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I hope you don't mind if I but in here, but maybe I can give some information. I know that this is not fair, but it is the way it is. The CDIB stands for " Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood" and is given by the US Department of the Interior Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) Only people who have a CDIB cards can become members of the tribe. Only people who can prove "Direct" descendant from a ancestor who enrolled on the "Dawes Rolls' can get a CDIB card. Even if your ancestor was on rolls taken before the Dawes, but did not enroll on the Dawes, you will not be eligible. You must prove "Direct" descendant. Your Direct ancestor must have enrolled on the Dawes Rolls Example: A full blood Choctaw man has two sons, but this Choctaw man dies before being enrolled on the Dawes. One of his sons (1) proves his Choctaw blood and is enrolled on the Dawes. The other son(2) for what ever reason (see below) does not, and is not enrolled. The descendants of son (1) if they can prove their ancestor was son (1) will be eligible for CDIB cards and tribal membership. The descendants of son (2) will not be eligible for a CRIB card and tribal membership, even if they can prove a connection to the first son and the father. REQUIREMENTS FOR ENROLLMENT 1. Applications had to be submitted during the enrollment period (1899 to 1906) 2. Membership by blood, intermarriage, or adoption into the Tribe 3. Actual residence within the area occupied by the Tribe Persons born after March 4, 1906 were not eligible for enrollment Congress closed the rolls as of March 4, 1907 In a lot of cases people of Indian blood were excluded from the rolls because they did not meet the residency requirements. Some chose not to be included because of the social stigma attached to being Indian at that time. I hope this has help with your understanding of what a CDIB card is and who can get one. As you can see it does not prove who is and who is not Choctaw. Both sons are Choctaw, and the descendants of both have a ancestor who was full blood Choctaw and should be proud of there Choctaw heritage. Tammy Dice Jones [email protected] THE JONES FAMILY OF THE CHOCTAW NATION http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~treetop/jones.html > Hi Sue, Thanks for your note. I am not familiar with the CDIB cards. Can > you give me more info. on this? My gggrandfather was Choctaw ,but he did not > go to OK. with his father{ white-mother Choctaw. From his estate papers and > a relative we learned about all of his family ,except him and a brother, > going to OK. A niece of his went out abt. 1907 and proved her connection. > Through the estate papers we can prove she was his niece. This is all the > proof we have at the present that he was the son of Daniel Anderson. Is that > enough to get any kind of papers. I would appreciate any help you can give. > Doris Brown

Hi Sue, Thanks for your note. I am not familiar with the CDIB cards. Can you give me more info. on this? My gggrandfather was Choctaw ,but he did not go to OK. with his father{ white-mother Choctaw. From his estate papers and a relative we learned about all of his family ,except him and a brother, going to OK. A niece of his went out abt. 1907 and proved her connection. Through the estate papers we can prove she was his niece. This is all the proof we have at the present that he was the son of Daniel Anderson. Is that enough to get any kind of papers. I would appreciate any help you can give. Doris Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Norvin & Sue Kenner <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 3:06 AM Subject: [CHAHTA] <[email protected]> friendship > Thanks to all for the friendship I have shared with you in the past months, as I was hoping to receive any word on my application for CDIB. I kept quiet because I have respect for the dear ones that have been rejected, for lack of a card (CDIB). Thankfully I have just received one and I'm so excited! I have always wanted to be a part of my grandmothers people but didn't have the help I needed. > My name is Susan Kenner (Sue). Maiden name Henry, mothers maiden name Pollard,grand mothers maiden name Vail, grate grandmothers maiden name Folsom. I have more information to share if any one would like it. I live in Oregon and am looking forward to the Spirit Mountain Pow wow, but this time I will wear the glass beaded necklace that my mothers grandmother made her. I don't have any dress to wear. can someone tell me what is acceptable so as not to offend anyone. Thanks so much, Oh I don't see my mail every day so please be patient. Sue > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

