Hi Danny, Crazy Crow is a very good place to buy beads and hair pipe... you get better prices when buying in bulk also. I have their #15 catalog sitting here, so if you need anything looked up I will be happy to check prices for you. Since it is not on their web page. I have bought from them and have always been satisfied. There are a lot of good ones out there too, like Jami said. Markie At 09:09 PM 02/05/2000 EST, you wrote: >Danny >There are hundreds of bead sellers online. >Here is a good one: > <A HREF="http://www.texoma.com/cctp/">Crazy Crow Trading Post</A> >http://www.texoma.com/cctp/ > >Here's a good general bead related site with tons of links: BeadNet >http://www.mcs.net/~simone/beadnet.html > > >>can anyone tell me where to find hair pipe beads and quills in bulk >quanitys >thanks >danny >

Danny There are hundreds of bead sellers online. Here is a good one: <A HREF="http://www.texoma.com/cctp/">Crazy Crow Trading Post</A> http://www.texoma.com/cctp/ Here's a good general bead related site with tons of links: BeadNet http://www.mcs.net/~simone/beadnet.html

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Me three, see ya in class Theresa Harrison, Liaison Okla Chahta Clan of CA Inc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Markie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Language Classes online > Hi Ellen, > > Thanks for all the information. I guess I would have just sit here wating > for them to answer my e-mail. haha... I called and I'm "registered" too, so > I'll see you in class. > > A little more info. in case anyone needs it. Mrs. Thomas told me that at > this time, they can not accept credit cards, so you will need to send a > check or money order in the amount of $22.00 for the workbook and tapes. > Send it to the following address, with a note that it is for the workbook > and two tapes for the language classes. > > Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma > P. O. Drawer 1210 > Durant, OK 74702-1210 > > hachi pisa (to see all of you) > Markie > > > At 07:43 PM 01/31/2000 -0600, you wrote: > >Hi List! > > > >Call Lillie Roberts at 1-800-522-6170 Ex 2340.or 5152. It seems that we > must call the 800 number to register or sign up for the Choctaw Language > Classes.The information must be turned in by February 16,2000. Include in > the info is 1)name 2) Email address or some other information to receive > you username and password: connection type and speed of your modem. > > > >You will need a PC with speakers and a sound card. > > > >The times of broadcast are: (Central Standard Time) > > > >Monday-Thursday > >10:00-11:00 a.m. > >History and Culture > > > >1:00-2:00 pm > >Beginning Choctaw Grammar > >Thursday > >6:00-&:7:00 pm > >A review of the week's lessons > > > >Recommended materials for the class are Chahta Anumpa Aiimabvchi Holisso > and Beginning Lesson Audiotapes which can be purchased through the > Language Dept. The cost of the book and tape set is $22.00. No postage and > handling. > > > >The language instructor is Alestinne Thomas, who is a fluent speaker and > teaches three community classes. > > > >To attend Choctaw Language Class, you can log on to www.choctawnation.com > and click on the line reading "Language Classes" > > > >History and Culture will be offered for four weeks. Grammar will be > offered for 16 weeks > > > >The Choctaw Nations states E=hachi Pisachike (We will all see you). > > > >This entire article is direct from the January 2000 issue of the Bishinik. > > > >Good luck and I hope to met you online. > >Ellen > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

Hi Ellen, Thanks for all the information. I guess I would have just sit here wating for them to answer my e-mail. haha... I called and I'm "registered" too, so I'll see you in class. A little more info. in case anyone needs it. Mrs. Thomas told me that at this time, they can not accept credit cards, so you will need to send a check or money order in the amount of $22.00 for the workbook and tapes. Send it to the following address, with a note that it is for the workbook and two tapes for the language classes. Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma P. O. Drawer 1210 Durant, OK 74702-1210 hachi pisa (to see all of you) Markie At 07:43 PM 01/31/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Hi List! > >Call Lillie Roberts at 1-800-522-6170 Ex 2340.or 5152. It seems that we must call the 800 number to register or sign up for the Choctaw Language Classes.The information must be turned in by February 16,2000. Include in the info is 1)name 2) Email address or some other information to receive you username and password: connection type and speed of your modem. > >You will need a PC with speakers and a sound card. > >The times of broadcast are: (Central Standard Time) > >Monday-Thursday >10:00-11:00 a.m. >History and Culture > >1:00-2:00 pm >Beginning Choctaw Grammar >Thursday >6:00-&:7:00 pm >A review of the week's lessons > >Recommended materials for the class are Chahta Anumpa Aiimabvchi Holisso and Beginning Lesson Audiotapes which can be purchased through the Language Dept. The cost of the book and tape set is $22.00. No postage and handling. > >The language instructor is Alestinne Thomas, who is a fluent speaker and teaches three community classes. > >To attend Choctaw Language Class, you can log on to www.choctawnation.com and click on the line reading "Language Classes" > >History and Culture will be offered for four weeks. Grammar will be offered for 16 weeks > >The Choctaw Nations states E=hachi Pisachike (We will all see you). > >This entire article is direct from the January 2000 issue of the Bishinik. > >Good luck and I hope to met you online. >Ellen >

