LOL Such a fine song Barbara!! Sonja >From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:36:15 -0500 > ><:O >OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO--klahoma >where the gnats-flies-skeeters are in styyyyyyyle >where they feast on yer face >til you look for a place >you can go for awhiiiiiiiiile >wheeeeere theeeeeey're nooooooooot!!!!!! :P > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kim Collins" <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 8:10 PM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS > > > > Do you have these where you live? They appear as clouds some times cuz >there > > are so many in the swarm and there are all ways many swarms as well. > > I do understand your reasoning, I think. Some thing like upsetting the > > balance of nature..... I agree, don't want to eradicate them, just repel > > them from my property so I can work in the garden and yard with out >getting > > eaten up by them. Here it's the gnats, then mosquitoes, then flies and > > snakes you have to watch for. Coyotes are getting pretty brave as >well... > > kids just saw one in the front yard. > > I LOVE Oklahoma!!!!!!!! > > Kim > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Barbara Ellison" <greybird7@pisp.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:19 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS > > > > > > > If they were completely done away with, the whole world would probably > > > crumble...you never know.... :) > > > B. > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Neve heard of using pure vanilla extract but then I have never had a prob with ANY kind of insect bite...I have always been fond of eating garlic and have been told that insects are also repelled by this. Something about the garlic being in a persons sweat or something along those lines *S*. Sonja >From: "Kim Collins" <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:30:12 -0500 > >Tried vanilla extract tonight (pure) and it seems to work. They would land >on me and take off fast. Didn't get bitten once. >Do you have them in CA too? >Kim >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dennis Boswell" <dennisb@primenet.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 7:18 PM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > Let me know if it works, Kim. > > > > > > At 07:08 PM 04/10/2001 -0500, you wrote: > > >I'm going to try vanilla extract and see if it works. > > >Kim > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Jane" <jlittledeer@webtv.net> > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 4:33 PM > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > Deer flies are like the Buffalo gnats, they bite and they are really >bad > > > > pests. I am allergic to them and I have found nothing that will >repel > > > > them from around me. > > > > > > > > Little Deer > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to >the > > >list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > > >CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > >Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at > > >http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Dennis K. Boswell > > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > > Folsom, CA 95630 > > > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the >list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at >CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Hey *S* reminds me of home LOL. I was born and raised in Texas and have only lived here in SD for 8 months. Sonja >From: "Kim Collins" <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:10:23 -0500 > >Do you have these where you live? They appear as clouds some times cuz >there >are so many in the swarm and there are all ways many swarms as well. >I do understand your reasoning, I think. Some thing like upsetting the >balance of nature..... I agree, don't want to eradicate them, just repel >them from my property so I can work in the garden and yard with out getting >eaten up by them. Here it's the gnats, then mosquitoes, then flies and >snakes you have to watch for. Coyotes are getting pretty brave as well... >kids just saw one in the front yard. >I LOVE Oklahoma!!!!!!!! >Kim >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Barbara Ellison" <greybird7@pisp.net> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:19 PM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS > > > > If they were completely done away with, the whole world would probably > > crumble...you never know.... :) > > B. > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: >Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

If they were completely done away with, the whole world would probably crumble...you never know.... :) B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Collins" <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS > Thanks Rusty. I have all kinds of new ideas to try now. Let's see if they > all work. If a person could find and market some thing to do away with these > pests, they could make a fortune here!! > Kim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <rusty-old-car@webtv.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:12 PM > Subject: [CHAHTA] GNATS > > > > They are really bad the last few days here. The ones in the house have > > been drawn to a sweet smelling tub of soapy water and drown. My friend > > always have mosquitos around his house in great numbers; he places a > > bucket half full of soapy water outside and places a string across the > > top which has been sprayed with what ever perfumes he can find. It is > > surprising how many die in the bucket. (Personally I prefer a bug zapper > > for hours of entertainment--not much to do around here you know.) > > To keep them from bitting you use an extract of lemon grass or any other > > plant containing citronella in it but be careful not to rub it in your > > eyes. > > > > rusty > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Choctaw Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

Thanks Rusty. I have all kinds of new ideas to try now. Let's see if they all work. If a person could find and market some thing to do away with these pests, they could make a fortune here!! Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: <rusty-old-car@webtv.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:12 PM Subject: [CHAHTA] GNATS > They are really bad the last few days here. The ones in the house have > been drawn to a sweet smelling tub of soapy water and drown. My friend > always have mosquitos around his house in great numbers; he places a > bucket half full of soapy water outside and places a string across the > top which has been sprayed with what ever perfumes he can find. It is > surprising how many die in the bucket. (Personally I prefer a bug zapper > for hours of entertainment--not much to do around here you know.) > To keep them from bitting you use an extract of lemon grass or any other > plant containing citronella in it but be careful not to rub it in your > eyes. > > rusty > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > >

absolutely, Anyone from up that way, I would love to hear from them. Especially if they took any pictures on their trip. Fay ----- Original Message ----- From: Cecilia D. <papllion@mnsinc.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > No I myself missed the trip but I have a new found friend from Pine Ridge > Res. His name is Raven Thunderhawk, he is a horse trainer, that is how we > met. Talking about horses as my youngest daughter is breaking her Arab. > I'm hoping to see him tonite and will ask him about this people. > Is it ok to forward your messages to Nina as she just returned from Pine > Ridge and you and she could correspond. > Cecilia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "faynshep" <faynshep@telapex.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 2:21 AM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > > > > Cecilia, Do you know an elderly man and his son named Ross and Mathew or a > > lady named Iris? Sorry I don't know their last names. > > Fay > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Cecilia D. <papllion@mnsinc.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:26 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > > > > > > > What would you like to know about Pine Ridge? I'm a member of a group > > that > > > makes two trips a year there trying to help them. They just returned > from > > > their spring trip with a semi full of furniture and things for the homes > > > and I could send you her email privately if you want it. > > > Cecilia > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "faynshep" <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 2:07 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > > > > > > > > > > Yes, she is about 20 miles from the administration bldg. I haven't > > heard > > > > back from her yet. Her husband and a few others are still in the > > > building, > > > > and I'm going to make sure if it is the Red Cloud building. I think > > that > > > is > > > > the one, but it may not be another bldg and I will find out. > > > > Fay > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 6:36 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fay, Is Iris from Pine Ridge? Arla > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "faynshep" <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 3:12 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it's been nearer to a year. Will check with Iris and see > > > what's > > > > > > going on now. > > > > > > Fay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > Choctaw Home Page: > > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to > the > > > list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > > > CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the > list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ >

Halito Kim, Geez...this will be my first full year here in SD. Do these dreaded gnats frequent SD? Please tell me they don't. Sonja >From: "Kim Collins" <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:06:25 -0500 > >Thanks Rusty. I have all kinds of new ideas to try now. Let's see if they >all work. If a person could find and market some thing to do away with >these >pests, they could make a fortune here!! >Kim >----- Original Message ----- >From: <rusty-old-car@webtv.net> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:12 PM >Subject: [CHAHTA] GNATS > > > > They are really bad the last few days here. The ones in the house have > > been drawn to a sweet smelling tub of soapy water and drown. My friend > > always have mosquitos around his house in great numbers; he places a > > bucket half full of soapy water outside and places a string across the > > top which has been sprayed with what ever perfumes he can find. It is > > surprising how many die in the bucket. (Personally I prefer a bug zapper > > for hours of entertainment--not much to do around here you know.) > > To keep them from bitting you use an extract of lemon grass or any other > > plant containing citronella in it but be careful not to rub it in your > > eyes. > > > > rusty > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Choctaw Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Halito Cecilia *S*, Thanx for the joke *S* laughing is good for the spirit and I love to know people with a good sense of humor *S*. You mentioned that you have a new found friend from Pine Ridge, are you by any chance living in SD? The reason I ask is because I live here in Rapid City *S*. Sonja >From: "Cecilia D." <papllion@mnsinc.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:10:35 -0400 > >No I myself missed the trip but I have a new found friend from Pine Ridge >Res. His name is Raven Thunderhawk, he is a horse trainer, that is how we >met. Talking about horses as my youngest daughter is breaking her Arab. >I'm hoping to see him tonite and will ask him about this people. >Is it ok to forward your messages to Nina as she just returned from Pine >Ridge and you and she could correspond. >Cecilia > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "faynshep" <faynshep@telapex.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 2:21 AM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > > > > Cecilia, Do you know an elderly man and his son named Ross and Mathew or >a > > lady named Iris? Sorry I don't know their last names. > > Fay > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Cecilia D. <papllion@mnsinc.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:26 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > > > > > > > What would you like to know about Pine Ridge? I'm a member of a group > > that > > > makes two trips a year there trying to help them. They just returned >from > > > their spring trip with a semi full of furniture and things for the >homes > > > and I could send you her email privately if you want it. > > > Cecilia > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "faynshep" <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 2:07 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > > > > > > > > > > Yes, she is about 20 miles from the administration bldg. I haven't > > heard > > > > back from her yet. Her husband and a few others are still in the > > > building, > > > > and I'm going to make sure if it is the Red Cloud building. I think > > that > > > is > > > > the one, but it may not be another bldg and I will find out. > > > > Fay > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 6:36 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fay, Is Iris from Pine Ridge? Arla > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "faynshep" <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 3:12 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it's been nearer to a year. Will check with Iris and >see > > > what's > > > > > > going on now. > > > > > > Fay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > Choctaw Home Page: > > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to >the > > > list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > > > CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the >list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at >CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Choctaw Home Page: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

No I myself missed the trip but I have a new found friend from Pine Ridge Res. His name is Raven Thunderhawk, he is a horse trainer, that is how we met. Talking about horses as my youngest daughter is breaking her Arab. I'm hoping to see him tonite and will ask him about this people. Is it ok to forward your messages to Nina as she just returned from Pine Ridge and you and she could correspond. Cecilia ----- Original Message ----- From: "faynshep" <faynshep@telapex.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 2:21 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > Cecilia, Do you know an elderly man and his son named Ross and Mathew or a > lady named Iris? Sorry I don't know their last names. > Fay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cecilia D. <papllion@mnsinc.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:26 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > > > > What would you like to know about Pine Ridge? I'm a member of a group > that > > makes two trips a year there trying to help them. They just returned from > > their spring trip with a semi full of furniture and things for the homes > > and I could send you her email privately if you want it. > > Cecilia > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "faynshep" <faynshep@telapex.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 2:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > > > > > > > Yes, she is about 20 miles from the administration bldg. I haven't > heard > > > back from her yet. Her husband and a few others are still in the > > building, > > > and I'm going to make sure if it is the Red Cloud building. I think > that > > is > > > the one, but it may not be another bldg and I will find out. > > > Fay > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 6:36 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > > > > > > > > > > Fay, Is Iris from Pine Ridge? Arla > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "faynshep" <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 3:12 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it's been nearer to a year. Will check with Iris and see > > what's > > > > > going on now. > > > > > Fay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > Choctaw Home Page: > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the > > list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > > CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com >

