Thanks Elkdreamer. I have learned that from experince. Regards, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 10:09 PM Subject: Re: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] (Jim) > good words Linda > Walk in Beauty > Elkdreamer > > > >From: "Linda Branum" <mamalin@1s.net> > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] (Jim) > >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:52:10 -0500 > > > >Hi Jim, > > Your a good man and all you need to say is please don't call me Sir > >cause > >I don't like that. Some people say it makes them feel old. I think its just > >respect for the other person. Each one of us has our own feelings and if we > >express them then things change. Its the holding back of feelings that make > >us loose it. It is so much better to talk out our feelings than to hold > >them > >in. Its like a sore that festers after a while it pops. If we take good > >care > >od it it will go away without hurting so bad. > > Have a blessed day Jim and thanks for calling me ma'am > >Regards, Linda > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 6:45 AM > >Subject: Re: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > Halito Jim > > > Good Words > > > Walk in Beauty > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > >Subject: Re: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:15:16 -0400 > > > > > > > >Hi Linda > > > >Thank you, ma'am! > > > >Jim > > > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Linda Branum" <mamalin@1s.net> > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 8:05 AM > > > >Subject: Re: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > > Some people don't and if told my children and I will respect your > > > >wishes. > > > > > Regards, Linda > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:29 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It all goes back to how you were raised and the degree of respect > >you > > > >were > > > > > > taught!! My father was in the military so I was raised to show > >respect > > > >for > > > > > > others, my elders and those of authority. Whether they deserved it > >or > > > > > not!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Me? I dispise being called "Sir"!! > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > > > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Juli Kearns" <jmme@mindspring.com> > > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 2:49 PM > > > > > > Subject: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Good manners" are not necessarily "good manners" in another. I > > > >grew > > > >up > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the northwest and had never heard "Yes maam" and "No maam", "Yes > > > >sir" > > > > > and > > > > > > > "No sir". Not even when visiting relatives in the midwest had I > > > >heard > > > > > > > this. We moved to Ga when I was 10 and when I would say "Yes" > >to > >a > > > > > > > teacher, they would respond, "Yes, what?" And I would say, > >"No?" > > > >And > > > > > they > > > > > > > would say, "No, what?" I was without a clue and completely > > > >confused. > > > > > > What > > > > > > > in the world did they want me to say? When I was finally > >informed > > > >what > > > > > > was > > > > > > > going on, I considered it particularly rigorous, unsympathetic, > >and > > > > > > > ignorant on the part of these adults to not understand that > >regional > > > > > > > customs may just be that, regional. Indeed, in the situations > >in > > > >which > > > > > I > > > > > > > had grown up, the use of "Yes maam" etc. would have been > >suggestive > > > >to > > > > > the > > > > > > > ears of both pandering and subjugation. A simple yes or no was > > > >enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What makes good manners is the spirit in which another > >individual > >is > > > > > > treated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Juli > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:06 PM 4/8/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > > > >I don't know if good manners are Indian ways or southern ways, > >but > > > >I > > > > > > raised > > > > > > > >my children up to say yes mam and no sir, etc. One of mine > >came > > > >home > > > > > > from > > > > > > > >school one day and said to me "what". I asked her if I needed > >to > > > >wash > > > > > > out > > > > > > > >her mouth or her ears and asked did she speak to her teachers > >that > > > >way > > > > > to > > > > > > > >which she responded, "Ms. Jones doesn't want me to call her > >Mam" > >to > > > > > which > > > > > > I > > > > > > > >said "Ms Jones can have no manners if she wishes but that > >option > >is > > > >not > > > > > > open > > > > > > > >to you, you will call anyone that is 20 years older than you > >mam > > > >or > > > > > > sir." > > > > > > > >Fay > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > Need more CHOCTAW information. Visit Rusty Lang's pages at > > > > > > http://www.choctaw-web.com for articles, censuses, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the > >quotes > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > >Need more CHOCTAW information. 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Yes I do Elkdreamer, I feel that you are a very polite person. It is real important to respect everyone. That is what we all need to learn to do and this would be a much better place to live. Respect of all is so important. May your days be blessed, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Great Words Elkdreamer !!! > Chukma Linda > Do you notice that I always address the person that I am replying to and > sign my Name? that is to show respect also. > Walk in Beauty > Elkdreamer > > > > >From: "Linda Branum" <mamalin@1s.net> > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Great Words Elkdreamer !!! > >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:11:21 -0500 > > > >Great words Elkdreamer!!!!!!!! It is so easy to misinterperet someone on > >this computer. Facial expressions are not seen on here. > > You can even tell in someone's eyes if they are kidding or not with you. > > Thanks so much