I buy Witch Hazel at Wal-Mart sometimes and it is at drug stores. I usually buy my Essential Oils froma fried who has a shop. Any good herb shop should have them and there are tons of places on the net. I usually get the NOW brand as it is a little cheaper and still good quality. Arla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > Arla: > > Do you order your essential oils from somewhere? Is witch-hazel available > at the drug stores? > > dusty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:07 AM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > Kim, I make my own insect spray from essential oils, witch hazel and > > skin-so-soft. > > It is really easy. I take about 6 oz. of witch hazel and add about 2 > > Tbs. of skin-so -soft, > > about 10 drops of orange essential oil. you can also add Sage Oil to it if > > you want. I put this in a spray bottle nand spritz it on me when I am out > > working. It even keeps sweat bees away. > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

Another question: Should I have the doors and windows open or closed during the smudging? Or does it even matter? Shelley

Byeeeee Have a wonderful trip and a safe one. Regards, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:13 AM Subject: [CHAHTA] LEAVING TOWN > I'm leaving in a few minutes to go to Miss. Will be back Wednesday evening. > You guys hold down the fort. > > dusty > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com >

I'm leaving in a few minutes to go to Miss. Will be back Wednesday evening. You guys hold down the fort. dusty

Well..the stuff is good... B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Collins" <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > Good ideas! I think your Vicks idea got some one else's attention. > Kim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Ellison" <greybird7@pisp.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:24 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > Build a fire with some dry cedar and pine knots...the smoke helps keep > > skeeters away...or you can try putting vinegar on your clothes...I have > done > > that to keep the biting flies and skeeters off when I was mowing...or > > there's the good old Vicks Salve you can smear around...I use that to keep > > wasps from building nests right over my doorway and ants out of hummer > > feeders...they really don't like the menthol... > > B. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kim Collins" <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:11 PM > > Subject: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > > > > Off topic but a serious question. > > > Does any one have an idea of how to repel or do away with what we call > > buffalo or bull gnats? > > > They are so bad here that I could not even go out to water my garden > > tonight. I needed both hands to try and ward the swarming little buggers > > off. Went inside, found the Deep Woods Off and sprayed away all over me. > > Back outside and the same thing. > > > Any one with ideas can reply off list if necessary to > > 2buckets@arbuckleonline.com > > > Thanks, > > > Kim Collins > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

Omi Omi Omi Omi :) B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juli Kearns" <jmme@mindspring.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 3:01 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you! I think you can > guess why. > > Juli > > > At 11:24 PM 4/9/01 -0500, you wrote: > ><snip> or > >there's the good old Vicks Salve you can smear around...I use that to keep > >wasps from building nests right over my doorway <snip> > >B. > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

Arla: Do you order your essential oils from somewhere? Is witch-hazel available at the drug stores? dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > Kim, I make my own insect spray from essential oils, witch hazel and > skin-so-soft. > It is really easy. I take about 6 oz. of witch hazel and add about 2 > Tbs. of skin-so -soft, > about 10 drops of orange essential oil. you can also add Sage Oil to it if > you want. I put this in a spray bottle nand spritz it on me when I am out > working. It even keeps sweat bees away.

Right - and since we don't have the traditional deser-type sage down here where I am, I am told the "Choctaw sage" we have discussed before was used. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Smudging > A short note on smudging. Indigenous People used what was in their area. > Arla > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:59 AM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Smudging > > > > I don't know where you live, but cedar (or juniper) if a common landscape > > plant. Look for pictures in plant books at your library. > > > > dusty > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Choctaw <choctaw@bscn.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Smudging > > > > > > > Yakoke Elk! > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. >

A short note on smudging. Indigenous People used what was in their area. Arla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Smudging > I don't know where you live, but cedar (or juniper) if a common landscape > plant. Look for pictures in plant books at your library. > > dusty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Choctaw <choctaw@bscn.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:18 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Smudging > > > > Yakoke Elk!

