Markie You asked me what/who I was searching for and I gave you those names. Did you have any luck with any of them? Will this qualify me? I am 44 years old and for as long as I can remeber I have been most comfortable in Levi jeans, t-shirt and tennis shoes. <BG> :) At 04:49 PM 5/26/00 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Jim, > >I'm sorry, I didnt' mean to give you the wrong impression. <very big smile> > I was just trying to get all conversation moved over to the Chahta list. >This way, the Choctaw Southeast list can stick mainly to genealogy >researching questions. You know... names... dates... places, .. etc. >Pretty much the bare facts. That is boring for some people, but some >people like it that way. One list for genealogy, and one list for >everything else. My hope is to "try" and make everyone happy. The people >who like to do more talking than others can do it here, and also be >subscribed to the Choctaw Southeast list to place their queries, and read >others queries hoping to make a family connection. > >No, your questions were not to contraversal at all. Here we can have great >question and answer sessions, or friendly debats about anything that we >want to learn about. Ask any questions, or anything, without disturbing >the people who don't have as much computer time as we do maybe. If anyone >wants to join in on any of our discussions, they are just going to have to >come on over here with us and do it!! <G> > >To tell the truth, I wish I had started this list first. THEN moved the >"genealogy queries" over to the other list. It's much harder to do it the >other way around. Everyone started talking on the other list first, and >now it's almost impossible to get them to move over here! I keep trying >to say... "Head'em up and move'em on over".. but no one listens?? We >have 101 members on this list. I can't figure out why no one ever talks >here where it's OK??? LOL > >>I am a "wannaknow" > >I think we all fall under this title! I know I do, or I wouldn't be here >at all. :) > >Thank you >Markie > >At 01:12 PM 05/25/2000 -0400, you wrote: >>Carol Jean: >> >>Markie subscribed me to this to get me off the Choctaw-Southeast-L (I guess >>she felt my opinions/questions were too contraversal!!). I was going to stay >>quiet here, but I agree with you in certain points. >> >>I am not a "wannabe" Indian, rather I am a "wannaknow" if I am. I am not >>interested in the benefits because I never knew of any for being Indian. I >>know nothing about being a "card carring" Indian. >> >>I am the Family "Historian" for my family. There are a few others in the >>family who are researching, but I seem to be the only active researcher. I >>have a second cousin who is married to a "Full Blood" name Jerry Lynn CHEE. >>Her sister, my father, my sister and myself all beleive/feel we have Indian >>ties. I have been chosen/appointed/volunteered to find the connection!! >> >>Thank you for letting me "spill my guts"!! > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >To Unsubscribe: >Send msg. to [email protected] >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > Jim Morrison, Jr. [email protected] www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/

In a message dated 5/26/00 11:12:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << I have also found evidence of good friends or good family helping both African and Native Americans "pass" for white. For anyone that anticipated the relocations, etc or later decided to remain where they were or move elsewhere but not relocate - there was advantage/need to "pass". Education, employment, rate of wages, property ownership etc. can make a difference. Some individuals and families of the Five Civilized Tribes purposely protected Freedmen by adopting them as members, into family and tribal groups. In reviewing information in censuses, it seems this was also the case with some of the non-Native families too. When there was intermarriage or "co-mingling", passing would be a reasonable choice, if possible. (I would imagine that there were a range of thoughts and feelings when the Federal government later forced them to list AA as members of tribal groups.) If caught in attempting to "pass" the consequences could be extreme for everyone involved, (especially so in Louisiana from what I've read). I believe there was high costs paid by everyone; regardless of their thoughts or the decisions they made re. relocation, etc. Alan >> My adoptive mother's family were definitely not white and stayed away as much as possible from the white community. They would call themselves "Black Dutch," which I have come to learn was a term used by many Native Americans. Carol Jean

Our daughter bought it for us for Christmas. I love the car the girls have :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Choctaw <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Indian Movies > ok, ok....now ya'll got me wanting to see "Smoke Signals" again. I loved it > the first time, but haven't seen it since. And I have "Thunderheart" on > tape and haven't watched it in a while either. Think I'll gather up the > kids and get them to watch it with me tonight. > Thanks for the reminder!!!!!!!! > Shelley > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

This is the Chief of the Choctaw Nations address: Chief Gregory Pyle [email protected] and here is the phone number: Tribal Membership Department at 1-800522-6170 ext.2205

I have also found evidence of good friends or good family helping both African and Native Americans "pass" for white. For anyone that anticipated the relocations, etc or later decided to remain where they were or move elsewhere but not relocate - there was advantage/need to "pass". Education, employment, rate of wages, property ownership etc. can make a difference. Some individuals and families of the Five Civilized Tribes purposely protected Freedmen by adopting them as members, into family and tribal groups. In reviewing information in censuses, it seems this was also the case with some of the non-Native families too. When there was intermarriage or "co-mingling", passing would be a reasonable choice, if possible. (I would imagine that there were a range of thoughts and feelings when the Federal government later forced them to list AA as members of tribal groups.) If caught in attempting to "pass" the consequences could be extreme for everyone involved, (especially so in Louisiana from what I've read). I believe there was high costs paid by everyone; regardless of their thoughts or the decisions they made re. relocation, etc. Alan

In a message dated 5/26/00 4:20:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << ok, ok....now ya'll got me wanting to see "Smoke Signals" again. I loved it the first time, but haven't seen it since. And I have "Thunderheart" on tape and haven't watched it in a while either. Think I'll gather up the kids and get them to watch it with me tonight. Thanks for the reminder!!!!!!!! Shelley >> I rented "Smoke Signals" tonight. It's a gooooood movie! Also rented "Thunderheart" (course I know that frame by frame LOL). Smoke Signals is funny and sad but has an excellent ending. The scene where Thomas is being throw out of the window of the burning house took me back to the days when I was thrown out of a window. My parents were alcoholics and my mother had left a cigarette drop on the couch. Thank goodness no one got hurt, but I just have that memory of being throw out the window. Carol Jean

Markie, I too thoroughly enjoy the converstations here. I don't often write anything, but have learned alot and look forward to learning more. Some of the conversations are so very interesting, even the ones about people I don't even know :). I love hearing about Pow-Wows because I almost never get to go to one. So hearing about the fun everyone is having just assures me that we as a people are alive and well. So everyone who can attend these events, enjoy it just a little more for me!! Shelley

ok, ok....now ya'll got me wanting to see "Smoke Signals" again. I loved it the first time, but haven't seen it since. And I have "Thunderheart" on tape and haven't watched it in a while either. Think I'll gather up the kids and get them to watch it with me tonight. Thanks for the reminder!!!!!!!! Shelley

Hi Jim, I'm sorry, I didnt' mean to give you the wrong impression. <very big smile> I was just trying to get all conversation moved over to the Chahta list. This way, the Choctaw Southeast list can stick mainly to genealogy researching questions. You know... names... dates... places, .. etc. Pretty much the bare facts. That is boring for some people, but some people like it that way. One list for genealogy, and one list for everything else. My hope is to "try" and make everyone happy. The people who like to do more talking than others can do it here, and also be subscribed to the Choctaw Southeast list to place their queries, and read others queries hoping to make a family connection. No, your questions were not to contraversal at all. Here we can have great question and answer sessions, or friendly debats about anything that we want to learn about. Ask any questions, or anything, without disturbing the people who don't have as much computer time as we do maybe. If anyone wants to join in on any of our discussions, they are just going to have to come on over here with us and do it!! <G> To tell the truth, I wish I had started this list first. THEN moved the "genealogy queries" over to the other list. It's much harder to do it the other way around. Everyone started talking on the other list first, and now it's almost impossible to get them to move over here! I keep trying to say... "Head'em up and move'em on over".. but no one listens?? We have 101 members on this list. I can't figure out why no one ever talks here where it's OK??? LOL >I am a "wannaknow" I think we all fall under this title! I know I do, or I wouldn't be here at all. :) Thank you Markie At 01:12 PM 05/25/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Carol Jean: > >Markie subscribed me to this to get me off the Choctaw-Southeast-L (I guess >she felt my opinions/questions were too contraversal!!). I was going to stay >quiet here, but I agree with you in certain points. > >I am not a "wannabe" Indian, rather I am a "wannaknow" if I am. I am not >interested in the benefits because I never knew of any for being Indian. I >know nothing about being a "card carring" Indian. > >I am the Family "Historian" for my family. There are a few others in the >family who are researching, but I seem to be the only active researcher. I >have a second cousin who is married to a "Full Blood" name Jerry Lynn CHEE. >Her sister, my father, my sister and myself all beleive/feel we have Indian >ties. I have been chosen/appointed/volunteered to find the connection!! > >Thank you for letting me "spill my guts"!!

ROFL! Yeah... that was so funny. I loved the part where Victor had told Thomas he needed to change his looks or something like that... and he comes strolling out of the store in blue jeans, t-shirt, with his coat slung over his shoulder... Wowwww.... shhhh.. don't tell my husband I said that!!!! heeheehee >Arlene, makes the best fry bread!!!! I can hear him saying it!!! he is so funny!!! Oops.. I hear a movie fest coming on!!! <G> Markie At 03:27 PM 05/26/1980 PDT, you wrote: > I love the line where Victor tells Thomas to look like he has just killed a buffalo.Thomas says but we were fishermen.Then Victor says something about you don't want to look like you just caught a fish.hahahahahah > I do the best Thomas impersonation.hehehehehe Arlene, makes the best fry bread!!!! >Arla > >---------- >> Hi Theresa, >> >> I loved Smoke Signals. I may have told you this one time, but I don't >> remember. One night a group of us decided to all get together and have an >> Indian movie fest on a friends new big screen TV. Everyone brought the >> movies they had and we vegged out half the night. When we all saw Smoke >> Signals a few weeks later, the line in it where Thomas says something like, >> "there is nothing dummer, than a bunch of Indians sitting around watching >> Indian movies" we all fell out of our chairs laughing! <G> >> >> Markie >> > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Home Page: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm >Choctaw Chat: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/chat.htm > > >

In a message dated 5/26/00 12:17:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << You might want to write to Tommy Bolton at P. O. Box 858, Zwolle, LA 71486 Lucas >> Thanks for the information Lucas. Carol Jean

Hey Theresa, Yes, the pow wow was great. It wasn't that big for our first Scholarship one tho. Everyone had a great day, the weather was beautiful, and we awarded a $1,000.00 Scholarship to a girl from Marshall, Tx. who is a member of a northern California tribe. I can't remember which one right now. The next day was Easter Sunday, and we had tornados popping all over the place here. One hit the pow wow grounds! Thank goodness it didn't happen the day before. We had lots of trees down, out buildings blown over... plus the port-o-lets! eweeeee.. haha Our main building, MC stand, and circle was not hurt, we were soooo lucky there. I don't know how we could have gotten it all put back together for our Sept. Pow Wow. We usually have between 2000 to 3000 attend that one. I would give anything if I could have attended yours. I would love to have met Charlie Jones. I've listened to his Choctaw language tapes so long, I think he's a member of the family! haha It sounds like it was great and I would have liked to seen all the different classes. Yep, I know, when you are the one putting it on, you don't see "nothing"!! There is always to much to do. What did the speakers end up talking about? You know when you posted here for anyone to give ideas of questions that they would like to ask, and no one said a thing? <G> Yes, I've talked to a couple of them on the phone, but didn't notice anything, because they talk just like me!! haha! Markie At 10:57 PM 05/24/2000 -0700, you wrote: Ellen said you had a good pow wow, >the gathering had 2000 in attendance, we figured on 1500 it doesn't sound >like much more, but it was, however it was great. We had traditional dress >making classes, Choctaw style beading classes, games, Charlie Jones was >fabulous, for the opening ceremony he sang "Meditation on death" that our >ancestors sang each evening on the trail of tears. I can not even begin to >list everything it was great, but as you know the ones who put it on work >all weekend and really do not get to see the classes, events, etc.. >Speaking of sounding a little more country than most, have you hear those >from our tribal complex ;-) there are a couple that I love to just listen to >them talk, I don't care what they are talking about, it is just that smooth >slow southern sound that is so neat to hear. >Theresa

Hi Theresa, I loved Smoke Signals. I may have told you this one time, but I don't remember. One night a group of us decided to all get together and have an Indian movie fest on a friends new big screen TV. Everyone brought the movies they had and we vegged out half the night. When we all saw Smoke Signals a few weeks later, the line in it where Thomas says something like, "there is nothing dummer, than a bunch of Indians sitting around watching Indian movies" we all fell out of our chairs laughing! <G> Markie At 10:57 PM 05/24/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Hey there, Right, you understood where I was coming from. Sometimes I have >sound tracks of Smoke Signals going off in my head, that one that was kinda >a laugh on stereo types, & the one young kid always tried so hard to "sound" >Indian. >Theresa

At 05:41 PM 05/24/2000 EDT, you wrote: > >I understand and appreciate what you are saying Jami, but it is not just >non-Indians who are in the exploitation business (I know this for a fact). >You are always going to find people who are takers and you are going to find >those who follow like a horse with blinders on. > >Carol Jean > Carol Jean, You are correct on this. <G> A couple of years ago, I met a full blood Chippewa who lived on the Leech Lake Res. in MN. He came down to Louisiana to visit a cousin who is a friend of mine. I'll try and make a long story short here. After a couple of months this guy and his girlfriend ended up living in their van. He was one of the friendlest, nicest people you would ever want to know. Well, old dumb me says... "If you would like you can stay in our travel trailer in our yard until you get on you feet down here. It's just sitting in our yard, and we are not using it right now. "...duhhhh... SIX months later they are still living in our trailer! My house was like their house, with swinging doors. Well how can you throw someone out who is so friendly, and nice, we thought?? LOL I got a phone call one morning from his aunt. She told me that they had left that morning heading back to MN. I didn't even KNOW IT! They left before I woke up, didn't say goodbye, thank you, or kiss my foot. Later I found he had borrowed my brothers guitar. (my brother lives next door) It was gone, and my brother found it in a pawn shop here and had to pay to get it back! It had been pawned three other times. Then I find out that my 225 ct. Malicite necklace that my husband had brought me back from Africa was gone! It had been pawned several times also. So being Indian does not make someone a good person that's for sure! Good and Bad people come from all races, creeds, and color. I guess you could say, "I was a horse one time!" haha Markie

You might want to write to Tommy Bolton at P. O. Box 858, Zwolle, LA 71486 Lucas ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Blood Quantum, or Card Carrying > In a message dated 5/25/00 9:56:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << > I know a lot of people in that tribe. My wife and I used to go to their pow > wows every year but finally stopped when local business required so much of > our time. We don't pow wow much any more and I really miss it. If you see > the La Rouxs again or Tommy Bolton and his wife soon, please tell them Lucas > and Debrale Graywolf said hi. > > Lucas > >> > > > Hi Lucas: > > I saw you mention the name Bolton. My greatgrandmother on my adoptive > mother's side was Susan Bolton. Don't know where they came from, I think > from around Virginia area. > > Carol Jean > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > Choctaw Chat: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/chat.htm > >

Jami, This is so true. Recently on E-Bay, there was a guy who had up for auction, starting bid $250.00, "Spiritual Medicine Man" lessons through E-mail. He said he had places for 5 students. He only got 1 bid for the $250.00, so next he put it on ebay with spaces for more people at a smaller price. I quit checking it, so don't know how many people he wound up teaching! Now you know those people paid a high price for a bunch of garbage. Markie At 05:33 PM 05/24/2000 EDT, you wrote: >What Markie is saying is that there are people out there who specifically >exploit the issue of native american spirituality and heritage. >There are groups that you can pay a fee too and become a member >of their tribe. Those groups are not legitimate and are profiting from those >who cannot prove their heritage. There are spiritualist who make up their >own religion, give classes on it and profit by selling out. >Being Indian is not something you can buy. It is not something you >can learn on the computer. It is not something that you can instantly >plug into a genealogy chart on. It is a life that is instilled from your >ancestors. >It is learning the tribal ways from your elders. It is fighting for issues >which >affect those that have fought their whole lives to overcome. It is these >things >and many more. > >Nan aiya >Jami > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >To Unsubscribe: >Send msg. to [email protected] >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > >

Hi Arla, Can you exhibit your baskets if you do not say they are "authentic" Indian made? The 1970 arts and crafts Act says that a person can not exhibit their products as authentic Native American made without a card from a Federally Recognized "OR" State Recognized Indian Tribe. You can still say you made them, and you are Indian, you just can't advertize them as "authentic". I know a lot of vendors in OK. who do this. Of course there are some juried shows that only allow people who have a CDIB card to exhibit, probably like the one at Mesa Verde. I would love to see some of your baskets! :) I bought all the supplies to make horsehair baskets, but Lord knows when I will ever find the time to give it a try. haha Markie At 04:35 PM 05/24/1980 PDT, you wrote: > I too, as of this date am not a card carrying Indian.The only time I was ever asked is when someone asked if I would like to exhibit my baskets at a pow wow and I can't here in Oklahoma without a card. > There are still shows I can do that are classified Native American and Nature. I had a Navajo ask me to exhibit at Mesa Verde and all they wanted was some kind of document stating that I was Indian. > If we are not fullbloods we have another part that needs to be honored and descrimination comes in all colors.When you go to a pow wow here everyone talks and is sociable and couldn't care less if you are a card carrying Indian.No one asks how much Indian are you. > In all my life I have only had two times when I was looked at as less,by another Indian.I wasn't as dark so evidently I wasn't Indian. I would say that wasn't an Indian thing on their part but a personal issue they hadn't dealt with within themselves. > I have to address my white side as well as my Indian side. My husband in his infinite wisdom helps me to remember that. We were at Tushkahoma reading some old articles about trading between Choctaw Basketweavers and farmers. My husbands family were big farmers in MS. I asked my husband if he thought my family had traded with his family? He looked at me and said Arla,your family probably traded with each other. > Yes I would love to have a CDIB card.I may never, but card or not I want to be who I am and honor all parts of myself.I want to learn all I can about my heritage.For centuries there was only oral history.If that is all I am to have on my family then I will continue to pass that history to my children and grandchildren. > I have learned much from these Choctaw lists and plan to learn more. >Chi Holloli Arla > > > >> >> Thank you, you hit the nail on the head! You are exactly correct. As a >> "non card carrying" Indian myself, who hangs out with.. from full bloods >> all the way down to a little bit of blood.... and from many different >> tribes... some are elders on the council of their tribes. I have always >> been treated with respect for who I am, not my blood quantum. Not once >> have I been asked "do you have a CDIB card?"... not once have I been asked >> "how much blood are you?"... nor.. "are you a real Indian?" You're right >> when you say you can spot someone who has been watching to many movies! > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Home Page: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm >Choctaw Chat: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/chat.htm > > >

I'll sure tell them hello for you. We just went to their sping pow wow a few weeks ago. They moved it up because it was always the same weekend as the Marksville one I guess. I know Tommy's sister, Tammy. We look like Mutt and Jeff together. She is soooo short, and I'm 5'8"!! <G> I love to pow wow, if I don't, I have withdrawal pains from not hearing the drum! LOL Plus, it's like a family reunion getting to see and visit with so many friends. You know? I go when I have the gas money. haha The only one that I will never miss is the Bell pow wow just out of Stilwell, Ok. Thomas and Sue Muskrat hold that one. We're making plans now to go Aug. 5th & 6th. Chi Pisa Markie At 11:57 AM 05/25/2000 -0500, you wrote: >I know a lot of people in that tribe. My wife and I used to go to their pow >wows every year but finally stopped when local business required so much of >our time. We don't pow wow much any more and I really miss it. If you see >the La Rouxs again or Tommy Bolton and his wife soon, please tell them Lucas >and Debrale Graywolf said hi. > >Lucas >

