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Tiffany, I would not doubt this story one bit. The Choctaw have legends of the People knowing the caves and where they go and when one could get to them. Val ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiffany Shoop" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 3:22 PM Subject: [CHAHTA] Hid in Caves, Yellow River, AL > Hi, > I'm wondering how many on this list might have heard a family story about their family "hiding in a cave that they could only get to by water, and hid out with other indian families in this cave, looked like a big rock in the river, Yellow River in AL I'm told? Wonder if I would be able to connect with some of the families that was in that cave. They hid out instead of going on the Trail of Tears, then after they took white people names, set up there houses and farmed. Would there be anyone here that might know about or heard of this is their family histories? Please feel free to contact me directly too if you like. > Thanks, > Tiffany > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

Carlisle Indian Industrial School Jim Thorpe is probably the Carlisle School's most famous student. If you are looking for information on the other children sent to the Carlisle School, an index is available for searching. Currently, the student roster is complete only between A and L. Places to look for other documents and records are also mentioned. http://home.epix.net/~landis

Hi, I'm wondering how many on this list might have heard a family story about their family "hiding in a cave that they could only get to by water, and hid out with other indian families in this cave, looked like a big rock in the river, Yellow River in AL I'm told? Wonder if I would be able to connect with some of the families that was in that cave. They hid out instead of going on the Trail of Tears, then after they took white people names, set up there houses and farmed. Would there be anyone here that might know about or heard of this is their family histories? Please feel free to contact me directly too if you like. Thanks, Tiffany

FORWARDED TO LIST: >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:59:40 -0700 >From: "Vi Jimmerson" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: Ireland >X-Diagnostic: Unprocessed > >Hi, > >Does anyone have any information on the Choctaw's helping the Irish in the "Potato Famine" in Ireland? > >Vi > > >

Oops..that site apparently has been up for awhile...if I find more I will post it. B. -- On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:35:51 Markie wrote: >FORWARDED TO LIST: > >>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:59:40 -0700 > >From: "Vi Jimmerson" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Subject: Ireland > >X-Diagnostic: Unprocessed > > >>Hi, >> >>Does anyone have any information on the Choctaw's helping the Irish in the >"Potato Famine" in Ireland? >> >>Vi >> >> >> > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Choctaw Home Page: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com

Here's one site for you... http://numa.niti.org/users/tushka/choctaw/irish.htm B. -- On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:35:51 Markie wrote: >FORWARDED TO LIST: > >>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:59:40 -0700 > >From: "Vi Jimmerson" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Subject: Ireland > >X-Diagnostic: Unprocessed > > >>Hi, >> >>Does anyone have any information on the Choctaw's helping the Irish in the >"Potato Famine" in Ireland? >> >>Vi >> >> >> > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Choctaw Home Page: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com

I'm a Mom, Ron, but that was a nice message from you for fathers Day

I have Uriah WILLIAMS that was married to Martha Jane STORY or STOREY. Does anybody know which is the correct spelling? I have seen both spellings used. Please Help!!! Jim Morrison, Jr. [email protected] www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/

Yep, I think that Irish blood is pretty strong too!!! They have to be a proud People, eh? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Markie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Marry Native!! > I told my six kids... marry Native.... did they listen? NOooo... When > that old love bug bites, the heart rules the brain ever time. <G> > > But I'm fixing to get one! She should have been mine 14 years ago and I > am thrilled! My son and his first love are back together again! They > dated from the 7th grade through high school. Wedding plans made a year > after graduation... then they broke up. Each married someone else. Each > had two children. 14 years later, they are both on the way to being > single and GETTNG MARRIED when they can!! Her father was from Boston and > is 1/2 Sicilian, 1/4 black, and 1/4 Indian. I don't know which tribe yet, > her aunt has all the papers in Boston. What tribes live in Boston? > Anyway, I now have another dark haired, black eyed, little girl, even if > she will be a step grand daughter. I know there will be another one along > in the future also! They always wanted a little girl. <G> What is > weird is, without knowing it.....she named her son Tyler (9), and her > daughter Taylor (4). He named his daughter Taylor (5), and his son Tyler > (4)!! Boy are they gona get mixed up calling kids for supper! > > Sorry, I'm so HAPPY about this, I just had to share it!! LOL I have > always loved her so much, just like a daughter, and now she will be. > > Val, my mother had Cherokee and Choctaw through one grandmother, and > Choctaw through her other grandmother, but she popped up as the only Red > Head in our whole extended family! Guess some of that Irish sort of came > out! LOL > > Markie > > At 09:41 PM 06/16/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >I tell my boys, marry Choctaw! Marry Chickasaw! I can't wait to see a > >beautiful dark haired girl in my family, like me!!! My husband has Choctaw > >roots, he's a redhead! Val > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Graywolf" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 8:44 AM > >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Choctaw Nation Medal of Valor > > > > > >> ABSOLUTELY, Margie! Good insight. And yes, there aren't many full-bloods > >> left. But here's a wild suggestion; why don't we encourage our children > >and > >> grandchildren to find and marry other Choctaws. > >> > >> OK, go ahead and laugh; but I still think it's a good idea. > >> > >> Lucas Graywolf > >> > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

Happy Father's Day to all, and to all that have gone before. Ron

Jim Morrisson: Sorry, I can tell you nothing more than a state census is just a head count of the people living in a state. The "write up" you have is a transcription of the state census. If you looked up that record on microfilm or soundex, that is the information that would be handwritten on the census page. Most genealogy records available on the Internet DO NOT give that much information. They are BRIEF synopses of transcriptions of actual records and usually just list the head of household, county, township or district, year of event and the number assigned to that record. Then it is necessary to go to the library, pick out the microfilm roll that has that numbered record, and scroll thru until it is found. ====== Robin

I told my six kids... marry Native.... did they listen? NOooo... When that old love bug bites, the heart rules the brain ever time. <G> But I'm fixing to get one! She should have been mine 14 years ago and I am thrilled! My son and his first love are back together again! They dated from the 7th grade through high school. Wedding plans made a year after graduation... then they broke up. Each married someone else. Each had two children. 14 years later, they are both on the way to being single and GETTNG MARRIED when they can!! Her father was from Boston and is 1/2 Sicilian, 1/4 black, and 1/4 Indian. I don't know which tribe yet, her aunt has all the papers in Boston. What tribes live in Boston? Anyway, I now have another dark haired, black eyed, little girl, even if she will be a step grand daughter. I know there will be another one along in the future also! They always wanted a little girl. <G> What is weird is, without knowing it.....she named her son Tyler (9), and her daughter Taylor (4). He named his daughter Taylor (5), and his son Tyler (4)!! Boy are they gona get mixed up calling kids for supper! Sorry, I'm so HAPPY about this, I just had to share it!! LOL I have always loved her so much, just like a daughter, and now she will be. Val, my mother had Cherokee and Choctaw through one grandmother, and Choctaw through her other grandmother, but she popped up as the only Red Head in our whole extended family! Guess some of that Irish sort of came out! LOL Markie At 09:41 PM 06/16/2000 -0700, you wrote: >I tell my boys, marry Choctaw! Marry Chickasaw! I can't wait to see a >beautiful dark haired girl in my family, like me!!! My husband has Choctaw >roots, he's a redhead! Val >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Graywolf" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 8:44 AM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Choctaw Nation Medal of Valor > > >> ABSOLUTELY, Margie! Good insight. And yes, there aren't many full-bloods >> left. But here's a wild suggestion; why don't we encourage our children >and >> grandchildren to find and marry other Choctaws. >> >> OK, go ahead and laugh; but I still think it's a good idea. >> >> Lucas Graywolf >>

Anybody know these names? Elias Wells STORY (father: STORY, mother: Phobie Ann BROOKS) born: 15 April 1807, Warren Co., GA died: 18 Dec 1889, Macon Co., AL married: 7 Oct 1852, Tallapoosa Co., AL Mary Emily PATTERSON (father: Archibald PATTERSON, mother: Mary TAYLOR) born: 12 July 1815, Bladen Co., NC death: 13 Dec 1864, Macon Co., AL Any "Hits"? Jim Jim Morrison, Jr. [email protected] www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/