When they were making the movie "Steel Magnolias" in our area, Darrell Hannah and Shirley McLaine ordered several cases of Skin-So-Soft (Avon) as it keeps off mosquitoes and bugs, smells good and isn't greasy. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > Kim, I make my own insect spray from essential oils, witch hazel and > skin-so-soft. > It is really easy. I take about 6 oz. of witch hazel and add about 2 > Tbs. of skin-so -soft, > about 10 drops of orange essential oil. you can also add Sage Oil to it if > you want. I put this in a spray bottle nand spritz it on me when I am out > working. It even keeps sweat bees away. > Arla > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Collins" <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 6:54 AM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > Shelley, I'm talking the ones that bite and leave whelps. > > Got bit near my eye last year and it was swollen shut within an hour. > > Kim > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Choctaw" <choctaw@bscn.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > > > > Kim, > > > What I know of "Buffalo gnats", you aren't talking about the little > > > brown pesky gnats. These bite and leave a big whelp or sore. And the > bite > > > hurts! But Dad had them last year at his place in OK and I can check > and > > > see what if anything they might know about keeping them off of you. His > > > wife is very "organic" and they do not use any sprays or pesticides of > any > > > kind. I'll see what I can find out for you. > > > Shelley > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the > > list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > > CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. >

I've also seen reproductions of open-dwelling with just a raised floor and a thatched roof. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:06 AM Subject: RE: [CHAHTA] Mississippi Choctaw Dwellings > Yakoke, Sean. BTW, among Choctaw families who had both summer and winter > cabins, was it the case that the two cabins would be in the same locale, or > in different geographic areas similar to those today who have a winter home > in Arizona and a summer home in a cooler locale? > > Your description of their different heating and cooling characteristics, > together with the limited geography occupied by the Choctaw, suggests to me > that a family may have built both types of "log cabin" next to each other? > > During what time frame do you understand this practice of having seasonal > homes started? > > > At 07:11 AM 04/10/2001 -0500, Sean P. S. George wrote: > >A couple of minor additions to Dusty's comments that I hope will also be > >useful... > > > >The main distinction between the Choctaw (and other indigenous southeastern > >tribes') dwellings and the colonial style "log cabins" most people know, is > >that the Choctaw didn't stack the logs on top of each other horizontally. > > Instead they stood them up vertically, with the bottom ends sunk into the > >ground. > > > >Also, it was not uncommon for them to have separate dwellings for different > >seasons. Summer cabins were larger, rectangular, with open-ended gables > >for ventilation, while winter cabins were smaller and circular to retain > >more heat. > > > >Finally, in swampy areas the palmetto hut was widely used as well. The > >frame was built from sturdy poles, and the palmetto fronds were tied to the > >frame in overlapping "shingle" fashion. > > > >An interesting sidenote is that when the people who had been used to > >building with palmetto started using cut lumber in the late 1800's and > >early 1900's, the would apparently fasten several shingles together into a > >palmetto-like arrangement before attaching it to the house frame. > > > >Most of the above info can be found in Swanton's books: "Indians of the > >Southeastern U.S." and "Source Material for the Social and Ceremonial Life > >of the Choctaw". There's a great picture of the palmetto hut, and I know a > >Houma guy who still knows how to build them the old way. > > > > > >--Sean > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Dusty [SMTP:dustyc@microgear.net] > >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 7:20 PM > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Mississippi Choctaw Dwellings > > > >Dennis: > >The type of dwelling used down here on the Gulf Coast was called "wattle > >and > >daub", and was a combination of poles used to support the structure with > >interwoven sticks, twigs or branches used for the walls. Native clay used > >as mortar to hold the sticks together. Dwellings of this nature were still > >in use on occasion at the turn of the century, later evolving into the "log > >cabin" type structure seen more recently. > > > >In the extreme southern, swampy parts of La. and Miss., there is still in > >use today a structure similar to a small log cabin which is built on a raft > >made of cypress or pine logs lashed together. When the rains come in the > >spring and the Mississippi river rises causing flooding throughout the > >Atchafalaya Basin swamplands, these dwellings float up with the high > >water. > >They are still referred to by the Cajun people as "Choctaws", and are > >sometimes used as temporary hunting lodges. > > > >dusty > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 3:47 PM > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Mississippi Choctaw Dwellings > > > > > > > Halito, CHAHTA-L subscribers, > > > > > > This message concerns pre-removal Choctaw, not those living in IT > >following > > > removal. I make this distinction because my question (below) concerns > >only > > > those Choctaw living in Mississippi prior to and during removal. > > > > > > I understand they lived in log cabins resembling a Hogan (similar to > >those > > > used by Navajos with a hole in the roof to allow smoke to escape). An > > > example of a Hogan may be seen at, > > > > > > http://www.m-w.com/mw/art/hogan.htm > > > > > > In established villages, I have no doubt their dwellings resembled the > > > Hogan. However, there is a possibility that when they traveled to the > > > flood plains of the Yazoo and Mississippi Delta on hunting trips (as was > > > the custom in the fall after the harvest season), they may have used a > >more > > > transportable dwelling structure such as a tepee, a picture of which may > >be > > > seen at, > > > > > > http://www.m-w.com/mw/art/tepee.htm > > > > > > ... or a wigwam (similar to those used by ANs in the Great Lakes > >region).a > > > picture of which may be seen at, > > > > > > http://www.m-w.com/mw/art/wigwam.htm > > > > > > I have seen nothing that claims they ever used tepee- or wigwam-like > > > dwellings, even while traveling overland. In fact, it seems likely that > > > during overland travel and after arriving at their remote destination, > >they > > > may not have used any form of dwelling - portable or otherwise unless it > > > was built on the spot out of materials on hand at the location. One > >reason > > > they may not have taken their dwellings with them is the fact that > >Choctaws > > > hunted west of the Mississippi before removal. Crossing the Mississippi > > > while transporting any form of portable dwelling would make the crossing > > > task that much more difficult. > > > > > > Does anyone on the list have an opinion or know of a reference concerning > > > the use of dwellings, portable or otherwise, during extended periods of > > > travel away from the village? > > > > > > NOTE: (to myself) Might Choctaw use of Hogan-like structures indicate an > > > original west to east migration path that took Choctaw's ancestors > >through > > > Navajo lands en-route to Mississippi? > > > > > > Yakoke, > > > > > > Dennis K. Boswell > > > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > > > Folsom, CA 95630 > > > > > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > > > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > >______________________________ > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > >Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at > >http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > > > Regards, > > Dennis K. Boswell > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > Folsom, CA 95630 > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com >

