Dodie, This was along time ago that I was his ginnie pig ! 12 years or better. But his class did this experiment, and they did find that this ESP thing is more dominate in women, but is in men. I don't remember any ethnic statistics. But it was found that with the women it was more often, and clearer "pictures" when the moon is full. This used to bother me to have this, when I was a child. But now I like it. The way mine works is, like when my daughter or son is getting ready to do something, it just comes to me, FAST!! like a fast movie. Its always a protective type thing. If I say don't do that, your going to get hurt, even if they are aways off and cannot here what I am saying. I just see what is going to happen. And most often they ignore me and keep going, and just like I saw what was going to happen, just like frame by frame of a movie. It can be very spooky, like when I'm driving, and have a choice of route to go somewhere, some times it happens then. I once saw myself in an accident, it was very scary, I took the next turn off of the freeway. and that was where it happened when I got off the freeway, someone rear-ended me and pushed me into a ditch. It didn't save me from that but I saw it before it happened. I have asked my aunt if this ran in the family, but she said she had never heard of anyone having this in our family. Brandi

Tina, that is heart wrenching, i am so sorry for your son, he is not going to beable to take back this hurt he has done to you. he is going to realize one day, how much he has missed with you. Hold to your faith, he'll get wise someday. we all do. Its very dificult to be a mother. Brandi

I use to have really weird dreams. I thought they were not connected to my dreams that come to me and warn me of something but now I know different. I had this one dream when I was pregnant the first time where this little old lady was in a chest of drawers and when ever I opened the drawers I would see her now I know why I dreamed this dream all 9 months I was pregnant. It was a warning that I would never have the kind of connection I wanted with the child I was carrying. And to this day I am not close with my son it is like I am the little old lady and he is the one opening and closing the drawer just like he opens and closes the door on ur relationship. Tina Inches make a champion.

That is really interesting about the moon affecting it. I had never even considered that. Did you discover anything else in this test? Has anyone else noticed any correlation with the moon changes? Dodie [email protected] wrote: > I have something like that, but more the dashavu'e kind of thing, but I have > it a lot. I had a friend in college that was in some class and he used me as > a subject for some ESP lecture he had to give, we had a "session" of > questions and answer for and hour everyday for three months. and what it > showed was that when the moon was at its fullest, i would have more, some > times three to four a day, and when no moon, or just a sliver, no dashavu'e > episodes. I never have thought to much about it, but it does happen a lot. > My daughter is starting to do the same, my son shows no signs or he's just to > busy to listen to them. > > Brandi > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures.......

Hi, Dodie, I have had several strong dreams that have come true. The first one when I was 8 or 9. They are never good ones. I have also seen things when I was awake, like through a curtain. I am a little Choctaw for sure. Cherokee, not sure. Mary

i have feelings when I am gone from hom for an hour or all day. I know when somethig has happened and usually the feelings are correct I do not know ofa time when they were not. I also have the dreams they use to scare me when I was little but now my daughter has them also. It is scary for her but she has learned to adjust t them. Tina Inches make a champion.

