This sounds like the "chickee" that the Seminole and other Florida tribes used, but I've never seen reference to this type of dwelling being used among the Choctaw. -----Original Message----- From: Dusty [SMTP:dustyc@microgear.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:18 AM To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Mississippi Choctaw Dwellings I've also seen reproductions of open-dwelling with just a raised floor and a thatched roof. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:06 AM Subject: RE: [CHAHTA] Mississippi Choctaw Dwellings > Yakoke, Sean. BTW, among Choctaw families who had both summer and winter > cabins, was it the case that the two cabins would be in the same locale, or > in different geographic areas similar to those today who have a winter home > in Arizona and a summer home in a cooler locale? > > Your description of their different heating and cooling characteristics, > together with the limited geography occupied by the Choctaw, suggests to me > that a family may have built both types of "log cabin" next to each other? > > During what time frame do you understand this practice of having seasonal > homes started? > > > At 07:11 AM 04/10/2001 -0500, Sean P. S. George wrote: > >A couple of minor additions to Dusty's comments that I hope will also be > >useful... > > > >The main distinction between the Choctaw (and other indigenous southeastern > >tribes') dwellings and the colonial style "log cabins" most people know, is > >that the Choctaw didn't stack the logs on top of each other horizontally. > > Instead they stood them up vertically, with the bottom ends sunk into the > >ground. > > > >Also, it was not uncommon for them to have separate dwellings for different > >seasons. Summer cabins were larger, rectangular, with open-ended gables > >for ventilation, while winter cabins were smaller and circular to retain > >more heat. > > > >Finally, in swampy areas the palmetto hut was widely used as well. The > >frame was built from sturdy poles, and the palmetto fronds were tied to the > >frame in overlapping "shingle" fashion. > > > >An interesting sidenote is that when the people who had been used to > >building with palmetto started using cut lumber in the late 1800's and > >early 1900's, the would apparently fasten several shingles together into a > >palmetto-like arrangement before attaching it to the house frame. > > > >Most of the above info can be found in Swanton's books: "Indians of the > >Southeastern U.S." and "Source Material for the Social and Ceremonial Life > >of the Choctaw". There's a great picture of the palmetto hut, and I know a > >Houma guy who still knows how to build them the old way. > > > > > >--Sean > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Dusty [SMTP:dustyc@microgear.net] > >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 7:20 PM > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Mississippi Choctaw Dwellings > > > >Dennis: > >The type of dwelling used down here on the Gulf Coast was called "wattle > >and > >daub", and was a combination of poles used to support the structure with > >interwoven sticks, twigs or branches used for the walls. Native clay used > >as mortar to hold the sticks together. Dwellings of this nature were still > >in use on occasion at the turn of the century, later evolving into the "log > >cabin" type structure seen more recently. > > > >In the extreme southern, swampy parts of La. and Miss., there is still in > >use today a structure similar to a small log cabin which is built on a raft > >made of cypress or pine logs lashed together. When the rains come in the > >spring and the Mississippi river rises causing flooding throughout the > >Atchafalaya Basin swamplands, these dwellings float up with the high > >water. > >They are still referred to by the Cajun people as "Choctaws", and are > >sometimes used as temporary hunting lodges. > > > >dusty > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 3:47 PM > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Mississippi Choctaw Dwellings > > > > > > > Halito, CHAHTA-L subscribers, > > > > > > This message concerns pre-removal Choctaw, not those living in IT > >following > > > removal. I make this distinction because my question (below) concerns > >only > > > those Choctaw living in Mississippi prior to and during removal. > > > > > > I understand they lived in log cabins resembling a Hogan (similar to > >those > > > used by Navajos with a hole in the roof to allow smoke to escape). An > > > example of a Hogan may be seen at, > > > > > > http://www.m-w.com/mw/art/hogan.htm > > > > > > In established villages, I have no doubt their dwellings resembled the > > > Hogan. However, there is a possibility that when they traveled to the > > > flood plains of the Yazoo and Mississippi Delta on hunting trips (as was > > > the custom in the fall after the harvest season), they may have used a > >more > > > transportable dwelling structure such as a tepee, a picture of which may > >be > > > seen at, > > > > > > http://www.m-w.com/mw/art/tepee.htm > > > > > > ... or a wigwam (similar to those used by ANs in the Great Lakes > >region).a > > > picture of which may be seen at, > > > > > > http://www.m-w.com/mw/art/wigwam.htm > > > > > > I have seen nothing that claims they ever used tepee- or wigwam-like > > > dwellings, even while traveling overland. In fact, it seems likely that > > > during overland travel and after arriving at their remote destination, > >they > > > may not have used any form of dwelling - portable or otherwise unless it > > > was built on the spot out of materials on hand at the location. One > >reason > > > they may not have taken their dwellings with them is the fact that > >Choctaws > > > hunted west of the Mississippi before removal. Crossing the Mississippi > > > while transporting any form of portable dwelling would make the crossing > > > task that much more difficult. > > > > > > Does anyone on the list have an opinion or know of a reference concerning > > > the use of dwellings, portable or otherwise, during extended periods of > > > travel away from the village? > > > > > > NOTE: (to myself) Might Choctaw use of Hogan-like structures indicate an > > > original west to east migration path that took Choctaw's ancestors > >through > > > Navajo lands en-route to Mississippi? > > > > > > Yakoke, > > > > > > Dennis K. Boswell > > > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > > > Folsom, CA 95630 > > > > > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > > > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > >______________________________ > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > >Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at > >http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > > > Regards, > > Dennis K. Boswell > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > Folsom, CA 95630 > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > ______________________________