Kim, I make my own insect spray from essential oils, witch hazel and skin-so-soft. It is really easy. I take about 6 oz. of witch hazel and add about 2 Tbs. of skin-so -soft, about 10 drops of orange essential oil. you can also add Sage Oil to it if you want. I put this in a spray bottle nand spritz it on me when I am out working. It even keeps sweat bees away. Arla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Collins" <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > Shelley, I'm talking the ones that bite and leave whelps. > Got bit near my eye last year and it was swollen shut within an hour. > Kim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Choctaw" <choctaw@bscn.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:21 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > Kim, > > What I know of "Buffalo gnats", you aren't talking about the little > > brown pesky gnats. These bite and leave a big whelp or sore. And the bite > > hurts! But Dad had them last year at his place in OK and I can check and > > see what if anything they might know about keeping them off of you. His > > wife is very "organic" and they do not use any sprays or pesticides of any > > kind. I'll see what I can find out for you. > > Shelley > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the > list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

I don't know where you live, but cedar (or juniper) if a common landscape plant. Look for pictures in plant books at your library. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: Choctaw <choctaw@bscn.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Smudging > Yakoke Elk! > I appreciate all the help everyone has offered. I knew it didn't HAVE to > be done a "specific" way, but I just wasn't sure about doing the whole > house..well, unless I built a fire in the livingroom, but I doubt the family > would like that in our new house :). > > I have on hand some sweetgrass and some sage, I always have tobacco > (although cigs are getting expensive to tear up) but where do I get juniper? > > Yakoke chito > Shelley > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. >

Don't wear any perfume. I have found that attracts lots of bugs to. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Collins" <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > Good ideas! I think your Vicks idea got some one else's attention. > Kim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Ellison" <greybird7@pisp.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:24 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > Build a fire with some dry cedar and pine knots...the smoke helps keep > > skeeters away...or you can try putting vinegar on your clothes...I have > done > > that to keep the biting flies and skeeters off when I was mowing...or > > there's the good old Vicks Salve you can smear around...I use that to keep > > wasps from building nests right over my doorway and ants out of hummer > > feeders...they really don't like the menthol... > > B. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kim Collins" <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:11 PM > > Subject: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > > > > Off topic but a serious question. > > > Does any one have an idea of how to repel or do away with what we call > > buffalo or bull gnats? > > > They are so bad here that I could not even go out to water my garden > > tonight. I needed both hands to try and ward the swarming little buggers > > off. Went inside, found the Deep Woods Off and sprayed away all over me. > > Back outside and the same thing. > > > Any one with ideas can reply off list if necessary to > > 2buckets@arbuckleonline.com > > > Thanks, > > > Kim Collins > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