I'm glad I brought it help, I think it helps us to know others do this. I have never had an experience like yours but have had other tell of similar things. Dodie Juli Kearns wrote: > For me, one of the more striking experiences I've had, down this line of > discussion, was the following: > > My husband and I were visiting one afternoon with a friend of his. I'd not > met him or his wife before. She was not yet home. When she entered, as I > looked at her I saw a Chahta spirit moving with her. It was not her, not > her soul or spirit, not an aura of her that I was seeing, it was > specifically a Chahta spirit. I'm not speaking of something which > possesses its own personality...and not a ghost. What I saw (and I saw it, > didn't just feel it) was a spirit of numerous generations, of people. And > I blurted, "You're part Choctaw, aren't you?" She answered yes, she was. > Her grandmother was Choctaw, her grandfather French Canadian. She was > blond, fair-skinned... > > Like me, in that respect. The reason the incident was significant to me is > that I've a Chahta ancestress (Oklahoma, mid 1800's) I've not been able to > locate. To look at me most people would think it ludicrous that I would > begin to claim Chahta blood. Though I've had several people ask me over > the years if I was part American Indian...they say it's my eyes (epicanthic > eyefolds), high cheekbones and something about the set of my features. I > was made fun of by my family and schoolmates for my eyes as I looked > different. I used to sketch alot when I was young and someone finally > asked a relative why I always drew people with American Indian features, > which is when my family said, "Oh, that must be because of the Choctaw." > > I dream quite a bit about meetings with "shaman" spirits. They speak about > taking the land back; talk about spritually surviving in part by having > gone "underground", the spirit surviving by their concealing it in their > work, so it was still expressed, but was unrecognized by whites. I don't > dream about meeting with ancestral Irish shamanistic types. Or French or > English. I know the Chahta origins involve the mound-builders, but for > some reason I dream repeatedly also about a MesoAmerican connection, of > following my "brother" Quetzlcoatyl down into Central and South America (as > if both a physical and spiritual journey) and then returning. Ten years > ago when I was passing through the "Painted Desert" I saw for the first > time petroglyphs in person. I dreamt that night that as I looked at the > rock, a man stepped out of it and began to speak to me, which was the rock > speaking. A spirit whose appearance was American Indian (I say appearance > though he was "beyond" that) and I was surprised we were able to so easily > communicate. He spoke with me (a woman followed) and then they were joined > by a third person who I thought of as being a younger girl and they went on > with their journey. I didn't know at the time that so many petroglyphs are > records of journeys. Perhaps the rock I was looking at was one of such, I > can't now find the picture I took of it. > > I dream about the Pecos pueblos. I was aware of the Pueblos, but I didn't > know of the Pecos pueblos until I dreamt of taking a spiritual journey (yet > I was also walking and the environs were quite vivid) to a "height" which > had to do with them, and receiving instruction from shaman spirits in the > dream in how to act when in the company of the ancestral spirits...that we > communicated by removing our faces, and he did so and I wasn't surprised, > for as I said to him I had done this before. It was a month after the > dream, the fires buring near Los Alamos, that I was reminded of the dream, > that I had been, in the dream, very near there at a place specifically to > do with "Pecos" and looked up and found out a bit about the Pecos. > > At any rate, if anything has been difficult for me about this it is that I > have had no one with whom to speak about any of this. My husband > understands (found out a few years ago he has a Cherokee ancestress we > hadn't known about, now have a picture of her) but he doesn't have such > experiences. It used to be distressing for me to be someone who couldn't > legally show, "Yes, see, I am part Chahta." No paper to speak for me. > Though this is no longer troubling to me, not since I saw the Chahta spirit > myself, I am still sometimes troubled that I should be ridiculed by > individuals who can legally claim ancestry for my feeling this inheritance, > that they would believe I want a little Chahta blood for a bit of "Oh, how > neat" decoration. Because for me the dreams and experiences came unbidden. > And what they create is an atmosphere apart from much that surrounds me > culturally (though we have a rather "different" culture in our own > household) so that I feel I am part of a living inheritance, and feel an > essential drive to fulfill my part in it. I understand the resentment of > individuals who feel a so-called "conquering" culture would now seek to > claim to be Chahta or Cherokee, as if this legitimizes their "place." > Understand the resentment also because of the gross suffering that has been > experienced, and the nightmarish privilege of being the survivor of a so > recent and still largely unrecogonized attempt at complete genocide (yes, I > did mean to say nightmarish, in that to be privileged as a child of > survivors is not only perpetual testimony to strength but also to horror). > > And yet some how, some way, despite my fair skin, I have in me also that > same survivor inheritance. It lives. It speaks to me. It comes in dreams > and says, "Look and learn." It says it still lives in me and that > surreptitiously, despite the effort at genocide, that inheritance is strong > and continuing. > > Forgive me if this sounds trite, but there are people who have spoken to me > about feeling failures, and according to what I know about them, if I feel > it appropriate I ask them "failures by what standard? So, you haven't > accomplished what the status quo begs. Why are you purchasing that the > status quo is right? Why accept that measure of success at all?" I think > of Black Elk's vision and how he cried and said it was a great vision given > to someone too weak to fulfill it. But he also understood as the years > went on that the vision was far more than his initial comprehension of it. > The reclamation of a land by a "people". If I bring this up it is because > despite how significant to me any Chahta inheritance I have, no matter how > significantly it seeks as if to have me recognize it, to get caught up in > the passion of some racial pride is not the point. I am not saying that to > have esteem in and pride for one's ancestral legacy is not appropriate. It > is. But I personally believe the "people" observed in Black Elk's vision > are not to be qualified by blood legacy alone. I think instead in terms of > spirit, and yes blood plays a part as well, but in contributing to and > fortifying the whole with its unique and special inheritance. Black Elk, > as with many others, was the carrier of a vision which was not dependent > upon him, but which he did manage to broadcast...and such a great > vision...and yet by the status quo that grinds many into the ground he > would be considered a failure? Preposterous. > > Sorry for the length of this email. I have not spoken about this before to > anyone other than my husband. As the subject of spiritual or psychic > inheritance was brought up, I thought I might contribute a little. > > Thanks for permitting me to ramble. > > Juli > > (By the way, I have Strickland ancestors as well, married into the line > which was part Chahta, in Oklahoma. My husband's family all hail largely > from Washington and Tangipahoa Parishes for the past century and a half.) > > At 02:19 PM 8/30/00 -0500, you wrote: > >I am a man. I have many experiences of a spiritual and /or psychic nature, > >also. > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures.......