Good Word's Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: "Cecilia D." <papllion@mnsinc.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:21:55 -0400 > > >Jim, as your sister I know you others here don't and you do appear to come >across rude. I understand your quest for knowledge, just remember that >there are others striving for the same goal and please remember to do unto >others as you wish them to do on to you. Respect ones opinion. >sis > > > > Don't worry. It is obvious that you do not concern yourself with > > intelligence. > > Jim > > > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gemma West" <gemmawest@usa.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 3:09 PM > > Subject: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > > > > > > It should be clear to you that I don't concern myself with Webster's > > > definition of intelligence. If not then let me assure you of this >fact. > > > > > > Frankly your whole demeanor on this list reeks of disrespect or >playground > > > taunting. Your referral to people not choosing to name themselves >afer > > > dolphins is just another in a long line of examples. But, of course, >I > > may be > > > completely wrong. If you do indeed have Indian ancestors I hope that >their > > > spirits prevail on you to change. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Gemma > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > Get free email and a permanent address at >http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Choctaw Home Page: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

I wrote the previous posting based on my memory of earlier reading, so I went back to those sources to clarify. One of these is INDIANS OF THE SOUTHEAST UNITED STATES and the other is SOURCE MATERIAL FOR THE SOCIAL AND CEREMONIAL LIFE OF THE CHOCTAW. Both are by John Swanton but quote extensively from the writings of early European travelers through the southeast. To answer your question aobut how early the information applies, the earliest of these travelers was in the mid 1700s. As for the relative location of the different dwellings, it seems I had made a slight leap of deduction in my memory. There are passages describing both the round and the rectangular styles as being used by the Choctaw, as well as the Chickasaw, Creek, Alabama, and other southeastern tribes. The passages about the Chickasaw and Creek mention that each family group had both of these different types of dwellings (as well as additional structures for storage and/or living quarters) in close proxi mity to each other, forming a small "courtyard" in the middle. Of the passages that refer specifically to the Choctaw, some describe the rectangular type (calling it the "summer house") and some describe the circular type (calling it the "hot house" or "winter house"), but none of them explicitly state that both types were built concurrently by the same family group. Swanton deduces that, since the descriptions of the structures are essentially the same between the various accounts of the different tribes, the arrangement of the multiple types in proximity to each other would also be the same even though it's not explicitly stated. Each of the accounts is by a different person, who probably all visited different Choctaw villages, so I suppose it would also be reasonable to assume that the different types of structures were not used by the same family groups. The circular type may have simply been used by Choctaws in northern districts climate, while the rectangular type was used by Choctaws in southern regions. Since neither arrangement is specifically described, we can't be certain either way. Okay, I guess this post is long enough. I hope this info is useful. I suggest you go to the sources I mentioned if you can. SOURCE MATERIAL...CHOCTAW is rather hard to find, but INDIANS OF THE SOUTHEASTERN U.S. might very well be in your local public library (and it has illustrations). --Sean -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Boswell [SMTP:dennisb@primenet.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:07 AM To: seanpsg@home.net; CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CHAHTA] Mississippi Choctaw Dwellings Yakoke, Sean. BTW, among Choctaw families who had both summer and winter cabins, was it the case that the two cabins would be in the same locale, or in different geographic areas similar to those today who have a winter home in Arizona and a summer home in a cooler locale? Your description of their different heating and cooling characteristics, together with the limited geography occupied by the Choctaw, suggests to me that a family may have built both types of "log cabin" next to each other? During what time frame do you understand this practice of having seasonal homes started? At 07:11 AM 04/10/2001 -0500, Sean P. S. George wrote: >A couple of minor additions to Dusty's comments that I hope will also be >useful... > >The main distinction between the Choctaw (and other indigenous southeastern >tribes') dwellings and the colonial style "log cabins" most people