I am not inviting trouble with what I am going to say (I hope!!!). The list manager, Dusty, has not told me to cease. I have written Dusty IN PUBLIC telling that I would STOP if I was causing any trouble and was told I was doing nothing wrong!! I am not getting into a "Mud Slinging" thing on this or any other board. Regardless of who you say you are, what you say you are unless I KNOW YOU, I don't know for sure!! You maybe an elderly woman, a young girl or even a MALE!!! Jim jmorsn@coastalnet.com http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > Now Jim > That was not a nice thing to say to someone. Remember everyone see's > thing's differently, that is the beauty of being Human. The difference's of > opinion and the decussion about it is what makes this Circle work. > Disagreement is alright, but with respect for each other. > Walk in Beauty > Elkdreamer > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 02:38:06 -0400 > > > >Don't worry. It is obvious that you do not concern yourself with > >intelligence. > >Jim > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Gemma West" <gemmawest@usa.net> > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 3:09 PM > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > > > > > > It should be clear to you that I don't concern myself with Webster's > > > definition of intelligence. If not then let me assure you of this fact. > > > > > > Frankly your whole demeanor on this list reeks of disrespect or > >playground > > > taunting. Your referral to people not choosing to name themselves afer > > > dolphins is just another in a long line of examples. But, of course, I > >may be > > > completely wrong. If you do indeed have Indian ancestors I hope that > >their > > > spirits prevail on you to change. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Gemma > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

Halito Fay, from http://www.atmos.anl.gov/ABLE/ableorient.html although it is not a natural substance, following is another solution, "Gnats/Mosquitoes a. Gnats - Although most gnats are not bothersome, Kansas has a gnat (Buffalo Gnat) that bites much like a mosquito. To repel these gnats it is recommended to use Avon Skin So Soft or vanilla extract." At 11:18 PM 04/09/2001 -0700, you wrote: >No, but I read that the Indians used leaves of Hickory tree to repel fleas. >Fay >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kim Collins <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:11 PM >Subject: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > Off topic but a serious question. > > Does any one have an idea of how to repel or do away with what we call >buffalo or bull gnats? > > They are so bad here that I could not even go out to water my garden >tonight. I needed both hands to try and ward the swarming little buggers >off. Went inside, found the Deep Woods Off and sprayed away all over me. >Back outside and the same thing. > > Any one with ideas can reply off list if necessary to >2buckets@arbuckleonline.com > > Thanks, > > Kim Collins > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at >http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. Regards, Dennis K. Boswell 301 Crow Canyon Drive Folsom, CA 95630 Tel: (916) 987-3599 Fax: (916) 987-3555