Hi List! Call Lillie Roberts at 1-800-522-6170 Ex 2340.or 5152. It seems that we must call the 800 number to register or sign up for the Choctaw Language Classes.The information must be turned in by February 16,2000. Include in the info is 1)name 2) Email address or some other information to receive you username and password: connection type and speed of your modem. You will need a PC with speakers and a sound card. The times of broadcast are: (Central Standard Time) Monday-Thursday 10:00-11:00 a.m. History and Culture 1:00-2:00 pm Beginning Choctaw Grammar Thursday 6:00-&:7:00 pm A review of the week's lessons Recommended materials for the class are Chahta Anumpa Aiimabvchi Holisso and Beginning Lesson Audiotapes which can be purchased through the Language Dept. The cost of the book and tape set is $22.00. No postage and handling. The language instructor is Alestinne Thomas, who is a fluent speaker and teaches three community classes. To attend Choctaw Language Class, you can log on to www.choctawnation.com and click on the line reading "Language Classes" History and Culture will be offered for four weeks. Grammar will be offered for 16 weeks The Choctaw Nations states E=hachi Pisachike (We will all see you). This entire article is direct from the January 2000 issue of the Bishinik. Good luck and I hope to met you online. Ellen

Forwarded to list: >Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 08:15:22 -0800 (PST) >From: Silmon Margie Civ OC-ALC/LIP <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] > >Yakoke! It is very good that there are others (Choctaws) keeping a close >eye on the various type people writing books on Native Americans just to >make a buck or two. Unfortunately, a lot of our elders' stories, who would >have known more, wasn't documented because of prejudice & racism at the time >most needed. I think it wise though to read all and make up your own mind. >I do have one of Clara Tidwell's books-very informative and believable. It >helped me pinpoint an area my ancestors came from with the various "choctaw >names" in the different districts. > >Am interested in the two Bands from Louisana. What are names? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Graywolf [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 8:57 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] California Gathering > > >Well, my old copy was falling apart too so I had it rebound (cost three >times what I paid for the book originally) with my name embossed on the >cover. Now when I loan it out people always return it! > >I have to confess though that I am very cautious about accepting Angi Debo's >work completely. A lot of her research was not done with traditionalists in >the tribe who still remembered the verbal histories; but was from Nahoops >(whoops) Nahollos or non-Indian anthropologists. And I don't trust the work >of anthropologists any further than I can throw a buffalo. > >No one has mentioned some outstanding works such as The Choctaw before >Removal by Carolyn Keller Reeves, University Press of Mississippi; The >Choctaws, A Critical Bibliography by Clara Sue Kidwell and Charles Roberts, >The Newberry Library Center for the History of the American Indian >Bibliographical Series, Indiana University Press; and The Choctaw People by >W. David Baird, Indian Tribal Series: Phoenix. > >This last book contains some exceptional photographs made at the turn of the >century and before of the Choctaw Indians of Oklahoma along with some >fantastic maps. The Choctaw before Removal contains some very special photos >of the Louisiana and Mississippi that I had never seen before. > >By the way, is everyone aware that there are TWO BANDS of Choctaws in >Louisiana? > >Lucas Graywolf >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Gee" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 3:19 PM >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] California Gathering > > >> Markie: >> My copy is only about five years old but it is aso very tattered. It has >so >> much information in it. All of Angi Debo's books are good reading for >> anyone who is researching their native roots from the South. >> Pat >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Markie <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 11:05 AM >> Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] California Gathering >> >> >> > Hi Lucus, >> > >> > Yes, this helps. Every little bit helps, in some way, in hunting our >> > ancestors. These are very good references also. My poor copy of Angi >> > Debo's "Rise and Fall of the Choctaw Republic, is about 25 years old, >and >> > falling apart. It's about time for a new one. :) >> > >> > Thank you >> > Markie >> > >> > >> > At 01:03 PM 01/28/2000 -0600, you wrote: >> > > Markie, >> > > >> > >Jesse O. McKee, Anthropologist from the University of Southern >> Mississippi >> > >wrote in his book, THE CHOCTAWS, >> > > >> > >"Children were frequently named after some event that occurred at the >> time >> > >they were born. Later in life, a Choctaw was given another name as a >> result >> > >of some adventure, exploit, or personal characteristic. A speech or a >> > >ceremony sometimes accompanied the granting of this second name." >> > > >> > >Angie Debow, in the RISE AND FALL OF THE CHOCTAW REPUBLIC wrote: >> > > >> > >"Choctaw children were usually named after animals or for some incident >> > >connected with their birth. Later in life they received new names as a >> > >recognition of some special achievement, or from some incident or >> > >adventure." >> > > >> > >Hope this answers your question. >> > > >> > >Lucas Graywolf >> > >