I always "sensed" things from birth and thought everyone did so I never mentioned it. I just knew things before it happened. When I was about 20, I found out everyone didn't do it then I really didn't like after that. Now it doesn't bother me seems like when I became aware everyone didn't do this, my it wasn't as strong. Dodie Choctaw wrote: > Dodie, I have done this all my life. Not always dreams, but sometimes when > I'm awake. I used to think that if I told someone, it wouldn't come true > (good or bad). But doesn't really matter much. I was always told I "saw > things" like my G-Grandmother. She was Chahta. My Mom-in-law is Cherokee > and she and her mother both do the same thing. It's good that she > understands me. The family pretty much doesn't doubt us anymore. > Quick story: The other day, I was doing dishes and I heard someone say > "Chris, I've cut off my finger". No one was in the room by Chris (my > husband) and I. And I still had my fingers. The next night, my brother in > law was trying to open an "exacto" knife. I said, don't do that and > explained why. He promptly handed the knife to my husband and wouldn't use > it. > It feels good to be taken seriously now and then. > Shelley > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm

For me, one of the more striking experiences I've had, down this line of discussion, was the following: My husband and I were visiting one afternoon with a friend of his. I'd not met him or his wife before. She was not yet home. When she entered, as I looked at her I saw a Chahta spirit moving with her. It was not her, not her soul or spirit, not an aura of her that I was seeing, it was specifically a Chahta spirit. I'm not speaking of something which possesses its own personality...and not a ghost. What I saw (and I saw it, didn't just feel it) was a spirit of numerous generations, of people. And I blurted, "You're part Choctaw, aren't you?" She answered yes, she was. Her grandmother was Choctaw, her grandfather French Canadian. She was blond, fair-skinned... Like me, in that respect. The reason the incident was significant to me is that I've a Chahta ancestress (Oklahoma, mid 1800's) I've not been able to locate. To look at me most people would think it ludicrous that I would begin to claim Chahta blood. Though I've had several people ask me over the years if I was part American Indian...they say it's my eyes (epicanthic eyefolds), high cheekbones and something about the set of my features. I was made fun of by my family and schoolmates for my eyes as I looked different. I used to sketch alot when I was young and someone finally asked a relative why I always drew people with American Indian features, which is when my family said, "Oh, that must be because of the Choctaw." I dream quite a bit about meetings with "shaman" spirits. They speak about taking the land back; talk about spritually surviving in part by having gone "underground", the spirit surviving by their concealing it in their work, so it was still expressed, but was unrecognized by whites. I don't dream about meeting with ancestral Irish shamanistic types. Or French or English. I know the Chahta origins involve the mound-builders, but for some reason I dream repeatedly also about a MesoAmerican connection, of following my "brother" Quetzlcoatyl down into Central and South America (as if both a physical and spiritual journey) and then returning. Ten years ago when I was passing through the "Painted Desert" I saw for the first time petroglyphs in person. I dreamt that night that as I looked at the rock, a man stepped out of it and began to speak to me, which was the rock speaking. A spirit whose appearance was American Indian (I say appearance though he was "beyond" that) and I was surprised we were able to so easily communicate. He spoke with me (a woman followed) and then they were joined by a third person who I thought of as being a younger girl and they went on with their journey. I didn't know at the time that so many petroglyphs are records of journeys. Perhaps the rock I was looking at was one of such, I can't now find the picture I took of it. I dream about the Pecos pueblos. I was aware of the Pueblos, but I didn't know of the Pecos pueblos until I dreamt of taking a spiritual journey (yet I was also walking and the environs were quite vivid) to a "height" which had to do with them, and receiving instruction from shaman spirits in