anybody have any pictures of Buffalo Valley Oklahoma, Tuskahoma or The new Sardis Reservior ----- Original Message ----- From: faynshep <faynshep@telapex.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > absolutely, Anyone from up that way, I would love to hear from them. > Especially if they took any pictures on their trip. > Fay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cecilia D. <papllion@mnsinc.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 2:10 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > > > > No I myself missed the trip but I have a new found friend from Pine Ridge > > Res. His name is Raven Thunderhawk, he is a horse trainer, that is how we > > met. Talking about horses as my youngest daughter is breaking her Arab. > > I'm hoping to see him tonite and will ask him about this people. > > Is it ok to forward your messages to Nina as she just returned from Pine > > Ridge and you and she could correspond. > > Cecilia > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "faynshep" <faynshep@telapex.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 2:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > > > > > > > Cecilia, Do you know an elderly man and his son named Ross and Mathew or > a > > > lady named Iris? Sorry I don't know their last names. > > > Fay > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Cecilia D. <papllion@mnsinc.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:26 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > > > > > > > > > > What would you like to know about Pine Ridge? I'm a member of a group > > > that > > > > makes two trips a year there trying to help them. They just returned > > from > > > > their spring trip with a semi full of furniture and things for the > homes > > > > and I could send you her email privately if you want it. > > > > Cecilia > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "faynshep" <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 2:07 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, she is about 20 miles from the administration bldg. I haven't > > > heard > > > > > back from her yet. Her husband and a few others are still in the > > > > building, > > > > > and I'm going to make sure if it is the Red Cloud building. I think > > > that > > > > is > > > > > the one, but it may not be another bldg and I will find out. > > > > > Fay > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 6:36 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fay, Is Iris from Pine Ridge? Arla > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "faynshep" <faynshep@telapex.com> > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 3:12 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] PROBLEMS ON PINE RIDGE-ROSEBUD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it's been nearer to a year. Will check with Iris and > see > > > > what's > > > > > > > going on now. > > > > > > > Fay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > Choctaw Home Page: > > > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to > > the > > > > list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > > > > CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the > > list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > > CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Choctaw Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. >

So true Elkdreamer *S*. I try to give everyone the shadow of a doubt until I have a chance to look into their eyes...they never lie and they show you more than you would think. Sonja >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 04:56:19 -0700 > >Halito Jim > I am 57yrs old and Male. It is alright to argue with each other. That is >how we learn. Just remember that sometimes words come out wrong. When we >are >writing we are not able to see each other face to face. Half of any >language >is in the facial expressions so sometimes what we said isn't what we mean. >What we say to a person face to face come's out different because we know >if >they are smilying or frowning etc: > Don't ever stop learning > Walk in Beauty > Elkdreamer > > >>From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> >>Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >>To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest >>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:50:19 -0400 >> >>I am not inviting trouble with what I am going to say (I hope!!!). >>The list manager, Dusty, has not told me to cease. I have written Dusty IN >>PUBLIC telling that I would STOP if I was causing any trouble and was told >>I >>was doing nothing wrong!! >>I am not getting into a "Mud Slinging" thing on this or any other board. >>Regardless of who you say you are, what you say you are unless I KNOW YOU, >>I >>don't know for sure!! You maybe an elderly woman, a young girl or even a >>MALE!!! >>Jim >> >>jmorsn@coastalnet.com >>http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> >>To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:00 AM >>Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest >> >> >> > Now Jim >> > That was not a nice thing to say to someone. Remember everyone see's >> > thing's differently, that is the beauty of being Human. The >>difference's >>of >> > opinion and the decussion about it is what makes this Circle work. >> > Disagreement is alright, but with respect for each other. >> > Walk in Beauty >> > Elkdreamer >> > >> > >> > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> >> > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >> > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >> > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest >> > >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 02:38:06 -0400 >> > > >> > >Don't worry. It is obvious that you do not concern yourself with >> > >intelligence. >> > >Jim >> > > >> > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com >> > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ >> > >----- Original Message ----- >> > >From: "Gemma West" <gemmawest@usa.net> >> > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >> > >Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 3:09 PM >> > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest >> > > >> > > >> > > > It should be clear to you that I don't concern myself with >>Webster's >> > > > definition of intelligence. If not then let me assure you of this >>fact. >> > > > >> > > > Frankly your whole demeanor on this list reeks of disrespect or >> > >playground >> > > > taunting. Your referral to people not choosing to name themselves >>afer >> > > > dolphins is just another in a long line of examples. But, of >>course, >>I >> > >may be >> > > > completely wrong. If you do indeed have Indian ancestors I hope >>that >> > >their >> > > > spirits prevail on you to change. >> > > > >> > > > Cheers, >> > > > >> > > > Gemma >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>____________________________________________________________________ >> > > > Get free email and a permanent address at >>http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >> > > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: >> > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >> > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: >> > >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com >> > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes >> > >Nothing in the subject line... 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Tsana, Oh no, I didn't think that at all. I was just expressing my thoughts about it all. Regards, Linda Kirby Branum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tsa na Jordan" <medicgirl78@yahoo.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Were all Brothers and Sisters > Linda, > I hope you don't think that I was putting our ancestors down! I wasn't > and I also, am proud of their courage and the strife they lived through. > But, I was just stating simple fact. Of course, as I said in another > message, hindsight is 20/20. What would I have done in their shoes? Can't > say! Yes, I agree with you that they had, as my granny would say "a lot of > moxy" (sp?)! > Tsana > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Linda Branum <mamalin@1s.net> > To: Tsa na Jordan <medicgirl78@yahoo.com>; <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 11:47 AM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Were all Brothers and Sisters > > > > Hi Tsana, > > Maybe that the reason the gov did what they did if we were all together > we > > would have had a lot more strength to over power them. If they scattered > out > > our people they had a much better chance. > > Our people were sent to another land they didn't know and were like > sheep > > in a field. They didn't know their land and didn't have any protection. > With > > less people to withstand the terror they must have felt it made them feel > > like little lambs. I do know they did the best they could and should be > > given the PRAISE they deserve. > > Thats why I am searching so hard for my ancestors. I want so bad to find > > out where they migrated from. I know they moved to Okla Indian Territory > in > > the mid 1880's from somewhere in Texas but I want to know where my > > GGGrandfather and GGGrandMother migrated from. > > I know it had to be from La. or Mississippi but I'm not for sure. > > It breaks my heart to think what the goverment put our ancestors thru to > > make them leave their homelands during the winter. It was so hot in that > > area and Okla is much colder that the Southern States. Our people didn't > > know what winter was I don't think till they hit Okla Indian Territory. > > I really get upset to know they were taken from their land and moved, > > some didn't even have blankets. My heart crys out to our ancestors and I > > give them all the PRAISE for their courage. > > Regards, Linda > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tsa na Jordan" <medicgirl78@yahoo.