You're Welcome, Theres"e"!! Goodness, I glad we don't get graded for spelling!! LOL At 10:59 PM 01/30/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Yakoke Markie > >Theresa Harrison, Liaison >Okla Chahta Clan of CA Inc >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Markie" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 10:26 PM >Subject: [CHAHTA] RE: California Gathering----From Markie > > >> Halito List Members, >> >> Because we have so many new members here, I though I would post the >> information on the California Gathering again in case someone missed it. >> >> I know that lots of you have questions and you would like to know the >> answers. No matter how basic you think it might be. Some of us did not >> grow up with our Choctaw culture and are now trying to learn. Things as >> simple as "what kind of houses our ancestors lived in?".... "what did they >> cook in?" (Ok so I'm a woman, and that comes to mind first <G>) What are >> some of our legends, like the "Little People, Bohpuli" that lived in the >> forest? We had them also. Then in todays society..... What is the >> traditional ways of a gathering? What goes on? If you were going to >the >> gathering in Ca., or even Labor Day in OK., what are the things that you >> would want to know about so you wouldn't do the wrong thing. These are >> things off the top of my head, so don't pay any attention to what I might >> say... hahaha >> >> If you don't want to post them in public here, then you can write to >> Therese in private, but put "California Gathering" as the subject line!!! >> Since I'm thinking about it, please check your subject line, and if it >> doesn't pertain to the California Gathering, please change it so that it >> pertains to your message and what you are talking about. >> >> I'm involved in putting on a pow wow here each year in Sept. and believe >> me, the closer it gets, you are running in a hundred different directions >> at the same time. So time is very limited. With "California Gathering" >> as the subject line, Theresa can read those messages "first"... Thank you. >:) >> >> Here's your chance to ask the Elders, and Tribal Leaders, everything you >> ever wanted to know about your Choctaw heritage. >> >> Yokoke >> Markie >> >> Repost:********** >> Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:45:36 -0800 >> From: "Harrison" <[email protected]> >> >> We are planning our 5th Annual California Choctaw Gathering here in >> Bakersfield. We have panel discussions and "break out" class where people >> can learn things about the Choctaw traditions. This year we are trying to >> figure out interesting subject matter and questions for the panel >> discussions & I thought that to ask the people on this site, people who >are >> looking, need to know more, etc. what type of subjects would be of the >most >> interest to them as well as what kind of questions they would find >> interesting. (Sometimes our leaders come up with stuff, that is >interesting >> to them, however, because they are all well steeped in the culture they >may >> bypass the simplest of questions those who are not have.) Like giving >steak >> to a baby who still needs formula ;-). >> >> So I wanted to Pose this question to the group: If you were here at the >> gathering, what questions you would want to ask, as well as what subject >> matter they would find interesting? >> >> Yakoke, >> >> Theresa Harrison, Liaison >> Okla Chahta Clan of CA Inc >> >> >> >> >> ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >> Home Page: >> http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm >> Choctaw Chat: >> http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/chat.htm >> >> > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >To Unsubscribe: >Send msg. to [email protected] >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > >

Halito List Members, Because we have so many new members here, I though I would post the information on the California Gathering again in case someone missed it. I know that lots of you have questions and you would like to know the answers. No matter how basic you think it might be. Some of us did not grow up with our Choctaw culture and are now trying to learn. Things as simple as "what kind of houses our ancestors lived in?".... "what did they cook in?" (Ok so I'm a woman, and that comes to mind first <G>) What are some of our legends, like the "Little People, Bohpuli" that lived in the forest? We had them also. Then in todays society..... What is the traditional ways of a gathering? What goes on? If you were going to the gathering in Ca., or even Labor Day in OK., what are the things that you would want to know about so you wouldn't do the wrong thing. These are things off the top of my head, so don't pay any attention to what I might say... hahaha If you don't want to post them in public here, then you can write to Therese in private, but put "California Gathering" as the subject line!!! Since I'm thinking about it, please check your subject line, and if it doesn't pertain to the California Gathering, please change it so that it pertains to your message and what you are talking about. I'm involved in putting on a pow wow here each year in Sept. and believe me, the closer it gets, you are running in a hundred different directions at the same time. So time is very limited. With "California Gathering" as the subject line, Theresa can read those messages "first"... Thank you. :) Here's your chance to ask the Elders, and Tribal Leaders, everything you ever wanted to know about your Choctaw heritage. Yokoke Markie Repost:********** Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:45:36 -0800 From: "Harrison" <[email protected]> We are planning our 5th Annual California Choctaw Gathering here in Bakersfield. We have panel discussions and "break out" class where people can learn things about the Choctaw traditions. This year we are trying to figure out interesting subject matter and questions for the panel discussions & I thought that to ask the people on this site, people who are looking, need to know more, etc. what type of subjects would be of the most interest to them as well as what kind of questions they would find interesting. (Sometimes our leaders come up with stuff, that is interesting to them, however, because they are all well steeped in the culture they may bypass the simplest of questions those who are not have.) Like giving steak to a baby who still needs formula ;-). So I wanted to Pose this question to the group: If you were here at the gathering, what questions you would want to ask, as well as what subject matter they would find interesting? Yakoke, Theresa Harrison, Liaison Okla Chahta Clan of CA Inc

Well I guess that is better than what some people call me ;-D Theresa Harrison, Liaison Okla Chahta Clan of CA Inc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Markie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] RE: California Gathering----From Markie > You're Welcome, Theres"e"!! > Goodness, I glad we don't get graded for spelling!! LOL > > > At 10:59 PM 01/30/2000 -0800, you wrote: > >Yakoke Markie > > > >Theresa Harrison, Liaison > >Okla Chahta Clan of CA Inc > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Markie" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 10:26 PM > >Subject: [CHAHTA] RE: California Gathering----From Markie > > > > > >> Halito List Members, > >> > >> Because we have so many new members here, I though I would post the > >> information on the California Gathering again in case someone missed it. > >> > >> I know that lots of you have questions and you would like to know the > >> answers. No matter how basic you think it might be. Some of us did not > >> grow up with our Choctaw culture and are now trying to learn. Things as > >> simple as "what kind of houses our ancestors lived in?".... "what did they > >> cook in?" (Ok so I'm a woman, and that comes to mind first <G>) What are > >> some of our legends, like the "Little People, Bohpuli" that lived in the > >> forest? We had them also. Then in todays society..... What is the > >> traditional ways of a gathering? What goes on? If you were going to > >the > >> gathering in Ca., or even Labor Day in OK., what are the things that you > >> would want to know about so you wouldn't do the wrong thing. These are > >> things off the top of my head, so don't pay any attention to what I might > >> say... hahaha > >> > >> If you don't want to post them in public here, then you can write to > >> Therese in private, but put "California Gathering" as the subject line!!! > >> Since I'm thinking about it, please check your subject line, and if it > >> doesn't pertain to the California Gathering, please change it so that it > >> pertains to your message and what you are talking about. > >> > >> I'm involved in putting on a pow wow here each year in Sept. and believe > >> me, the closer it gets, you are running in a hundred different directions > >> at the same time. So time is very limited. With "California Gathering" > >> as the subject line, Theresa can read those messages "first"... Thank you. > >:) > >> > >> Here's your chance to ask the Elders, and Tribal Leaders, everything you > >> ever wanted to know about your Choctaw heritage. > >> > >> Yokoke > >> Markie > >> > >> Repost:********** > >> Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:45:36 -0800 > >> From: "Harrison" <[email protected]> > >> > >> We are planning our 5th Annual California Choctaw Gathering here in > >> Bakersfield. We have panel discussions and "break out" class where people > >> can learn things about the Choctaw traditions. This year we are trying to > >> figure out interesting subject matter and questions for the panel > >> discussions & I thought that to ask the people on this site, people who > >are > >> looking, need to know more, etc. what type of subjects would be of the > >most > >> interest to them as well as what kind of questions they would find > >> interesting. (Sometimes our leaders come up with stuff, that is > >interesting > >> to them, however, because they are all well steeped in the culture they > >may > >> bypass the simplest of questions those who are not have.) Like giving > >steak > >> to a baby who still needs formula ;-). > >> > >> So I wanted to Pose this question to the group: If you were here at the > >> gathering, what questions you would want to ask, as well as what subject > >> matter they would find interesting? > >> > >> Yakoke, > >> > >> Theresa Harrison, Liaison > >> Okla Chahta Clan of CA Inc > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > >> Home Page: > >> http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > >> Choctaw Chat: > >> http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/chat.htm > >> > >> > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > >To Unsubscribe: > >Send msg. to [email protected] > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