for the words you have expressed as they are sooooooo > >true. > >Regards, Linda > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 6:56 AM > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > > > > > > Halito Jim > > > I am 57yrs old and Male. It is alright to argue with each other. That > >is > > > how we learn. Just remember that sometimes words come out wrong. When we > >are > > > writing we are not able to see each other face to face. Half of any > >language > > > is in the facial expressions so sometimes what we said isn't what we > >mean. > > > What we say to a person face to face come's out different because we > >know > >if > > > they are smilying or frowning etc: > > > Don't ever stop learning > > > Walk in Beauty > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > > >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:50:19 -0400 > > > > > > > >I am not inviting trouble with what I am going to say (I hope!!!). > > > >The list manager, Dusty, has not told me to cease. I have written Dusty > >IN > > > >PUBLIC telling that I would STOP if I was causing any trouble and was > >told > > > >I > > > >was doing nothing wrong!! > > > >I am not getting into a "Mud Slinging" thing on this or any other > >board. > > > >Regardless of who you say you are, what you say you are unless I KNOW > >YOU, > > > >I > > > >don't know for sure!! You maybe an elderly woman, a young girl or even > >a > > > >MALE!!! > > > >Jim > > > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:00 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Jim > > > > > That was not a nice thing to say to someone. Remember everyone > >see's > > > > > thing's differently, that is the beauty of being Human. The > >difference's > > > >of > > > > > opinion and the decussion about it is what makes this Circle work. > > > > > Disagreement is alright, but with respect for each other. > > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > > > > >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 02:38:06 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > >Don't worry. It is obvious that you do not concern yourself with > > > > > >intelligence. > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: "Gemma West" <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 3:09 PM > > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It should be clear to you that I don't concern myself with > >Webster's > > > > > > > definition of intelligence. If not then let me assure you of > >this > > > >fact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frankly your whole demeanor on this list reeks of disrespect or > > > > > >playground > > > > > > > taunting. Your referral to people not choosing to name > >themselves > > > >afer > > > > > > > dolphins is just another in a long line of examples. But, of > > > >course, > > > >I > > > > > >may be > > > > > > > completely wrong. If you do indeed have Indian ancestors I hope > >that > > > > > >their > > > > > > > spirits prevail on you to change. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gemma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Get free email and a permanent address at > > > >http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > > >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the > >quotes > > > > > >Nothing in the subject line... 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LOL Me? Angry? I come into this world and the first thing that happens to me is some man wearing all white and wearing a mask slaps me!!!!! You bet I am angry!!! LOL ;=) Jim jmorsn@coastalnet.com http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sonja Tashman" <sonja_tashman@hotmail.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > Halito Jim, > No offence but you seem agry to me... > > Sonja > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:50:19 -0400 > > > >I am not inviting trouble with what I am going to say (I hope!!!). > >The list manager, Dusty, has not told me to cease. I have written Dusty IN > >PUBLIC telling that I would STOP if I was causing any trouble and was told > >I > >was doing nothing wrong!! > >I am not getting into a "Mud Slinging" thing on this or any other board. > >Regardless of who you say you are, what you say you are unless I KNOW YOU, > >I > >don't know for sure!! You maybe an elderly woman, a young girl or even a > >MALE!!! > >Jim > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:00 AM > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > > > > > > Now Jim > > > That was not a nice thing to say to someone. Remember everyone see's > > > thing's differently, that is the beauty of being Human. The difference's > >of > > > opinion and the decussion about it is what makes this Circle work. > > > Disagreement is alright, but with respect for each other. > > > Walk in Beauty > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > > >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 02:38:06 -0400 > > > > > > > >Don't worry. It is obvious that you do not concern yourself with > > > >intelligence. > > > >Jim > > > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Gemma West" <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 3:09 PM > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > > > > > > > > > > > > It should be clear to you that I don't concern myself with Webster's > > > > > definition of intelligence. If not then let me assure you of this > >fact. > > > > > > > > > > Frankly your whole demeanor on this list reeks of disrespect or > > > >playground > > > > > taunting. Your referral to people not choosing to name themselves > >afer > > > > > dolphins is just another in a long line of examples. But, of > >course, > >I > > > >may be > > > > > completely wrong. If you do indeed have Indian ancestors I hope that > > > >their > > > > > spirits prevail on you to change. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > Gemma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Get free email and a permanent address at > >http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > >Choctaw Home Page: > >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