I have a copy of a photo of the James Edmund WILLIAMS Family, taken ca 1893. The WILLIAMS in the photo are listed as: 1) Dona Anna (Scrappie) 2) Rushton Arthur 3) Martha Jane Powell (Mattie) 4) Josephine Adella 5) Thomas Osie 6) Bela Admah 7) Benjamin Edmund 8) Walter Eugene (Pony) 9) Charles Elias 10) George Conrad Not shown: James Edmund WILLIAMS Nevada Eldridge (in Montana) Callie Elizabeth (married and in Texas) Anybody reconize these names? Jim Jim Morrison, Jr. [email protected] www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/

Hi Robin What was this 1855 Census for? Chambers County, AL. The write up I have states: 4 white males under 21 (Edward and George MILFORD and 2 of SHEPPARD's brothers) 1 white male over 21 (James T. SHEPPARD) Head of Household 1 white female under 21 (SHEPPARD's daughter, Terressa BLACKMAN) 1 white female over 21 (Martha Jane (Williams) SHEPPARD) 1 black slave Any help? Jim At 09:39 AM 6/16/00 -0500, you wrote: >Jim Morrisson: > >In 1855, Alabama took a state census. >If you do not have access to Ancestry.com, please give me the names and >counties you are looking for and I will check them for you. > >======= >Robin > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Choctaw Home Page: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > Jim Morrison, Jr. [email protected] www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/

Actually, it's not a new idea! Val ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graywolf" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Choctaw Nation Medal of Valor > GREAT! Lets make this the challenge to our coming generations: MARRY A > CHOCTAW. (Hmmm. Bumper Sticker prospects there!) > > Lucas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Silmon Margie Civ OC-ALC/LIP" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 10:56 AM > Subject: RE: [CHAHTA] Choctaw Nation Medal of Valor > > > > I appreciate that..and No, I'm not laughing, that is exactly what I told > my > > children to do, only they married into other tribes, which at least > they're > > half Choctaw and half of another tribe!! I started in on the > grandchildren > > now and one of them have already promised me she would marry into the > tribe > > ... we ahall see ... hopefully! > > > > Margie Silmon > > OK Choctaw > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Graywolf [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 10:45 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Choctaw Nation Medal of Valor > > > > > > ABSOLUTELY, Margie! Good insight. And yes, there aren't many full-bloods > > left. But here's a wild suggestion; why don't we encourage our children > and > > grandchildren to find and marry other Choctaws. > > > > OK, go ahead and laugh; but I still think it's a good idea. > > > > Lucas Graywolf > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Silmon Margie Civ OC-ALC/LIP" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 9:04 AM > > Subject: RE: [CHAHTA] Choctaw Nation Medal of Valor > > > > > > > You know, sometimes I believe that is why there is so much depression on > > the > > > reservations. The different nations on the rez want to retain their > > > traditions and uphold them but at the same time in order to survive and > > > make it, according to "the other way" they are being forced to live like > > the > > > materialistic, greedy "other way" which isn't the true full blood way > > which > > > clashes with their ways & beliefs and causes a sense of bewilderment and > > > depression. For many, many years the spirit of the different nations > has > > > been tested... > > > > > > I believe in my heart that the spirit of us all will prevail in the > circle > > > of life. However, I hope "we" all understand just what is going on > before > > > it is too late. Full bloods are becoming extinct, as we speak. Just my > > > personal opinon. > > > > > > Margie Silmon > > > OK Choctaw > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: snet [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 8:53 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Choctaw Nation Medal of Valor > > > > > > > > > My father was ashamed to speak of his Native American Choctaw > heritage..We > > > were white and that was that. Dad was born in the back of a wagon > > > Jan.05,1925 around Chickasaw, Okla. area. He met and married mother > who > > > was Cherokee/Irish.Dad lied on his service papers and went to WWII when > > he > > > was 16 as a belly gunner on a bomber in the Navy.I will never understand > > how > > > our so called government could shame a whole race of people into > forsaking > > > their lives,families ,friends,culture all so that no one will know they > > are > > > of Native American descent.I was raised in California and had not a > clue.I > > > found out my true nationality when I started seaching my children > > > linage.Their father is Cheyenne.Imagine my surprise when I discovered my > > > true ancestors were Choctaw.I now have my CDIB and tribal membership > > > cards.Dad died Jan 1997.He took his secrets to the grave with him. .I > > would > > > love to learn of the Tribal ways.I have always walked,talked and danced > > with > > > the spirits and was thought different by others.At least now I am aware > of > > > the reasons for it.If not for the way the government treated the Native > > > American peoples what might our lives have been?? > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Choctaw Home Page: > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Home Page: > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Choctaw Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Choctaw Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm >

I tell my boys, marry Choctaw! Marry Chickasaw! I can't wait to see a beautiful dark haired girl in my family, like me!!! My husband has Choctaw roots, he's a redhead! Val ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graywolf" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Choctaw Nation Medal of Valor > ABSOLUTELY, Margie! Good insight. And yes, there aren't many full-bloods > left. But here's a wild suggestion; why don't we encourage our children and > grandchildren to find and marry other Choctaws. > > OK, go ahead and laugh; but I still think it's a good idea. > > Lucas Graywolf > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Silmon Margie Civ OC-ALC/LIP" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 9:04 AM > Subject: RE: [CHAHTA] Choctaw Nation Medal of Valor > > > > You know, sometimes I believe that is why there is so much depression on > the > > reservations. The different nations on the rez want to retain their > > traditions and uphold them but at the same time in order to survive and > > make it, according to "the other way" they are being forced to live like > the > > materialistic, greedy "other way" which isn't the true full blood way > which > > clashes with their ways & beliefs and causes a sense of bewilderment and > > depression. For many, many years the spirit of the different nations has > > been tested... > > > > I believe in my heart that the spirit of us all will prevail in the circle > > of life. However, I hope "we" all understand just what is going on before > > it is too late. Full bloods are becoming extinct, as we speak. Just my > > personal opinon. > > > > Margie Silmon > > OK Choctaw > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: snet [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 8:53 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Choctaw Nation Medal of Valor > > > > > > My father was ashamed to speak of his Native American Choctaw heritage..We > > were white and that was that. Dad was born in the back of a wagon > > Jan.05,1925 around Chickasaw, Okla. area. He met and married mother who > > was Cherokee/Irish.Dad lied on his service papers and went to WWII when > he > > was 16 as a belly gunner on a bomber in the Navy.I will never understand > how > > our so called government could shame a whole race of people into forsaking > > their lives,families ,friends,culture all so that no one will know they > are > > of Native American descent.I was raised in California and had not a clue.I > > found out my true nationality when I started seaching my children > > linage.Their father is Cheyenne.Imagine my surprise when I discovered my > > true ancestors were Choctaw.I now have my CDIB and tribal membership > > cards.Dad died Jan 1997.He took his secrets to the grave with him. .I > would > > love to learn of the Tribal ways.I have always walked,talked and danced > with > > the spirits and was thought different by others.At least now I am aware of > > the reasons for it.If not for the way the government treated the Native > > American peoples what might our lives have been?? > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Choctaw Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm >

Hi Everyone, I wanted to let everyone know that Fay is in the hospital again. She's in Kings Daughter Hospital in Brookhaven, MS. I just got a message from her sister, so I'm sharing it with you. As you can see, Fay has been unsubscribed from the mail lists until she is home and doing better. She is such a special lady, please remember her in your prayers. Thank you, Markie ********************** Hi Markie, I'm Fay's sister. I've heard so much about you, I feel that I know you. I guess you know that Fay had surgery yesterday. She lost blood flow to her right leg again. I just talked to her. She was sitting up and drinking a cup of coffee. She sounded pretty good, but said that the pain hadn't changed. She doesn't know when she will be home. The doctor said that she had blood clots, which I think are under control. They put in another balloon, but are still concerned about the circulation to the lower part of her body. (right side) They are talking about doing a by-pass. My understanding is that the doctor isn't exactly satisfied with the blood flow to the upper part of her body, but the lower part is worse. The by-pass would be for the main artery in her right leg. Nobody knows if they plan to do the by-pass now, or wait until she gets stronger. She hasn't seen the doctor yet this morning. Fay is such an awesome woman. My life has been so enriched by having her as a sister. I just wish she wasn't so sick. I want to thank you for being her friend. She talks about you all the time. Anyhow, she asked me to email you and get you to unsubscribe her until she gets home. And, please put her in your prayers. Patsy Overstreet

Jim Morrisson: In 1855, Alabama took a state census. If you do not have access to Ancestry.com, please give me the names and counties you are looking for and I will check them for you. ======= Robin