Sue GREAT NEWS! One thing that comes to my heart is for Choctaw people to remember you are Choctaw not any of the other tribes that have "fancier" regalia. Until you can get your traditional Choctaw dress, as long as you wear a shawl you can go out on intertribal dancing. To go on grand entry etc. you need your tribal regalia. But to wear another tribes clothes you would have to get permission from an elder of that tribe and have them adopt you into thier tribe. Hey your not tooo far from California, we have people who come to our annual gathering from Oregon and Wash. Visit our web for more information www.oklachahta.org our send us your address and/or email and we will put you on mailing list. Theresa Harrison, Liaison Okla Chahta Clan of CA., Inc. [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Norvin & Sue Kenner <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 1:06 AM Subject: [CHAHTA] <[email protected]> friendship > Thanks to all for the friendship I have shared with you in the past months, as I was hoping to receive any word on my application for CDIB. I kept quiet because I have respect for the dear ones that have been rejected, for lack of a card (CDIB). Thankfully I have just received one and I'm so excited! I have always wanted to be a part of my grandmothers people but didn't have the help I needed. > My name is Susan Kenner (Sue). Maiden name Henry, mothers maiden name Pollard,grand mothers maiden name Vail, grate grandmothers maiden name Folsom. I have more information to share if any one would like it. I live in Oregon and am looking forward to the Spirit Mountain Pow wow, but this time I will wear the glass beaded necklace that my mothers grandmother made her. I don't have any dress to wear. can someone tell me what is acceptable so as not to offend anyone. Thanks so much, Oh I don't see my mail every day so please be patient. Sue > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

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sent you a private email, let me know if you do not get it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michelle He. <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 10:09 AM Subject: [CHAHTA] Family history... any info would be appreciated... > Hello, > I am looking for anyone who can help me find my family history... My > grandpas mother was an original enrolee of the choctaw tribe... below is the > names of my grandpa and as far as we can go up... any additional information > would be greatly appreciated :) thank you so much! > > > My grandpa was: > DONALD GENE CLOUD > Born: May 1, 1927 > Died: June 14, 1994 > Born in Oklahoma died in huntsville, Alabama > > His Mom was an original enrolee ( I have a copy of it but haven't figured > out how to scan it yet... it says on it the enrollment of the choctaw nation > but residence in chickasaw nation... ther roll no for the family was 817, > 818, 819, 820, that encluded her dad and siblings) > > Her name: Estie Lee James > Born: July 27, 1901 > Died: October 24, 1979 > > Her dads name: Rogers Hunter James (indian) > Born: 1857 > Died: June 1948 > > His dad: Asa W. James > born: ? > Died: ? > His Mom: Elzira Hunter > Born: ? > Died: ? > Her moms name was: Gertha Moody (white) > Born: 1878 > Died: 1952 > > Her mom: Martina Moody > Born: ? > Died: ? > Her Dad: J.B. Moody > Born: ? > Died: ? > > Thanks for all your help, I am just 18 and a college student > and am trying hard along with my sister to get as much info as we can to > pass down... we are both currently members of the choctaw tribe... thank you > for all your time.... > > Sincerely, > Michelle Herrmann > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > >

Hello, I am looking for anyone who can help me find my family history... My grandpas mother was an original enrolee of the choctaw tribe... below is the names of my grandpa and as far as we can go up... any additional information would be greatly appreciated :) thank you so much! My grandpa was: DONALD GENE CLOUD Born: May 1, 1927 Died: June 14, 1994 Born in Oklahoma died in huntsville, Alabama His Mom was an original enrolee ( I have a copy of it but haven't figured out how to scan it yet... it says on it the enrollment of the choctaw nation but residence in chickasaw nation... ther roll no for the family was 817, 818, 819, 820, that encluded her dad and siblings) Her name: Estie Lee James Born: July 27, 1901 Died: October 24, 1979 Her dads name: Rogers Hunter James (indian) Born: 1857 Died: June 1948 His dad: Asa W. James born: ? Died: ? His Mom: Elzira Hunter Born: ? Died: ? Her moms name was: Gertha Moody (white) Born: 1878 Died: 1952 Her mom: Martina Moody Born: ? Died: ? Her Dad: J.B. Moody Born: ? Died: ? Thanks for all your help, I am just 18 and a college student and am trying hard along with my sister to get as much info as we can to pass down... we are both currently members of the choctaw tribe... thank you for all your time.... Sincerely, Michelle Herrmann ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Hello, I am looking for anyone who can help me find my family history... My grandpas mother was an original enrolee of the choctaw tribe... below is the names of my grandpa and as far as we can go up... any additional information would be greatly appreciated :) thank you so much! My grandpa was: DONALD GENE CLOUD Born: May 1, 1927 Died: June 14, 1994 Born in Oklahoma died in huntsville, Alabama His Mom was an original enrolee ( I have a copy of it but haven't figured out how to scan it yet... it says on it the enrollment of the choctaw nation but residence in chickasaw nation... ther roll no for the family was 817, 818, 819, 820, that encluded her dad and siblings) Her name: Estie Lee James Born: July 27, 1901 Died: October 24, 1979 Her dads name: Rogers Hunter James (indian) Born: 1857 Died: June 1948 His dad: Asa W. James born: ? Died: ? His Mom: Elzira Hunter Born: ? Died: ? Her moms name was: Gertha Moody (white) Born: 1878 Died: 1952 Her mom: Martina Moody Born: ? Died: ? Her Dad: J.B. Moody Born: ? Died: ? Thanks for all your help, I am just 18 and a college student and am trying hard along with my sister to get as much info as we can to pass down... we are both currently members of the choctaw tribe... thank you for all your time.... Sincerely, Michelle Herrmann ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Margie, I have been off line for almost two weeks now due to a move to a new address. I am back on temporarily. Glad you have enjoyed what I sent. We will correspond about it later after you and I get settled in from our busy schedules. Lucas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Silmon Margie Civ OC-ALC/LIP" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 7:14 AM Subject: RE: [CHAHTA] Choctaw Nation Medal of Valor > Hi Lucas: I did not forget you ... The following week after I got all the > info you sent I only got to read a little but I am so grateful and > appreciative of this, Thank you so much. This past week was pretty hectic. > My son, from Tennessee came down and I took off a few days to visit with > him, so I've not been on the computer. Haven't seen any on your comments on > there lately. But I know only a few times I throw in my two cents or when > something about a potential relative comes up. Hope you and your family had > a fruitful 4th. Later. > > > > Marge > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graywolf [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 10:45 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Choctaw Nation Medal of Valor > > > ABSOLUTELY, Margie! Good insight. And yes, there aren't many full-bloods > left. But here's a wild suggestion; why don't we encourage our children and > grandchildren to find and marry other Choctaws. > > OK, go ahead and laugh; but I still think it's a good idea. > > Lucas Graywolf > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Silmon Margie Civ OC-ALC/LIP" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 9:04 AM > Subject: RE: [CHAHTA] Choctaw Nation Medal of Valor > > > > You know, sometimes I believe that is why there is so much depression on > the > > reservations. The different nations on the rez want to retain their > > traditions and uphold them but at the same time in order to survive and > > make it, according to "the other way" they are being forced to live like > the > > materialistic, greedy "other way" which isn't the true full blood way > which > > clashes with their ways & beliefs and causes a sense of bewilderment and > > depression. For many, many years the spirit of the different nations has > > been tested... > > > > I believe in my heart that the spirit of us all will prevail in the circle > > of life. However, I hope "we" all understand just what is going on before > > it is too late. Full bloods are becoming extinct, as we speak. Just my > > personal opinon. > > > > Margie Silmon > > OK Choctaw > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: snet [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 8:53 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Choctaw Nation Medal of Valor > > > > > > My father was ashamed to speak of his Native American Choctaw heritage..We > > were white and that was that. Dad was born in the back of a wagon > > Jan.05,1925 around Chickasaw, Okla. area. He met and married mother who > > was Cherokee/Irish.Dad lied on his service papers and went to WWII when > he > > was 16 as a belly gunner on a bomber in the Navy.I will never understand > how > > our so called government could shame a whole race of people into forsaking > > their lives,families ,friends,culture all so that no one will know they > are > > of Native American descent.I was raised in California and had not a clue.I > > found out my true nationality when I started seaching my children > > linage.Their father is Cheyenne.Imagine my surprise when I discovered my > > true ancestors were Choctaw.I now have my CDIB and tribal membership > > cards.Dad died Jan 1997.He took his secrets to the grave with him. .I > would > > love to learn of the Tribal ways.I have always walked,talked and danced > with > > the spirits and was thought different by others.At least now I am aware of > > the reasons for it.If not for the way the government treated the Native > > American peoples what might our lives have been?? > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Choctaw Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > >

i keep getting this choctaw digest with nothing in it ..... ??