Barbara I love it, please include in your next book. Our gnats here are nice friendly not biting kind. Worst we have are giant gallon-nipper skeeters, deerflies, & the ever vicious no-see-ums. Skin so soft works okay for most of them. Sometimes the deerflies get bad even out on the beaches. You'd think the wind off the water would keep them away. Barbs right if we did way from with them all something would be out of balance. Marcie

just wanted to share the story of my daughter sharing and honoring the history of the Choctaw Nation anyone interested can go to WWW.OklaChahta.org and look under letter's to the editor .My Daughter Cheyenne is also the ggggrandaughter of coleman E. Nelson as listed in The Rise and Fall of the Choctaw Nation . Yakoke to all.

patsy, the actual url is www.homestead.com/whitebuffalomiracle - Ron just added an extra / Tsana ----- Original Message ----- From: Patsy Caleb <studentarchaeologist@home.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo > i dont know but i couldnt find a white buffalo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <LPSRLS@aol.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 6:35 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] White Buffalo > > > > For any one who wants to see the white buffalo Miracle . > > here's the site . > > www.homestead.com/whitebuffalomiracle/miracle > > Ron > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

After the Civil War, when the army could turn its full attention to "the Indian problem" Generals Sherman (and the man's middle name was Tecumseh!) and Sheridan did the same thing. Their idea or their superiors? Does it really matter? Still later, Sheridan became an Indian agent out here on the Grande Ronde Rez. Believe it or not, the Indians said he was a very good agent. Seems the man was just really good at following whatever orders he was given. Tommie Dusty wrote: > If you're really looking for a good excuse to get angry though, try this > quote: > > In 1763 Lord Jeffrey Amherst, English Noble and Commander for whom the city > of Amherst, NJ is named, gave blankets from the smallpox hospital with the > orders, "Infect the Indians with sheets upon which the smallpox patients > have been lying, or by any other mens which will serve to exterminate this > accursed race." > > The Ft. Pitt Commander offered to parley with the Indians and make them > gifts of the blankets. (Pontiac's War-Ottawa) > > dusty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 8:48 PM > Subject: [CHAHTA] Official Indian Policy > > > Dennis: > > > > My suggestion to try the American State Papers was just a general > > suggestion, as there is so much documentation of America's Indian policy I > > thought that would be a good place to start. The quotes were from the > > sources listed below them as I recall (I've already deleted my letter) - > > most can be found in Angie Debo's book "The Rise and Fall of the Choctaw > > Republic" > > > > dusty > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:40 AM > > Subject: {not a subscriber} American State Papers > > > > > > > Halito, Dusty and Marcie (something here for both of you). > > > > > > Marcie, I trust this note will find you having had a good trip to > > Mississippi. > > > > > > Your Thomas Jefferson quotes from the American States Papers are most > > > interesting as they represent to my knowledge the first tangible > evidence > > > of anything approximating a US national policy aimed at removal of not > > only > > > the Choctaw, but all other members of the Five Civilized Tribes. > > > > > > I will guess that these quotations may be found in the Series or Class > 2. > > > volumes that concern Indian Affairs (1st Congress to 19th Congress, May > > 25, > > > 1789 to March 1, 1827). However, I do not know whether they are in > volume > > 1 > > > or volume 2. Do you happen to remember which volume they may be found > in? > > > > > > I am going to have to locate this volume and hope that it is available > on > > > inter-library loan. Where did you happen to find the volume containing > the > > > quotations. I sure have not been able to find this on the web. The only > > > volumes I am able to find seem to be located at Auburn University, > Samford > > > University in Birmingham; University of South Alabama, Mobile; > > > Jacksonsville State University, Sterne Library; University of West > > Alabama, > > > Julia Tutwiler LRC, Levington; University of North Alabama Library; > > > Combined Arms Research Library, Ft. Leavenworth and the University of > > > Toledo Libraries. > > > > > > I doubt that these are circulating volumes. By copy, Marcie, might you > > > please be able to do an OCLC search to see if these volumes circulate > from > > > any of these or other libraries? If you find that they do and will tell > > me > > > which one(s), then I should be able to order them on inter-library loan > > > through our library here in Folsom. > > > > > > By the way, Marcie, I think I have had good success in ordering some > > Bethel > > > Mission materials, including maps, from Southern Mississippi University > in > > > Hattiesburg. I will let you know when I receive them in a week or so. > You > > > may want to try the same approach on learning more about Perry's Stand. > If > > > you do, let me know and I will send you a name, email address, etc. of a > > > contact I have used for several years at USM. Their McCain Library staff > > is > > > very helpful. > > > > > > At 03:09 PM 04/09/2001 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Try the"American State Papers". Removal policy began with President > > Thomas > > > >Jefferson who said, "When we shall be full on this side, we may lay off > a > > > >range of States on the western bank (of the Mississippi River) fro the > > head > > > >to the mouth, and so, range after range, advancing compactly as we > > (whites) > > > >multiply." (Source: Thomas Jefferson to John Breckenridge, August 12, > > 1803). > > > > > > > >In a letter he wrote to Andrew Jackson Feb. 16, 1803 he asserted that > the > > > >primary reason for keeping Indian agents among the tribes was to obtain > > > >their land. He stated, ":Toward effecting this object we consider > > leading > > > >the Indians to agriculture....Where they shall cultivate small spots of > > > >earth and see how useless their extensive forests are, they will sell." > > > >Each Indian agent "shall be estimated by us in proportion to the > benefits > > he > > > >can obtain for us." He ended his letter with the demand that his > views > > "be > > > >pursued unremittingly." (Thomas Jefferson to Andrew Jackson, Feb.16, > 1803 > > > >from "The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Memorial Edition) > > > > > > > >Jefferson justified his position by claiming that vas lands were needed > > > >between the Appalachain Mts. and the Mississippi River "for defense", > > which > > > >he believed could only be possible with a large white population. He > > also > > > >used more odious methods of obtaining Indian lands, as enlarging the > > > >governments Indian "factories" in the various nations and encouraging > the > > > >Indians to buy more and more goods on credit. When the Indians' debts > > > >became so burdensome that they could not possibly pay the total bill, > the > > > >Indian agents were instructed to reveal that the United States > government > > > >would magnanimously liquidate the debts by accepting land cessions. > > > >(Source:" A Complilation of the Mesages and Papers of the Presidents", > > > >Wash.D.C., 1807) > > > > > > > >There have been VOLUMES written on the US governments Indian policies > > under > > > >its various presidents. Your local library can point you in the right > > > >direction to conduct your personal research. > > > > > > > >dusty > > > > > > Yakoke, Yakoke, > > > > > > Dennis K. Boswell > > > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > > > Folsom, CA 95630 > > > > > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > > > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures.......