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 11:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Were all Brothers and Sisters > > > > > > > Linda, > > > You are sooo right. In fact, we all know, if we look at history, > > that's > > > one of the problems the Indians had. Had they banned together, they > could > > > have done better. But, they were divided and easy conquering for the > > > whites. Just thoughts and my own opinion. > > > Take care and go safely! > > > Tsana > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Linda Branum <mamalin@1s.net> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 10:11 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Were all Brothers and Sisters > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dusty and all, > > > > I want to say that my brother looks full blood Indian but we are > just > > > > 1/32. I don't look a bit like and Indian but I have the same amt of > > blood > > > as > > > > he does. > > > > I feel the amt of Indian doesn't matter. We are all brothers and > > sisters > > > > just some of us have proof and others don't. > > > > I think we should all remember TOGETHER WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL. > All > > of > > > > us need to unite together and stop worring about how much blood we > have > > > but > > > > our people were all at one time full blood so who cares if you are > full > > or > > > > just a little. You are still my sister and brother and all are NA. > > > > Regards, Linda Kirby Branum > > > > > > > > (Guynes and Sain are my Indian heritage surnames) Guynes being > Choctaw > > > and > > > > documented and Sain Cherokee undocumented. But I feel ancestors > calling > > > from > > > > both!! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:29 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gemma and all: > > > > > > > > > > I am intrigued and challenged by your question, "Does the community > > > still > > > > > exist." I have pondered this question for many years and under many > > > > > different circumstances., and would like to get some feedback from > > other > > > > > listmembers. > > > > > > > > > > What is the state of the Indian community today..... > > > > > Specifically, WHAT IS AN INDIAN? Is it a matter of blood quantum? > > > > > Lifestyle? Beliefs? > > > > > > > > > > There can be no argument that there is definite predjudice among NA > as > > > to > > > > > "who is Indian" and who is not. There are "skins" and there are > > > "bloods". > > > > > Why the separation? What does it take to be considered "Indian > > enough". > > > > > Are some NAs practicing a racism they would decry in other races.? > > > Don't > > > > > quote me the government's definition of Indian, I'm well aware of > > that. > > > > > > > > > > I want the opinions of others on this list. > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: David and Tommie Marsters <haili65@proaxis.com> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:30 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well put, Gemma. I agree. > > > > > > Tommie > > > > > > > > > > > > Gemma West wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > What has happened for many people is that they wander through > life > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > figure out what is wrong...trying to figure out why they don't > fit > > > in. > > > > > > > Attempts are made to mold themselves into someone else's > > defintions > > > of > > > > > good > > > > > > > and bad. These attempts fail. Finally that person decides to > > look > > > to > > > > > their > > > > > > > ancestors. They find themselves. They finally feel > comfortable. > > > It > > > > is > > > > > > > obvious to all that ancestors shape our biological > > characteristics. > > > > It > > > > > is > > > > > > > obvious to me that ancestors shape our spirituality. The sad > > thing > > > is > > > > > that > > > > > > > sometimes the assimilation is so thick that you can grow up > around > > > > > Indians and > > > > > > > still not know your own spirituality. The beautiful thing is > > > finding > > > > > the few > > > > > > > who have refused assimilation and are willing to share > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When non-Indian people ask to be allowed into the community it > > > causes > > > > us > > > > > to > > > > > > > question ourselves. Does community still exist? What are they > > here > > > > to > > > > > get? > > > > > > > Are we really different from them? I think the great thing about > > > this > > > > > reverse > > > > > > > acculturation is that it is spurring some of us to re-embrace > our > > > own > > > > > > > ancestors. It is removing the shame that our elders had to live > > > with. > > > > > This > > > > > > > shame had no place and that is becoming clear to new > generations. > > > If > > > > we > > > > > can > > > > > > > influence people to live a balanced life then that is a great > > thing. > > > > > After > > > > > > > all, our children and their children will have to live in a > world > > > > shaped > > > > > by > > > > > > > the parents. We can not afford to be selfish with principles of > > > > > balance. It > > > > > > > seems that they need these principles much more than we do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> wrote: > > > > > > > "Our spirituality" is not "just an idea" and it is not something > > we > > > > went > > > > > to > > > > > > > class and learned somewhere, or got off the internet...it is > born > > in > > > > us > > > > > > > (which is obvious to those Indians who were raised surrounded by > a > > > > white > > > > > > > society) and a non-Indian may be able to learn from us some > > things, > > > > but > > > > > they > > > > > > > cannot "acquire" what they are not born with, and their attempts > > to > > > > put > > > > > > > themselves on an "equal footing", with Indians, so to speak, is > at > > > > best > > > > > > > futile...and at worst, an attempt at cultural theft... > > > > > > > B. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:59 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall play devil's advocate again and expose my rear to > > > everyone's > > > > > > > slings > > > > > > > > and arrows... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about those people who do not "want to be NA", but just > > think > > > > > our > > > > > > > > spirituality, philosophy and way of life is a good idea. I've > > had > > > > > > > countless > > > > > > > > elders tell me, "I don't care what kind of blood you have, as > > long > > > > as > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > human". Just because an Anglo wants to practice our ways > > because > > > it > > > > > works > > > > > > > > for them, doesn't mean they deserve to be belittled by a > > > derogatory > > > > > name. > > > > > > > > Are there really that many among us that are so arrogant to do > > so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did we ever get the idea that that we were so exclusive? > > > > Isn't > > > > > that > > > > > > > > TRUE racism? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:45 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer, Where did the term come from? Arla > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:38 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Fay > > > > > > > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no > Indian > > > > blood > > > > > at > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without > > the > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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Gosh... I don't know for sure just read this somewhere. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tsa na Jordan" <medicgirl78@yahoo.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Indian Heritage > Linda and Dusty, > Linda, are you referring to the matriarchal (sp?) society? That's the > way I understood your message, but don't know. > Tsana > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 6:30 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Indian Heritage > > > > Linda: > > > > Where did you get the information about the blacks not being allowed to > > claim Indian blood if it was from their fathers? > > > > dusty > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Linda Branum <mamalin@1s.