Hi Linda I have Mary Elizabeth KIRBY (born 16 Nov 1843 Meriwether County, GA and died 22 Mar 1936) that married Elias Milton WILLIAMS (born 19 May 1840 Whitesville, Harris, GA and died 14 Aug 1925 Wetumpka, Elmore, AL) on 12 Jan 1860 in Nixburg, Coosa, AL. Any connection? Jim jmorsn@coastalnet.com http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Branum" <mamalin@1s.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Indian Heritage > Hi Jim, > My Kirby comes from my Dad's side. His Mother was Choctaw and a Guynes > Living in Atoka Co. , Okla when she was enrolled. Dad was born in 1924 in > Clarita, Okla. > Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:15 AM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Indian Heritage > > > > Well then I should be concern only with the latest couple? That would be > my > > grand mother who was suppose to be part Cherokee Indian. She was a > CHISHOLM > > from Hayti, MO. > > > > The one I thought was the best canidate though was my great grand mother. > I > > thought for sure she was Choctaw Indian. She was a SHEPPERD from Wetumka, > > AL. Her grand father was Uriah WILLIAMS. > > > > Linda, where does KIRBY come into your name? I have a WILLIAMS that was > > married to a KIRBY. > > Jim > > > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Linda Branum" <mamalin@1s.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 1:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Indian Heritage > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > I do know that in some of the papers I have on my family members. We > are > > > Choctaw but my Great Uncle William Guynes married a Chickasaw woman and > > > their children are listed in the Chickasaw rolls. > > > If I am wrong please someone correct me. William is listed as 1/2 > > Choctaw > > > and Margaret James Guynes is listed as 3/4 Chickasaw. Its my > understanding > > > that the greater Indian blood line would be who the children are listed > > > with. I have also heard that the children were listed with the mothers > > side > > > too. > > > I think that is why there is such a problem with the black ancestors > who > > > had Indian fathers. They were listed with their mother who was black and > > > can't claim their Indian rights. Does anyone know the law about this. If > I > > > stand corrected please feel free to correct me. > > > I think this is wrong to not let them have their Indian Heritage but > so > > > many things were wrong back then. > > > Linda Kirby Branum > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 4:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Were all Brothers and Sisters > > > > > > > > > > Hate to "nit pick", but here is MY problem with the suggestion: > > > > My great great grand mother MAY have been Chickasaw Indian from Gibson > > > > County, TN. She was born 1837. > > > > My great grand mother was almost without doubt Chocataw Indian from > > > Chambers > > > > County, AL. She was born 1856. > > > > My grand mother was suppose to have been part Cherokee Indian from > > Hayti, > > > > MO. She was born 1907. > > > > > > > > If any of these women are on any of the "Final Rolls" or any of their > > kin, > > > I > > > > have not been able to locate them!! Which "tribe" should I claim? > > > > BTW > > > > These are all my FATHER'S grand mothers. > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Linda Branum" <mamalin@1s.net> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 11:11 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Were all Brothers and Sisters > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dusty and all, > > > > > I want to say that my brother looks full blood Indian but we are > > just > > > > > 1/32. I don't look a bit like and Indian but I have the same amt of > > > blood > > > > as > > > > > he does. > > > > > I feel the amt of Indian doesn't matter. We are all brothers and > > > sisters > > > > > just some of us have proof and others don't. > > > > > I think we should all remember TOGETHER WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL. > > All > > > of > > > > > us need to unite together and stop worring about how much blood we > > have > > > > but > > > > > our people were all at one time full blood so who cares if you are > > full > > > or > > > > > just a little. You are still my sister and brother and all are NA. > > > > > Regards, Linda Kirby Branum > > > > > > > > > > (Guynes and Sain are my Indian heritage surnames) Guynes being > > Choctaw > > > > and > > > > > documented and Sain Cherokee undocumented. But I feel ancestors > > calling > > > > from > > > > > both!! > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:29 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gemma and all: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am intrigued and challenged by your question, "Does the > community > > > > still > > > > > > exist." I have pondered this question for many years and under > many > > > > > > different circumstances., and would like to get some feedback from > > > other > > > > > > listmembers. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the state of the Indian community today..... > > > > > > Specifically, WHAT IS AN INDIAN? Is it a matter of blood quantum? > > > > > > Lifestyle? Beliefs? > > > > > > > > > > > > There can be no argument that there is definite predjudice among > NA > > as > > > > to > > > > > > "who is Indian" and who is not. There are "skins" and there are > > > > "bloods". > > > > > > Why the separation? What does it take to be considered "Indian > > > enough". > > > > > > Are some NAs practicing a racism they would decry in other races.? > > > > Don't > > > > > > quote me the government's definition of Indian, I'm well aware of > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > I want the opinions of others on this list. > > > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: David and Tommie Marsters <haili65@proaxis.com> > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:30 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well put, Gemma. I agree. > > > > > > > Tommie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gemma West wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What has happened for many people is that they wander through > > life > > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > > figure out what is wrong...trying to figure out why they don't > > fit > > > > in. > > > > > > > > Attempts are made to mold themselves into someone else's > > > defintions > > > > of > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > and bad. These attempts fail. Finally that person decides to > > > look > > > > to > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > ancestors. They find themselves. They finally feel > > comfortable. > > > > It > > > > > is > > > > > > > > obvious to all that ancestors shape our biological > > > characteristics. > > > > > It > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > obvious to me that