the dream in how to act when in the company of the ancestral spirits...that we communicated by removing our faces, and he did so and I wasn't surprised, for as I said to him I had done this before. It was a month after the dream, the fires buring near Los Alamos, that I was reminded of the dream, that I had been, in the dream, very near there at a place specifically to do with "Pecos" and looked up and found out a bit about the Pecos. At any rate, if anything has been difficult for me about this it is that I have had no one with whom to speak about any of this. My husband understands (found out a few years ago he has a Cherokee ancestress we hadn't known about, now have a picture of her) but he doesn't have such experiences. It used to be distressing for me to be someone who couldn't legally show, "Yes, see, I am part Chahta." No paper to speak for me. Though this is no longer troubling to me, not since I saw the Chahta spirit myself, I am still sometimes troubled that I should be ridiculed by individuals who can legally claim ancestry for my feeling this inheritance, that they would believe I want a little Chahta blood for a bit of "Oh, how neat" decoration. Because for me the dreams and experiences came unbidden. And what they create is an atmosphere apart from much that surrounds me culturally (though we have a rather "different" culture in our own household) so that I feel I am part of a living inheritance, and feel an essential drive to fulfill my part in it. I understand the resentment of individuals who feel a so-called "conquering" culture would now seek to claim to be Chahta or Cherokee, as if this legitimizes their "place." Understand the resentment also because of the gross suffering that has been experienced, and the nightmarish privilege of being the survivor of a so recent and still largely unrecogonized attempt at complete genocide (yes, I did mean to say nightmarish, in that to be privileged as a child of survivors is not only perpetual testimony to strength but also to horror). And yet some how, some way, despite my fair skin, I have in me also that same survivor inheritance. It lives. It speaks to me. It comes in dreams and says, "Look and learn." It says it still lives in me and that surreptitiously, despite the effort at genocide, that inheritance is strong and continuing. Forgive me if this sounds trite, but there are people who have spoken to me about feeling failures, and according to what I know about them, if I feel it appropriate I ask them "failures by what standard? So, you haven't accomplished what the status quo begs. Why are you purchasing that the status quo is right? Why accept that measure of success at all?" I think of Black Elk's vision and how he cried and said it was a great vision given to someone too weak to fulfill it. But he also understood as the years went on that the vision was far more than his initial comprehension of it. The reclamation of a land by a "people". If I bring this up it is because despite how significant to me any Chahta inheritance I have, no matter how significantly it seeks as if to have me recognize it, to get caught up in the passion of some racial pride is not the point. I am not saying that to have esteem in and pride for one's ancestral legacy is not appropriate. It is. But I personally believe the "people" observed in Black Elk's vision are not to be qualified by blood legacy alone. I think instead in terms of spirit, and yes blood plays a part as well, but in contributing to and fortifying the whole with its unique and special inheritance. Black Elk, as with many others, was the carrier of a vision which was not dependent upon him, but which he did manage to broadcast...and such a great vision...and yet by the status quo that grinds many into the ground he would be considered a failure? Preposterous. Sorry for the length of this email. I have not spoken about this before to anyone other than my husband. As the subject of spiritual or psychic inheritance was brought up, I thought I might contribute a little. Thanks for permitting me to ramble. Juli (By the way, I have Strickland ancestors as well, married into the line which was part Chahta, in Oklahoma. My husband's family all hail largely from Washington and Tangipahoa Parishes for the past century and a half.) At 02:19 PM 8/30/00 -0500, you wrote: >I am a man. I have many experiences of a spiritual and /or psychic nature, >also.

