > > my > > > > > > > > >personal > > > > > > > > > > >interest does not directly concern Choctaw religion. It >is > > > very > > > > > > >narrow > > > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > > > >concerns central Mississippi, pre-removal Choctaw >social > > and > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > >customs, very narrowly defined examples of the Choctaw > > > language > > > > > as > > > > > > > > >about > > > > > > > > > > >1800, relationships with early white settlers, trails >and > > > paths > > > > > > > > >followed > > > > > > > > >by > > > > > > > > > > >these Choctaw in relationship to today's central > > Mississippi > > > > > county > > > > > > > > > > >boundaries and the impact of removal on these same >Choctaw > > > with > > > > > > > > >specific > > > > > > > > > > >emphasis on the Durant Choctaw clan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If I unsubscribe, which I will do one day (to return at >a > > > later > > > > > > >date), > > > > > > > > >it > > > > > > > > > > >will have nothing to do with whether I do or do not >"learn > > > > other > > > > > > > > >religious > > > > > > > > > > >views," "heat in the kitchen" or "sensitive subjects." >It > > > will > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > >everything to do with the fact that I subscribe to >about > > > > > > >thirty-five > > > > > > > > >lists, > > > > > > > > > > >receive mountains of email and have priorities on my >time > > and > > > > my > > > > > > > > >interests > > > > > > > > > > >that are quite different than anyone else on this list >- >a > > > > > comment > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > > > > >about everyone of you can make. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Recognize that one of the wonderful aspects of CHAHTA-L >(in > > > > > > >comparison > > > > > > > > >with > > > > > > > > > > >virtually all na hollo lists) is the diversity of >thought, > > > > > > >background, > > > > > > > > > > >education and perspective it offers. Were I to make one > > > > > suggestion > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > >those > > > > > > > > > > >of you who clearly dominate this list, please guard >against > > > > > > >becoming > > > > > > > > >too > > > > > > > > > > >clannish lest the very diversity that enriches this >site > > > might > > > > in > > > > > > >time > > > > > > > > > > >vanish leaving something less in its wake than you >enjoy > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >At 08:50 AM 03/31/2001 -0800, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>Halito Dusty and All list members > > > > > > > > > > >> I believe that we all have the right to believe in >the > > way > > > > > that > > > > > > >we > > > > > > > > >want > > > > > > > > > > >>to. And in this aspect the right to discuss our and >each > > > > others > > > > > > >views > > > > > > > > >in > > > > > > > > > > >>a intellegent and Adult way. Aparentlly the ones that >left > > > > will > > > > > in > > > > > > >no > > > > > > > > >way > > > > > > > > > > >>ever learn that there are other views than their own. >Like > > I > > > > > have > > > > > > > > >always > > > > > > > > > > >>been told if you can't stand the heat get out of the > > > kitchen. > > > > I > > > > > > >guess > > > > > > > > > > >>that is what they did. Lets keep up the heat I'm >having > > fun. > > > > > > > > > > >> Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > > > > >> Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > > > > > > >>>Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > >>>To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > >>>Subject: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > > > >>>Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:38:58 -0600 > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>We lost another 5 listmembers this morning. Don't >know > > for > > > > > what > > > > > > > > >reason. > > > > > > > > > > >>>While I suspect sensitive subject matter may be the > > reason, > > > > > this > > > > > > >is > > > > > > > > >only > > > > > > > > > > >>>a > > > > > > > > > > >>>supposition on my part. I have absolutely no >objection > > to > > > > the > > > > > > >topic > > > > > > > > > > >>>continuing if that's what you guys want. Among other > > > > > > >peculiarities > > > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > > > >>>character faults, I happen to wholeheartedly support >the > > > > First > > > > > > > > >Amendment > > > > > > > > > > >>>on > > > > > > > > > > >>>this particular topic. What do you guys think?? > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > >Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > > > > > > > >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't > > post > > > it > > > > > to > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > >list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > > > > > > > > >CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > >Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > > > > > >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > Choctaw Home Page: > > > > > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > >Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > > > >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the > > quotes > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the >quotes > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at > > > > http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the >quotes > > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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Can't wait for the story Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 23:54:14 -0700 > >If that's the case, 1902, then I will have a really good story to tell but >I >must wait. You know how that is, just sitting here biting my finger to the >bone.LOL >Fay >----- Original Message ----- >From: Elkdreamer Wilkins <elkdremr@hotmail.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 7:32 AM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > Halito Fay > > On the Nail site the first page has the year that it was done. It was > > in 1902. > > Walk in Beauty > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > >From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:35:46 -0700 > > > > > >But how do you know what year that roll was done? I'm thinking there >is > > >some broad span of years. Do you just have to wait until you get the > > >packet > > >and then will you be able to find out about when they were born? > > >Fay > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:19 PM > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > > > > Yes, age is listed on the Dawes roll. You calculate it from the >year > > >that > > > > particular roll was done. > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:06 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, it tells you so much but it doesn't say what year that > > > > information > > > > > was taken so you don't know when a person was born. I will call >them > > >and > > > > see > > > > > if I can order over the phone. > > > > > Fay > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 7:22 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can tell you what family members are listed on the same census > > >card, > > > > > > sometimes helping people to recognize if a name is their >ancestor >or > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems to me like I have been told you can do this over the phone > > >with > > > > > credit > > > > > > card. > > > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:14 AM > > > > > > Subject: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dusty, Can you order a packet over the phone and pay with a >credit > > > > card? > > > > > > > I have a name, age, census number, and roll number. Is there >any > > >more > > > > > > info. > > > > > > > on what you have? > > > > > > > Fay > > > > > > > Don't ever give up.!!!! > > > > > > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/gedcoms/ratcliff/ > > > > > > > List owner HOLDEN-L, SCHIFANO-L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > > > > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without >the > > > > quotes > > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > > > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without >the > > >quotes > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > Choctaw Home Page: > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > >Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the >quotes > > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... 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As many of my friends have commented we can be glad Columbus wasn't looking for turkey.