it wuzzun me... :) B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Collins" <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS > You so bad! LOL > Kim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Ellison" <greybird7@pisp.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 8:36 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS > > > > <:O > > OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO--klahoma > > where the gnats-flies-skeeters are in styyyyyyyle > > where they feast on yer face > > til you look for a place > > you can go for awhiiiiiiiiile > > wheeeeere theeeeeey're nooooooooot!!!!!! :P > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kim Collins" <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 8:10 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS > > > > > > > Do you have these where you live? They appear as clouds some times cuz > > there > > > are so many in the swarm and there are all ways many swarms as well. > > > I do understand your reasoning, I think. Some thing like upsetting the > > > balance of nature..... I agree, don't want to eradicate them, just repel > > > them from my property so I can work in the garden and yard with out > > getting > > > eaten up by them. Here it's the gnats, then mosquitoes, then flies and > > > snakes you have to watch for. Coyotes are getting pretty brave as > well... > > > kids just saw one in the front yard. > > > I LOVE Oklahoma!!!!!!!! > > > Kim > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Barbara Ellison" <greybird7@pisp.net> > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:19 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS > > > > > > > > > > If they were completely done away with, the whole world would probably > > > > crumble...you never know.... :) > > > > B. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

You so bad! LOL Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Ellison" <greybird7@pisp.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS > <:O > OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO--klahoma > where the gnats-flies-skeeters are in styyyyyyyle > where they feast on yer face > til you look for a place > you can go for awhiiiiiiiiile > wheeeeere theeeeeey're nooooooooot!!!!!! :P > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Collins" <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 8:10 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS > > > > Do you have these where you live? They appear as clouds some times cuz > there > > are so many in the swarm and there are all ways many swarms as well. > > I do understand your reasoning, I think. Some thing like upsetting the > > balance of nature..... I agree, don't want to eradicate them, just repel > > them from my property so I can work in the garden and yard with out > getting > > eaten up by them. Here it's the gnats, then mosquitoes, then flies and > > snakes you have to watch for. Coyotes are getting pretty brave as well... > > kids just saw one in the front yard. > > I LOVE Oklahoma!!!!!!!! > > Kim > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Barbara Ellison" <greybird7@pisp.net> > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:19 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS > > > > > > > If they were completely done away with, the whole world would probably > > > crumble...you never know.... :) > > > B. > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

Halito Leah Very Pretty Daughter ,Tell her I send her a very special prayer. For seven Generations Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: chinywood@aol.com >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CHAHTA] Teaching the children >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:46:03 EDT > >just wanted to share the story of my daughter sharing and honoring the >history of the Choctaw Nation anyone interested can go to >WWW.OklaChahta.org >and look under letter's to the editor .My Daughter Cheyenne is also the >ggggrandaughter of coleman E. Nelson as listed in The Rise and Fall of the >Choctaw Nation . > Yakoke to all. > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

*bowing, blowing kisses, saying thankyouthankyou* Don't know the rest of it....never was a favorite song so I only absorbed the sound of the first part cause it was sorta loud, and only the first 3 words ..."Oklahoma where the"....??? :) B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Choctaw" <choctaw@bscn.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS > Ode to the Bugs :) That was good Barbara, as soon as I saw it, I started > reading to tune of OOOklahoma :) Good job, where are the other verses LOL > Shelley > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

Ode to the Bugs :) That was good Barbara, as soon as I saw it, I started reading to tune of OOOklahoma :) Good job, where are the other verses LOL Shelley