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 12:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Indian Heritage > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > I do know that in some of the papers I have on my family members. We > are > > > Choctaw but my Great Uncle William Guynes married a Chickasaw woman and > > > their children are listed in the Chickasaw rolls. > > > If I am wrong please someone correct me. William is listed as 1/2 > > Choctaw > > > and Margaret James Guynes is listed as 3/4 Chickasaw. Its my > understanding > > > that the greater Indian blood line would be who the children are listed > > > with. I have also heard that the children were listed with the mothers > > side > > > too. > > > I think that is why there is such a problem with the black ancestors > who > > > had Indian fathers. They were listed with their mother who was black and > > > can't claim their Indian rights. Does anyone know the law about this. If > I > > > stand corrected please feel free to correct me. > > > I think this is wrong to not let them have their Indian Heritage but > so > > > many things were wrong back then. > > > Linda Kirby Branum > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 4:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Were all Brothers and Sisters > > > > > > > > > > Hate to "nit pick", but here is MY problem with the suggestion: > > > > My great great grand mother MAY have been Chickasaw Indian from Gibson > > > > County, TN. She was born 1837. > > > > My great grand mother was almost without doubt Chocataw Indian from > > > Chambers > > > > County, AL. She was born 1856. > > > > My grand mother was suppose to have been part Cherokee Indian from > > Hayti, > > > > MO. She was born 1907. > > > > > > > > If any of these women are on any of the "Final Rolls" or any of their > > kin, > > > I > > > > have not been able to locate them!! Which "tribe" should I claim? > > > > BTW > > > > These are all my FATHER'S grand mothers. > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Linda Branum" <mamalin@1s.net> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 11:11 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Were all Brothers and Sisters > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dusty and all, > > > > > I want to say that my brother looks full blood Indian but we are > > just > > > > > 1/32. I don't look a bit like and Indian but I have the same amt of > > > blood > > > > as > > > > > he does. > > > > > I feel the amt of Indian doesn't matter. We are all brothers and > > > sisters > > > > > just some of us have proof and others don't. > > > > > I think we should all remember TOGETHER WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL. > > All > > > of > > > > > us need to unite together and stop worring about how much blood we > > have > > > > but > > > > > our people were all at one time full blood so who cares if you are > > full > > > or > > > > > just a little. You are still my sister and brother and all are NA. > > > > > Regards, Linda Kirby Branum > > > > > > > > > > (Guynes and Sain are my Indian heritage surnames) Guynes being > > Choctaw > > > > and > > > > > documented and Sain Cherokee undocumented. But I feel ancestors > > calling > > > > from > > > > > both!! > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:29 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gemma and all: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am intrigued and challenged by your question, "Does the > community > > > > still > > > > > > exist." I have pondered this question for many years and under > many > > > > > > different circumstances., and would like to get some feedback from > > > other > > > > > > listmembers. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the state of the Indian community today..... > > > > > > Specifically, WHAT IS AN INDIAN? Is it a matter of blood quantum? > > > > > > Lifestyle? Beliefs? > > > > > > > > > > > > There can be no argument that there is definite predjudice among > NA > > as > > > > to > > > > > > "who is Indian" and who is not. There are "skins" and there are > > > > "bloods". > > > > > > Why the separation? What does it take to be considered "Indian > > > enough". > > > > > > Are some NAs practicing a racism they would decry in other races.? > > > > Don't > > > > > > quote me the government's definition of Indian, I'm well aware of > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > I want the opinions of others on this list. > > > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: David and Tommie Marsters <haili65@proaxis.com> > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:30 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well put, Gemma. I agree. > > > > > > > Tommie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gemma West wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What has happened for many people is that they wander through > > life > > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > > figure out what is wrong...trying to figure out why they don't > > fit > > > > in. > > > > > > > > Attempts are made to mold themselves into someone else's > > > defintions > > > > of > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > and bad. These attempts fail. Finally that person decides to > > > look > > > > to > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > ancestors. They find themselves. They finally feel > > comfortable. > > > > It > > > > > is > > > > > > > > obvious to all that ancestors shape our biological > > > characteristics. > > > > > It > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > obvious to me that ancestors shape our spirituality. The sad > > > thing > > > > is > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > sometimes the assimilation is so thick that you can grow up > > around > > > > > > Indians and > > > > > > > > still not know your own spirituality. The beautiful thing is > > > > finding > > > > > > the few > > > > > > > > who have refused assimilation and are willing to share > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When non-Indian people ask to be allowed into the community it > > > > causes > > > > > us > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > question ourselves. Does community still exist? What are > they > > > here > > > > > to > > > > > > get? > > > > > > > > Are we really different from them? I think the great thing > about > > > > this > > > > > > reverse > > > > > > > > acculturation is that it is spurring some of us to re-embrace > > our > > > > own > > > > > > > > ancestors. It is removing the shame that our elders had to > live > > > > with. > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > shame had no place and that is becoming clear to new > > generations. > > > > If > > > > > we > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > influence people to live a balanced life then that is a great > > > thing. > > > > > > After > > > > > > > > all, our children and their children will have to live in a > > world > > > > > shaped > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > the parents. We can not afford to be selfish with principles > of > > > > > > balance. It > > > > > > > > seems that they need these principles much more than we do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > "Our spirituality" is not "just an idea" and it is not > something > > > we > > > > > went > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > class and learned somewhere, or got off the internet...it is > > born > > > in > > > > > us > > > > > > > > (which is obvious to those Indians who were raised surrounded > by > > a > > > > > white > > > > > > > > society) and a non-Indian may be able to learn from us some > > > things, > > > > > but > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > cannot "acquire" what they are not born with, and their > attempts > > > to > > > > > put > > > > > > > > themselves on an "equal footing", with Indians, so to speak, > is > > at > > > > > best > > > > > > > > futile...and at worst, an attempt at cultural theft... > > > > > > > > B. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:59 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall play devil's advocate again and expose my rear to > > > > everyone's > > > > > > > > slings > > > > > > > > > and arrows... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about those people who do not "want to be NA", but just > > > think > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > spirituality, philosophy and way of life is a good idea. > I've > > > had > > > > > > > > countless > > > > > > > > > elders tell me, "I don't care what kind of blood you have, > as > > > long > > > > > as > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > human". Just because an Anglo wants to practice our ways > > > because > > > > it > > > > > > works > > > > > > > > > for them, doesn't mean they deserve to be belittled by a > > > > derogatory > > > > > > name. > > > > > > > > > Are there really that many among us that are so arrogant to > do > > > so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did we ever get the idea that that we were so > exclusive? > > > > > Isn't > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > TRUE racism? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:45 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer, Where did the term come from? Arla > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Fay > > > > > > > > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no > > Indian > > > > > blood > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... 