in my humble opinion -IMHO- Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: "Patsy Caleb" <studentarchaeologist@home.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 10:27:45 -0700 > >i always thought that Imho meant I imagine so >----- Original Message ----- >From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 6:13 AM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > IMHO if you feel you have the blood, then you probably do. It's those >old > > spirits calling to you. > > > > dusty > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jim Morrison, Jr. <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 12:40 AM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > Elk > > > What about those (ME!!) who feel that they are, ancestors were in the > > proper > > > geographical area at the right time frame, but just can not find the >proof > > > (or whatever you want to call it!!)? > > > Jim > > > > > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:38 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > Halito Fay > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no Indian blood at >all > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > >From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:11:49 -0700 > > > > > > > > > >Excuse me, but, what is a twinkie? > > > > >Fay > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: Kim Collins <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:07 PM > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Elkdreamer, > > > > > > Well said! And so true. > > > > > > Kim IBSSG > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:14 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Gemma > > > > > > > I was refering to people that have no Native American blood >in > > > them > > > > >at > > > > > > > all. But I do feel for them because they are far removed from > > their > > > > > > > ancestors here in America. Our Old ones still walk with us >here. > > > > > > > Walk in beauty > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Gemma West <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > >Date: 3 Apr 2001 10:10:11 EDT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Who are you referring to when you say "they" ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >Halito Gemma > > > > > > > > My personal observations give me reason to believe that >they > > can > > > > >see > > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > >we have a more centered culture with the bones of our >Ancestors > > > here > > > > >with > > > > > > > >us > > > > > > > >to help guide our thoughts. They are trying to achive the >same > > > > >connect > > > > > > that > > > > > > > >we feel to our past. > > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Gemma West <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > >Date: 2 Apr 2001 11:02:35 EDT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sometimes I think the rush to investigate Indian ancestry >is > > > rather > > > > > > > >amusing > > > > > > > > >also. After all, it has been estimated that only 7% of all > > > > >Americans > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > >Indian blood. On the other hand it has been estimated that >20% > > of > > > > > > > > >European-Americans have African blood. For some reason, > > however, > > > > >there > > > > > > > >has > > > > > > > > >been no parallel rush to claim African blood. I have to >wonder > > > why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > >This is a good topic if anyone wants to tackle it within > > > > > > > >guidelines....the > > > > > > > > >words "twinkie" and "wannabe" and their usage by both NA's >and > > > > >whites. > > > > > > > > >Also, the prejudices that make these words acceptable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >dusty > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > >From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > > > > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 9:20 PM > > > > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Something so funny.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was listening to AIROS (www.airos.org/) > > > > > > > > > > this morning and there was a comic on talking about a > > twinkie > > > > > > > >university > > > > > > > > >called I Wannebe U....the whole routine was >hilarious....this > > is > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > >Got a GRIPE?? 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Halito Patsy Witch Doctors I believe is a European term used to discribe the spititutal people of other cultures that they believed were basicly devil worship, because they believed that christanity was the only true belief. We call them Spiritual people and they worked with herbs and a combination of spirititual things. Kind of like the doctors do today operate then pray a lot for their recovery. It is just that our Ancestors only had so much to work with and the weak or deformed didn't last long. Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: "Patsy Caleb" <studentarchaeologist@home.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 10:25:35 -0700 > >elkdreamer do the choctaws have exorists like a withchdoctor or the like >----- Original Message ----- >From: Elkdreamer Wilkins <elkdremr@hotmail.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 8:44 AM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > Halito Jim > > The spirit of all is impornant. Every animal, Plant, bug, bird, bacteria > > etc: are part of the circle of life and must be respected as such. > > The prayer that we say, All my relations means. > > A-ho Grandfather > > A prayer for the four leggeged, two leggeged, winged and finned, >the > > tree nation's, the creeping and crawling. > > All my relations > > A-ho > > Walk in beauty > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 00:53:33 -0400 > > > > > >I am not a student of anthroplogy so I looked it up in the dictionary!! > > >anthropology = the study of man, esp. of variety, physical and cultural > > >characteristics, distribution, customs, social relationships, etc. of > > >mankind: often restricted to the study of the institutions, myths, etc. >of > > >nonliterate peoples. > > >Hmmmm > > >As for "Flight or Fight", I never thought of it as a "human" trait, but >as > > >an animal one. > > >You pray to the "sprit" of a cow, pig, chicken, egg, etc. for them >being >so > > >nice as to allow themselves to be killed so that you can eat them? >WOW!!! > > >Jim > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:34 PM > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > > > Halito Jim > > > > Grandfather is a term that we use in respect for the Creator of >life. > > > > And as a student of anthroplogy I also know about the flight or >fight > > > > reasoning that humans have. This instinct is what has enabled our > > >species > > > > to survive. The offering that I refer to is the respect that we give >to > > >the > > > > animals spirit and acknowledging that we all are part of the circle >of > > >life. > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:42:23 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >Elk > > > > >Is your "Grand Father" the same as mine? Who is your supreme being? > > > > > > > > > >An "offering" would be like a "gift". The only animal that has the > > > > >intelligence to make that decission is "MAN". We have a natural > > >instinct > > > > >called "Flight or Fight". All "animals" will rather fight than >die!! > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 6:19 AM > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Jim > > > > > > #1 question > > > > > > Another word for the supreme being > > > > > > #2 the offering of its life > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 01:23:34 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Two quick questions: > > > > > > >1) Who is "Grand Father"? > > > > > > >2) The ANIMAL is giving an offering when IT is killed? > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > > > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > >Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 10:36 PM > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Dennis > > > > > > > > I am sorry if I offended you in anyway. My intrest is in >all > > > > >things > > > > > > > > Choctaw. and Spirituality is one of the aspects of it. To > > >understand > > > > > > >Indian > > > > > > > > people you have to dig deep into their thought pattern. When > > >they > > > > >killed > > > > > > > > animals for food and clothing they said a prayer To >Grandfather > > >for > > > > >the > > > > > > > > offering that the animal gave and gave respect to the animal > > >also. > > > > >When > > > > > > >they > > > > > > > > did beadwork they put part of their spirit in it also. when >a > > >object > > > > >was > > > > > > > > discarded it was done with respect. Spirtuality was >considered > > >in > > > > >all > > > > > > >things > > > > > > > > done. That is one of the reasons that the Europeans that >came > > >here > > > > > > > > misunderstood our people and their ways. > > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:56:57 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Message for Elkdreamer and Dusty: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regarding who subscribes to CHAHTA-L and why, permit me to > > >suggest > > > > >that > > > > > > > > >this list very likely has Choctaw and non-Choctaw >subscribers. > > > > >Among > > > > > > >both > > > > > > > > >groups, there are those who have an exclusive interest in > > >religion > > > > >all > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > >way to those who have an exclusive interest in some other > > >aspect > > >of > > > > > > >Choctaw > > > > > > > > >life but no interest at all in religion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In my case, I find Choctaw religious beliefs and the recent > > > > >discussion > > > > > > > > >surrounding them educational and thought provoking. >However, >my > > > > > > >personal > > > > > > > > >interest does not directly concern Choctaw religion. It is >very > > > > >narrow > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > >concerns central Mississippi, pre-removal Choctaw social >and > > >family > > > > > > > > >customs, very narrowly defined examples of the Choctaw >language > > >as > > > > > > >about > > > > > > > > >1800, relationships with early white settlers, trails and >paths > > > > > > >followed > > > > > > >by > > > > > > > > >these Choctaw in relationship to today's central >Mississippi > > >county > > > > > > > > >boundaries and the impact of removal on these same Choctaw >with > > > > > > >specific > > > > > > > > >emphasis on the Durant Choctaw clan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If I unsubscribe, which I will do one day (to return at a >later > > > > >date), > > > > > > >it > > > > > > > > >will have nothing to do with whether I do or do not "learn > > >other > > > > > > >religious > > > > > > > > >views," "heat in the kitchen" or "sensitive subjects." It >will > > >have > > > > > > > > >everything to do with the fact that I subscribe to about > > > > >thirty-five > > > > > > >lists, > > > > > > > > >receive mountains of email and have priorities on my time >and > > >my > > > > > > >interests > > > > > > > > >that are quite different than anyone else on this list - a > > >comment > > > > >that > > > > > > > > >about everyone of you can make. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Recognize that one of the wonderful aspects of CHAHTA-L (in > > > > >comparison > > > > > > >with > > > > > > > > >virtually all na hollo lists) is the diversity of thought, > > > > >background, > > > > > > > > >education and perspective it offers. Were I to make one > > >suggestion > > > > >to > > > > > > >those > > > > > > > > >of you who clearly dominate this list, please guard against > > > > >becoming > > > > > > >too > > > > > > > > >clannish lest the very diversity that enriches this site >might > > >in > > > > >time > > > > > > > > >vanish leaving something less in its wake than you enjoy >today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >At 08:50 AM 03/31/2001 -0800, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Halito Dusty and All list members > > > > > > > > >> I believe that we all have the right to believe in the >way > > >that > > > > >we > > > > > > >want > > > > > > > > >>to. And in this aspect the right to discuss our and each > > >others > > > > >views > > > > > > >in > > > > > > > > >>a intellegent and Adult way. Aparentlly the ones that left > > >will > > >in > > > > >no > > > > > > >way > > > > > > > > >>ever learn that there are other views than their own. Like >I > > >have > > > > > > >always > > > > > > > > >>been told if you can't stand the heat get out of the >kitchen. > > >I > > > > >guess > > > > > > > > >>that is what they did. Lets keep up the heat I'm having >fun. > > > > > > > > >> Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > > >> Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>>From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > > > > >>>Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >>>To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >>>Subject: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > >>>Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:38:58 -0600 > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>>We lost another 5 listmembers this morning. Don't know >for > > >what > > > > > > >reason. > > > > > > > > >>>While I suspect sensitive subject matter may be the >reason, > > >this > > > > >is > > > > > > >only > > > > > > > > >>>a > > > > > > > > >>>supposition on my part. I have absolutely no objection >to > > >the > > > > >topic > > > > > > > > >>>continuing if that's what you guys want. Among other > > > > >peculiarities > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > >>>character faults, I happen to wholeheartedly support the > > >First > > > > > > >Amendment > > > > > > > > >>>on > > > > > > > > >>>this particular topic. What do you guys think?? > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>>dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > >Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > > > > > >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't >post >it > > >to > > > > >the > > > > > > >list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > > > > > > >CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > >Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > > > >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > Choctaw Home Page: > > > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > >Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > Need more CHOCTAW information. 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Yes it is Patsy The dust has the flesh and bones of our ancestors. Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: "Patsy Caleb" <studentarchaeologist@home.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 10:23:31 -0700 > >Even every speck of dust >----- Original Message ----- >From: Elkdreamer Wilkins <elkdremr@hotmail.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 8:44 AM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > Halito Jim > > The spirit of all is impornant. Every animal, Plant, bug, bird, bacteria > > etc: are part of the circle of life and must be respected as such. > > The prayer that we say, All my relations means. > > A-ho Grandfather > > A prayer for the four leggeged, two leggeged, winged and finned, >the > > tree nation's, the creeping and crawling. > > All my relations > > A-ho > > Walk in beauty > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 00:53:33 -0400 > > > > > >I am not a student of anthroplogy so I looked it up in the dictionary!! > > >anthropology = the study of man, esp. of variety, physical and cultural > > >characteristics, distribution, customs, social relationships, etc. of > > >mankind: often restricted to the study of the institutions, myths, etc. >of > > >nonliterate peoples. > > >Hmmmm > > >As for "Flight or Fight", I never thought of it as a "human" trait, but >as > > >an animal one. > > >You pray to the "sprit" of a cow, pig, chicken, egg, etc. for them >being >so > > >nice as to allow themselves to be killed so that you can eat them? >WOW!!! > > >Jim > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:34 PM > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > > > Halito Jim > > > > Grandfather is a term that we use in respect for the Creator of >life. > > > > And as a student of anthroplogy I also know about the flight or >fight > > > > reasoning that humans have. This instinct is what has enabled our > > >species > > > > to survive. The offering that I refer to is the respect that we give >to > > >the > > > > animals spirit and acknowledging that we all are part of the circle >of > > >life. > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:42:23 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >Elk > > > > >Is your "Grand Father" the same as mine? Who is your supreme being? > > > > > > > > > >An "offering" would be like a "gift". The only animal that has the > > > > >intelligence to make that decission is "MAN". We have a natural > > >instinct > > > > >called "Flight or Fight". All "animals" will rather fight than >die!! > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 6:19 AM > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Jim > > > > > > #1 question > > > > > > Another word for the supreme being > > > > > > #2 the offering of its life > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 01:23:34 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Two quick questions: > > > > > > >1) Who is "Grand Father"? > > > > > > >2) The ANIMAL is giving an offering when IT is killed? > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > > > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > >Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 10:36 PM > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Dennis > > > > > > > > I am sorry if I offended you in anyway. My intrest is in >all > > > > >things > > > > > > > > Choctaw. and Spirituality is one of the aspects of it. To > > >understand > > > > > > >Indian > > > > > > > > people you have to dig deep into their thought pattern. When > > >they > > > > >killed > > > > > > > > animals for food and clothing they said a prayer To >Grandfather > > >for > > > > >the > > > > > > > > offering that the animal gave and gave respect to the animal > > >also. > > > > >When > > > > > > >they > > > > > > > > did beadwork they put part of their spirit in it also. when >a > > >object > > > > >was > > > > > > > > discarded it was done with respect. Spirtuality was >considered > > >in > > > > >all > > > > > > >things > > > > > > > > done. That is one of the reasons that the Europeans that >came > > >here > > > > > > > > misunderstood our people and their ways. > > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:56:57 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Message for Elkdreamer and Dusty: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regarding who subscribes to CHAHTA-L and why, permit me to > > >suggest > > > > >that > > > > > > > > >this list very likely has Choctaw and non-Choctaw >subscribers. > > > > >Among > > > > > > >both > > > > > > > > >groups, there are those who have an exclusive interest in > > >religion > > > > >all > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > >way to those who have an exclusive interest in some other > > >aspect > > >of > > > > > > >Choctaw > > > > > > > > >life but no interest at all in religion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In my case, I find Choctaw religious beliefs and the recent > > > > >discussion > > > > > > > > >surrounding them educational and thought provoking. >However, >my > > > > > > >personal > > > > > > > > >interest does not directly concern Choctaw religion. It is >very > > > > >narrow > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > >concerns central Mississippi, pre-removal Choctaw social >and > > >family > > > > > > > > >customs, very narrowly defined examples of the Choctaw >language > > >as > > > > > > >about > > > > > > > > >1800, relationships with early white settlers, trails and >paths > > > > > > >followed > > > > > > >by > > > > > > > > >these Choctaw in relationship to today's central >Mississippi > > >county > > > > > > > > >boundaries and the impact of removal on these same Choctaw >with > > > > > > >specific > > > > > > > > >emphasis on the Durant Choctaw clan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If I unsubscribe, which I will do one day (to return at a >later > > > > >date), > > > > > > >it > > > > > > > > >will have nothing to do with whether I do or do not "learn > > >other > > > > > > >religious > > > > > > > > >views," "heat in the kitchen" or "sensitive subjects." It >will > > >have > > > > > > > > >everything to do with the fact that I subscribe to about > > > > >thirty-five > > > > > > >lists, > > > > > > > > >receive mountains of email and have priorities on my time >and > > >my > > > > > > >interests > > > > > > > > >that are quite different than anyone else on this list - a > > >comment > > > > >that > > > > > > > > >about everyone of you can make. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Recognize that one of the wonderful aspects of CHAHTA-L (in > > > > >comparison > > > > > > >with > > > > > > > > >virtually all na hollo lists) is the diversity of thought, > > > > >background, > > > > > > > > >education and perspective it offers. Were I to make one > > >suggestion > > > > >to > > > > > > >those > > > > > > > > >of you who clearly dominate this list, please guard against > > > > >becoming > > > > > > >too > > > > > > > > >clannish lest the very diversity that enriches this site >might > > >in > > > > >time > > > > > > > > >vanish leaving something less in its wake than you enjoy >today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >At 08:50 AM 03/31/2001 -0800, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Halito Dusty and All list members > > > > > > > > >> I believe that we all have the right to believe in the >way > > >that > > > > >we > > > > > > >want > > > > > > > > >>to. And in this aspect the right to discuss our and each > > >others > > > > >views > > > > > > >in > > > > > > > > >>a intellegent and Adult way. Aparentlly the ones that left > > >will > > >in > > > > >no > > > > > > >way > > > > > > > > >>ever learn that there are other views than their own. Like >I > > >have > > > > > > >always > > > > > > > > >>been told if you can't stand the heat get out of the >kitchen. > > >I > > > > >guess > > > > > > > > >>that is what they did. Lets keep up the heat I'm having >fun. > > > > > > > > >> Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > > >> Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>>From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > > > > >>>Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >>>To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >>>Subject: [CHAHTA] TOPIC OF RELIGION > > > > > > > > >>>Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:38:58 -0600 > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>>We lost another 5 listmembers this morning. Don't know >for > > >what > > > > > > >reason. > > > > > > > > >>>While I suspect sensitive subject matter may be the >reason, > > >this > > > > >is > > > > > > >only > > > > > > > > >>>a > > > > > > > > >>>supposition on my part. I have absolutely no objection >to > > >the > > > > >topic > > > > > > > > >>>continuing if that's what you guys want. Among other > > > > >peculiarities > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > >>>character faults, I happen to wholeheartedly support the > > >First > > > > > > >Amendment > > > > > > > > >>>on > > > > > > > > >>>this particular topic. What do you guys think?? > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>>dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > >Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > > > > > >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? 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One thing that I would like to do is THANK everybody on this List. This is the MOST use I have ever gotten from a dictionary!!! Indian = a member of any of the aboriginal peoples of N. America, S. America, or the West Indies; originally so named from the beleif, held by early explorers, that these regions were part of Asia. Jim jmorsn@coastalnet.com http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > There are many opinions as to where the term "indian" came from. I > personally like the one that says the Spanish used the term "in Dios" to > refer to the natives they found on this continent. They were a people "in > Dois"....."in God". I like that. > > The world "Indian" does not offend me. I've heard it and used it all my > life and I'm too old to break an old habit now. However, when I go into the > schools I do remind the children that there are those now who are offended > by the word, and for them to start the habit of referring to native people > as "Native Americans" or "American Indians". > > dusty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Choctaw <choctaw@bscn.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 11:57 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > A Native American is anyone who is born in American. Personally, I think > we > > call ourselves indians without second thought, but when someone else does, > > we think they are referring to someone from India. Sort of like blacks > > who don't mind being called "nigger" by each other, but are offended if > > anyone else calls them that. > > I THINK that the term Native American is the "politically correct" name > > right now, although most "indians" prefer American Indian. > > Speaking for myself, I think I prefer Indian or American Indian, of the > > three, but I would really rather just be call Choctaw. > > I remember being probably four or five years old and learning that I was > > Choctaw. We at the time happened to live on Choctaw St. and I of course > > felt there was a reason for that and it was cause I lived there LOL We > had > > a neighbor who had a bumper sticker on her car that said "Cherokee and > Proud > > of it" I remember wanting a car just so I could put a Choctaw sticker on > > it. I can say that I am 37 yrs old and have a bumper sticker on my car > that > > says "Proud to be Choctaw". I also remember that I said I would marry an > > indian and my kids would "show" their indian more than I do. We all know > > that doesn't always work, but it does tell me that at a very early age I > > knew I was more indian inside than I looked on the outside. > > When I've been asked if I could go back in time or be anyone, I have > always > > thought/said that I would want to be a Choctaw woman in the late 1700s, > > just so I could learn the old ways before the foreign influences on the > > tribe. > > Ok, getting off my soapbox. Notice I say nothing or very little, then I > > just start ranting? LOL? > > Yokoke > > Shelley > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at > http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

I'm sorry, I didn't read the rest of your message. Fay ----- Original Message ----- From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > Some groups are dated as of 1902. Other groups are dated as of different > dates. Here's the way it breaks down: > > Choctaws by Blood, Sept. 25, 1902 > Newborn Choctaws, March 4, 1905 > Minor Choctaws, Marhc 4, 1906 > Intermarried Choctaws, Sept. 25, 1902 > Choctaw Freedmen, Sept. 25, 1902 > Minor Choctaw Freedmen, March 4, 1906 > > Mississippi Choctaws, Sept. 25, 1902 > Newborn Miss. Choctaw, March 4, 1905 > Minor Miss. Choctaw, March 4, 1906 > > Chickasaws, Sept. 25, 1902 > Newborn Chickasaw, March 4, 1905 > Minor Chickasaw, March 4, 1906 > Intermarried Chickasaw, Sept. 25, 1902 > Chickasaw Freedmen, 'Sept. 25, 1902 > > Cherokee by Blood, Sept. 1, 1902 > Minor Cherokee, March 4, 1905 > Delaware Cherokee-no date shown on roll > Intermarried Cherokee-no date shown > Cherokee Freedmen-no date shown > Minor Cherokee Freedmen-March 4, 1907 > > Creeks by Blood-age is shown as of date of enrollment. In order to > calculate age it is necessary to have a copy of census card showing date of > enrollment > Newborn Creeks-age as of enrollment date > Minor Creek-age as of enrollment date > Creek Freedmen-age as of enrollment date > Minor Creek Freedmen-age age of enrollment date > > Seminole by Blood-Dec. 31, 1899 > Seminole Freedmen-March 3, 1905 > Minor Seminoles-March 3, 1905 > > dusty > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Elkdreamer Wilkins <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 9:32 AM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > Halito Fay > > On the Nail site the first page has the year that it was done. It was > > in 1902. > > Walk in Beauty > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > >From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:35:46 -0700 > > > > > >But how do you know what year that roll was done? I'm thinking there is > > >some broad span of years. Do you just have to wait until you get the > > >packet > > >and then will you be able to find out about when they were born? > > >Fay > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:19 PM > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > > > > Yes, age is listed on the Dawes roll. You calculate it from the year > > >that > > > > particular roll was done. > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:06 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, it tells you so much but it doesn't say what year that > > > > information > > > > > was taken so you don't know when a person was born. I will call them > > >and > > > > see > > > > > if I can order over the phone. > > > > > Fay > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 7:22 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can tell you what family members are listed on the same census > > >card, > > > > > > sometimes helping people to recognize if a name is their ancestor > or > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems to me like I have been told you can do this over the phone > > >with > > > > > credit > > > > > > card. > > > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:14 AM > > > > > > Subject: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dusty, Can you order a packet over the phone and pay with a > credit > > > > card? > > > > > > > I have a name, age, census number, and roll number. Is there > any > > >more > > > > > > info. > > > > > > > on what you have? > > > > > > > Fay > > > > > > > Don't ever give up.!!!! > > > > > > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/gedcoms/ratcliff/ > > > > > > > List owner HOLDEN-L, SCHIFANO-L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > > > > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without > the > > > > quotes > > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > > > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the > > >quotes > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > Choctaw Home Page: > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > >Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... 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What about Creeks by Blood? Fay ----- Original Message ----- From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > Some groups are dated as of 1902. Other groups are dated as of different > dates. Here's the way it breaks down: > > Choctaws by Blood, Sept. 25, 1902 > Newborn Choctaws, March 4, 1905 > Minor Choctaws, Marhc 4, 1906 > Intermarried Choctaws, Sept. 25, 1902 > Choctaw Freedmen, Sept. 25, 1902 > Minor Choctaw Freedmen, March 4, 1906 > > Mississippi Choctaws, Sept. 25, 1902 > Newborn Miss. Choctaw, March 4, 1905 > Minor Miss. Choctaw, March 4, 1906 > > Chickasaws, Sept. 25, 1902 > Newborn Chickasaw, March 4, 1905 > Minor Chickasaw, March 4, 1906 > Intermarried Chickasaw, Sept. 25, 1902 > Chickasaw Freedmen, 'Sept. 25, 1902 > > Cherokee by Blood, Sept. 1, 1902 > Minor Cherokee, March 4, 1905 > Delaware Cherokee-no date shown on roll > Intermarried Cherokee-no date shown > Cherokee Freedmen-no date shown > Minor Cherokee Freedmen-March 4, 1907 > > Creeks by Blood-age is shown as of date of enrollment. In order to > calculate age it is necessary to have a copy of census card showing date of > enrollment > Newborn Creeks-age as of enrollment date > Minor Creek-age as of enrollment date > Creek Freedmen-age as of enrollment date > Minor Creek Freedmen-age age of enrollment date > > Seminole by Blood-Dec. 31, 1899 > Seminole Freedmen-March 3, 1905 > Minor Seminoles-March 3, 1905 > > dusty > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Elkdreamer Wilkins <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 9:32 AM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > Halito Fay > > On the Nail site the first page has the year that it was done. It was > > in 1902. > > Walk in Beauty > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > >From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:35:46 -0700 > > > > > >But