If you're really looking for a good excuse to get angry though, try this quote: In 1763 Lord Jeffrey Amherst, English Noble and Commander for whom the city of Amherst, NJ is named, gave blankets from the smallpox hospital with the orders, "Infect the Indians with sheets upon which the smallpox patients have been lying, or by any other mens which will serve to exterminate this accursed race." The Ft. Pitt Commander offered to parley with the Indians and make them gifts of the blankets. (Pontiac's War-Ottawa) dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: Dusty <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 8:48 PM Subject: [CHAHTA] Official Indian Policy > Dennis: > > My suggestion to try the American State Papers was just a general > suggestion, as there is so much documentation of America's Indian policy I > thought that would be a good place to start. The quotes were from the > sources listed below them as I recall (I've already deleted my letter) - > most can be found in Angie Debo's book "The Rise and Fall of the Choctaw > Republic" > > dusty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:40 AM > Subject: {not a subscriber} American State Papers > > > > Halito, Dusty and Marcie (something here for both of you). > > > > Marcie, I trust this note will find you having had a good trip to > Mississippi. > > > > Your Thomas Jefferson quotes from the American States Papers are most > > interesting as they represent to my knowledge the first tangible evidence > > of anything approximating a US national policy aimed at removal of not > only > > the Choctaw, but all other members of the Five Civilized Tribes. > > > > I will guess that these quotations may be found in the Series or Class 2. > > volumes that concern Indian Affairs (1st Congress to 19th Congress, May > 25, > > 1789 to March 1, 1827). However, I do not know whether they are in volume > 1 > > or volume 2. Do you happen to remember which volume they may be found in? > > > > I am going to have to locate this volume and hope that it is available on > > inter-library loan. Where did you happen to find the volume containing the > > quotations. I sure have not been able to find this on the web. The only > > volumes I am able to find seem to be located at Auburn University, Samford > > University in Birmingham; University of South Alabama, Mobile; > > Jacksonsville State University, Sterne Library; University of West > Alabama, > > Julia Tutwiler LRC, Levington; University of North Alabama Library; > > Combined Arms Research Library, Ft. Leavenworth and the University of > > Toledo Libraries. > > > > I doubt that these are circulating volumes. By copy, Marcie, might you > > please be able to do an OCLC search to see if these volumes circulate from > > any of these or other libraries? If you find that they do and will tell > me > > which one(s), then I should be able to order them on inter-library loan > > through our library here in Folsom. > > > > By the way, Marcie, I think I have had good success in ordering some > Bethel > > Mission materials, including maps, from Southern Mississippi University in > > Hattiesburg. I will let you know when I receive them in a week or so. You > > may want to try the same approach on learning more about Perry's Stand. If > > you do, let me know and I will send you a name, email address, etc. of a > > contact I have used for several years at USM. Their McCain Library staff > is > > very helpful. > > > > At 03:09 PM 04/09/2001 -0500, you wrote: > > >Try the"American State Papers". Removal policy began with President > Thomas > > >Jefferson who said, "When we shall be full on this side, we may lay off a > > >range of States on the western bank (of the Mississippi River) fro the > head > > >to the mouth, and so, range after range, advancing compactly as we > (whites) > > >multiply." (Source: Thomas Jefferson to John Breckenridge, August 12, > 1803). > > > > > >In a letter he wrote to Andrew Jackson Feb. 16, 1803 he asserted that the > > >primary reason for keeping Indian agents among the tribes was to obtain > > >their land. He stated, ":Toward effecting this object we consider > leading > > >the Indians to agriculture....Where they shall cultivate small spots of > > >earth and see how useless their extensive forests are, they will sell." > > >Each Indian agent "shall be estimated by us in proportion to the benefits > he > > >can obtain for us." He ended his letter with the demand that his views > "be > > >pursued unremittingly." (Thomas Jefferson to Andrew Jackson, Feb.16, 1803 > > >from "The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Memorial Edition) > > > > > >Jefferson justified his position by claiming that vas lands were needed > > >between the Appalachain Mts. and the Mississippi River "for defense", > which > > >he believed could only be possible with a large white population. He > also > > >used more odious methods of obtaining Indian lands, as enlarging the > > >governments Indian "factories" in the various nations and encouraging the > > >Indians to buy more and more goods on credit. When the Indians' debts > > >became so burdensome that they could not possibly pay the total bill, the > > >Indian agents were instructed to reveal that the United States government > > >would magnanimously liquidate the debts by accepting land cessions. > > >(Source:" A Complilation of the Mesages and Papers of the Presidents", > > >Wash.D.C., 1807) > > > > > >There have been VOLUMES written on the US governments Indian policies > under > > >its various presidents. Your local library can point you in the right > > >direction to conduct your personal research. > > > > > >dusty > > > > Yakoke, Yakoke, > > > > Dennis K. Boswell > > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > > Folsom, CA 95630 > > > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

ONe tablespoon is applie cider vinegar a day is supposed to have the same effect. A lot of the old people used to give their horses and mules vinegar every day to keep off bugs. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: Sonja Tashman <sonja_tashman@hotmail.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > Neve heard of using pure vanilla extract but then I have never had a prob > with ANY kind of insect bite...I have always been fond of eating garlic and > have been told that insects are also repelled by this. Something about the > garlic being in a persons sweat or something along those lines *S*. > > Sonja > > > >From: "Kim Collins" <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:30:12 -0500 > > > >Tried vanilla extract tonight (pure) and it seems to work. They would land > >on me and take off fast. Didn't get bitten once. > >Do you have them in CA too? > >Kim > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Dennis Boswell" <dennisb@primenet.com> > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 7:18 PM > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > > > > Let me know if it works, Kim. > > > > > > > > > At 07:08 PM 04/10/2001 -0500, you wrote: > > > >I'm going to try vanilla extract and see if it works. > > > >Kim > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Jane" <jlittledeer@webtv.net> > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 4:33 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deer flies are like the Buffalo gnats, they bite and they are really > >bad > > > > > pests. I am allergic to them and I have found nothing that will > >repel > > > > > them from around me. > > > > > > > > > > Little Deer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to > >the > > > >list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > > > >CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > >Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at > > > >http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Dennis K. Boswell > > > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > > > Folsom, CA 95630 > > > > > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > > > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the > >list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > >CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > >Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com >

Dennis: My suggestion to try the American State Papers was just a general suggestion, as there is so much documentation of America's Indian policy I thought that would be a good place to start. The quotes were from the sources listed below them as I recall (I've already deleted my letter) - most can be found in Angie Debo's book "The Rise and Fall of the Choctaw Republic" dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Boswell <dennisb@primenet.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:40 AM Subject: {not a subscriber} American State Papers > Halito, Dusty and Marcie (something here for both of you). > > Marcie, I trust this note will find you having had a good trip to Mississippi. > > Your Thomas Jefferson quotes from the American States Papers are most > interesting as they represent to my knowledge the first tangible evidence > of anything approximating a US national policy aimed at removal of not only > the Choctaw, but all other members of the Five Civilized Tribes. > > I will guess that these quotations may be found in the Series or Class 2. > volumes that concern Indian Affairs (1st Congress to 19th Congress, May 25, > 1789 to March 1, 1827). However, I do not know whether they are in volume 1 > or volume 2. Do you happen to remember which volume they may be found in? > > I am going to have to locate this volume and hope that it is available on > inter-library loan. Where did you happen to find the volume containing the > quotations. I sure have not been able to find this on the web. The only > volumes I am able to find seem to be located at Auburn University, Samford > University in Birmingham; University of South Alabama, Mobile; > Jacksonsville State University, Sterne Library; University of West Alabama, > Julia Tutwiler LRC, Levington; University of North Alabama Library; > Combined Arms Research Library, Ft. Leavenworth and the University of > Toledo Libraries. > > I doubt that these are circulating volumes. By copy, Marcie, might you > please be able to do an OCLC search to see if these volumes circulate from > any of these or other libraries? If you find that they do and will tell me > which one(s), then I should be able to order them on inter-library loan > through our library here in Folsom. > > By the way, Marcie, I think I have had good success in ordering some Bethel > Mission materials, including maps, from Southern Mississippi University in > Hattiesburg. I will let you know when I receive them in a week or so. You > may want to try the same approach on learning more about Perry's Stand. If > you do, let me know and I will send you a name, email address, etc. of a > contact I have used for several years at USM. Their McCain Library staff is > very helpful. > > At 03:09 PM 04/09/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >Try the"American State Papers". Removal policy began with President Thomas > >Jefferson who said, "When we shall be full on this side, we may lay off a > >range of States on the western bank (of the Mississippi River) fro the head > >to the mouth, and so, range after range, advancing compactly as we (whites) > >multiply." (Source: Thomas Jefferson to John Breckenridge, August 12, 1803). > > > >In a letter he wrote to Andrew Jackson Feb. 16, 1803 he asserted that the > >primary reason for keeping Indian agents among the tribes was to obtain > >their land. He stated, ":Toward effecting this object we consider leading > >the Indians to agriculture....Where they shall cultivate small spots of > >earth and see how useless their extensive forests are, they will sell." > >Each Indian agent "shall be estimated by us in proportion to the benefits he > >can obtain for us." He ended his letter with the demand that his views "be > >pursued unremittingly." (Thomas Jefferson to Andrew Jackson, Feb.16, 1803 > >from "The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Memorial Edition) > > > >Jefferson justified his position by claiming that vas lands were needed > >between the Appalachain Mts. and the Mississippi River "for defense", which > >he believed could only be possible with a large white population. He also > >used more odious methods of obtaining Indian lands, as enlarging the > >governments Indian "factories" in the various nations and encouraging the > >Indians to buy more and more goods on credit. When the Indians' debts > >became so burdensome that they could not possibly pay the total bill, the > >Indian agents were instructed to reveal that the United States government > >would magnanimously liquidate the debts by accepting land cessions. > >(Source:" A Complilation of the Mesages and Papers of the Presidents", > >Wash.D.C., 1807) > > > >There have been VOLUMES written on the US governments Indian policies under > >its various presidents. Your local library can point you in the right > >direction to conduct your personal research. > > > >dusty > > Yakoke, Yakoke, > > Dennis K. Boswell > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > Folsom, CA 95630 > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > >

<:O OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO--klahoma where the gnats-flies-skeeters are in styyyyyyyle where they feast on yer face til you look for a place you can go for awhiiiiiiiiile wheeeeere theeeeeey're nooooooooot!!!!!! :P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Collins" <2buckets@arbuckleonline.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS > Do you have these where you live? They appear as clouds some times cuz there > are so many in the swarm and there are all ways many swarms as well. > I do understand your reasoning, I think. Some thing like upsetting the > balance of nature..... I agree, don't want to eradicate them, just repel > them from my property so I can work in the garden and yard with out getting > eaten up by them. Here it's the gnats, then mosquitoes, then flies and > snakes you have to watch for. Coyotes are getting pretty brave as well... > kids just saw one in the front yard. > I LOVE Oklahoma!!!!!!!! > Kim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Ellison" <greybird7@pisp.net> > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS > > > > If they were completely done away with, the whole world would probably > > crumble...you never know.... :) > > B. > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

Tried vanilla extract tonight (pure) and it seems to work. They would land on me and take off fast. Didn't get bitten once. Do you have them in CA too? Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Boswell" <dennisb@primenet.com> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > Let me know if it works, Kim. > > > At 07:08 PM 04/10/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >I'm going to try vanilla extract and see if it works. > >Kim > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jane" <jlittledeer@webtv.net> > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 4:33 PM > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS!! HELP!!!!!!! > > > > > > > Deer flies are like the Buffalo gnats, they bite and they are really bad > > > pests. I am allergic to them and I have found nothing that will repel > > > them from around me. > > > > > > Little Deer > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the > >list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at > >CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > >Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at > >http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > > > Regards, > > Dennis K. Boswell > 301 Crow Canyon Drive > Folsom, CA 95630 > > Tel: (916) 987-3599 > Fax: (916) 987-3555 > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Got a GRIPE?? Got a PROBLEM?? Just wanna' WHINE? Don't post it to the list...write me, dusty (list administrator) at CHAHTA-L-admin@cultures.rootsweb.com > >

Chukma Linda Do you notice that I always address the person that I am replying to and sign my Name? that is to show respect also. Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: "Linda Branum" <mamalin@1s.net> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Great Words Elkdreamer !!! >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:11:21 -0500 > >Great words Elkdreamer!!!!!!!! It is so easy to misinterperet someone on >this computer. Facial expressions are not seen on here. > You can even tell in someone's eyes if they are kidding or not with you. > Thanks so much for the words you have expressed as they are sooooooo >true. >Regards, Linda >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 6:56 AM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > > > Halito Jim > > I am 57yrs old and Male. It is alright to argue with each other. That >is > > how we learn. Just remember that sometimes words come out wrong. When we >are > > writing we are not able to see each other face to face. Half of any >language > > is in the facial expressions so sometimes what we said isn't what we >mean. > > What we say to a person face to face come's out different because we >know >if > > they are smilying or frowning etc: > > Don't ever stop learning > > Walk in Beauty > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:50:19 -0400 > > > > > >I am not inviting trouble with what I am going to say (I hope!!!). > > >The list manager, Dusty, has not told me to cease. I have written Dusty >IN > > >PUBLIC telling that I would STOP if I was causing any trouble and was >told > > >I > > >was doing nothing wrong!! > > >I am not getting into a "Mud Slinging" thing on this or any other >board. > > >Regardless of who you say you are, what you say you are unless I KNOW >YOU, > > >I > > >don't know for sure!! You maybe an elderly woman, a young girl or even >a > > >MALE!!! > > >Jim > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:00 AM > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > > > > > > > > > Now Jim > > > > That was not a nice thing to say to someone. Remember everyone >see's > > > > thing's differently, that is the beauty of being Human. The >difference's > > >of > > > > opinion and the decussion about it is what makes this Circle work. > > > > Disagreement is alright, but with respect for each other. > > > > Walk in Beauty > > > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > > > >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 02:38:06 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >Don't worry. It is obvious that you do not concern yourself with > > > > >intelligence. > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Gemma West" <gemmawest@usa.net> > > > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 3:09 PM > > > > >Subject: [CHAHTA] Jim, Never ending quest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It should be clear to you that I don't concern myself with >Webster's > > > > > > definition of intelligence. If not then let me assure you of >this > > >fact. > > > > > > > > > > > > Frankly your whole demeanor on this list reeks of disrespect or > > > > >playground > > > > > > taunting. Your referral to people not choosing to name >themselves > > >afer > > > > > > dolphins is just another in a long line of examples. But, of > > >course, > > >I > > > > >may be > > > > > > completely wrong. If you do indeed have Indian ancestors I hope >that > > > > >their > > > > > > spirits prevail on you to change. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > Gemma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Get free email and a permanent address at > > >http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the >quotes > > > > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L genealogy mail list: > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the >quotes > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > >Choctaw Home Page: > > >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: > > Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... 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Do you have these where you live? They appear as clouds some times cuz there are so many in the swarm and there are all ways many swarms as well. I do understand your reasoning, I think. Some thing like upsetting the balance of nature..... I agree, don't want to eradicate them, just repel them from my property so I can work in the garden and yard with out getting eaten up by them. Here it's the gnats, then mosquitoes, then flies and snakes you have to watch for. Coyotes are getting pretty brave as well... kids just saw one in the front yard. I LOVE Oklahoma!!!!!!!! Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Ellison" <greybird7@pisp.net> To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] GNATS > If they were completely done away with, the whole world would probably > crumble...you never know.... :) > B.