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unsubscribe [email protected] wrote: > Subject: > > CHAHTA-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 83 > > Today's Topics: > #1 RE: [CHAHTA] Choctaw Nation Medal [Silmon Margie Civ OC-ALC/LIP <Marg] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from CHAHTA-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > To contact the CHAHTA-D list administrator, send mail to > [email protected] > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: [CHAHTA] Choctaw Nation Medal of Valor > Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:14:32 -0500 > From: Silmon Margie Civ OC-ALC/LIP <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Hi Lucas: I did not forget you ... The following week after I got all the > info you sent I only got to read a little but I am so grateful and > appreciative of this, Thank you so much. This past week was pretty hectic. > My son, from Tennessee came down and I took off a few days to visit with > him, so I've not been on the computer. Haven't seen any on your comments on > there lately. But I know only a few times I throw in my two cents or when > something about a potential relative comes up. Hope you and your family had > a fruitful 4th. Later. > > Marge > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graywolf [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 10:45 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Choctaw Nation Medal of Valor > > ABSOLUTELY, Margie! Good insight. And yes, there aren't many full-bloods > left. But here's a wild suggestion; why don't we encourage our children and > grandchildren to find and marry other Choctaws. > > OK, go ahead and laugh; but I still think it's a good idea. > > Lucas Graywolf > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Silmon Margie Civ OC-ALC/LIP" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 9:04 AM > Subject: RE: [CHAHTA] Choctaw Nation Medal of Valor > > > You know, sometimes I believe that is why there is so much depression on > the > > reservations. The different nations on the rez want to retain their > > traditions and uphold them but at the same time in order to survive and > > make it, according to "the other way" they are being forced to live like > the > > materialistic, greedy "other way" which isn't the true full blood way > which > > clashes with their ways & beliefs and causes a sense of bewilderment and > > depression. For many, many years the spirit of the different nations has > > been tested... > > > > I believe in my heart that the spirit of us all will prevail in the circle > > of life. However, I hope "we" all understand just what is going on before > > it is too late. Full bloods are becoming extinct, as we speak. Just my > > personal opinon. > > > > Margie Silmon > > OK Choctaw > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: snet [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 8:53 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Choctaw Nation Medal of Valor > > > > > > My father was ashamed to speak of his Native American Choctaw heritage..We > > were white and that was that. Dad was born in the back of a wagon > > Jan.05,1925 around Chickasaw, Okla. area. He met and married mother who > > was Cherokee/Irish.Dad lied on his service papers and went to WWII when > he > > was 16 as a belly gunner on a bomber in the Navy.I will never understand > how > > our so called government could shame a whole race of people into forsaking > > their lives,families ,friends,culture all so that no one will know they > are > > of Native American descent.I was raised in California and had not a clue.I > > found out my true nationality when I started seaching my children > > linage.Their father is Cheyenne.Imagine my surprise when I discovered my > > true ancestors were Choctaw.I now have my CDIB and tribal membership > > cards.Dad died Jan 1997.He took his secrets to the grave with him. .I > would > > love to learn of the Tribal ways.I have always walked,talked and danced > with > > the spirits and was thought different by others.At least now I am aware of > > the reasons for it.If not for the way the government treated the Native > > American peoples what might our lives have been?? > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Choctaw Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm

Hi Lucas: I did not forget you ... The following week after I got all the info you sent I only got to read a little but I am so grateful and appreciative of this, Thank you so much. This past week was pretty hectic. My son, from Tennessee came down and I took off a few days to visit with him, so I've not been on the computer. Haven't seen any on your comments on there lately. But I know only a few times I throw in my two cents or when something about a potential relative comes up. Hope you and your family had a fruitful 4th. Later. Marge -----Original Message----- From: Graywolf [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 10:45 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Choctaw Nation Medal of Valor ABSOLUTELY, Margie! Good insight. And yes, there aren't many full-bloods left. But here's a wild suggestion; why don't we encourage our children and grandchildren to find and marry other Choctaws. OK, go ahead and laugh; but I still think it's a good idea. Lucas Graywolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Silmon Margie Civ OC-ALC/LIP" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 9:04 AM Subject: RE: [CHAHTA] Choctaw Nation Medal of Valor > You know, sometimes I believe that is why there is so much depression on the > reservations. The different nations on the rez want to retain their > traditions and uphold them but at the same time in order to survive and > make it, according to "the other way" they are being forced to live like the > materialistic, greedy "other way" which isn't the true full blood way which > clashes with their ways & beliefs and causes a sense of bewilderment and > depression. For many, many years the spirit of the different nations has > been tested... > > I believe in my heart that the spirit of us all will prevail in the circle > of life. However, I hope "we" all understand just what is going on before > it is too late. Full bloods are becoming extinct, as we speak. Just my > personal opinon. > > Margie Silmon > OK Choctaw > > -----Original Message----- > From: snet [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 8:53 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Choctaw Nation Medal of Valor > > > My father was ashamed to speak of his Native American Choctaw heritage..We > were white and that was that. Dad was born in the back of a wagon > Jan.05,1925 around Chickasaw, Okla. area. He met and married mother who > was Cherokee/Irish.Dad lied on his service papers and went to WWII when he > was 16 as a belly gunner on a bomber in the Navy.I will never understand how > our so called government could shame a whole race of people into forsaking > their lives,families ,friends,culture all so that no one will know they are > of Native American descent.I was raised in California and had not a clue.I > found out my true nationality when I started seaching my children > linage.Their father is Cheyenne.Imagine my surprise when I discovered my > true ancestors were Choctaw.I now have my CDIB and tribal membership > cards.Dad died Jan 1997.He took his secrets to the grave with him. .I would > love to learn of the Tribal ways.I have always walked,talked and danced with > the spirits and was thought different by others.At least now I am aware of > the reasons for it.If not for the way the government treated the Native > American peoples what might our lives have been?? > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== Choctaw Home Page: http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm

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I wanted to let everyone know that I have heard from Fay, and she is home after her surgery. She had a by-pass in one of the arteries in her stomach for her leg. She said it would be a slow recovery, and could only sit for 10 or 15 min. a day. But thank God, she is going to be back with us. <VBS> I have been having major computer problems, and since I can't afford a new one.... haha... I'm getting ready to take this one down, reformat the hard drive, and bring it back up again.... soooo... I'll be back soon. (I hope) <G>. Take care, & blessings Markie

Amzi Robinson married 'Emily Folsom, dau. of Nathaniel Folsom in Old Nation before emigration to New Choctaw Nation. They had three children that I have been able to account for: James, Calvin and Lucy Ann. Have been unable to trace Amzi's ancestors. Does any one have suggestions or information. Fay Robinson [email protected]

James Alexander Robinson, my grandfather, was born in 1859 in Blue Co. I.T. to James and Emeline Folsom Robinson. His first wife was Mary Riddle and following her death married Peal Lee Billlingsley, dau. of George M. and Amanda Jane Price. I have recently been reading about possibility of his having been involved in criminal activities before becoming U.S. Marshal (that is underproven) and Indian Law Official. Does anyone have information or suggestion? Fay Robinson [email protected]

"Have I any apology to make for loving the Indians? The Indians have always loved me, and why should I not love the Indians? I love the people who have always made me welcome to the best they had. I love the people who are honest without law, who have no jails and no poor-houses. I love the people who keep the commandments without ever had read them or heard the preached from the pulpit. I love the people who never swear, who never take the name of God in vain. I love the people who love their neighbors as themselves. I love people who worship God without a Bible, for I believe that God loves them, too. I love a people whose religion is all the same and who are free from religious rows. I love a people who have never raised a hand against me or stolen my property, where there was no law to punish for either. I love a people who have never fought a battle with white men except on their own ground. I love and don't fear mankind where God has made and left them, for they are children. I love a people who live and keep what is their own without locks and keys. I love all people who do the best they can, and, Oh! how I love a people who don't live for the love of money." (From page 476, History of the Choctaw, Chickasaw and Natchez Indians, by H.B. Chushmam, 1972 Re-issue by Russell & Russell) Jim Morrison, Jr. [email protected] www2.coastalnet.com/~g7d3j4nb/

Can anyone tell me if there is any particular significance to person's names ending in -tim ma or ending in -to na? MH