how do you know what year that roll was done? I'm thinking there is > > >some broad span of years. Do you just have to wait until you get the > > >packet > > >and then will you be able to find out about when they were born? > > >Fay > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:19 PM > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > > > > Yes, age is listed on the Dawes roll. You calculate it from the year > > >that > > > > particular roll was done. > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:06 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, it tells you so much but it doesn't say what year that > > > > information > > > > > was taken so you don't know when a person was born. I will call them > > >and > > > > see > > > > > if I can order over the phone. > > > > > Fay > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 7:22 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can tell you what family members are listed on the same census > > >card, > > > > > > sometimes helping people to recognize if a name is their ancestor > or > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems to me like I have been told you can do this over the phone > > >with > > > > > credit > > > > > > card. > > > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:14 AM > > > > > > Subject: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dusty, Can you order a packet over the phone and pay with a > credit > > > > card? > > > > > > > I have a name, age, census number, and roll number. Is there > any > > >more > > > > > > info. > > > > > > > on what you have? > > > > > > > Fay > > > > > > > Don't ever give up.!!!! > > > > > > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/gedcoms/ratcliff/ > > > > > > > List owner HOLDEN-L, SCHIFANO-L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > > > > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without > the > > > > quotes > > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > > > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the > > >quotes > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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I don't either. When I first got on this list, I kept seeing LOL. Well, I didn't want to ask but my sister that lives in TX teaches computer classes and when she came to visit, I asked her what did LOL mean. She said, laughed out loud or laughing out loud. I said oh, I thought it meant "Lord O Lord". When I told Markie that, she said she laughed so hard her sides hurt. Fay ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Branum <mamalin@1s.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] IMHO? Dusty > Hi Dusty, > I am wondering what IMHO is. I know its like LOL and other puter slang but > I keep seeing this one and don't know what you mean????? > Thanks Dusty, > Linda Kirby Branum > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 8:13 AM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > IMHO if you feel you have the blood, then you probably do. It's those > old > > spirits calling to you. > > > > dusty > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jim Morrison, Jr. <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 12:40 AM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > Elk > > > What about those (ME!!) who feel that they are, ancestors were in the > > proper > > > geographical area at the right time frame, but just can not find the > proof > > > (or whatever you want to call it!!)? > > > Jim > > > > > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:38 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > Halito Fay > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no Indian blood at > all > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > >From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:11:49 -0700 > > > > > > > > > >Excuse me, but, what is a twinkie? > > > > >Fay > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: Kim Collins <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:07 PM > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Elkdreamer, > > > > > > Well said! And so true. > > > > > > Kim IBSSG > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:14 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Gemma > > > > > > > I was refering to people that have no Native American blood in > > > them > > > > >at > > > > > > > all. But I do feel for them because they are far removed from > > their > > > > > > > ancestors here in America. Our Old ones still walk with us here. > > > > > > > Walk in beauty > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Gemma West <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > >Date: 3 Apr 2001 10:10:11 EDT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Who are you referring to when you say "they" ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >Halito Gemma > > > > > > > > My personal observations give me reason to believe that they > > can > > > > >see > > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > >we have a more centered culture with the bones of our Ancestors > > > here > > > > >with > > > > > > > >us > > > > > > > >to help guide our thoughts. They are trying to achive the same > > > > >connect > > > > > > that > > > > > > > >we feel to our past. > > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Gemma West <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > >Date: 2 Apr 2001 11:02:35 EDT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sometimes I think the rush to investigate Indian ancestry is > > > rather > > > > > > > >amusing > > > > > > > > >also. After all, it has been estimated that only 7% of all > > > > >Americans > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > >Indian blood. On the other hand it has been estimated that > 20% > > of > > > > > > > > >European-Americans have African blood. For some reason, > > however, > > > > >there > > > > > > > >has > > > > > > > > >been no parallel rush to claim African blood. I have to > wonder > > > why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > >This is a good topic if anyone wants to tackle it within > > > > > > > >guidelines....the > > > > > > > > >words "twinkie" and "wannabe" and their usage by both NA's > and > > > > >whites. > > > > > > > > >Also, the prejudices that make these words acceptable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >dusty > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > >From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > > > > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 9:20 PM > > > > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Something so funny.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was listening to AIROS (www.airos.org/) > > > > > > > > > > this morning and there was a comic on talking about a > > twinkie > > > > > > > >university > > > > > > > > >called I Wannebe U....the whole routine was hilarious....this > > is > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > >Got a GRIPE?? 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If that's the case, 1902, then I will have a really good story to tell but I must wait. You know how that is, just sitting here biting my finger to the bone.LOL Fay ----- Original Message ----- From: Elkdreamer Wilkins <elkdremr@hotmail.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > Halito Fay > On the Nail site the first page has the year that it was done. It was > in 1902. > Walk in Beauty > Elkdreamer > > > >From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:35:46 -0700 > > > >But how do you know what year that roll was done? I'm thinking there is > >some broad span of years. Do you just have to wait until you get the > >packet > >and then will you be able to find out about when they were born? > >Fay > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:19 PM > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > Yes, age is listed on the Dawes roll. You calculate it from the year > >that > > > particular roll was done. > > > > > > dusty > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:06 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > > > > You know, it tells you so much but it doesn't say what year that > > > information > > > > was taken so you don't know when a person was born. I will call them > >and > > > see > > > > if I can order over the phone. > > > > Fay > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 7:22 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can tell you what family members are listed on the same census > >card, > > > > > sometimes helping people to recognize if a name is their ancestor or > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > Seems to me like I have been told you can do this over the phone > >with > > > > credit > > > > > card. > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:14 AM > > > > > Subject: [CHAHTA] Dawes info.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dusty, Can you order a packet over the phone and pay with a credit > > > card? > > > > > > I have a name, age, census number, and roll number. Is there any > >more > > > > > info. > > > > > > on what you have? > > > > > > Fay > > > > > > Don't ever give up.!!!! > > > > > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/gedcoms/ratcliff/ > > > > > > List owner HOLDEN-L, SCHIFANO-L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > > > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the > > > quotes > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the > >quotes > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Choctaw Home Page: > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > >Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

Linda, You are sooo right. In fact, we all know, if we look at history, that's one of the problems the Indians had. Had they banned together, they could have done better. But, they were divided and easy conquering for the whites. Just thoughts and my own opinion. Take care and go safely! Tsana ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Branum <mamalin@1s.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Were all Brothers and Sisters > Hi Dusty and all, > I want to say that my brother looks full blood Indian but we are just > 1/32. I don't look a bit like and Indian but I have the same amt of blood as > he does. > I feel the amt of Indian doesn't matter. We are all brothers and sisters > just some of us have proof and others don't. > I think we should all remember TOGETHER WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL. All of > us need to unite together and stop worring about how much blood we have but > our people were all at one time full blood so who cares if you are full or > just a little. You are still my sister and brother and all are NA. > Regards, Linda Kirby Branum > > (Guynes and Sain are my Indian heritage surnames) Guynes being Choctaw and > documented and Sain Cherokee undocumented. But I feel ancestors calling from > both!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > Gemma and all: > > > > I am intrigued and challenged by your question, "Does the community still > > exist." I have pondered this question for many years and under many > > different circumstances., and would like to get some feedback from other > > listmembers. > > > > What is the state of the Indian community today..... > > Specifically, WHAT IS AN INDIAN? Is it a matter of blood quantum? > > Lifestyle? Beliefs? > > > > There can be no argument that there is definite predjudice among NA as to > > "who is Indian" and who is not. There are "skins" and there are "bloods". > > Why the separation? What does it take to be considered "Indian enough". > > Are some NAs practicing a racism they would decry in other races.? Don't > > quote me the government's definition of Indian, I'm well aware of that. > > > > I want the opinions of others on this list. > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: David and Tommie Marsters <haili65@proaxis.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > Well put, Gemma. I agree. > > > Tommie > > > > > > Gemma West wrote: > > > > > > > What has happened for many people is that they wander through life > > trying to > > > > figure out what is wrong...trying to figure out why they don't fit in. > > > > Attempts are made to mold themselves into someone else's defintions of > > good > > > > and bad. These attempts fail. Finally that person decides to look to > > their > > > > ancestors. They find themselves. They finally feel comfortable. It > is > > > > obvious to all that ancestors shape our biological characteristics. > It > > is > > > > obvious to me that ancestors shape our spirituality. The sad thing is > > that > > > > sometimes the assimilation is so thick that you can grow up around > > Indians and > > > > still not know your own spirituality. The beautiful thing is finding > > the few > > > > who have refused assimilation and are willing to share knowledge. > > > > > > > > When non-Indian people ask to be allowed into the community it causes > us > > to > > > > question ourselves. Does community still exist? What are they here > to > > get? > > > > Are we really different from them? I think the great thing about this > > reverse > > > > acculturation is that it is spurring some of us to re-embrace our own > > > > ancestors. It is removing the shame that our elders had to live with. > > This > > > > shame had no place and that is becoming clear to new generations. If > we > > can > > > > influence people to live a balanced life then that is a great thing. > > After > > > > all, our children and their children will have to live in a world > shaped > > by > > > > the parents. We can not afford to be selfish with principles of > > balance. It > > > > seems that they need these principles much more than we do. > > > > > > > > Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> wrote: > > > > "Our spirituality" is not "just an idea" and it is not something we > went > > to > > > > class and learned somewhere, or got off the internet...it is born in > us > > > > (which is obvious to those Indians who were raised surrounded by a > white > > > > society) and a non-Indian may be able to learn from us some things, > but > > they > > > > cannot "acquire" what they are not born with, and their attempts to > put > > > > themselves on an "equal footing", with Indians, so to speak, is at > best > > > > futile...and at worst, an attempt at cultural theft... > > > > B. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:59 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > I shall play devil's advocate again and expose my rear to everyone's > > > > slings > > > > > and arrows... > > > > > > > > > > What about those people who do not "want to be NA", but just think > > our > > > > > spirituality, philosophy and way of life is a good idea. I've had > > > > countless > > > > > elders tell me, "I don't care what kind of blood you have, as long > as > > it's > > > > > human". Just because an Anglo wants to practice our ways because it > > works > > > > > for them, doesn't mean they deserve to be belittled by a derogatory > > name. > > > > > Are there really that many among us that are so arrogant to do so. > > > > > > > > > > Where did we ever get the idea that that we were so exclusive? > Isn't > > that > > > > > TRUE racism? > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:45 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer, Where did the term come from? Arla > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:38 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Fay > > > > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no Indian > blood > > at > > > > all > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the > > quotes > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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They are still in the Red Cloud building. The new administration that took over, is doing the same things. The money they get their hands on, are going into their pockets or the pockets of their friends and family members. How they can do these things to their own people amazes me. Greed is a great destroyer. These people need a healing from the inside out. I'm afraid that there are very few left with the ability to stand up and be counted. They are tired and weary, their strength is depleted. About the clothes that have been thrown away, Iris told me "If you send anything to the Council House, they will go through it, keep the money and anything else they want and throw away the rest." Fay ----- Original Message ----- From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:11 PM Subject: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > IMHO, the leaders at Rosebud and Pine Ridge are responsible for the > poverty-striken condition some of their people live in. Time and time again > those leaders have been plagued with accusations of scandal, skimming of > tribal funds, etc. They steadfastly refuse to take MILLIONS of dollars > money that has been offered to them by the government. Their leaders are > willing to let their own people freeze and starve to death (and that is > happening every winter) rather than compromise with outsiders who are > offering help. > > Last year things got so bad that the tribal headquarters was taken over by a > group of protestors, including elders. who closed it down and inhabited it > for days. One woman with several children who had been trying to months to > get relief money just moved her mattresses into the receptionists office and > set up camp, saying she would live there until they could find her a place > for herself and her children to live. They kept in touch with the outside > via radio. Finally, after resorting to calling in the state police, the > tribal council agreed to meet with the protestors. > > I have, in the past, sent aid in the form of cash and clothing to a few of > the people in that area through relief agencies and individuals dedicated to > works of charity. The boxes of clothing (much of it brand new with the > tags still on) were found dumped under a bridge near Rosebud and since our > return address was written on it, the person who found it wrote and told us. > > It's up to the LEADERS of those tribes to get off their duffs and help their > own people. They have time and time again refused outside aid and must be > held responsible for their actions by their own people. They must heal > themselves internally first. IMHO > > dusty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:52 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re: THANKS TO OUR ANCESTORS > > > > I'm sorry, but according to my friend Iris with the Lakota Sioux on the > Pine > > Ridge reservation, she was helping me to gather information on a family > that > > I could help out this winter personally by going straight to them instead > of > > some organization and paying them some sort of fee. The family she found > > for me was an elderly man named Ross and his grandson Mathew. Ross and > > Mathew were in the dark and in the cold because their "guardian" had not > > paid their light bill or paid for them some butane. With all the millions > > and millions that this country owes to the Native Americans, I took a > small > > $20.00 and mailed Ross and Mathew a blanket, socks, caps, and some food. > > Now, you tell me who needs repriations? > > Fay > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 6:28 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re: THANKS TO OUR ANCESTORS > > > > > > > Those limitations on being able to do business without a legal guardian > > for > > > 1/2 or fullbloods were called "restrictions", and that law as formally > > > struck down around the turn of the century, I believe. I can't put my > > hand > > > on the exact date at the moment. > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ >

You know, as I look back on my "raising", I see that even though we were told that we were Cherokee/Choctaw, we weren't given the religous culture in detail, but we were raised to follow the general Indian beliefs. Such as: environmental protection, respect to animals, and respect of elders. I had always thought of these as general "good ethics", but the more I look at people and the older I get, I realize that these were taught to me because they were taught to my father, and his father, and his father, etc. They were a "way of life" not something that my elders really thought about, just the way they had lived and those before them had lived. Does this make sense? I'm not so good at putting this stuff down in black and white. Take care and go safely! Tsana ----- Original Message ----- From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > Dusty one of the things I see as I am out and about doing shows and talking > to people is those people who connect with their long ago indigenous > Ancestors seem to have a better grasp of taking care of community and the > Earth.It is those who can't seem to find the connection that have a problem > with hearing. Arla > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 4:10 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > The problem seems to be, with people who have no Indian blood, getting > them > > to LISTEN. The native people of this country are far more in tune with > what > > is going on re this continent than the invaders, but those who are all > into > > technology and the worship of man's knowledge rather than Gods knowledge > > seem to screw everything up and then wonder what happened to make things > go > > wrong. IMHO > > > > dusty > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 2:01 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > Those who have grown up in Indian communities but seem to have no > > knowledge > > > of their own spirituality are still aware of something inside that is > > > different, even if they don't know what it is.(Because of the thick > > > assimilation) > > > And it is my hope that more of our people will recognise that we are not > > > "second class" and that our spirituality is not just a matter of > > "beliefs", > > > and that it is not "inferior" to the spirituality any other race of > > > people...It is also my hope that those non-Indians who can learn a > better > > > way of living in balance from Indians, or whoever, will do so... > > > B. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gemma West" <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:35 PM > > > Subject: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > What has happened for many people is that they wander through life > > trying > > > to > > > > figure out what is wrong...trying to figure out why they don't fit in. > > > > Attempts are made to mold themselves into someone else's defintions of > > > good > > > > and bad. These attempts fail. Finally that person decides to look to > > > their > > > > ancestors. They find themselves. They finally feel comfortable. It > is > > > > obvious to all that ancestors shape our biological characteristics. > It > > is > > > > obvious to me that ancestors shape our spirituality. The sad thing is > > > that > > > > sometimes the assimilation is so thick that you can grow up around > > Indians > > > and > > > > still not know your own spirituality. The beautiful thing is finding > > the > > > few > > > > who have refused assimilation and are willing to share knowledge. > > > > > > > > When non-Indian people ask to be allowed into the community it causes > us > > > to > > > > question ourselves. Does community still exist? What are they here > to > > > get? > > > > Are we really different from them? I think the great thing about this > > > reverse > > > > acculturation is that it is spurring some of us to re-embrace our own > > > > ancestors. It is removing the shame that our elders had to live with. > > > This > > > > shame had no place and that is becoming clear to new generations. If > we > > > can > > > > influence people to live a balanced life then that is a great thing. > > > After > > > > all, our children and their children will have to live in a world > shaped > > > by > > > > the parents. We can not afford to be selfish with principles of > > balance. > > > It > > > > seems that they need these principles much more than we do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> wrote: > > > > "Our spirituality" is not "just an idea" and it is not something we > went > > > to > > > > class and learned somewhere, or got off the internet...it is born in > us > > > > (which is obvious to those Indians who were raised surrounded by a > white > > > > society) and a non-Indian may be able to learn from us some things, > but > > > they > > > > cannot "acquire" what they are not born with, and their attempts to > put > > > > themselves on an "equal footing", with Indians, so to speak, is at > best > > > > futile...and at worst, an attempt at cultural theft... > > > > B. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:59 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall play devil's advocate again and expose my rear to everyone's > > > > slings > > > > > and arrows... > > > > > > > > > > What about those people who do not "want to be NA", but just think > > our > > > > > spirituality, philosophy and way of life is a good idea. I've had > > > > countless > > > > > elders tell me, "I don't care what kind of blood you have, as long > as > > > it's > > > > > human". Just because an Anglo wants to practice our ways because it > > > works > > > > > for them, doesn't mean they deserve to be belittled by a derogatory > > > name. > > > > > Are there really that many among us that are so arrogant to do so. > > > > > > > > > > Where did we ever get the idea that that we were so exclusive? > Isn't > > > that > > > > > TRUE racism? > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:45 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer, Where did the term come from? Arla > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:38 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Fay > > > > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no Indian > blood > > at > > > > all > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the > > quotes > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > Choctaw Home Page: > > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at > > > > http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get free email and a permanent address at > http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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Dennis: You, too, are a font of information. Thanks. Tommie Dennis Boswell wrote: > Linda, here is an even more complete computer slang site. > > http://www.futureland.gr/comics/slang/slang.htm > > At 08:03 AM 04/07/2001 -0700, you wrote: > >Linda, take a look at > > http://www.ukans.edu/acs/docs/computing-glossary/computerslang.shtml > > > > > > > >At 09:47 AM 04/07/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >> Hi Dusty, > >> I am wondering what IMHO is. I know its like LOL and other puter slang but > >>I keep seeing this one and don't know what you mean????? > >> Thanks Dusty, > >>Linda Kirby Branum > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > >>To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > >>Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 8:13 AM > >>Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > >> > >> > >> > IMHO if you feel you have the blood, then you probably do. It's those > >>old > >> > spirits calling to you. > >> > > >> > dusty > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: Jim Morrison, Jr. <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > >> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > >> > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 12:40 AM > >> > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > >> > > >> > > >> > > Elk > >> > > What about those (ME!!) who feel that they are, ancestors were in the > >> > proper > >> > > geographical area at the right time frame, but just can not find the > >>proof > >> > > (or whatever you want to call it!!)? > >> > > Jim > >> > > > >> > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com > >> > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > >> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:38 PM > >> > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Halito Fay > >> > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no Indian blood at > >>all > >> > > > Walk in Beauty > >> > > > Elkdreamer > >> > > > > >> > > > >From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > >> > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > >> > > > >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:11:49 -0700 > >> > > > > > >> > > > >Excuse me, but, what is a twinkie? > >> > > > >Fay > >> > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >> > > > >From: Kim Collins <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> > >> > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > >> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:07 PM > >> > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Halito Elkdreamer, > >> > > > > > Well said! And so true. > >> > > > > > Kim IBSSG > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > >> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > >> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:14 AM > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Halito Gemma > >> > > > > > > I was refering to people that have no Native American blood in > >> > > them > >> > > > >at > >> > > > > > > all. But I do feel for them because they are far removed from > >> > their > >> > > > > > > ancestors here in America. Our Old ones still walk with us here. > >> > > > > > > Walk in beauty > >> > > > > > > Elkdreamer > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >From: Gemma West <gemmawest@usa.net> > >> > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >> > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >> > > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > >> > > > > > > >Date: 3 Apr 2001 10:10:11 EDT > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >Who are you referring to when you say "they" ? > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >"Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >Halito Gemma > >> > > > > > > > My personal observations give me reason to believe that they > >> > can > >> > > > >see > >> > > > > > > >that > >> > > > > > > >we have a more centered culture with the bones of our Ancestors > >> > > here > >> > > > >with > >> > > > > > > >us > >> > > > > > > >to help guide our thoughts. They are trying to achive the same > >> > > > >connect > >> > > > > > that > >> > > > > > > >we feel to our past. > >> > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > >> > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >From: Gemma West <gemmawest@usa.net> > >> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >> > > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >> > > > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] twinkies > >> > > > > > > > >Date: 2 Apr 2001 11:02:35 EDT > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >Sometimes I think the rush to investigate Indian ancestry is > >> > > rather > >> > > > > > > >amusing > >> > > > > > > > >also. After all, it has been estimated that only 7% of all > >> > > > >Americans > >> > > > > > have > >> > > > > > > > >Indian blood. On the other hand it has been estimated that > >>20% > >> > of > >> > > > > > > > >European-Americans have African blood. For some reason, > >> > however, > >> > > > >there > >> > > > > > > >has > >> > > > > > > > >been no parallel rush to claim African blood. I have to > >>wonder > >> > > why. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >"Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > >This is a good topic if anyone wants to tackle it within > >> > > > > > > >guidelines....the > >> > > > > > > > >words "twinkie" and "wannabe" and their usage by both NA's > >>and > >> > > > >whites. > >> > > > > > > > >Also, the prejudices that make these words acceptable. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >dusty > >> > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >> > > > > > > > >From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > >> > > > > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > >> > > > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 9:20 PM > >> > > > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Something so funny.... > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Was listening to AIROS (www.airos.org/) > >> > > > > > > > > > this morning and there was a comic on talking about a > >> > twinkie > >> > > > > > > >university > >> > > > > > > > >called I Wannebe U....the whole routine was hilarious....this > >> > is > >> > > a > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > >> > > > > > > > >Got a GRIPE?? 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Thanks Dusty now I know. Regards, Linda Kirby Branum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] IMHO? Dusty > "In my humble opinion" > > dusty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Linda Branum <mamalin@1s.