I believe your credibility is in tact. When I mentioned it's a woman thing, I did not mean men were excluded. Women are more open about it I think. Medicine men have this gift. I had a feeling the Cherokee were not the only Indians had this ability. Dodie Crazy Diamond wrote: > I am a man. I have many experiences of a spiritual and /or psychic nature, > also. Through my mother I have a Sicilian folk-healer connection as my > great-grandmother was very skilled in healing herbs and spells. Also through > my mother's line is the Choctaw line by way of the Varnados(and French). > They used to say it was the Strickland line from Ulster(No. Ireland) that > had "the touch", which, for me at least, is the same line the Varnado line > comes through. I feel strongly, however, that some of that "touch" comes > from the Choctaw line. It's almost as if the ancestors are telling me this. > Then also there is the spirit of place. I live in Robert, LA between Hammond > and Covington, less than 30 miles from where the old Lacombe Choctaw > community was. Perhaps, in my case it is a blending of all these lines. We > are all who came before us. At a place north of here, near Amite, LA, at an > old market gathering place for the local tribes long ago, I had a past life > flash from a well-worn to a polish rock that fit my hand perfectly in two > ways. It is a gray rock, maybe granite. I knew I had held this stone in a > previous life. It was given to me by a lady, without my asking and as my > only payment, whose house I had tried to calm because of a spirit that was > not making itself known, but just being very obviously there. She still had > some uneasiness later and was contacting folks in California about it. She > would smell the lady's perfume. I could sense her in a rocking chair sewing > in a room. > Well, there goes my credibility. Wee-hoo! > Kevin Frindik > Please note I have another e-mail address now. It is [email protected] > -----Original Message----- > From: Dodie <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:20 AM > Subject: [CHAHTA] Question > > >I am 1/8 Cherokee so I am on a Cherokee list. The subject of dreams have > >come up. Most of the people have dreams that come true and they know at > >the time they are like predictions. My mother who was Cherokee was > >amazing at this. I have this gift also but not as strongly as my mother. > >Have any of you had this experience? Trying to decided if it is a > >Cherokee thing or if others have this gift also. I am am much more > >Chahta than Cherokee and consider myself Chahta so naturally wonder if > >our people have this gift also. My father never did this, but it seems > >to be more a woman thing anyway. > >Dodie > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > >Choctaw Home Page: > >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm

Ohh, forgot to mention, my daughter does it too...just like I did at her age. She sometimes freaks out her friends at school, so she has started trying to "keep her mouth shut". I keep reassuring her that it's natural and not to let it bother her. Shelley

Dodie, I have done this all my life. Not always dreams, but sometimes when I'm awake. I used to think that if I told someone, it wouldn't come true (good or bad). But doesn't really matter much. I was always told I "saw things" like my G-Grandmother. She was Chahta. My Mom-in-law is Cherokee and she and her mother both do the same thing. It's good that she understands me. The family pretty much doesn't doubt us anymore. Quick story: The other day, I was doing dishes and I heard someone say "Chris, I've cut off my finger". No one was in the room by Chris (my husband) and I. And I still had my fingers. The next night, my brother in law was trying to open an "exacto" knife. I said, don't do that and explained why. He promptly handed the knife to my husband and wouldn't use it. It feels good to be taken seriously now and then. Shelley

I am a man. I have many experiences of a spiritual and /or psychic nature, also. Through my mother I have a Sicilian folk-healer connection as my great-grandmother was very skilled in healing herbs and spells. Also through my mother's line is the Choctaw line by way of the Varnados(and French). They used to say it was the Strickland line from Ulster(No. Ireland) that had "the touch", which, for me at least, is the same line the Varnado line comes through. I feel strongly, however, that some of that "touch" comes from the Choctaw line. It's almost as if the ancestors are telling me this. Then also there is the spirit of place. I live in Robert, LA between Hammond and Covington, less than 30 miles from where the old Lacombe Choctaw community was. Perhaps, in my case it is a blending of all these lines. We are all who came before us. At a place north of here, near Amite, LA, at an old market gathering place for the local tribes long ago, I had a past life flash from a well-worn to a polish rock that fit my hand perfectly in two ways. It is a gray rock, maybe granite. I knew I had held this stone in a previous life. It was given to me by a lady, without my asking and as my only payment, whose house I had tried to calm because of a spirit that was not making itself known, but just being very obviously there. She still had some uneasiness later and was contacting folks in California about it. She would smell the lady's perfume. I could sense her in a rocking chair sewing in a room. Well, there goes my credibility. Wee-hoo! Kevin Frindik Please note I have another e-mail address now. It is [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Dodie <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:20 AM Subject: [CHAHTA] Question >I am 1/8 Cherokee so I am on a Cherokee list. The subject of dreams have >come up. Most of the people have dreams that come true and they know at >the time they are like predictions. My mother who was Cherokee was >amazing at this. I have this gift also but not as strongly as my mother. >Have any of you had this experience? Trying to decided if it is a >Cherokee thing or if others have this gift also. I am am much more >Chahta than Cherokee and consider myself Chahta so naturally wonder if >our people have this gift also. My father never did this, but it seems >to be more a woman thing anyway. >Dodie > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Choctaw Home Page: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm

I have something like that, but more the dashavu'e kind of thing, but I have it a lot. I had a friend in college that was in some class and he used me as a subject for some ESP lecture he had to give, we had a "session" of questions and answer for and hour everyday for three months. and what it showed was that when the moon was at its fullest, i would have more, some times three to four a day, and when no moon, or just a sliver, no dashavu'e episodes. I never have thought to much about it, but it does happen a lot. My daughter is starting to do the same, my son shows no signs or he's just to busy to listen to them. Brandi

Yes he did, but there are words where he added letters that were not necessary, and we are still working on revising the written aspect of the language...We know how the "A" in the word father sounds...that is the way the A sounds in Chata as well...and as there is no need for an H after the A in father, there is also no need for an H after the A in Chata...I can think of at least one more word off hand that has a letter that shouldn't be there, and that is "yukpa" which sounds like yuppa, which means happy or glad, etc. At one time maybe there was a K sound, but I have only heard it without it...As with any language, the Chata language has evolved and is still evolving..and that is good because that means it is still alive...All I know about what the word means is that it was what we called ourselves...and it got mispronounced by non-Chata as Choctaw...I can only assume it meant humans or people or family...I have heard that it was borrowed from the spanish(I think it was ! the spanish) for what they called us, but I don't know if there is any truth to that or not. Barbara -- On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:36:31 Ruthie King wrote: >The white missionary Rev. Cyrus Byington put the Choctaw language into >English. He spent years doing this according to the equivalent sounds in >the English language. Hymn books, testaments, sermons and so forth were >translated. > >Ruthie > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Barbara Ellison" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] testing( Isuba Chata) >Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:51:58 -0700 > > The Choctaw language was not a written language...there are no absolutely >correct ways of spelling Chata words..we spell it like we first saw it >and/or the way it sounds...so you'll see different spellings quite often, >but that's not a dialect difference...that's a whole 'nother thing. >Barbara >-- > >On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:42:04 Dodie wrote: > >I would like to know why some spell it Chahta and then I see it Chata. Is >there > >a difference in the meaning. Or is there different Chahta dialects as with >the > >Cherokee? > >Dodie > > > >faynshep wrote: > > > >> I don't know Arla. Patsy is my sister and I don't know a lot about >Bill's > >> family. I'm dumb about the word Chata, what does it mean? > >> fay > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: John & Arla Williams <[email protected]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Friday, August 22, 1980 4:55 PM > >> Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] testing( Isuba Chata) > >> > >> > Fay, > >> > Are they part of the Overstreet Family from Keota? I have met >several > >> of the Overstreet Family. > >> > For those of you who don't know, the Overstreet Kerr Historical >Farm is > >> a homestead that was Chata Allotment land. The homestead was given to >the > >> Kerr Foundation to be used as a teaching tool. They have lots of kids >and > >> adults come through. We do their fall Farmfest each year in October. We > >> demonstrate 1800's things such as >woodwork,basketweaving,soapmaking,sorgum > >> making,etc. > >> > There are a lot of the original things in the house and has the >history > >> of the place also. > >> > They have had Chata Pigs,Ponies and had a buffalo last year. Don't >know > >> if Jim still has everything now. > >> > The land has a lot of feeling to it when you walk it. > >> > Arla > >> > > >> > ---------- > >> > > Arla, Do you by any chance know Bill and Patsy Overstreet? They >live in > >> > > Kountze, TX now but at one time they lived in Victoria, TX and >raised > >> > > Appaloosa horses. I know she had one she called Freckles. > >> > > fay > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > From: John & Arla Williams <[email protected]> > >> > > To: <[email protected]> > >> > > Sent: Friday, August 22, 1980 2:48 PM > >> > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] testing( Isuba Chata) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Brandi, > >> > > > They are the most wonderful horses. The first two horses that >I > >> worked > >> > > on,I am an Equine Sports Massage Therapist, were Isuba Chata. I also >am > >> > > involved with the Overstreet Kerr Historical Farm and they had Isuba > >> Chata > >> > > there for a while. > >> > > > They have a wonderful nature about them.Gilbert Jones had some > >> also. > >> > > > The paper that Durant sends out about them is a good paper. > >> > > > Arla > >> > > > > >> > > > ---------- > >> > > > > Thank you, > >> > > > > I have been horse crazy since i was a baby, and so is my >daughter, > >> shes > >> > > 7 and > >> > > > > is intent to enter our rodeo here in town next year. She is alot > >> worse > >> > > than i > >> > > > > was at that age! > >> > > > > Thanks again, I had not heard of them till i saw mention of >them > >> in a > >> > > > > calender from my Choctaw membership last year. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Brandi > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > >> > > > > To Unsubscribe: > >> > > > > Send msg. to [email protected] > >> > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without >the > >> quotes > >> > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > >> > > > Choctaw Home Page: > >> > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > >> > > To Unsubscribe: > >> > > Send msg. to [email protected] > >> > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... 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I am 1/8 Cherokee so I am on a Cherokee list. The subject of dreams have come up. Most of the people have dreams that come true and they know at the time they are like predictions. My mother who was Cherokee was amazing at this. I have this gift also but not as strongly as my mother. Have any of you had this experience? Trying to decided if it is a Cherokee thing or if others have this gift also. I am am much more Chahta than Cherokee and consider myself Chahta so naturally wonder if our people have this gift also. My father never did this, but it seems to be more a woman thing anyway. Dodie