ancestors shape our spirituality. The sad > > > thing > > > > is > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > sometimes the assimilation is so thick that you can grow up > > around > > > > > > Indians and > > > > > > > > still not know your own spirituality. The beautiful thing is > > > > finding > > > > > > the few > > > > > > > > who have refused assimilation and are willing to share > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When non-Indian people ask to be allowed into the community it > > > > causes > > > > > us > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > question ourselves. Does community still exist? What are > they > > > here > > > > > to > > > > > > get? > > > > > > > > Are we really different from them? I think the great thing > about > > > > this > > > > > > reverse > > > > > > > > acculturation is that it is spurring some of us to re-embrace > > our > > > > own > > > > > > > > ancestors. It is removing the shame that our elders had to > live > > > > with. > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > shame had no place and that is becoming clear to new > > generations. > > > > If > > > > > we > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > influence people to live a balanced life then that is a great > > > thing. > > > > > > After > > > > > > > > all, our children and their children will have to live in a > > world > > > > > shaped > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > the parents. We can not afford to be selfish with principles > of > > > > > > balance. It > > > > > > > > seems that they need these principles much more than we do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > "Our spirituality" is not "just an idea" and it is not > something > > > we > > > > > went > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > class and learned somewhere, or got off the internet...it is > > born > > > in > > > > > us > > > > > > > > (which is obvious to those Indians who were raised surrounded > by > > a > > > > > white > > > > > > > > society) and a non-Indian may be able to learn from us some > > > things, > > > > > but > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > cannot "acquire" what they are not born with, and their > attempts > > > to > > > > > put > > > > > > > > themselves on an "equal footing", with Indians, so to speak, > is > > at > > > > > best > > > > > > > > futile...and at worst, an attempt at cultural theft... > > > > > > > > B. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:59 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall play devil's advocate again and expose my rear to > > > > everyone's > > > > > > > > slings > > > > > > > > > and arrows... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about those people who do not "want to be NA", but just > > > think > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > spirituality, philosophy and way of life is a good idea. > I've > > > had > > > > > > > > countless > > > > > > > > > elders tell me, "I don't care what kind of blood you have, > as > > > long > > > > > as > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > human". Just because an Anglo wants to practice our ways > > > because > > > > it > > > > > > works > > > > > > > > > for them, doesn't mean they deserve to be belittled by a > > > > derogatory > > > > > > name. > > > > > > > > > Are there really that many among us that are so arrogant to > do > > > so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did we ever get the idea that that we were so > exclusive? > > > > > Isn't > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > TRUE racism? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:45 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer, Where did the term come from? Arla > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Fay > > > > > > > > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no > > Indian > > > > > blood > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... 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Hi Linda Thank you, ma'am! Jim jmorsn@coastalnet.com http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Branum" <mamalin@1s.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 8:05 AM Subject: Re: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > Hi Jim, > Some people don't and if told my children and I will respect your wishes. > Regards, Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:29 AM > Subject: Re: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > It all goes back to how you were raised and the degree of respect you were > > taught!! My father was in the military so I was raised to show respect for > > others, my elders and those of authority. Whether they deserved it or > not!!! > > > > Me? I dispise being called "Sir"!! > > Jim > > > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Juli Kearns" <jmme@mindspring.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 2:49 PM > > Subject: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > "Good manners" are not necessarily "good manners" in another. I grew up > > in > > > the northwest and had never heard "Yes maam" and "No maam", "Yes sir" > and > > > "No sir". Not even when visiting relatives in the midwest had I heard > > > this. We moved to Ga when I was 10 and when I would say "Yes" to a > > > teacher, they would respond, "Yes, what?" And I would say, "No?" And > they > > > would say, "No, what?" I was without a clue and completely confused. > > What > > > in the world did they want me to say? When I was finally informed what > > was > > > going on, I considered it particularly rigorous, unsympathetic, and > > > ignorant on the part of these adults to not understand that regional > > > customs may just be that, regional. Indeed, in the situations in which > I > > > had grown up, the use of "Yes maam" etc. would have been suggestive to > the > > > ears of both pandering and subjugation. A simple yes or no was enough. > > > > > > What makes good manners is the spirit in which another individual is > > treated. > > > > > > Juli > > > > > > > > > At 01:06 PM 4/8/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > >I don't know if good manners are Indian ways or southern ways, but I > > raised > > > >my children up to say yes mam and no sir, etc. One of mine came home > > from > > > >school one day and said to me "what". I asked her if I needed to wash > > out > > > >her mouth or her ears and asked did she speak to her teachers that way > to > > > >which she responded, "Ms. Jones doesn't want me to call her Mam" to > which > > I > > > >said "Ms Jones can have no manners if she wishes but that option is not > > open > > > >to you, you will call anyone that is 20 years older than you mam or > > sir." > > > >Fay > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Need more CHOCTAW information. Visit Rusty Lang's pages at > > http://www.choctaw-web.com for articles, censuses, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