Yakoke Markie Theresa Harrison, Liaison Okla Chahta Clan of CA Inc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Markie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 10:26 PM Subject: [CHAHTA] RE: California Gathering----From Markie > Halito List Members, > > Because we have so many new members here, I though I would post the > information on the California Gathering again in case someone missed it. > > I know that lots of you have questions and you would like to know the > answers. No matter how basic you think it might be. Some of us did not > grow up with our Choctaw culture and are now trying to learn. Things as > simple as "what kind of houses our ancestors lived in?".... "what did they > cook in?" (Ok so I'm a woman, and that comes to mind first <G>) What are > some of our legends, like the "Little People, Bohpuli" that lived in the > forest? We had them also. Then in todays society..... What is the > traditional ways of a gathering? What goes on? If you were going to the > gathering in Ca., or even Labor Day in OK., what are the things that you > would want to know about so you wouldn't do the wrong thing. These are > things off the top of my head, so don't pay any attention to what I might > say... hahaha > > If you don't want to post them in public here, then you can write to > Therese in private, but put "California Gathering" as the subject line!!! > Since I'm thinking about it, please check your subject line, and if it > doesn't pertain to the California Gathering, please change it so that it > pertains to your message and what you are talking about. > > I'm involved in putting on a pow wow here each year in Sept. and believe > me, the closer it gets, you are running in a hundred different directions > at the same time. So time is very limited. With "California Gathering" > as the subject line, Theresa can read those messages "first"... Thank you. :) > > Here's your chance to ask the Elders, and Tribal Leaders, everything you > ever wanted to know about your Choctaw heritage. > > Yokoke > Markie > > Repost:********** > Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:45:36 -0800 > From: "Harrison" <[email protected]> > > We are planning our 5th Annual California Choctaw Gathering here in > Bakersfield. We have panel discussions and "break out" class where people > can learn things about the Choctaw traditions. This year we are trying to > figure out interesting subject matter and questions for the panel > discussions & I thought that to ask the people on this site, people who are > looking, need to know more, etc. what type of subjects would be of the most > interest to them as well as what kind of questions they would find > interesting. (Sometimes our leaders come up with stuff, that is interesting > to them, however, because they are all well steeped in the culture they may > bypass the simplest of questions those who are not have.) Like giving steak > to a baby who still needs formula ;-). > > So I wanted to Pose this question to the group: If you were here at the > gathering, what questions you would want to ask, as well as what subject > matter they would find interesting? > > Yakoke, > > Theresa Harrison, Liaison > Okla Chahta Clan of CA Inc > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > Choctaw Chat: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/chat.htm > >

Markie, Your story of the man talking to you in Chahta and your wishing you could answer him in Chahta reminded me of someting I'll never forget. Back in the summer I attended a PowWow here, and was VERY forunate to meet a wonderful Chahta man. When I was introduced to him, my friend told him I was wanting to learn the Chahta language. He smiled at me and said "Halito chim achukma" and I without hesitation answered with "A, chishnato". He smiled at me with a smile I"ll never forget. A smile of approval from an elder!! That is the extend of my conversing in Chahta, but it was such a feeling!!! I've had Charlie Jones' tapes for a couple of years and listend to them off and on. I go thru phases of determination to work on the language. This man spent the biggest part of the day saying words and having me repeat them over an over. This helped me so much as he corrected the way I was saying things. I hope to see this wonderful gentleman again. I'd love to spend more time with him. Back to why I wrote this. The first time you actually "converse" with someone in Chahta I hope you feel the connection like I did that day. Shelley