anyone near mississippi the second week of july is welcome to attend the Choctaw Fair in Philadelphia Ms. on the pearl river reservation. they demonstrate cooking , basket making , and crafts handed down for generations , and just like Labor day at Tushkahoma their's plenty of entertainment by big name stars each nite .Plus great stick ball games . check out www.choctaw.org

The white missionary Rev. Cyrus Byington put the Choctaw language into English. He spent years doing this according to the equivalent sounds in the English language. Hymn books, testaments, sermons and so forth were translated. Ruthie ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Barbara Ellison" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] testing( Isuba Chata) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:51:58 -0700 The Choctaw language was not a written language...there are no absolutely correct ways of spelling Chata words..we spell it like we first saw it and/or the way it sounds...so you'll see different spellings quite often, but that's not a dialect difference...that's a whole 'nother thing. Barbara -- On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:42:04 Dodie wrote: >I would like to know why some spell it Chahta and then I see it Chata. Is there >a difference in the meaning. Or is there different Chahta dialects as with the >Cherokee? >Dodie > >faynshep wrote: > >> I don't know Arla. Patsy is my sister and I don't know a lot about Bill's >> family. I'm dumb about the word Chata, what does it mean? >> fay >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: John & Arla Williams <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, August 22, 1980 4:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] testing( Isuba Chata) >> >> > Fay, >> > Are they part of the Overstreet Family from Keota? I have met several >> of the Overstreet Family. >> > For those of you who don't know, the Overstreet Kerr Historical Farm is >> a homestead that was Chata Allotment land. The homestead was given to the >> Kerr Foundation to be used as a teaching tool. They have lots of kids and >> adults come through. We do their fall Farmfest each year in October. We >> demonstrate 1800's things such as woodwork,basketweaving,soapmaking,sorgum >> making,etc. >> > There are a lot of the original things in the house and has the history >> of the place also. >> > They have had Chata Pigs,Ponies and had a buffalo last year. Don't know >> if Jim still has everything now. >> > The land has a lot of feeling to it when you walk it. >> > Arla >> > >> > ---------- >> > > Arla, Do you by any chance know Bill and Patsy Overstreet? They live in >> > > Kountze, TX now but at one time they lived in Victoria, TX and raised >> > > Appaloosa horses. I know she had one she called Freckles. >> > > fay >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: John & Arla Williams <[email protected]et> >> > > To: <[email protected]> >> > > Sent: Friday, August 22, 1980 2:48 PM >> > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] testing( Isuba Chata) >> > > >> > > >> > > > Brandi, >> > > > They are the most wonderful horses. The first two horses that I >> worked >> > > on,I am an Equine Sports Massage Therapist, were Isuba Chata. I also am >> > > involved with the Overstreet Kerr Historical Farm and they had Isuba >> Chata >> > > there for a while. >> > > > They have a wonderful nature about them.Gilbert Jones had some >> also. >> > > > The paper that Durant sends out about them is a good paper. >> > > > Arla >> > > > >> > > > ---------- >> > > > > Thank you, >> > > > > I have been horse crazy since i was a baby, and so is my daughter, >> shes >> > > 7 and >> > > > > is intent to enter our rodeo here in town next year. She is alot >> worse >> > > than i >> > > > > was at that age! >> > > > > Thanks again, I had not heard of them till i saw mention of them >> in a >> > > > > calender from my Choctaw membership last year. >> > > > > >> > > > > Brandi >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >> > > > > To Unsubscribe: >> > > > > Send msg. to [email protected] >> > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the >> quotes >> > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >> > > > Choctaw Home Page: >> > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >> > > To Unsubscribe: >> > > Send msg. to [email protected] >> > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes >> > > Nothing in the subject line... 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I would love to attend some of the shows that demonstrate the old ways. When are they? Could you let us know so we could attend? Nancy B