know, is >that the Choctaw didn't stack the logs on top of each other horizontally. > Instead they stood them up vertically, with the bottom ends sunk into the >ground. > >Also, it was not uncommon for them to have separate dwellings for different >seasons. Summer cabins were larger, rectangular, with open-ended gables >for ventilation, while winter cabins were smaller and circular to retain >more heat. > >Finally, in swampy areas the palmetto hut was widely used as well. The >frame was built from sturdy poles, and the palmetto fronds were tied to the >frame in overlapping "shingle" fashion. > >An interesting sidenote is that when the people who had been used to >building with palmetto started using cut lumber in the late 1800's and >early 1900's, the would apparently fasten several shingles together into a >palmetto-like arrangement before attaching it to the house frame. > >Most of the above info can be found in Swanton's books: "Indians of the >Southeastern U.S." and "Source Material for the Social and Ceremonial Life >of the Choctaw". There's a great picture of the palmetto hut, and I know a >Houma guy who still knows how to build them the old way. > > >--Sean > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dusty [SMTP:dustyc@microgear.net] >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 7:20 PM >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Mississippi Choctaw Dwellings > >Dennis: >The type of dwelling used down here on the Gulf Coast was called "wattle >and >daub", and was a combination of poles used to support the structure with >interwoven sticks, twigs or branches used for the walls. Native clay used >as mortar to hold the sticks together. Dwellings of this nature were still >in use on occasion at the turn of the century, later evolving into the "log >cabin" type structure seen more recently. > >In the extreme southern, swampy parts of La. and Miss., there is still in >use today a structure similar to a small log cabin which is built on a raft >made of cypress or pine logs lashed together. When the rains come in the >spring and the Mississippi river rises causing flooding throughout the >Atchafalaya Basin swamplands, these dwellings float up with the high >water. >They are still referred to by the Cajun people as "Choctaws", and are >sometimes used as temporary hunting lodges. > >dusty >----- Original Message ----- >From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 3:47 PM >Subject: [CHAHTA] Mississippi Choctaw Dwellings > > > > Halito, CHAHTA-L subscribers, > > > > This message concerns pre-removal Choctaw, not those living in IT >following > > removal. I make this distinction because my question (below) concerns >only > > those Choctaw living in Mississippi prior to and during removal. > > > > I understand they lived in log cabins resembling a Hogan (similar to >those > > used by Navajos with a hole in the roof to allow smoke to escape). An > > example of a Hogan may be seen at, > > > > http://www.m-w.com/mw/art/hogan.htm > > > > In established villages, I have no doubt their dwellings resembled the > > Hogan. However, there is a possibility that when they traveled to the > > flood plains of the Yazoo and Mississippi Delta on hunting trips (as was > > the custom in the fall after the harvest season), they may have used a >more > > transportable dwelling structure such as a tepee, a picture of which may >be > > seen at, > > > > http://www.m-w.com/mw/art/tepee.htm > > > > ... or a wigwam (similar to those used by ANs in the Great Lakes >region).a > > picture of which may be seen at, > > > > http://www.m-w.com/mw/art/wigwam.htm > > > > I have seen nothing that claims they ever used tepee- or wigwam-like > > dwellings, even while traveling overland. In fact, it seems likely that > > during overland travel and after arriving at their remote destination, >they > > may not have used any form of dwelling - portable or otherwise unless it > > was built on the spot out of materials on hand at the location. One >reason > > they may not have taken their dwellings with them is the fact that >Choctaws > > hunted west of the Mississippi before removal. Crossing the Mississippi > > while transporting any form of portable dwelling would make the crossing > > task that much more difficult. > > > > Does anyone on the list have an opinion or know of a reference concerning > > the use of dwellings, portable or otherwise, during extended periods of > > travel away from the village? > > > > NOTE: (to myself) Might Choctaw use of Hogan-like structures indicate an > > original west to east migration path that took Choctaw's ancestors >through > > Navajo lands en-route to Mississippi? > > > > Yakoke, > > > > Dennis K. Boswell > > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > > Folsom, CA 95630 > > > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > >______________________________ > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at >http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. Regards, Dennis K. Boswell 301 Crow Canyon Drive Folsom, CA 95630 Tel: (916) 987-3599 Fax: (916) 987-3555