A couple of minor additions to Dusty's comments that I hope will also be useful... The main distinction between the Choctaw (and other indigenous southeastern tribes') dwellings and the colonial style "log cabins" most people know, is that the Choctaw didn't stack the logs on top of each other horizontally. Instead they stood them up vertically, with the bottom ends sunk into the ground. Also, it was not uncommon for them to have separate dwellings for different seasons. Summer cabins were larger, rectangular, with open-ended gables for ventilation, while winter cabins were smaller and circular to retain more heat. Finally, in swampy areas the palmetto hut was widely used as well. The frame was built from sturdy poles, and the palmetto fronds were tied to the frame in overlapping "shingle" fashion. An interesting sidenote is that when the people who had been used to building with palmetto started using cut lumber in the late 1800's and early 1900's, the would apparently fasten several shingles together into a palmetto-like arrangement before attaching it to the house frame. Most of the above info can be found in Swanton's books: "Indians of the Southeastern U.S." and "Source Material for the Social and Ceremonial Life of the Choctaw". There's a great picture of the palmetto hut, and I know a Houma guy who still knows how to build them the old way. --Sean -----Original Message----- From: Dusty [SMTP:dustyc@microgear.net] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 7:20 PM To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Mississippi Choctaw Dwellings Dennis: The type of dwelling used down here on the Gulf Coast was called "wattle and daub", and was a combination of poles used to support the structure with interwoven sticks, twigs or branches used for the walls. Native clay used as mortar to hold the sticks together. Dwellings of this nature were still in use on occasion at the turn of the century, later evolving into the "log cabin" type structure seen more recently. In the extreme southern, swampy parts of La. and Miss., there is still in use today a structure similar to a small log cabin which is built on a raft made of cypress or pine logs lashed together. When the rains come in the spring and the Mississippi river rises causing flooding throughout the Atchafalaya Basin swamplands, these dwellings float up with the high water. They are still referred to by the Cajun people as "Choctaws", and are sometimes used as temporary hunting lodges. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 3:47 PM Subject: [CHAHTA] Mississippi Choctaw Dwellings > Halito, CHAHTA-L subscribers, > > This message concerns pre-removal Choctaw, not those living in IT following > removal. I make this distinction because my question (below) concerns only > those Choctaw living in Mississippi prior to and during removal. > > I understand they lived in log cabins resembling a Hogan (similar to those > used by Navajos with a hole in the roof to allow smoke to escape). An > example of a Hogan may be seen at, > > http://www.m-w.com/mw/art/hogan.htm > > In established villages, I have no doubt their dwellings resembled the > Hogan. However, there is a possibility that when they traveled to the > flood plains of the Yazoo and Mississippi Delta on hunting trips (as was > the custom in the fall after the harvest season), they may have used a more > transportable dwelling structure such as a tepee, a picture of which may be > seen at, > > http://www.m-w.com/mw/art/tepee.htm > > ... or a wigwam (similar to those used by ANs in the Great Lakes region).a > picture of which may be seen at, > > http://www.m-w.com/mw/art/wigwam.htm > > I have seen nothing that claims they ever used tepee- or wigwam-like > dwellings, even while traveling overland. In fact, it seems likely that > during overland travel and after arriving at their remote destination, they > may not have used any form of dwelling - portable or otherwise unless it > was built on the spot out of materials on hand at the location. One reason > they may not have taken their dwellings with them is the fact that Choctaws > hunted west of the Mississippi before removal. Crossing the Mississippi > while transporting any form of portable dwelling would make the crossing > task that much more difficult. > > Does anyone on the list have an opinion or know of a reference concerning > the use of dwellings, portable or otherwise, during extended periods of > travel away from the village? > > NOTE: (to myself) Might Choctaw use of Hogan-like structures indicate an > original west to east migration path that took Choctaw's ancestors through > Navajo lands en-route to Mississippi? > > Yakoke, > > Dennis K. Boswell > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > Folsom, CA 95630 > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... 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Any thing is worth a try at this point. Going outside after work is an ordeal now. Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "faynshep" <faynshep@telapex.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > No, but I read that the Indians used leaves of Hickory tree to repel fleas. > Fay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kim Collins <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:11 PM > Subject: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > Off topic but a serious question. > > Does any one have an idea of how to repel or do away with what we call > buffalo or bull gnats? > > They are so bad here that I could not even go out to water my garden > tonight. I needed both hands to try and ward the swarming little buggers > off. Went inside, found the Deep Woods Off and sprayed away all over me. > Back outside and the same thing. > > Any one with ideas can reply off list if necessary to > 2buckets@arbuckleonline.com > > Thanks, > > Kim Collins > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > >