Markie I love that fan it is beautiful. Will I finally be meeting you at labor day. As the date gets closer lets make plans when and where Theresa ----- Original Message ----- From: Markie <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 11:10 AM Subject: [CHAHTA] Re: Choctaw Dance Fan > Wonderful! That's what I was thinking about under the dots, but I couldn't > figure it out for sure. I couldn't tell from Theresa's picture if the > dots were paint or leather or what? > > The ones I've made so far are the flat fan handle like a paint brush type. > I have some handles that my husband cut for me, but they look more like a > V shape. He cut them out of 3/4" plywood, but I like the flat paint brush > type better. Then I wrap it in buckskin, and bead it. I've been using > mine for several years, and haven't gotten around to beading the handle > yet. I knew it was going to be harder to bead with the feathers already > in, but I needed it that day. Here's one that I made out of slate grey > turkey feathers. I uploaded a picture so everyone could see if they want > to. Rootsweb won't let any type of attachments come through the mail list. > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~twineagl/fan.jpg > > I would love to see a picture! I had almost rather do beadwork, than eat. > Well, for sure, rather than "cook". <G> > > Thank you > Markie > > At 12:41 AM 06/01/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >I can help you with the fan. Usually the dots are a piece of felt that > may hold on another decoration, like a smaller feather or a horsehair. > > > >What you do with the ends of the feathers depends on what kind of handle > you are making. Is it round or more like a paintbrush handle, or is it > just wrapped? Can you send me a scan of what you are doing? > > > >I do quite a lot of beading. I will send you a picture if you like. > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

Hi Markie Well the handle is made of balsa wood as it is very very light weight, that is covered with buckskin. The feathers are each wrapped with a fine string looks alot like thread each feather is separated by a brass bead \0/0\0/ above the thread each feather has a bone bead. the dots on the fan are sequins on the first row of dots and they attach a colored very small feather to the turkey feather. next row of dots seems like a rubber circle of some kind (on the back side of the fan the sequins are on the back of these dots, the last row of dots are sequins which attach the longer narrow colored feathers to the tops of the turkey feathers there are ribbons that stream off the bottom of the fan. There is no beadwork on them. Original Message ----- From: Markie <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 11:10 AM Subject: [CHAHTA] Re: Choctaw Dance Fan > Wonderful! That's what I was thinking about under the dots, but I couldn't > figure it out for sure. I couldn't tell from Theresa's picture if the > dots were paint or leather or what? > > The ones I've made so far are the flat fan handle like a paint brush type. > I have some handles that my husband cut for me, but they look more like a > V shape. He cut them out of 3/4" plywood, but I like the flat paint brush > type better. Then I wrap it in buckskin, and bead it. I've been using > mine for several years, and haven't gotten around to beading the handle > yet. I knew it was going to be harder to bead with the feathers already > in, but I needed it that day. Here's one that I made out of slate grey > turkey feathers. I uploaded a picture so everyone could see if they want > to. Rootsweb won't let any type of attachments come through the mail list. > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~twineagl/fan.jpg > > I would love to see a picture! I had almost rather do beadwork, than eat. > Well, for sure, rather than "cook". <G> > > Thank you > Markie > > At 12:41 AM 06/01/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >I can help you with the fan. Usually the dots are a piece of felt that > may hold on another decoration, like a smaller feather or a horsehair. > > > >What you do with the ends of the feathers depends on what kind of handle > you are making. Is it round or more like a paintbrush handle, or is it > just wrapped? Can you send me a scan of what you are doing? > > > >I do quite a lot of beading. I will send you a picture if you like. > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

The turkey is sacred. He stands for bravery, sustanence, and something else. That is why I have used a turkey fan. I haven't gotten beads on my handle either. Maybe never! Val ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re: Choctaw Dance Fan > No one can ever convince me that memories and just a sense of how things are > supposed to be, aren't passed down genetically. I made a fan about 2 years > ago and chose turkey feathers and used buckskin to wrap around it. I have > done little beading yet on it. I used 7 feathers. I have never heard of > (until now) a Choctaw dance fan. I would love to see pictures of others who > have made them. Yakoke. Vera > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm >

Markie, I found a new name on my fathers side. My grandmother's maiden name was MESSER. got any messers on those lists of yours? ----- Original Message ----- From: Markie <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Re: Choctaw Dance Fan > Debrale, > > LOL... I AGREE! Believe me, the fans were moving lots of air at the > Marksville, La. pow wow! It had rained that morning, and the humidity was > like walking through syrup! During the grand entry, when everyone stops > and turns towards the drum for the honor song... I looked around and every > person in the circle had their fans just a fanning!! I don't remember > seeing every person "at once" fanning like that before. Everyone kept > sweating, but it felt good there for a little bit. <G> > > I'm all for moving the air! > > Markie > > > At 02:42 PM 06/01/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >Markie, > > > >An old lady at the Houston Tia P'iah Society pow-wow told me some years back > >that a fan should just contain enough feathers to move air! I thought that > >sort of said it all. LOL. If it moves air it's a good fan. > > > >Debrale Graywolf > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

Debrale, LOL... I AGREE! Believe me, the fans were moving lots of air at the Marksville, La. pow wow! It had rained that morning, and the humidity was like walking through syrup! During the grand entry, when everyone stops and turns towards the drum for the honor song... I looked around and every person in the circle had their fans just a fanning!! I don't remember seeing every person "at once" fanning like that before. Everyone kept sweating, but it felt good there for a little bit. <G> I'm all for moving the air! Markie At 02:42 PM 06/01/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Markie, > >An old lady at the Houston Tia P'iah Society pow-wow told me some years back >that a fan should just contain enough feathers to move air! I thought that >sort of said it all. LOL. If it moves air it's a good fan. > >Debrale Graywolf >

Markie, An old lady at the Houston Tia P'iah Society pow-wow told me some years back that a fan should just contain enough feathers to move air! I thought that sort of said it all. LOL. If it moves air it's a good fan. Debrale Graywolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Markie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 1:10 PM Subject: [CHAHTA] Re: Choctaw Dance Fan > Wonderful! That's what I was thinking about under the dots, but I couldn't > figure it out for sure. I couldn't tell from Theresa's picture if the > dots were paint or leather or what? > > The ones I've made so far are the flat fan handle like a paint brush type. > I have some handles that my husband cut for me, but they look more like a > V shape. He cut them out of 3/4" plywood, but I like the flat paint brush > type better. Then I wrap it in buckskin, and bead it. I've been using > mine for several years, and haven't gotten around to beading the handle > yet. I knew it was going to be harder to bead with the feathers already > in, but I needed it that day. Here's one that I made out of slate grey > turkey feathers. I uploaded a picture so everyone could see if they want > to. Rootsweb won't let any type of attachments come through the mail list. > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~twineagl/fan.jpg > > I would love to see a picture! I had almost rather do beadwork, than eat. > Well, for sure, rather than "cook". <G> > > Thank you > Markie > > At 12:41 AM 06/01/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >I can help you with the fan. Usually the dots are a piece of felt that > may hold on another decoration, like a smaller feather or a horsehair. > > > >What you do with the ends of the feathers depends on what kind of handle > you are making. Is it round or more like a paintbrush handle, or is it > just wrapped? Can you send me a scan of what you are doing? > > > >I do quite a lot of beading. I will send you a picture if you like. > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

Wonderful! That's what I was thinking about under the dots, but I couldn't figure it out for sure. I couldn't tell from Theresa's picture if the dots were paint or leather or what? The ones I've made so far are the flat fan handle like a paint brush type. I have some handles that my husband cut for me, but they look more like a V shape. He cut them out of 3/4" plywood, but I like the flat paint brush type better. Then I wrap it in buckskin, and bead it. I've been using mine for several years, and haven't gotten around to beading the handle yet. I knew it was going to be harder to bead with the feathers already in, but I needed it that day. Here's one that I made out of slate grey turkey feathers. I uploaded a picture so everyone could see if they want to. Rootsweb won't let any type of attachments come through the mail list. http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~twineagl/fan.jpg I would love to see a picture! I had almost rather do beadwork, than eat. Well, for sure, rather than "cook". <G> Thank you Markie At 12:41 AM 06/01/2000 -0700, you wrote: >I can help you with the fan. Usually the dots are a piece of felt that may hold on another decoration, like a smaller feather or a horsehair. > >What you do with the ends of the feathers depends on what kind of handle you are making. Is it round or more like a paintbrush handle, or is it just wrapped? Can you send me a scan of what you are doing? > >I do quite a lot of beading. I will send you a picture if you like. >

Hi everyone, This just came out in Roots Web Review. This is a new mail list for Chickasaw genealogy. Thought everyone who may have connections would want to know about it. To subscribe to this new list, go to the URL below. Markie CHICKASAW -- Chickasaw Native American ancestry, and discussion of the Chickasaw Nation http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic/CHICKASAW.html

It was in a fancy font or HTML format. Rootsweb will only allow "plain text" to go through the list. You have to go to your e-mail program and turn off the ``Post in HTML'' or ``Enriched Text'' features of your mail program. I don't know how to do this, but that's what you have to do. ??? I use Eudora Light for my mail program. Your message came to me in HTML format, like you would put on a web page. I deleted everything except your message, and forwarded it to the list. <G> I have been meaning to write to you privately, but thought it might be interesting for everyone here also. I want to make a traditional Choctaw dance fan. I have printed out the picture of your daughters that you sent to me, but for the life of me, I can't figure out what is connected to what? I got some more turkey tail feathers... heehee.. I was wanting to know if the bottom of the quils are wrapped before placing them into the handle or what is done to them before putting them into the handle? I can see the white dots on each feather, but not sure what that is? Paint? Leather? Then it looks like a fluff or something coming from under the white dot? Can you look at it and describe how it is put together for me? Pleaseeee... :) I counted the feathers, and was wonderning if it contains a certain amount of them, or does that matter? I'm working on one of my grand daughters new fan now. I have about one inch left on the beadwork and the handle will be finished! Then I'm putting Scarlett Macaw feathers in it, to match her new Jingle dress I promised her!! That will be one fan down, and three more to go. These grand daughters are keeping me hopping!! haha When we went to the Marksville La. Pow Wow the other day, Taylor, who is 5, had her Turkey feather fan that she has been using since she was 3. The poor feathers are mutilated from her chewing on them or twisting them up. It's really pitiful, cause she's put it through a lot. She came running to me about to cry, saying... "Grandma.. that little girl told me my fan was ugly"!! I promised her a new one, cause I think she is old enough now to take care of it..... this is the first time she "knew" it was in bad shape! <G> The web page address is: http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ Thank you, Markie At 11:53 PM 05/31/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Yakoke, >what did I do wrong? Hey send me your web page address again, we got a new >computer and I have to re enter all my favorites and I want to link to our >page. >t >----- Original Message ----- >From: Markie <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:38 PM >Subject: [CHAHTA] Re: California Choctaw > > >> Theresa, I fixed it... >> >> Forwarded to list.... >> >> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:06:44 -0700 >> From: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: California Choctaw >> >> Hey everyone, we have been trying to get our web page on the yahoo >> search engine for seems like a year, any of you that are willing if you >> would go to "suggest a site" and suggest us we would appreciate it very >> much, yakoke www.oklachahta.org that way it will be easier for >> Choctaw people to find us. >> >> Theresa >> >> >>

Theresa, I fixed it... Forwarded to list.... Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:06:44 -0700 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: California Choctaw Hey everyone, we have been trying to get our web page on the yahoo search engine for seems like a year, any of you that are willing if you would go to "suggest a site" and suggest us we would appreciate it very much, yakoke www.oklachahta.org that way it will be easier for Choctaw people to find us. Theresa