what is pine ridge ----- Original Message ----- From: Cecilia D. <papllion@mnsinc.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > What would you like to know about Pine Ridge? I'm a member of a group that > makes two trips a year there trying to help them. They just returned from > their spring trip with a semi full of furniture and things for the homes > and I could send you her email privately if you want it. > Cecilia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "faynshep" <faynshep@telapex.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 2:07 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > > > > Yes, she is about 20 miles from the administration bldg. I haven't heard > > back from her yet. Her husband and a few others are still in the > building, > > and I'm going to make sure if it is the Red Cloud building. I think that > is > > the one, but it may not be another bldg and I will find out. > > Fay > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 6:36 AM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > > > > > > > Fay, Is Iris from Pine Ridge? Arla > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "faynshep" <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 3:12 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > > > > > > > > > > I think it's been nearer to a year. Will check with Iris and see > what's > > > > going on now. > > > > Fay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Choctaw Home Page: > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the > list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

In a message dated 4/8/01 10:20:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, CHAHTA-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > has gotten me through some really tough times and either kept me on the > right road, or quickly brought me back to the right road. > OK, I know, here I go again! Thanks for listening ya'll! And thanks > brothers and sisters for being here! > Tsana > > I know what you are saying, Tsana. I always looked at the movies, etc. a little differently, I think, knowing that I am part Indian. My Mother never said much beyond just that we were Choctaw, Cherokee, and Chickasaw. I remember growing up with that knowledge and I guess I inherited their culture without realizing that it was different from the neighbors who might have been German or Italian or whatever. It was just the was it was at our house. My Mother's sister, on the other hand, has embraced a lot of the Choctaw art and decorating. She remembers the Indian children being called out of school to be counted as the schools got more money for the Indian kids. She and her husband developed some land here in California and named their street "Choctaw Trace". BTW, he passed over last week. We are going up north to see her on Thursday. I am sorry, I didn't mean to get so long-winded. Mary

Chukma Tas na Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: Amarya@aol.com >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CHAHTA] Re: CHAHTA-D Digest V01 #237 >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:21:58 EDT > >In a message dated 4/8/01 10:20:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >CHAHTA-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > has gotten me through some really tough times and either kept me on the > > right road, or quickly brought me back to the right road. > > OK, I know, here I go again! Thanks for listening ya'll! And >thanks > > brothers and sisters for being here! > > Tsana > > > > > >I know what you are saying, Tsana. I always looked at the movies, etc. a >little differently, I think, knowing that I am part Indian. My Mother >never >said much beyond just that we were Choctaw, Cherokee, and Chickasaw. I >remember growing up with that knowledge and I guess I inherited their >culture >without realizing that it was different from the neighbors who might have >been German or Italian or whatever. It was just the was it was at our >house. > >My Mother's sister, on the other hand, has embraced a lot of the Choctaw >art >and decorating. She remembers the Indian children being called out of >school >to be counted as the schools got more money for the Indian kids. She and >her >husband developed some land here in California and named their street >"Choctaw Trace". BTW, he passed over last week. We are going up north to >see her on Thursday. >I am sorry, I didn't mean to get so long-winded. Mary > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Thanks Arla, I noticed in your recipe Orange. I will try to find some and see if this works for me. At this point I'm ready to try all remedies. FYI A friend told me today that his grand mother had a concoction she used to attract and kill them. He is going to try and find out the recipe and I will post it when I get the info. Thanks to all for the replies, Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Arla Williams" <jaws@crosstel.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > Essential oils are super concentrated oils of plants. It only takes a small > amount to do a lot of good. They are the neatest things and I use all > different kinds of them. Arla > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Collins" <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 7:11 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > Arla, I'm not sure what essential oils are. Would you enlighten me please? > > I've got to find some relief! > > Kim > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John & Arla Williams" <jaws@crosstel.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:07 AM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > > > > Kim, I make my own insect spray from essential oils, witch hazel and > > > skin-so-soft. > > > It is really easy. I take about 6 oz. of witch hazel and add about > 2 > > > Tbs. of skin-so -soft, > > > about 10 drops of orange essential oil. you can also add Sage Oil to it > if > > > you want. I put this in a spray bottle nand spritz it on me when I am > out > > > working. It even keeps sweat bees away. > > > Arla > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Kim Collins" <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 6:54 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > Shelley, I'm talking the ones that bite and leave whelps. > > > > Got bit near my eye last year and it was swollen shut within an hour. > > > > Kim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Choctaw" <choctaw@bscn.com> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:21 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kim, > > > > > What I know of "Buffalo gnats", you aren't talking about the > > little > > > > > brown pesky gnats. These bite and leave a big whelp or sore. And the > > > bite > > > > > hurts! But Dad had them last year at his place in OK and I can > check > > > and > > > > > see what if anything they might know about keeping them off of you. > > His > > > > > wife is very "organic" and they do not use any sprays or pesticides > of > > > any > > > > > kind. I'll see what I can find out for you. > > > > > Shelley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to > > the > > > > list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > > > > CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at > > http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the > list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