good words Linda Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer >From: "Linda Branum" <mamalin@1s.net> >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] (Jim) >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:52:10 -0500 > >Hi Jim, > Your a good man and all you need to say is please don't call me Sir >cause >I don't like that. Some people say it makes them feel old. I think its just >respect for the other person. Each one of us has our own feelings and if we >express them then things change. Its the holding back of feelings that make >us loose it. It is so much better to talk out our feelings than to hold >them >in. Its like a sore that festers after a while it pops. If we take good >care >od it it will go away without hurting so bad. > Have a blessed day Jim and thanks for calling me ma'am >Regards, Linda >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Elkdreamer Wilkins" <elkdremr@hotmail.com> >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 6:45 AM >Subject: Re: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > Halito Jim > > Good Words > > Walk in Beauty > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > >Reply-To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:15:16 -0400 > > > > > >Hi Linda > > >Thank you, ma'am! > > >Jim > > > > > >jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > >http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Linda Branum" <mamalin@1s.net> > > >To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 8:05 AM > > >Subject: Re: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > Some people don't and if told my children and I will respect your > > >wishes. > > > > Regards, Linda > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <jmorsn@coastalnet.com> > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:29 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > It all goes back to how you were raised and the degree of respect >you > > >were > > > > > taught!! My father was in the military so I was raised to show >respect > > >for > > > > > others, my elders and those of authority. Whether they deserved it >or > > > > not!!! > > > > > > > > > > Me? I dispise being called "Sir"!! > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > jmorsn@coastalnet.com > > > > > http://www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Juli Kearns" <jmme@mindspring.com> > > > > > To: <CHAHTA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 2:49 PM > > > > > Subject: Yes and no ma'am Re: [CHAHTA] twinkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Good manners" are not necessarily "good manners" in another. I > > >grew > > >up > > > > > in > > > > > > the northwest and had never heard "Yes maam" and "No maam", "Yes > > >sir" > > > > and > > > > > > "No sir". Not even when visiting relatives in the midwest had I > > >heard > > > > > > this. We moved to Ga when I was 10 and when I would say "Yes" >to >a > > > > > > teacher, they would respond, "Yes, what?" And I would say, >"No?" > > >And > > > > they > > > > > > would say, "No, what?" I was without a clue and completely > > >confused. > > > > > What > > > > > > in the world did they want me to say? When I was finally >informed > > >what > > > > > was > > > > > > going on, I considered it particularly rigorous, unsympathetic, >and > > > > > > ignorant on the part of these adults to not understand that >regional > > > > > > customs may just be that, regional. Indeed, in the situations >in > > >which > > > > I > > > > > > had grown up, the use of "Yes maam" etc. would have been >suggestive > > >to > > > > the > > > > > > ears of both pandering and subjugation. A simple yes or no was > > >enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > What makes good manners is the spirit in which another >individual >is > > > > > treated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Juli > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:06 PM 4/8/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > > >I don't know if good manners are Indian ways or southern ways, >but > > >I > > > > > raised > > > > > > >my children up to say yes mam and no sir, etc. One of mine >came > > >home > > > > > from > > > > > > >school one day and said to me "what". I asked her if I needed >to > > >wash > > > > > out > > > > > > >her mouth or her ears and asked did she speak to her teachers >that > > >way > > > > to > > > > > > >which she responded, "Ms. Jones doesn't want me to call her >Mam" >to > > > > which > > > > > I > > > > > > >said "Ms Jones can have no manners if she wishes but that >option >is > > >not > > > > > open > > > > > > >to you, you will call anyone that is 20 years older than you >mam > > >or > > > > > sir." > > > > > > >Fay > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > > Need more CHOCTAW information. Visit Rusty Lang's pages at > > > > > http://www.choctaw-web.com for articles, censuses, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Home Page: > > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L Genealogy mail list: > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the >quotes > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > >Need more CHOCTAW information. Visit Rusty Lang's pages at > > >http://www.choctaw-web.com for articles, censuses, etc. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at >http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Need more CHOCTAW information?? Visit Judy White's pages at >http://accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, data, etc. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com