I can help you with the fan. Usually the dots are a piece of felt that may hold on another decoration, like a smaller feather or a horsehair. What you do with the ends of the feathers depends on what kind of handle you are making. Is it round or more like a paintbrush handle, or is it just wrapped? Can you send me a scan of what you are doing? I do quite a lot of beading. I will send you a picture if you like. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/1/00 at 2:32 AM Markie wrote: >It was in a fancy font or HTML format. Rootsweb will only allow "plain >text" to go through the list. You have to go to your e-mail program and >turn off the ``Post in HTML'' or ``Enriched Text'' features of your mail >program. I don't know how to do this, but that's what you have to do. ??? > I use Eudora Light for my mail program. Your message came to me in HTML >format, like you would put on a web page. I deleted everything except your >message, and forwarded it to the list. <G> > >I have been meaning to write to you privately, but thought it might be >interesting for everyone here also. I want to make a traditional Choctaw >dance fan. I have printed out the picture of your daughters that you sent >to me, but for the life of me, I can't figure out what is connected to >what? I got some more turkey tail feathers... heehee.. I was wanting to >know if the bottom of the quils are wrapped before placing them into the >handle or what is done to them before putting them into the handle? I can >see the white dots on each feather, but not sure what that is? Paint? >Leather? Then it looks like a fluff or something coming from under the >white dot? Can you look at it and describe how it is put together for me? >Pleaseeee... :) I counted the feathers, and was wonderning if it contains >a certain amount of them, or does that matter? > >I'm working on one of my grand daughters new fan now. I have about one >inch left on the beadwork and the handle will be finished! Then I'm >putting Scarlett Macaw feathers in it, to match her new Jingle dress I >promised her!! That will be one fan down, and three more to go. These >grand daughters are keeping me hopping!! haha When we went to the >Marksville La. Pow Wow the other day, Taylor, who is 5, had her Turkey >feather fan that she has been using since she was 3. The poor feathers are >mutilated from her chewing on them or twisting them up. It's really >pitiful, cause she's put it through a lot. She came running to me about >to cry, saying... "Grandma.. that little girl told me my fan was ugly"!! I >promised her a new one, cause I think she is old enough now to take care of >it..... this is the first time she "knew" it was in bad shape! <G> > >The web page address is: > >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > >Thank you, >Markie > >At 11:53 PM 05/31/2000 -0700, you wrote: >>Yakoke, >>what did I do wrong? Hey send me your web page address again, we got a new >>computer and I have to re enter all my favorites and I want to link to our >>page. >>t >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Markie <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:38 PM >>Subject: [CHAHTA] Re: California Choctaw >> >> >>> Theresa, I fixed it... >>> >>> Forwarded to list.... >>> >>> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:06:44 -0700 >>> From: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: California Choctaw >>> >>> Hey everyone, we have been trying to get our web page on the yahoo >>> search engine for seems like a year, any of you that are willing if you >>> would go to "suggest a site" and suggest us we would appreciate it very >>> much, yakoke www.oklachahta.org that way it will be easier for >>> Choctaw people to find us. >>> >>> Theresa >>> >>> >>> > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >To Unsubscribe: >Send msg. to [email protected] >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures.......

Yakoke, what did I do wrong? Hey send me your web page address again, we got a new computer and I have to re enter all my favorites and I want to link to our page. t ----- Original Message ----- From: Markie <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:38 PM Subject: [CHAHTA] Re: California Choctaw > Theresa, I fixed it... > > Forwarded to list.... > > Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:06:44 -0700 > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: California Choctaw > > Hey everyone, we have been trying to get our web page on the yahoo > search engine for seems like a year, any of you that are willing if you > would go to "suggest a site" and suggest us we would appreciate it very > much, yakoke www.oklachahta.org that way it will be easier for > Choctaw people to find us. > > Theresa > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > >

Jacque, Well, if we could get another list from Roots Web. Sorta like a little sister list to the three we have now? It would be just a surname list only? I have a surname page on the Choctaw web page now that is strictly for Choctaw surnames. I could make a Dawes page also, if that would be better than having two more mail lists. The Surname page I have up now is located here: http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/surnames.htm I must admit, I'm about 25 messages behind in getting some more surnames added to this page. But I will get to them just as soon as I can! :) I also have a family group sheet page up. This is what we all need, some more group sheets up on all the families! I think the group sheets would help everyone so much in their research. It only has two up so far. http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/fgindex.htm I'm for whatever it takes to get as much information online as possible. <G> Let me know what you think? Markie At 07:54 PM 05/31/2000 -0700, you wrote: >It makes sense to me as I seem to be getting CRS <BG> and can't remember who >was looking for what, etc. I'll check with Markie, listowner for the >Choctaw-Southeast list and web page if she thinks it would be a good idea. >I maintain the Pushmataha County web site and have put the people with email >addresses and list of surnames they are searching in the Push Co, but do not >have a specific web page for Choctaw. > >Markie, what do you think? > >Jacque >----- Original Message ----- >From: <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 1:45 PM >Subject: [CHOCTAW] Lists ???????? > > >> Would it make any sense to maintain a couple of lists? >> >> One for the names actively being searched for, along with the email >address of the researcher >> >> One for Dawes census cards that people are researching, along with the >email address of the owner >> >> I can see that a number of people here are serious about this and are >trying to collect more information on their relatives. I am new to this, >but I can see that it is very easy to spend a lot of money and time looking >for things, maybe in the wrong place. I don't have the best of memories but >sometimes have come across the same surnames that someone asked about the >week before and would like to pass that information along, without having to >keep all the old messages or having to remember which list it came from. >>

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>To: [email protected] >From: "Jim Morrison, Jr." <[email protected]> >Subject: Family Connections > >Could somebody please look up these names and see if they are in any books for either Cherokee, Choctaw or Chickasaw Indian? > >STORY born 1802 Warren County, GA >Phobe Ann BROOKS born abt 1802 Warren County, GA died abt 1910 (age 104!!) > >Uriah WILLIAMS born 1805 SC died 1874 AL >Martha Jane STORY born 1808 GA died 1854 AL > >Charity POWERS born 1855 Whitley, KY >Robert VESH/VEST Boon, IN > > >Anybody see any connections or possible links? > > > > Jim Morrison, Jr. [email protected] www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/

somebody really needs to buying those things on ebay in the future we may be able to use them in geneology research please send the iitems you found to some of the Choctaw Museums, such as the one in Tuskahoma Oklahoma . Museums purchase these kinds of things. ----- Original Message ----- From: John & Arla Williams <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 1980 8:18 AM Subject: [CHAHTA] Choctaw on Ebay > If you haven't checked out Ebay for Choctaw things,they have some interesting things on there. From a lithograph of Louisa Impson to a book on The St Tammany Parish Choctaws. Arla > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > >

Hi Arla, Here's a suggestion that friends of mine who are Blackfoot do, they put "replica of" on their labels and many of their products have been bought by musuems and that is the best way I have heard of. Tiffany ----- Original Message ----- From: "Markie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Arts and Crafts Act > Hi Arla, > > Can you exhibit your baskets if you do not say they are "authentic" Indian > made? The 1970 arts and crafts Act says that a person can not exhibit > their products as authentic Native American made without a card from a > Federally Recognized "OR" State Recognized Indian Tribe. You can still > say you made them, and you are Indian, you just can't advertize them as > "authentic". I know a lot of vendors in OK. who do this. Of course > there are some juried shows that only allow people who have a CDIB card to > exhibit, probably like the one at Mesa Verde. > > I would love to see some of your baskets! :) I bought all the supplies to > make horsehair baskets, but Lord knows when I will ever find the time to > give it a try. haha > > Markie > > At 04:35 PM 05/24/1980 PDT, you wrote: > > I too, as of this date am not a card carrying Indian.The only time I was > ever asked is when someone asked if I would like to exhibit my baskets at > a pow wow and I can't here in Oklahoma without a card. > > There are still shows I can do that are classified Native American and > Nature. I had a Navajo ask me to exhibit at Mesa Verde and all they wanted > was some kind of document stating that I was Indian. > > If we are not fullbloods we have another part that needs to be honored > and descrimination comes in all colors.When you go to a pow wow here > everyone talks and is sociable and couldn't care less if you are a card > carrying Indian.No one asks how much Indian are you. > > In all my life I have only had two times when I was looked at as less,by > another Indian.I wasn't as dark so evidently I wasn't Indian. I would say > that wasn't an Indian thing on their part but a personal issue they hadn't > dealt with within themselves. > > I have to address my white side as well as my Indian side. My husband > in his infinite wisdom helps me to remember that. We were at Tushkahoma > reading some old articles about trading between Choctaw Basketweavers and > farmers. My husbands family were big farmers in MS. I asked my husband if > he thought my family had traded with his family? He looked at me and said > Arla,your family probably traded with each other. > > Yes I would love to have a CDIB card.I may never, but card or not I > want to be who I am and honor all parts of myself.I want to learn all I can > about my heritage.For centuries there was only oral history.If that is all > I am to have on my family then I will continue to pass that history to my > children and grandchildren. > > I have learned much from these Choctaw lists and plan to learn more. > >Chi Holloli Arla > > > > > > > >> > >> Thank you, you hit the nail on the head! You are exactly correct. As a > >> "non card carrying" Indian myself, who hangs out with.. from full bloods > >> all the way down to a little bit of blood.... and from many different > >> tribes... some are elders on the council of their tribes. I have always > >> been treated with respect for who I am, not my blood quantum. Not once > >> have I been asked "do you have a CDIB card?"... not once have I been asked > >> "how much blood are you?"... nor.. "are you a real Indian?" You're right > >> when you say you can spot someone who has been watching to many movies! > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > >Home Page: > >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > >Choctaw Chat: > >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/chat.htm > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > Choctaw Chat: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/chat.htm >

is this the choctaw gang lol on the wanna be ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Morrison, Jr. <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] To Jim.... Blood Quantum, or Card Carrying > Markie > > > You asked me what/who I was searching for and I gave you those names. Did > you have any luck with any of them? > > Will this qualify me? I am 44 years old and for as long as I can remeber I > have been most comfortable in Levi jeans, t-shirt and tennis shoes. <BG> :) > > > > > At 04:49 PM 5/26/00 -0500, you wrote: > >Hi Jim, > > > >I'm sorry, I didnt' mean to give you the wrong impression. <very big smile> > > I was just trying to get all conversation moved over to the Chahta list. > >This way, the Choctaw Southeast list can stick mainly to genealogy > >researching questions. You know... names... dates... places, .. etc. > >Pretty much the bare facts. That is boring for some people, but some > >people like it that way. One list for genealogy, and one list for > >everything else. My hope is to "try" and make everyone happy. The people > >who like to do more talking than others can do it here, and also be > >subscribed to the Choctaw Southeast list to place their queries, and read > >others queries hoping to make a family connection. > > > >No, your questions were not to contraversal at all. Here we can have great > >question and answer sessions, or friendly debats about anything that we > >want to learn about. Ask any questions, or anything, without disturbing > >the people who don't have as much computer time as we do maybe. If anyone > >wants to join in on any of our discussions, they are just going to have to > >come on over here with us and do it!! <G> > > > >To tell the truth, I wish I had started this list first. THEN moved the > >"genealogy queries" over to the other list. It's much harder to do it the > >other way around. Everyone started talking on the other list first, and > >now it's almost impossible to get them to move over here! I keep trying > >to say... "Head'em up and move'em on over".. but no one listens?? We > >have 101 members on this list. I can't figure out why no one ever talks > >here where it's OK??? LOL > > > >>I am a "wannaknow" > > > >I think we all fall under this title! I know I do, or I wouldn't be here > >at all. :) > > > >Thank you > >Markie > > > >At 01:12 PM 05/25/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >>Carol Jean: > >> > >>Markie subscribed me to this to get me off the Choctaw-Southeast-L (I guess > >>she felt my opinions/questions were too contraversal!!). I was going to stay > >>quiet here, but I agree with you in certain points. > >> > >>I am not a "wannabe" Indian, rather I am a "wannaknow" if I am. I am not > >>interested in the benefits because I never knew of any for being Indian. I > >>know nothing about being a "card carring" Indian. > >> > >>I am the Family "Historian" for my family. There are a few others in the > >>family who are researching, but I seem to be the only active researcher. I > >>have a second cousin who is married to a "Full Blood" name Jerry Lynn CHEE. > >>Her sister, my father, my sister and myself all beleive/feel we have Indian > >>ties. I have been chosen/appointed/volunteered to find the connection!! > >> > >>Thank you for letting me "spill my guts"!! > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > >To Unsubscribe: > >Send msg. to [email protected] > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > Jim Morrison, Jr. > [email protected] > www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

lol on the wannabe ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Morrison, Jr. <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] To Jim.... Blood Quantum, or Card Carrying > Markie > > > You asked me what/who I was searching for and I gave you those names. Did > you have any luck with any of them? > > Will this qualify me? I am 44 years old and for as long as I can remeber I > have been most comfortable in Levi jeans, t-shirt and tennis shoes. <BG> :) > > > > > At 04:49 PM 5/26/00 -0500, you wrote: > >Hi Jim, > > > >I'm sorry, I didnt' mean to give you the wrong impression. <very big smile> > > I was just trying to get all conversation moved over to the Chahta list. > >This way, the Choctaw Southeast list can stick mainly to genealogy > >researching questions. You know... names... dates... places, .. etc. > >Pretty much the bare facts. That is boring for some people, but some > >people like it that way. One list for genealogy, and one list for > >everything else. My hope is to "try" and make everyone happy. The people > >who like to do more talking than others can do it here, and also be > >subscribed to the Choctaw Southeast list to place their queries, and read > >others queries hoping to make a family connection. > > > >No, your questions were not to contraversal at all. Here we can have great > >question and answer sessions, or friendly debats about anything that we > >want to learn about. Ask any questions, or anything, without disturbing > >the people who don't have as much computer time as we do maybe. If anyone > >wants to join in on any of our discussions, they are just going to have to > >come on over here with us and do it!! <G> > > > >To tell the truth, I wish I had started this list first. THEN moved the > >"genealogy queries" over to the other list. It's much harder to do it the > >other way around. Everyone started talking on the other list first, and > >now it's almost impossible to get them to move over here! I keep trying > >to say... "Head'em up and move'em on over".. but no one listens?? We > >have 101 members on this list. I can't figure out why no one ever talks > >here where it's OK??? LOL > > > >>I am a "wannaknow" > > > >I think we all fall under this title! I know I do, or I wouldn't be here > >at all. :) > > > >Thank you > >Markie > > > >At 01:12 PM 05/25/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >>Carol Jean: > >> > >>Markie subscribed me to this to get me off the Choctaw-Southeast-L (I guess > >>she felt my opinions/questions were too contraversal!!). I was going to stay > >>quiet here, but I agree with you in certain points. > >> > >>I am not a "wannabe" Indian, rather I am a "wannaknow" if I am. I am not > >>interested in the benefits because I never knew of any for being Indian. I > >>know nothing about being a "card carring" Indian. > >> > >>I am the Family "Historian" for my family. There are a few others in the > >>family who are researching, but I seem to be the only active researcher. I > >>have a second cousin who is married to a "Full Blood" name Jerry Lynn CHEE. > >>Her sister, my father, my sister and myself all beleive/feel we have Indian > >>ties. I have been chosen/appointed/volunteered to find the connection!! > >> > >>Thank you for letting me "spill my guts"!! > > > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > >To Unsubscribe: > >Send msg. to [email protected] > >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > Jim Morrison, Jr. > [email protected] > www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/ > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

Forwarded to me from Glenda, she asked me to post it to this list. *************** "The villages of Eklutna and Chickaloon will come together to "Honor Our Children" on May 27 and 28 at the Eklutna Powwow grounds. Host Drum is Sleeping Lady and special guest is Chief Arvol Looking Horse of the Lakota Nation. Camping is available. For information call Demaris or Paul at 688-6020. June 23-25 will be Honoring our Elders Past and Present on the Kenai Peninsula. The potlatch will be a time to see old friends, teach our children forgotten traditions, and relive memories of the past. The goal is to make Potlatch 2000 a healthy, safe place. For more information call Bonnie Juliussen at 283-3633. Both events are free from alcohol and drugs." Article printed in The Frontiersman - Tuesday, May 23, 2000... our local newspaper...