well...Chata would not say all those words to begin with in one sentence...and english is not straightly backward from Chata...it's not that simple...why don't you come over and post the same question on our message board, and maybe Neal will make an appearance and explain it..he's the ikhananchi and tho I'm doing ok..he still can explain a lot better (and more accurately) than me...we'd love to have you and Lucas and whoever else...I want to say there is already some reference to sentences on our language pages..but we have been so busy with other stuff so we have not added anything to them lately, and I flat don't remember what all is there... :) Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Markie <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, January 30, 2000 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Choctaw Language >Barbara, > >I have listened to the Choctaw Tapes so much, I feel like Charlie Jones, is >a family member!! LOL > >I have trouble with making the sound for words like, >ahni (ah-a-neh) =to think >tohbi (toe-i-beh)=white >mahil (nah-i-leh)=to blow >hlampko (thlanp-ko / thamp-ko)=strong > >my tongue just won't make those sounds... it gets tongue tied I guess... <G> > >Ok, in writing it, do you write in the same form as English? Or Choctaw? > >Example: >English: >"those three big green sassafras trees" >Choctaw: >Iti kafi okchamali hochito tuchina mat >Trees sassafras green big three those > >So do you learn to write everything in the Choctaw way? > >You KNOW I'm copying that right out of the book!! <G> > >Markie > >At 04:43 PM 01/30/2000 -0600, you wrote: >>The only way to learn Chata is to use it a lot..which with so few speakers >>(relatively speaking) makes that difficult...but writing it is better than >>nothing..I mean, you CAN communicate that way. And that's what is so good >>about the internet..more people can participate and learn quite a lot. Then >>if they are near where they can take the language classes in their >>communities, they have an easier time of it. >>Barbara > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >To Unsubscribe: >Send msg. to [email protected] >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

Barbara, I have listened to the Choctaw Tapes so much, I feel like Charlie Jones, is a family member!! LOL I have trouble with making the sound for words like, ahni (ah-a-neh) =to think tohbi (toe-i-beh)=white mahil (nah-i-leh)=to blow hlampko (thlanp-ko / thamp-ko)=strong my tongue just won't make those sounds... it gets tongue tied I guess... <G> Ok, in writing it, do you write in the same form as English? Or Choctaw? Example: English: "those three big green sassafras trees" Choctaw: Iti kafi okchamali hochito tuchina mat Trees sassafras green big three those So do you learn to write everything in the Choctaw way? You KNOW I'm copying that right out of the book!! <G> Markie At 04:43 PM 01/30/2000 -0600, you wrote: >The only way to learn Chata is to use it a lot..which with so few speakers >(relatively speaking) makes that difficult...but writing it is better than >nothing..I mean, you CAN communicate that way. And that's what is so good >about the internet..more people can participate and learn quite a lot. Then >if they are near where they can take the language classes in their >communities, they have an easier time of it. >Barbara

Lucus, Speaking of spelling...... look down a little way at my last post! "MIND".... LOL It's supposed to be one of "MINE" Have no fear, I can sure bear with you... I can't spell "or" speak Choctaw!! But I'm trying. <G> I had a man come up to me at the Bell pow wow in Stilwell last year. He was shaking my hand and just a'talking in Choctaw... I wanted so bad to be able to answer him back. Of course he knows that I don't know how!! I don't have a clue what he was saying, but he was smiling and laughing... hahaha Markie At 05:00 PM 01/30/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Markie, Someone rightly corrected my spelling and I will send you the >corrected copy tomorrow. I grew up speaking choctaw but never learned to >spell any of the words. Bear with me on this. > >Lucas > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Markie" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 1:35 PM >Subject: [CHAHTA] Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Prayers > > >> Oh, Lucus, >> >> Yokoke, for that. I loved my horses so. One of mind is buried out in my >> side yard. >> >> Blessings to you >> Markie >> >> PS... I wrote this before the discussion started, but no matter how it is >> spelled, it still touched my heart. >> >> At 04:39 PM 01/29/2000 -0600, you wrote: >> >Mafolk, Isuba hapi alakofi. >> > >> >Grandfather creator, protect our horses. >> > >> >Lucas Graywolf >> >

>Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 15:11:31 -0800 >From: "Graywolf" <[email protected]> > >Markie, > >I encourage you to get all the books on the tribe that you can. If you can >get an interlibrary loan on any of them, do so and photocopy them for your >files. Someday they will be important to you or to some one you are trying >to help. > >Also, on the choctaw language, I just got a copy yesterday of a very old >book called the Choctaw Dictionary by David Gardner published years ago by >the Oklahoma City Council of Choctaws. That may still be available >somewhere. > >Lucas > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Markie" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 1:09 PM >Subject: [CHAHTA] Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] History through books & Pow Wow's > > >> Hi Lucas, >> >> I tried Amazon.com last night, and all of these books are out of print. >> I'll check our library and see if we have them, but if not, maybe a >> Interlibrary loan will work. I would really like to read them. I ordered >> ..... "And Still the Waters Run : The Betrayal of the Five Civilized >> Tribes" Angie Debo;..... I have been meaning to get this one for a while >> so I did. >> >> Also, "History of the Choctaw, Chickasaw and Natchez Indians " >> H. B. Cushman(Editor), I don't have this one either. >> >> My husband just bought me "The Historic Indian Tribes of Louisiana". I >> love books! <G> This has a good bit of information on the Bayou LaComb >> Choctaw in it. I'm stll reading it now. >> >> I guess I will have to wait a while before I can get the Choctaw >Dictionary >> tho... at $69.00, That will have to wait for a bit longer. <G> >> >> No, Ebarb is still waiting. I'm not sure where the status is at now. I >go >> to all the Pow Wows there too!! Cool! We have probably seen each other >> and didn't know it! I know quite a lot of the people from there as I see >> them all the time around in this area. A bunch of us were just at the >> Greenville Pow Wow a few weeks ago. >> >> I have never researched the Jena Band because in all of my researching, >> nothing ever led me that direction. I've been doing genealogy for 31 >> years, so I reckon no one there belongs to me. <G> Darn it! >> >> Chi Pisa >> Markie >>