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Great words Elkdreamer!!!!!!!! It is so easy to misinterperet someone on this computer. Facial expressions are not seen on here. You can even tell in someone's eyes if they are kidding or not with you. Thanks so much for the words you have expressed as they are sooooooo true. Regards, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > Halito Jim > I am 57yrs old and Male. It is alright to argue with each other. That is > how we learn. Just remember that sometimes words come out wrong. When we are > writing we are not able to see each other face to face. Half of any language > is in the facial expressions so sometimes what we said isn't what we mean. > What we say to a person face to face come's out different because we know if > they are smilying or frowning etc: > Don't ever stop learning > Walk in Beauty > Elkdreamer > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:50:19 -0400 > > > >I am not inviting trouble with what I am going to say (I hope!!!). > >The list manager, Dusty, has not told me to cease. I have written Dusty IN > >PUBLIC telling that I would STOP if I was causing any trouble and was told > >I > >was doing nothing wrong!! > >I am not getting into a "Mud Slinging" thing on this or any other board. > >Regardless of who you say you are, what you say you are unless I KNOW YOU, > >I > >don't know for sure!! You maybe an elderly woman, a young girl or even a > >MALE!!! > >Jim > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:00 AM > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > > > > > > Now Jim > > > That was not a nice thing to say to someone. Remember everyone see's > > > thing's differently, that is the beauty of being Human. The difference's > >of > > > opinion and the decussion about it is what makes this Circle work. > > > Disagreement is alright, but with respect for each other. > > > Walk in Beauty > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > > >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 02:38:06 -0400 > > > > > > > >Don't worry. It is obvious that you do not concern yourself with > > > >intelligence. > > > >Jim > > > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Gemma West" <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 3:09 PM > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > > > > > > > > > > > > It should be clear to you that I don't concern myself with Webster's > > > > > definition of intelligence. If not then let me assure you of this > >fact. > > > > > > > > > > Frankly your whole demeanor on this list reeks of disrespect or > > > >playground > > > > > taunting. Your referral to people not choosing to name themselves > >afer > > > > > dolphins is just another in a long line of examples. But, of > >course, > >I > > > >may be > > > > > completely wrong. If you do indeed have Indian ancestors I hope that > > > >their > > > > > spirits prevail on you to change. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > Gemma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Get free email and a permanent address at > >http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > > >Nothing in the subject line... 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Hi Jim, Your a good man and all you need to say is please don't call me Sir cause I don't like that. Some people say it makes them feel old. I think its just respect for the other person. Each one of us has our own feelings and if we express them then things change. Its the holding back of feelings that make us loose it. It is so much better to talk out our feelings than to hold them in. Its like a sore that festers after a while it pops. If we take good care od it it will go away without hurting so bad. Have a blessed day Jim and thanks for calling me ma'am Regards, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 6:45 AM Subject: Re: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > Halito Jim > Good Words > Walk in Beauty > Elkdreamer > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:15:16 -0400 > > > >Hi Linda > >Thank you, ma'am! > >Jim > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Linda Branum" <mamalin@1s.net> > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 8:05 AM > >Subject: Re: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > Some people don't and if told my children and I will respect your > >wishes. > > > Regards, Linda > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:29 AM > > > Subject: Re: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > It all goes back to how you were raised and the degree of respect you > >were > > > > taught!! My father was in the military so I was raised to show respect > >for > > > > others, my elders and those of authority. Whether they deserved it or > > > not!!! > > > > > > > > Me? I dispise being called "Sir"!! > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Juli Kearns" <jmme@mindspring.com> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 2:49 PM > > > > Subject: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Good manners" are not necessarily "good manners" in another. I > >grew > >up > > > > in > > > > > the northwest and had never heard "Yes maam" and "No maam", "Yes > >sir" > > > and > > > > > "No sir". Not even when visiting relatives in the midwest had I > >heard > > > > > this. We moved to Ga when I was 10 and when I would say "Yes" to a > > > > > teacher, they would respond, "Yes, what?" And I would say, "No?" > >And > > > they > > > > > would say, "No, what?" I was without a clue and completely > >confused. > > > > What > > > > > in the world did they want me to say? When I was finally informed > >what > > > > was > > > > > going on, I considered it particularly rigorous, unsympathetic, and > > > > > ignorant on the part of these adults to not understand that regional > > > > > customs may just be that, regional. Indeed, in the situations in > >which > > > I > > > > > had grown up, the use of "Yes maam" etc. would have been suggestive > >to > > > the > > > > > ears of both pandering and subjugation. A simple yes or no was > >enough. > > > > > > > > > > What makes good manners is the spirit in which another individual is > > > > treated. > > > > > > > > > > Juli > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:06 PM 4/8/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > >I don't know if good manners are Indian ways or southern ways, but > >I > > > > raised > > > > > >my children up to say yes mam and no sir, etc. One of mine came > >home > > > > from > > > > > >school one day and said to me "what". I asked her if I needed to > >wash > > > > out > > > > > >her mouth or her ears and asked did she speak to her teachers that > >way > > > to > > > > > >which she responded, "Ms. Jones doesn't want me to call her Mam" to > > > which > > > > I > > > > > >said "Ms Jones can have no manners if she wishes but that option is > >not > > > > open > > > > > >to you, you will call anyone that is 20 years older than you mam > >or > > > > sir." > > > > > >Fay > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > Need more CHOCTAW information. Visit Rusty Lang's pages at > > > > http://www.choctaw-web.com for articles, censuses, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > >Need more CHOCTAW information. Visit Rusty Lang's pages at > >http://www.choctaw-web.com for articles, censuses, etc. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information?? 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Halito Jim I am 57yrs old and Male. It is alright to argue with each other. That is how we learn. Just remember that sometimes words come out wrong. When we are writing we are not able to see each other face to face. Half of any language is in the facial expressions so sometimes what we said isn't what we mean. What we say to a person face to face come's out different because we know if they are smilying or frowning etc: Don't ever stop learning Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:50:19 -0400 > >I am not inviting trouble with what I am going to say (I hope!!!). >The list manager, Dusty, has not told me to cease. I have written Dusty IN >PUBLIC telling that I would STOP if I was causing any trouble and was told >I >was doing nothing wrong!! >I am not getting into a "Mud Slinging" thing on this or any other board. >Regardless of who you say you are, what you say you are unless I KNOW YOU, >I >don't know for sure!! You maybe an elderly woman, a young girl or even a >MALE!!! >Jim > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:00 AM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > > > Now Jim > > That was not a nice thing to say to someone. Remember everyone see's > > thing's differently, that is the beauty of being Human. The difference's >of > > opinion and the decussion about it is what makes this Circle work. > > Disagreement is alright, but with respect for each other. > > Walk in Beauty > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 02:38:06 -0400 > > > > > >Don't worry. It is obvious that you do not concern yourself with > > >intelligence. > > >Jim > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Gemma West" <gemmawest@usa.net> > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 3:09 PM > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > > > > > > > > > It should be clear to you that I don't concern myself with Webster's > > > > definition of intelligence. If not then let me assure you of this >fact. > > > > > > > > Frankly your whole demeanor on this list reeks of disrespect or > > >playground > > > > taunting. Your referral to people not choosing to name themselves >afer > > > > dolphins is just another in a long line of examples. But, of >course, >I > > >may be > > > > completely wrong. If you do indeed have Indian ancestors I hope that > > >their > > > > spirits prevail on you to change. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Gemma > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get free email and a permanent address at >http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Choctaw Home Page: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Halito Jim Good Words Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:15:16 -0400 > >Hi Linda >Thank you, ma'am! >Jim > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Linda Branum" <mamalin@1s.net> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 8:05 AM >Subject: Re: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > Hi Jim, > > Some people don't and if told my children and I will respect your >wishes. > > Regards, Linda > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:29 AM > > Subject: Re: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > It all goes back to how you were raised and the degree of respect you >were > > > taught!! My father was in the military so I was raised to show respect >for > > > others, my elders and those of authority. Whether they deserved it or > > not!!! > > > > > > Me? I dispise being called "Sir"!! > > > Jim > > > > > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Juli Kearns" <jmme@mindspring.com> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 2:49 PM > > > Subject: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > "Good manners" are not necessarily "good manners" in another. I >grew >up > > > in > > > > the northwest and had never heard "Yes maam" and "No maam", "Yes >sir" > > and > > > > "No sir". Not even when visiting relatives in the midwest had I >heard > > > > this. We moved to Ga when I was 10 and when I would say "Yes" to a > > > > teacher, they would respond, "Yes, what?" And I would say, "No?" >And > > they > > > > would say, "No, what?" I was without a clue and completely >confused. > > > What > > > > in the world did they want me to say? When I was finally informed >what > > > was > > > > going on, I considered it particularly rigorous, unsympathetic, and > > > > ignorant on the part of these adults to not understand that regional > > > > customs may just be that, regional. Indeed, in the situations in >which > > I > > > > had grown up, the use of "Yes maam" etc. would have been suggestive >to > > the > > > > ears of both pandering and subjugation. A simple yes or no was >enough. > > > > > > > > What makes good manners is the spirit in which another individual is > > > treated. > > > > > > > > Juli > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:06 PM 4/8/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > > >I don't know if good manners are Indian ways or southern ways, but >I > > > raised > > > > >my children up to say yes mam and no sir, etc. One of mine came >home > > > from > > > > >school one day and said to me "what". I asked her if I needed to >wash > > > out > > > > >her mouth or her ears and asked did she speak to her teachers that >way > > to > > > > >which she responded, "Ms. Jones doesn't want me to call her Mam" to > > which > > > I > > > > >said "Ms Jones can have no manners if she wishes but that option is >not > > > open > > > > >to you, you will call anyone that is 20 years older than you mam >or > > > sir." > > > > >Fay > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > Need more CHOCTAW information. Visit Rusty Lang's pages at > > > http://www.choctaw-web.com for articles, censuses, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Need more CHOCTAW information. Visit Rusty Lang's pages at >http://www.choctaw-web.com for articles, censuses, etc. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Linda and Dusty, Linda, are you referring to the matriarchal (sp?) society? That's the way I understood your message, but don't know. Tsana ----- Original Message ----- From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Indian Heritage > Linda: > > Where did you get the information about the blacks not being allowed to > claim Indian blood if it was from their fathers? > > dusty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Linda Branum <mamalin@1s.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 12:20 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Indian Heritage > > > > Hi Jim, > > I do know that in some of the papers I have on my family members. We are > > Choctaw but my Great Uncle William Guynes married a Chickasaw woman and > > their children are listed in the Chickasaw rolls. > > If I am wrong please someone correct me. William is listed as 1/2 > Choctaw > > and Margaret James Guynes is listed as 3/4 Chickasaw. Its my understanding > > that the greater Indian blood line would be who the children are listed > > with. I have also heard that the children were listed with the mothers > side > > too. > > I think that is why there is such a problem with the black ancestors who > > had Indian fathers. They were listed with their mother who was black and > > can't claim their Indian rights. Does anyone know the law about this. If I > > stand corrected please feel free to correct me. > > I think this is wrong to not let them have their Indian Heritage but so > > many things were wrong back then. > > Linda Kirby Branum > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 4:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Were all Brothers and Sisters > > > > > > > Hate to "nit pick", but here is MY problem with the suggestion: > > > My great great grand mother MAY have been Chickasaw Indian from Gibson > > > County, TN. She was born 1837. > > > My great grand mother was almost without doubt Chocataw Indian from > > Chambers > > > County, AL. She was born 1856. > > > My grand mother was suppose to have been part Cherokee Indian from > Hayti, > > > MO. She was born 1907. > > > > > > If any of these women are on any of the "Final Rolls" or any of their > kin, > > I > > > have not been able to locate them!! Which "tribe" should I claim? > > > BTW > > > These are all my FATHER'S grand mothers. > > > Jim > > > > > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Linda Branum" <mamalin@1s.net> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 11:11 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Were all Brothers and Sisters > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dusty and all, > > > > I want to say that my brother looks full blood Indian but we are > just > > > > 1/32. I don't look a bit like and Indian but I have the same amt of > > blood > > > as > > > > he does. > > > > I feel the amt of Indian doesn't matter. We are all brothers and > > sisters > > > > just some of us have proof and others don't. > > > > I think we should all remember TOGETHER WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL. > All > > of > > > > us need to unite together and stop worring about how much blood we > have > > > but > > > > our people were all at one time full blood so who cares if you are > full > > or > > > > just a little. You are still my sister and brother and all are NA. > > > > Regards, Linda Kirby Branum > > > > > > > > (Guynes and Sain are my Indian heritage surnames) Guynes being > Choctaw > > > and > > > > documented and Sain Cherokee undocumented. But I feel ancestors > calling > > > from > > > > both!! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:29 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gemma and all: > > > > > > > > > > I am intrigued and challenged by your question, "Does the community > > > still > > > > > exist." I have pondered this question for many years and under many > > > > > different circumstances., and would like to get some feedback from > > other > > > > > listmembers. > > > > > > > > > > What is the state of the Indian community today..... > > > > > Specifically, WHAT IS AN INDIAN? Is it a matter of blood quantum? > > > > > Lifestyle? Beliefs? > > > > > > > > > > There can be no argument that there is definite predjudice among NA > as > > > to > > > > > "who is Indian" and who is not. There are "skins" and there are > > > "bloods". > > > > > Why the separation? What does it take to be considered "Indian > > enough". > > > > > Are some NAs practicing a racism they would decry in other races.? > > > Don't > > > > > quote me the government's definition of Indian, I'm well aware of > > that. > > > > > > > > > > I want the opinions of others on this list. > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: David and Tommie Marsters <haili65@proaxis.com> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:30 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well put, Gemma. I agree. > > > > > > Tommie > > > > > > > > > > > > Gemma West wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > What has happened for many people is that they wander through > life > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > figure out what is wrong...trying to figure out why they don't > fit > > > in. > > > > > > > Attempts are made to mold themselves into someone else's > > defintions > > > of > > > > > good > > > > > > > and bad. These attempts fail. Finally that person decides to > > look > > > to > > > > > their > > > > > > > ancestors. They find themselves. They finally feel > comfortable. > > > It > > > > is > > > > > > > obvious to all that ancestors shape our biological > > characteristics. > > > > It > > > > > is > > > > > > > obvious to me that ancestors shape our spirituality. The sad > > thing > > > is > > > > > that > > > > > > > sometimes the assimilation is so thick that you can grow up > around > > > > > Indians and > > > > > > > still not know your own spirituality. The beautiful thing is > > > finding > > > > > the few > > > > > > > who have refused assimilation and are willing to share > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When non-Indian people ask to be allowed into the community it > > > causes > > > > us > > > > > to > > > > > > > question ourselves. Does community still exist? What are they > > here > > > > to > > > > > get? > > > > > > > Are we really different from them? I think the great thing about > > > this > > > > > reverse > > > > > > > acculturation is that it is spurring some of us to re-embrace > our > > > own > > > > > > > ancestors. It is removing the shame that our elders had to live > > > with. > > > > > This > > > > > > > shame had no place and that is becoming clear to new > generations. > > > If > > > > we > > > > > can > > > > > > > influence people to live a balanced life then that is a great > > thing. > > > > > After > > > > > > > all, our children and their children will have to live in a > world > > > > shaped > > > > > by > > > > > > > the parents. We can not afford to be selfish with principles of > > > > > balance. It > > > > > > > seems that they need these principles much more than we do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> wrote: > > > > > > > "Our spirituality" is not "just an idea" and it is not something > > we > > > > went > > > > > to > > > > > > > class and learned somewhere, or got off the internet...it is > born > > in > > > > us > > > > > > > (which is obvious to those Indians who were raised surrounded by > a > > > > white > > > > > > > society) and a non-Indian may be able to learn from us some > > things, > > > > but > > > > > they > > > > > > > cannot "acquire" what they are not born with, and their attempts > > to > > > > put > > > > > > > themselves on an "equal footing", with Indians, so to speak, is > at > > > > best > > > > > > > futile...and at worst, an attempt at cultural theft... > > > > > > > B. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:59 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall play devil's advocate again and expose my rear to > > > everyone's > > > > > > > slings > > > > > > > > and arrows... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about those people who do not "want to be NA", but just > > think > > > > > our > > > > > > > > spirituality, philosophy and way of life is a good idea. I've > > had > > > > > > > countless > > > > > > > > elders tell me, "I don't care what kind of blood you have, as > > long > > > > as > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > human". Just because an Anglo wants to practice our ways > > because > > > it > > > > > works > > > > > > > > for them, doesn't mean they deserve to be belittled by a > > > derogatory > > > > > name. > > > > > > > > Are there really that many among us that are so arrogant to do > > so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did we ever get the idea that that we were so exclusive? > > > > Isn't > > > > > that > > > > > > > > TRUE racism? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: John & Arla Williams <jaws@crosstel.net> > > > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:45 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer, Where did the term come from? Arla > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:38 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Elkdreamer, twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halito Fay > > > > > > > > > > Mostly people that want to be N/A and really have no > Indian > > > > blood > > > > > at > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without > > the > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > Choctaw Home Page: > > > > > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at > > > > > > > http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Get free email and a permanent address at > > > > http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the > > > quotes > > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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Patsy, When someone says to hack an URL they mean to cut it back. Such as this. The original URL given was www.homestead.com/whitebuffalomiracle/miracle The page isn't found. But "hack" the URL back and the web site comes up: www.homestead.com/whitebuffalomiracle/ This is something to first do if you go to a page at a web site (as long as it's not the main index page) and find it's not there. Quite often if you hack down the URL you can find the web site and then go in and find if the page is still there...its name may have just been changed for instance. Juli At 07:57 PM 4/10/01 -0700, you wrote: >I have no idea what you are referring to. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Juli Kearns <jmme@mindspring.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 7:49 PM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo > > > > Hack back the URL and you'll find it: > > > > www.homestead.com/whitebuffalomiracle/ > > > > Juli > > > > At 09:21 PM 4/10/01 -0500, you wrote: > > >Getting message: page not found. > > >Kim > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: <LPSRLS@aol.com> > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:35 PM > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo > > > > > > > > > > For any one who wants to see the white buffalo Miracle . > > > > here's the site . > > > > www.homestead.com/whitebuffalomiracle/miracle > > > > Ron > >

Halito Jim, No offence but you seem agry to me... Sonja >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:50:19 -0400 > >I am not inviting trouble with what I am going to say (I hope!!!). >The list manager, Dusty, has not told me to cease. I have written Dusty IN >PUBLIC telling that I would STOP if I was causing any trouble and was told >I >was doing nothing wrong!! >I am not getting into a "Mud Slinging" thing on this or any other board. >Regardless of who you say you are, what you say you are unless I KNOW YOU, >I >don't know for sure!! You maybe an elderly woman, a young girl or even a >MALE!!! >Jim > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:00 AM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > > > Now Jim > > That was not a nice thing to say to someone. Remember everyone see's > > thing's differently, that is the beauty of being Human. The difference's >of > > opinion and the decussion about it is what makes this Circle work. > > Disagreement is alright, but with respect for each other. > > Walk in Beauty > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 02:38:06 -0400 > > > > > >Don't worry. It is obvious that you do not concern yourself with > > >intelligence. > > >Jim > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Gemma West" <gemmawest@usa.net> > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 3:09 PM > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > > > > > > > > > It should be clear to you that I don't concern myself with Webster's > > > > definition of intelligence. If not then let me assure you of this >fact. > > > > > > > > Frankly your whole demeanor on this list reeks of disrespect or > > >playground > > > > taunting. Your referral to people not choosing to name themselves >afer > > > > dolphins is just another in a long line of examples. But, of >course, >I > > >may be > > > > completely wrong. If you do indeed have Indian ancestors I hope that > > >their > > > > spirits prevail on you to change. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Gemma > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get free email and a permanent address at >http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Choctaw Home Page: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com