Thank you Mr. Graywolf, I do hope everyone thought about what you said and what I said. I hope you have a wonderful day and all on this list does too...byeeeee for now.......<):-)>........Linda in Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graywolf" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Blood Quantum, or Card Carrying > Well stated Linda! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mamalin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Blood Quantum, or Card Carrying > > > > Dear Mr. Graywolf, > > I think that your message was wonderful!!!!! Thank you for that , and > > the kind words you said. Each of us card or no card are family and we > should > > treat each other as such. There will be disagreements between each other , > > as that is the way this world goes.I myself think it would be a dull world > > if we all agreeded on the same thing. > > The most important thing we should all remember we are all brothers > and > > sisters and have the same creator. Kindness gets us so much farther in > life > > than anything. So all remember to treat each other as we want others to > > treat us.(DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU!!!!!!)Not do > > unto others before they do unto you......<):-) > > I have been reading some of the e-mails that have been comming thru > and > > I do understand that it is easy to take things wrong on the net because > > facial expression can't be seen on here...when someone is teasing you and > > they have a smile added to the sentence it is so much easier to see that > it > > is a tease. Just remember to think how that person's facial expression > would > > be if they were standing face to face to you and talking to you and a lot > of > > this tension would be gone. > > I am Choctaw ,but as yet don't have my card, but that doesn't take any > > of my Indian from me. I feel just as a part of the tribe and one day hope > to > > have myself and my children and grandchildren with a card. I do hope I > > haven't offended anyone by anything I have said here. I just thought it > was > > time I added my statement in here instead of reading and not getting into > > the chat. > > I hope everyone has a wonderful day and each and everyone will > > remember we are all family. United we stand divided we fall........!!!!!! > > Always, Linda in Texas > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graywolf" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 7:36 AM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Blood Quantum, or Card Carrying > > > > > > > I have been watching all of the postings about "card carrying Indians" > and > > > am deeply concerened that some feelings have been hurt. > > > > > > I write occasional pieces for Bishinik, our tribal newspaper and > > frequently > > > get requests from people who are trying to get their cards. So many > times > > > it just isn't possible for one reason or another. Within my own family, > > > because my father's people chose to leave the trail of tears and come to > > > Texas (and thus were not signers of the Dawes Treaty) I have a brother > who > > > cannot get his tribal card; yet I have one because my mother's people > were > > > signers to the treaty. That doesn't make him any less Indian than I am. > > > > > > Nevertheless, as has been pointed out, the card system was necessary > > because > > > of every nut who came along claiming to be "heap big chief Indian" and > > > wanted tribal benefits. And the new agers cashing in on Indian crafts > and > > > medicine have been an abomination to us all. I teach classes in > > comparative > > > religion ... specifically "Native American Spirituality and Catholic > > > Christianity." And, although I am a registered member of the Choctaw > > Nation > > > of Oklahoma, I still get threatening phone calls and letters from other > > > tribal members who think I am a "wannabe" Indian cashing in on the > tribe. > > > Those of you who do not have cards need to understand the history of the > > > tribal registry program in order to understand the on-going animosity to > > the > > > wannabes. > > > > > > On the other hand, we card holders need to understand that the U.S. Army > > > destroyed exactly one half of the tribal rolls of the Mississippi band > > > because they didn't want to feed them. Also, not all Choctaws signed > the > > > Dawes Treaty. Hundreds asked permission to immigrate to Mexico instead. > > > They were denied permission by the Mexican government and most of those > > > families did not get on the Oklahoma rolls; but they are still very much > > > Indians, some full-blooded. Add to that number the hundreds who > > disappeared > > > into the brush rather than be dragged off to Oklahoma, who settled in > > > Louisiana, Texas and Arkansas. My father's father often said that any > > > Indian who settled in Oklahoma was a "camp-around-the-fort-Indian" and > > that > > > the true 'braves' resisted resettlement to government lands. > > > > > > Somewhere in all this there needs to be a great deal of compassion for > all > > > sides. Those people without any hope of getting their cards may still > > attend > > > pow-wows and keep company with the rest of the Native Americans. I know > a > > > nahollo who has no Indian blood at all; but he was so kind and gentle > that > > > the Indians at the pow-wows took him in as one of their own and he was > > > ultimately adopted by one of the spirit leaders of the Comanche Indian > > > Nation. Ont he other hand, he NEVER attempted to benefit financially > from > > > this association in any way and he never told anyone he was an Indian. > > > > > > If you don't have the card yet, don't give up hope. Keep tracing your > > > ancestry. Use the census records and don't forget that the Native > > Americans > > > were listed on different cards placed at the end of the local rolls so > > they > > > may not show up on the regular records. (Soundex should locate them, > > > however.) And I would hope that we card holders can show some > compassion > > > here in dealing with the others. > > > > > > God's blessings. > > > > > > Lucas Graywolf > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > To Unsubscribe: > > > Send msg. to [email protected] > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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OK Markie I am looking for an Indian connection in my family. A few of us belive that there is a connection and then there are those who do not!! There are a few possible relatives, but nobody has evr found the proof nor really looked until I got involved. My great grand mother: Eliza Francis SHEPPARD was born in Wetumpka, AL 1856. She and her family traveled up from AL by boat to AR in 1870. She married James Gaston MORRISON 27 Dec 1888 in Prairie County, AR. She died and is buried in Gibson County, TN. Her mother was Martha Jane WILLLIAMS from Harris County, GA. My great great grand mother: Matilda Ann KIMBRO/KIMBROUGH was born 30 Jan 1837 in Gibson County, TN. Her father was John KIMBRO/KIMBROUGH who owned several large tracks of land in AR & TN. She married James Alexander MORRISON 3 Nov 1853 in Gibson County, TN. She died 1893 and is buried in Prairie County, AR. My grand mother was Cora Mae CHISHOLM born in Hayti, MO 30 Jul 1907. Her brother was Calvin David CHISHOLM born Hayti, MO Sep 1909 and died Hot Springs, AR Sep 1963. Their mother (according to her death certificate) was Molley BRANDON from southern KY in 1884. Molley's mother was Charity POWERS from KY. I have been told that my grand mother, Cora, was always refered to as a "squaw" and not welcome in the homes of some in-laws. Her brother, Calvin David, was a carney and had the nick name of "Chief". I think those are my possibilities. Now to just find the connection. I am looking fdor who my connection is with and to which tribe. Thank you Markie, At 08:04 AM 5/25/00 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Jim, > >You are welcome to ask any questions you want to here on the Chahta List. >I'll do the very best that "I" can, to give you any answers that I know. >Please don't feel like an outsider. I came home from the weekend to a >mail box that was over flowing with people screaming at me! I had to move >this conversation to this list, and get it off of the Choctaw Southeast >list. When I started that list, I gave my word to the subscribers to do >my best to keep it strictly on the subject of genealogy research. The >reason I started "this list" is so everyone could talk and ask any >questions or debate to their hearts content without disturbing the >genealogy folks who do not care to read other topics. > >All I ask here on this list is that no one flame anyone else. Debating a >subject is fine as long as we are learning together, and not getting mad at >each other. > >In the middle of all that, I missed some of your questions. Would you >mind asking again? :) > >Thank you >Markie > >At 05:23 AM 05/25/2000 -0400, you wrote: >>I don't see how this has gotten so out of control. I am trying to research >>my family tree. In doing so, I was trying to find if there was any Indian >>blood in our line. >> >>You folks who say you are of Indian blood have made me feel like a complete >>outsider. I have asked a few questions for which I have been threaten with >>being banned from this list and been fussed at for asking!! Why? Because >>those who answered me are not in agreement and that starts a debate. >> >>I was not born with all the answers, so I must ask questions!! >> > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >To Unsubscribe: >Send msg. to [email protected] >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > Jim Morrison, Jr. [email protected] www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/