Markie, Someone rightly corrected my spelling and I will send you the corrected copy tomorrow. I grew up speaking choctaw but never learned to spell any of the words. Bear with me on this. Lucas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Markie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 1:35 PM Subject: [CHAHTA] Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Prayers > Oh, Lucus, > > Yokoke, for that. I loved my horses so. One of mind is buried out in my > side yard. > > Blessings to you > Markie > > PS... I wrote this before the discussion started, but no matter how it is > spelled, it still touched my heart. > > At 04:39 PM 01/29/2000 -0600, you wrote: > >Mafolk, Isuba hapi alakofi. > > > >Grandfather creator, protect our horses. > > > >Lucas Graywolf > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 3:49 AM > >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] California Gathering > > > > > >> What is the name for Horse? I love to ride. > >> > >> Carmen > >> > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > Choctaw Chat: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/chat.htm >

Yeeeeehaaaaaaa!!!!! :) Piece of cake. -----Original Message----- From: Markie <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, January 30, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: [CHAHTA] JIM THORPE WON!!!!!!! > Hot from my living room E-mail!! > > >JIM THORPE WON!!!!! YEAH FOR US!!!!!!! > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >To Unsubscribe: >Send msg. to [email protected] >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

The only way to learn Chata is to use it a lot..which with so few speakers (relatively speaking) makes that difficult...but writing it is better than nothing..I mean, you CAN communicate that way. And that's what is so good about the internet..more people can participate and learn quite a lot. Then if they are near where they can take the language classes in their communities, they have an easier time of it. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Markie <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, January 30, 2000 1:37 PM Subject: [CHAHTA] Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Choctaw Language >Barbara, > >This reminds me of South Louisiana. I read where there are over 200 >different dialects spoken in S. La. alone. I guess when you mix everyone >up, French, Spanish, English, Canadian, then throw in some, Choctaw, >Chitimacha, Houma, Bayougoula, Alabama, Choushatta, Biloxi, and Tunica, you >"really" have some different sounds, and the language goes with it. It is >strange, even for me, to go to the Pow Wow in SE La. and hear everyone >speaking with a Cajun accent. And most of them are Choctaw descendants. >I lived in New Orleans for 8 years, and believe me, sometimes it's hard to >understand when they are speaking english! <G> And they thought I had an >accent! They would beg me to say "Shreveport", and then fall down laughing >at me!! > >I understand what you are talking about tho. especially when the written >Choctaw language is dependant on the Byington dictionary. > >But then I spell everything like it sounds.... "very COUNTRY"... maybe >that's the reason I have so much trouble learning Choctaw, I can't talk >English. <LOL> > >Markie > >At 08:51 AM 01/30/2000 -0600, you wrote: >>Well..I DID say mafolk and amafo and thought it might be that it was more or >>less the same word...as I said, I have been studying it for about a year, >>and this is one of the problems we have been coming up against...all the >>different ways people have changed the language over the years. Even the >>teachers, who all have spoken Chata all their lives, have trouble deciding >>which words to use for what and how to pronounce some of them. Mississippi >>Chata is some different from how we speak in OKlahoma, and even here, you >>can hear it one way right where I live, then go down the road 50 miles and >>hear it different...such is the legacy of the european invasion...but if we >>are going to preserve the Chata language, we have to get it together and >>standardize it, because if we don't, we can't teach it to enough people to >>keep it from dying...We are using the Byington dictionary, which I believe >>was published around 1909, sometime after it's writer passed on. He worked >>among the Chata people for about 50 years, and he had a grammer of the Chata >>language published in 1871...As for the spelling of words..that's another >>problem, since Chata was NOT a written language, some of us feel that the >>words should be spelled the way they sound, period. I mean, since we are >>having to use letters from a non-Chata language..might as well make it as >>easy as possible to learn...I hope you will come visit our site at >>http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/greybird7/index.html >>Chi pisa >>Barbara >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Graywolf <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>Date: Sunday, January 30, 2000 8:11 AM >>Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] California Gathering >> >> >>>I've been speaking Choctaw all my life and what I say may not be spelled >>>with your "correct" modern Choctaw. Pronounce Mafolk and amafo and see how >>>they sound. My great grandmother also pronounced it "mafok." You are >>correct >>>on hapi. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Barbara Ellison" <[email protected]> >>>To: <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 7:04 PM >>>Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] California Gathering >>> >>> >>>> Hmmm...I've only been studying Chata for a little over one year, and I >>>know >>>> there are different dialects, but you have used some words I have not >>>seen, >>>> and some others that ...well..hapi is salt in Chata...ANd grandfather is >>>> Amafo....Are you maybe mixing Chata and something else? >>>> Barbara >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Graywolf <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:01 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] California Gathering >>>> >>>> >>>> >Mafolk, Isuba hapi alakofi. >>>> > >>>> >Grandfather creator, protect our horses. >>>> > >>>> >Lucas Graywolf >>>> > >>>> >----- Original Message ----- >>>> >From: <[email protected]> >>>> >To: <[email protected]> >>>> >Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 3:49 AM >>>> >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] California Gathering >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> What is the name for Horse? I love to ride. >>>> >> >>>> >> Carmen >>>> >> >>>> >> Ron Hawkins wrote: >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Markie, according to several sources, including a story in Bishinik, >>>it >>>> >was >>>> >> > a common practice for the men to change their names at various times >>>in >>>> >> > their lives. One of the simpler changes was the addition of >>"tubbee" >>>> or >>>> >> > "tubi" (depending on how you wish to spell it) which meant "killer." >>>> At >>>> >the >>>> >> > time (before the 20th century), this was meant to designate a >>>warrior, >>>> >and >>>> >> > that the warrior had killed in battle. A Choctaw warrior was proud >>>to >>>> >add >>>> >> > it to his name. Another addition was often the "A" that is found in >>>> >some of >>>> >> > the old names, such as Apushimataha (tubi) which was Pushmataha's >>>full >>>> >name >>>> >> > when he became chief. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Ron >>>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >> > From: "Markie" <[email protected]> >>>> >> > To: <[email protected]> >>>> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 8:25 PM >>>> >> > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] California Gathering >>>> >> > >>>> >> > > Hi Theresa, >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > I have a question. I read on one of the Choctaw msg. boards, that >>>> the >>>> >> > > Choctaw people named their self after they were big enough to pick >>>> >their >>>> >> > > own name, they sometimes, could/did, change it many times >>through >>>> >out >>>> >> > > their life. Or at least some of them did. Is this true? If so, >>>> then >>>> >it >>>> >> > > could be a possibility on some of our brick walls? >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > If not.... what are the Choctaw Traditional way of giving names to >>>> >babies? >>>> >> > > Was it for life? <G> >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > And I sure wish I didn't live so far from California!!! Come on >>>> >folks... >>>> >> > > there has to be lots of questions that you have always wanted to >>>ask! >>>> >I'm >>>> >> > > making my list, and checking it twice! For all of us who can not >>>> >make >>>> >> > the >>>> >> > > gathering, are you going to post the answers here?? heeheehee >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > <running and ducking> >>>> >> > > Markie >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > At 09:54 PM 01/25/2000 -0800, you wrote: >>>> >> > > >I everyone, I ask Markie if it would be alright to post this & >>got >>>> >her >>>> >> > > hoke so here goes. >>>> >> > > > >>>> >> > > >We are planning our 5th Annual California Choctaw Gathering here >>>in >>>> >> > > Bakersfield. We have panel discussions and "break out" class where >>>> >people >>>> >> > > can learn things about the Choctaw traditions. This year we are >>>> trying >>>> >to >>>> >> > > figure out interesting subject matter and questions for the panel >>>> >> > > discussions & I thought that to ask the people on this site, >>people >>>> >who >>>> >> > are >>>> >> > > looking, need to know more, etc. what type of subjects would be of >>>> the >>>> >> > most >>>> >> > > interest to them as well as what kind of questions they would find >>>> >> > > interesting. (Sometimes our leaders come up with stuff, that is >>>> >> > interesting >>>> >> > > to them, however, because they are all well steeped in the culture >>>> >they >>>> >> > may >>>> >> > > bypass the simplest of questions those who are not have.) 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