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 9:47 AM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] IMHO? Dusty > > > > Hi Dusty, > > I am wondering what IMHO is. I know its like LOL and other puter slang > but > > I keep seeing this one and don't know what you mean????? > > Thanks Dusty, > > Linda Kirby Branum > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 8:13 AM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > IMHO if you feel you have the blood, then you probably do. It's those > > old > > > spirits calling to you. > > > > > > dusty > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Jim Morrison, Jr. <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 12:40 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > Elk > > > > What about those (ME!!) who feel that they are, ancestors were in the > > > proper > > > > geographical area at the right time frame, but just can not find the > > proof > > > > (or whatever you want to call it!!)? > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:38 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Fay > > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no Indian blood at > > all > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > >From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:11:49 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > >Excuse me, but, what is a twinkie? > > > > > >Fay > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: Kim Collins <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> > > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:07 PM > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Elkdreamer, > > > > > > > Well said! And so true. > > > > > > > Kim IBSSG > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:14 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Gemma > > > > > > > > I was refering to people that have no Native American blood > in > > > > them > > > > > >at > > > > > > > > all. But I do feel for them because they are far removed from > > > their > > > > > > > > ancestors here in America. Our Old ones still walk with us > here. > > > > > > > > Walk in beauty > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Gemma West <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > >Date: 3 Apr 2001 10:10:11 EDT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Who are you referring to when you say "they" ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Halito Gemma > > > > > > > > > My personal observations give me reason to believe that > they > > > can > > > > > >see > > > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > > >we have a more centered culture with the bones of our > Ancestors > > > > here > > > > > >with > > > > > > > > >us > > > > > > > > >to help guide our thoughts. They are trying to achive the > same > > > > > >connect > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > >we feel to our past. > > > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Gemma West <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > >Date: 2 Apr 2001 11:02:35 EDT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sometimes I think the rush to investigate Indian ancestry > is > > > > rather > > > > > > > > >amusing > > > > > > > > > >also. After all, it has been estimated that only 7% of all > > > > > >Americans > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > >Indian blood. On the other hand it has been estimated that > > 20% > > > of > > > > > > > > > >European-Americans have African blood. For some reason, > > > however, > > > > > >there > > > > > > > > >has > > > > > > > > > >been no parallel rush to claim African blood. I have to > > wonder > > > > why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >This is a good topic if anyone wants to tackle it within > > > > > > > > >guidelines....the > > > > > > > > > >words "twinkie" and "wannabe" and their usage by both NA's > > and > > > > > >whites. > > > > > > > > > >Also, the prejudices that make these words acceptable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >dusty > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > >From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > > > > > > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 9:20 PM > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Something so funny.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was listening to AIROS (www.airos.org/) > > > > > > > > > > > this morning and there was a comic on talking about a > > > twinkie > > > > > > > > >university > > > > > > > > > >called I Wannebe U....the whole routine was > hilarious....this > > > is > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > >Got a GRIPE?? 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Hate to "nit pick", but here is MY problem with the suggestion: My great great grand mother MAY have been Chickasaw Indian from Gibson County, TN. She was born 1837. My great grand mother was almost without doubt Chocataw Indian from Chambers County, AL. She was born 1856. My grand mother was suppose to have been part Cherokee Indian from Hayti, MO. She was born 1907. If any of these women are on any of the "Final Rolls" or any of their kin, I have not been able to locate them!! Which "tribe" should I claim? BTW These are all my FATHER'S grand mothers. Jim jmorsn@coastalnet.com http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Branum" <mamalin@1s.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Were all Brothers and Sisters > Hi Dusty and all, > I want to say that my brother looks full blood Indian but we are just > 1/32. I don't look a bit like and Indian but I have the same amt of blood as > he does. > I feel the amt of Indian doesn't matter. We are all brothers and sisters > just some of us have proof and others don't. > I think we should all remember TOGETHER WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL. All of > us need to unite together and stop worring about how much blood we have but > our people were all at one time full blood so who cares if you are full or > just a little. You are still my sister and brother and all are NA. > Regards, Linda Kirby Branum > > (Guynes and Sain are my Indian heritage surnames) Guynes being Choctaw and > documented and Sain Cherokee undocumented. But I feel ancestors calling from > both!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > Gemma and all: > > > > I am intrigued and challenged by your question, "Does the community still > > exist." I have pondered this question for many years and under many > > different circumstances., and would like to get some feedback from other > > listmembers. > > > > What is the state of the Indian community today..... > > Specifically, WHAT IS AN INDIAN? Is it a matter of blood quantum? > > Lifestyle? Beliefs? > > > > There can be no argument that there is definite predjudice among NA as to > > "who is Indian" and who is not. There are "skins" and there are "bloods". > > Why the separation? What does it take to be considered "Indian enough". > > Are some NAs practicing a racism they would decry in other races.? Don't > > quote me the government's definition of Indian, I'm well aware of that. > > > > I want the opinions of others on this list. > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: David and Tommie Marsters <haili65@proaxis.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > Well put, Gemma. I agree. > > > Tommie > > > > > > Gemma West wrote: > > > > > > > What has happened for many people is that they wander through life > > trying to > > > > figure out what is wrong...trying to figure out why they don't fit in. > > > > Attempts are made to mold themselves into someone else's defintions of > > good > > > > and bad. These attempts fail. Finally that person decides to look to > > their > > > > ancestors. They find themselves. They finally feel comfortable. It > is > > > > obvious to all that ancestors shape our biological characteristics. > It > > is > > > > obvious to me that ancestors shape our spirituality. The sad thing is > > that > > > > sometimes the assimilation is so thick that you can grow up around > > Indians and > > > > still not know your own spirituality. The beautiful thing is finding > > the few > > > > who have refused assimilation and are willing to share knowledge. > > > > > > > > When non-Indian people ask to be allowed into the community it causes > us > > to > > > > question ourselves. Does community still exist? What are they here > to > > get? > > > > Are we really different from them? I think the great thing about this > > reverse > > > > acculturation is that it is spurring some of us to re-embrace our own > > > > ancestors. It is removing the shame that our elders had to live with. > > This > > > > shame had no place and that is becoming clear to new generations. If > we > > can > > > > influence people to live a balanced life then that is a great thing. > > After > > > > all, our children and their children will have to live in a world > shaped > > by > > > > the parents. We can not afford to be selfish with principles of > > balance. It > > > > seems that they need these principles much more than we do. > > > > > > > > Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> wrote: > > > > "Our spirituality" is not "just an idea" and it is not something we > went > > to > > > > class and learned somewhere, or got off the internet...it is born in > us > > > > (which is obvious to those Indians who were raised surrounded by a > white > > > > society) and a non-Indian may be able to learn from us some things, > but > > they > > > > cannot "acquire" what they are not born with, and their attempts to > put > > > > themselves on an "equal footing", with Indians, so to speak, is at > best > > > > futile...and at worst, an attempt at cultural theft... > > > > B. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:59 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > I shall play devil's advocate again and expose my rear to everyone's > > > > slings > > > > > and arrows... > > > > > > > > > > What about those people who do not "want to be NA", but just think > > our > > > > > spirituality, philosophy and way of life is a good idea. I've had > > > > countless > > > > > elders tell me, "I don't care what kind of blood you have, as long > as > > it's > > > > > human". Just because an Anglo wants to practice our ways because it > > works > > > > > for them, doesn't mean they deserve to be belittled by a derogatory > > name. > > > > > Are there really that many among us that are so arrogant to do so. > > > > > > > > > > Where did we ever get the idea that that we were so exclusive? > Isn't > > that > > > > > TRUE racism? > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:45 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer, Where did the term come from? Arla > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:38 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Fay > > > > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no Indian > blood > > at > > > > all > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the > > quotes > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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