I don't envy him his job. He must of been a very dedicated man. Thank you for sharing this' Dodie Ruthie King wrote: > The white missionary Rev. Cyrus Byington put the Choctaw language into > English. He spent years doing this according to the equivalent sounds in > the English language. Hymn books, testaments, sermons and so forth were > translated. > > Ruthie > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Barbara Ellison" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] testing( Isuba Chata) > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:51:58 -0700 > > The Choctaw language was not a written language...there are no absolutely > correct ways of spelling Chata words..we spell it like we first saw it > and/or the way it sounds...so you'll see different spellings quite often, > but that's not a dialect difference...that's a whole 'nother thing. > Barbara > -- > > On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:42:04 Dodie wrote: > >I would like to know why some spell it Chahta and then I see it Chata. Is > there > >a difference in the meaning. Or is there different Chahta dialects as with > the > >Cherokee? > >Dodie > > > >faynshep wrote: > > > >> I don't know Arla. Patsy is my sister and I don't know a lot about > Bill's > >> family. I'm dumb about the word Chata, what does it mean? > >> fay > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: John & Arla Williams <[email protected]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Friday, August 22, 1980 4:55 PM > >> Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] testing( Isuba Chata) > >> > >> > Fay, > >> > Are they part of the Overstreet Family from Keota? I have met > several > >> of the Overstreet Family. > >> > For those of you who don't know, the Overstreet Kerr Historical > Farm is > >> a homestead that was Chata Allotment land. The homestead was given to > the > >> Kerr Foundation to be used as a teaching tool. They have lots of kids > and > >> adults come through. We do their fall Farmfest each year in October. We > >> demonstrate 1800's things such as > woodwork,basketweaving,soapmaking,sorgum > >> making,etc. > >> > There are a lot of the original things in the house and has the > history > >> of the place also. > >> > They have had Chata Pigs,Ponies and had a buffalo last year. Don't > know > >> if Jim still has everything now. > >> > The land has a lot of feeling to it when you walk it. > >> > Arla > >> > > >> > ---------- > >> > > Arla, Do you by any chance know Bill and Patsy Overstreet? They > live in > >> > > Kountze, TX now but at one time they lived in Victoria, TX and > raised > >> > > Appaloosa horses. I know she had one she called Freckles. > >> > > fay > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > From: John & Arla Williams <[email protected]> > >> > > To: <[email protected]> > >> > > Sent: Friday, August 22, 1980 2:48 PM > >> > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] testing( Isuba Chata) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Brandi, > >> > > > They are the most wonderful horses. The first two horses that > I > >> worked > >> > > on,I am an Equine Sports Massage Therapist, were Isuba Chata. I also > am > >> > > involved with the Overstreet Kerr Historical Farm and they had Isuba > >> Chata > >> > > there for a while. > >> > > > They have a wonderful nature about them.Gilbert Jones had some > >> also. > >> > > > The paper that Durant sends out about them is a good paper. > >> > > > Arla > >> > > > > >> > > > ---------- > >> > > > > Thank you, > >> > > > > I have been horse crazy since i was a baby, and so is my > daughter, > >> shes > >> > > 7 and > >> > > > > is intent to enter our rodeo here in town next year. She is alot > >> worse > >> > > than i > >> > > > > was at that age! > >> > > > > Thanks again, I had not heard of them till i saw mention of > them > >> in a > >> > > > > calender from my Choctaw membership last year. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Brandi > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > >> > > > > To Unsubscribe: > >> > > > > Send msg. to [email protected] > >> > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... 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