Halito Shelly Doesn't matter, your preference. Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: "Choctaw" <choctaw@bscn.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Smudging >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:32:06 -0500 > >Another question: > Should I have the doors and windows open or closed during the >smudging? >Or does it even matter? > Shelley > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Have a safe travel my Friend Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CHAHTA] LEAVING TOWN >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:13:58 -0500 > >I'm leaving in a few minutes to go to Miss. Will be back Wednesday >evening. >You guys hold down the fort. > >dusty > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the >list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at >CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

I have no idea what you are referring to. ----- Original Message ----- From: Juli Kearns <jmme@mindspring.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo > Hack back the URL and you'll find it: > > www.homestead.com/whitebuffalomiracle/ > > Juli > > At 09:21 PM 4/10/01 -0500, you wrote: > >Getting message: page not found. > >Kim > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: <LPSRLS@aol.com> > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:35 PM > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo > > > > > > > For any one who wants to see the white buffalo Miracle . > > > here's the site . > > > www.homestead.com/whitebuffalomiracle/miracle > > > Ron > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

Essential oils are super concentrated oils of plants. It only takes a small amount to do a lot of good. They are the neatest things and I use all different kinds of them. Arla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Collins" <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > Arla, I'm not sure what essential oils are. Would you enlighten me please? > I've got to find some relief! > Kim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John & Arla Williams" <jaws@crosstel.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:07 AM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > Kim, I make my own insect spray from essential oils, witch hazel and > > skin-so-soft. > > It is really easy. I take about 6 oz. of witch hazel and add about 2 > > Tbs. of skin-so -soft, > > about 10 drops of orange essential oil. you can also add Sage Oil to it if > > you want. I put this in a spray bottle nand spritz it on me when I am out > > working. It even keeps sweat bees away. > > Arla > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kim Collins" <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 6:54 AM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > > > > Shelley, I'm talking the ones that bite and leave whelps. > > > Got bit near my eye last year and it was swollen shut within an hour. > > > Kim > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Choctaw" <choctaw@bscn.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:21 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > Kim, > > > > What I know of "Buffalo gnats", you aren't talking about the > little > > > > brown pesky gnats. These bite and leave a big whelp or sore. And the > > bite > > > > hurts! But Dad had them last year at his place in OK and I can check > > and > > > > see what if anything they might know about keeping them off of you. > His > > > > wife is very "organic" and they do not use any sprays or pesticides of > > any > > > > kind. I'll see what I can find out for you. > > > > Shelley > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to > the > > > list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > > > CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at > http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > >

My ex used to have us use it for mosquitoes but it didn't seem to last long. She did water it down though. Does full strength work better and last longer? Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > When they were making the movie "Steel Magnolias" in our area, Darrell > Hannah and Shirley McLaine ordered several cases of Skin-So-Soft (Avon) as > it keeps off mosquitoes and bugs, smells good and isn't greasy. > > dusty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:07 AM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > Kim, I make my own insect spray from essential oils, witch hazel and > > skin-so-soft. > > It is really easy. I take about 6 oz. of witch hazel and add about 2 > > Tbs. of skin-so -soft, > > about 10 drops of orange essential oil. you can also add Sage Oil to it if > > you want. I put this in a spray bottle nand spritz it on me when I am out > > working. It even keeps sweat bees away. > > Arla > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kim Collins" <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 6:54 AM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > > > > Shelley, I'm talking the ones that bite and leave whelps. > > > Got bit near my eye last year and it was swollen shut within an hour. > > > Kim > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Choctaw" <choctaw@bscn.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:21 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > Kim, > > > > What I know of "Buffalo gnats", you aren't talking about the > little > > > > brown pesky gnats. These bite and leave a big whelp or sore. And the > > bite > > > > hurts! But Dad had them last year at his place in OK and I can check > > and > > > > see what if anything they might know about keeping them off of you. > His > > > > wife is very "organic" and they do not use any sprays or pesticides of > > any > > > > kind. I'll see what I can find out for you. > > > > Shelley > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to > the > > > list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > > > CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at > http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > >

Arla, I'm not sure what essential oils are. Would you enlighten me please? I've got to find some relief! Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Arla Williams" <jaws@crosstel.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > Kim, I make my own insect spray from essential oils, witch hazel and > skin-so-soft. > It is really easy. I take about 6 oz. of witch hazel and add about 2 > Tbs. of skin-so -soft, > about 10 drops of orange essential oil. you can also add Sage Oil to it if > you want. I put this in a spray bottle nand spritz it on me when I am out > working. It even keeps sweat bees away. > Arla > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Collins" <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 6:54 AM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > Shelley, I'm talking the ones that bite and leave whelps. > > Got bit near my eye last year and it was swollen shut within an hour. > > Kim > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Choctaw" <choctaw@bscn.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > > > > Kim, > > > What I know of "Buffalo gnats", you aren't talking about the little > > > brown pesky gnats. These bite and leave a big whelp or sore. And the > bite > > > hurts! But Dad had them last year at his place in OK and I can check > and > > > see what if anything they might know about keeping them off of you. His > > > wife is very "organic" and they do not use any sprays or pesticides of > any > > > kind. I'll see what I can find out for you. > > > Shelley > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the > > list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > > CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > >

I'm going to try vanilla extract and see if it works. Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane" <jlittledeer@webtv.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > Deer flies are like the Buffalo gnats, they bite and they are really bad > pests. I am allergic to them and I have found nothing that will repel > them from around me. > > Little Deer > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > >

i dont know but i couldnt find a white buffalo ----- Original Message ----- From: <LPSRLS@aol.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo > For any one who wants to see the white buffalo Miracle . > here's the site . > www.homestead.com/whitebuffalomiracle/miracle > Ron > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

Let me know if it works, Kim. At 07:08 PM 04/10/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I'm going to try vanilla extract and see if it works. >Kim >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jane" <jlittledeer@webtv.net> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 4:33 PM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > Deer flies are like the Buffalo gnats, they bite and they are really bad > > pests. I am allergic to them and I have found nothing that will repel > > them from around me. > > > > Little Deer > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the >list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at >CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at >http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. Regards, Dennis K. Boswell 301 Crow Canyon Drive Folsom, CA 95630 Tel: (916) 987-3599 Fax: (916) 987-3555

Deer flies are like the Buffalo gnats, they bite and they are really bad pests. I am allergic to them and I have found nothing that will repel them from around me. Little Deer

Believe me they will. It seems the smudge just reachs for them.haha! Arla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Choctaw" <choctaw@bscn.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Smudging > Yakoke Arla, > I remembered you mentioning the smoke detector before. I never would have > thought of them going off. > Shelley > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

Yakoke Arla, I remembered you mentioning the smoke detector before. I never would have thought of them going off. Shelley

Shelley I close everything and then when I am through I go outside around the house. Be sure with everything closed up you cover your smoke detector. I set mine off everytime. haha Arla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Choctaw" <choctaw@bscn.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Smudging > Another question: > Should I have the doors and windows open or closed during the smudging? > Or does it even matter? > Shelley > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >