Halito, All! I rarely join in, but always enjoy reading all the "chat". This is a topic I need to stick my two cents in on. I have "known" things ever since I was a child, but I have never talked about it much. It is something that just comes to me ... not something that I really control. An example: One day I was driving to town, and suddenly had the feeling I MUST go see my grandmother. So, I turned around and went. Because there had been some trouble in the neighborhood, she always kept her door locked even when she was home. When I got there, her car was there; but, the door was locked and there was no answer when I knocked. A deep, powerful feeling came over me that it was important that I get in. I turned the door knob again, and it opened. I found my grandmother had fallen in the bottom of her bedroom closet and could not get up; she was trapped there. If I hadn't come, she could have been there, hurt, for at least several hours, if not days. Grandmother always said you have to be a strong person to walk the good, red road because, most of the time, it was not easy. I hope it is okay for me to take part. I am Cree and French Canadian; but, my man is Choctaw. And, we are learning a lot about the traditional way here. Yokoke! Gladys (Flower Woman) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dodie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] I Need Help!! > Fay: > I know little to help you with this, hopefully others will know more and can advise you. I am not able to make things come me, it just happens. But there may be ways I don't know about. Sorry I can't help. > Dodie > > faynshep wrote: > > > I have read with much interest all the posts that have to do with things of a spiritual nature. I believe that term covers the spectrum. I understand not telling others for fear of being called crazy. I had an out of body experience 39 years ago when my first daughter was being born and didn't speak of it for 20 years. > > I haven't asked for help finding my Choctaw ancestors yet because I felt it was useless and it may be. I feel that without help from the other side from my great-great grandmother, I will never find the information I need written in any book, or on any piece of paper any where. They said she was part Choctaw and that she was raped by a full-blood Choctaw. This was in 1880 and she never married or had any other children besides my great grandfather. The chances of my finding any thing written down any where is "0". Many times I have wished I could be close to my departed ancestors and have been told that they are close to us and wondered if there was any way I could prepare myself in order to be in tune to the quiet promptings that I know are possible. From what I read and hear, I think it is more something that is more a "gift" than something that can be "acquired." > > Does anyone have any ideas on this subject? > > Fay > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > ______________________________

Gladys, Jump in anytime. The only way to learn is to ask questions and talk about them. -----Original Message----- From: Gladys M. Warren <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, September 01, 2000 5:44 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] I Need Help!! >Halito, All! > >I rarely join in, but always enjoy reading all the "chat". This is a topic >I need to stick my two cents in on. I have "known" things ever since I was >a child, but I have never talked about it much. It is something that just >comes to me ... not something that I really control. An example: One day I >was driving to town, and suddenly had the feeling I MUST go see my >grandmother. So, I turned around and went. Because there had been some >trouble in the neighborhood, she always kept her door locked even when she >was home. When I got there, her car was there; but, the door was locked and >there was no answer when I knocked. A deep, powerful feeling came over me >that it was important that I get in. I turned the door knob again, and it >opened. I found my grandmother had fallen in the bottom of her bedroom >closet and could not get up; she was trapped there. If I hadn't come, she >could have been there, hurt, for at least several hours, if not days. > >Grandmother always said you have to be a strong person to walk the good, red >road because, most of the time, it was not easy. > >I hope it is okay for me to take part. I am Cree and French Canadian; but, >my man is Choctaw. And, we are learning a lot about the traditional way >here. Yokoke! Gladys (Flower Woman) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dodie" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 11:29 PM >Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] I Need Help!! > > >> Fay: >> I know little to help you with this, hopefully others will know more and >can advise you. I am not able to make things come me, it just happens. But >there may be ways I don't know about. Sorry I can't help. >> Dodie >> >> faynshep wrote: >> >> > I have read with much interest all the posts that have to do with things >of a spiritual nature. I believe that term covers the spectrum. I >understand not telling others for fear of being called crazy. I had an out >of body experience 39 years ago when my first daughter was being born and >didn't speak of it for 20 years. >> > I haven't asked for help finding my Choctaw ancestors yet because I felt >it was useless and it may be. I feel that without help from the other side >from my great-great grandmother, I will never find the information I need >written in any book, or on any piece of paper any where. They said she was >part Choctaw and that she was raped by a full-blood Choctaw. This was in >1880 and she never married or had any other children besides my great >grandfather. The chances of my finding any thing written down any where is >"0". Many times I have wished I could be close to my departed ancestors and >have been told that they are close to us and wondered if there was any way I >could prepare myself in order to be in tune to the quiet promptings that I >know are possible. From what I read and hear, I think it is more something >that is more a "gift" than something that can be "acquired." >> > Does anyone have any ideas on this subject? >> > Fay >> > >> > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >> > Home Page: >> > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm >> >> ______________________________ > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Home Page: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm >

I trust a childs reaction because they haven't learned to lie and cover thing up. Like the ole saying there is nothing as honest as a child. I have heard that we as adults lose this ability because we clog up our minds with other things plus we tell the little white lies. Did I make any sense? Cecilia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dodie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Question > Sue since you know others have this and it is natural thing maybe it will come > back. I think child are more open to it because no one has told them it is > "different". > > Norvin & Sue Kenner wrote: > > > When I was a child I would stand at the window and get really excited > > telling my parents who was coming. cant you see them I would say. A short > > time later the very same people I spoke of would arrive, Much to everyone's > > surprise. Some how over the years I have lost it. But I still sense dangers > > and events, for family members. Sue from Oregon > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Question > > > > > Dodie, > > > > > > This was along time ago that I was his ginnie pig ! 12 years or better. > > But > > > his class did this experiment, and they did find that this ESP thing is > > more > > > dominate in women, but is in men. I don't remember any ethnic statistics. > > But > > > it was found that with the women it was more often, and clearer "pictures" > > > when the moon is full. > > > > > > This used to bother me to have this, when I was a child. But now I like > > it. > > > The way mine works is, like when my daughter or son is getting ready to do > > > something, it just comes to me, FAST!! like a fast movie. Its always a > > > protective type thing. If I say don't do that, your going to get hurt, > > even > > > if they are aways off and cannot here what I am saying. I just see what is > > > going to happen. And most often they ignore me and keep going, and just > > like > > > I saw what was going to happen, just like frame by frame of a movie. > > > It can be very spooky, like when I'm driving, and have a choice of route > > to > > > go somewhere, some times it happens then. I once saw myself in an > > accident, > > > it was very scary, I took the next turn off of the freeway. and that was > > > where it happened when I got off the freeway, someone rear-ended me and > > > pushed me into a ditch. It didn't save me from that but I saw it before it > > > happened. > > > I have asked my aunt if this ran in the family, but she said she had never > > > heard of anyone having this in our family. > > > Brandi > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Choctaw Home Page: > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L: > > Send msg. to [email protected] > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm >

Thank you Arla, You are so precious for your answer lifted my heart. fay ----- Original Message ----- From: John & Arla Williams <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 01, 1980 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] I Need Help!! > Many times I > > have wished I could be close to my departed ancestors and have been told that > > they are close to us and wondered if there was any way I could prepare myself > > in order to be in tune to the quiet promptings that I know are possible. From > > what I read and hear, I think it is more something that is more a "gift" than > > something that can be "acquired." > > Does anyone have any ideas on this subject? > > Fay > > > > Fay, > Many think that being in tune to our Ancestors or being able to dream dreams or any other way of connecting is a gift. > Each of us possess the ability to do this. We have to allow this to come to us. When I hear someone say it is a gift it makes me uneasy because so many feel a gift is only given for something special. > The Ancestors are so important to the Chata that if we open up to them they can provide us with many links to our past. > I had a conversation with someone about this.It affirmed what I knew in my heart.All I had to do was to put myself in the space of reverence and to ask and then open myself to hear. > I can't say if I will ever be able to paper prove my Chata Blood but my heart knows it.All I ask is to find the bones of my Grandmothers who came to Ok. from Alabama and Mississippi. I am assured I will in Creator's time.The Grandmothers will see to this. > I can't say that you will ever find any paper proof either but you can connect in a way that will give you a peace in knowing. > The Bible says ask and it shall be given and also if you have but the faith the size of a grain of mustard you can say to the mountain move. It works the same with those that come to help us.All they ask is the faith to believe that they can help us. > Many times when my faith wavers someone is put in my path to affirm that I have the Ancestors help in looking for the place of the bones of my Grandmothers. I honor their help.I have no special gift nor am more special because I see things. > If I can help you in any way pleas feel free to ask. It would be my honor. > Arla > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

When I was a child I would stand at the window and get really excited telling my parents who was coming. cant you see them I would say. A short time later the very same people I spoke of would arrive, Much to everyone's surprise. Some how over the years I have lost it. But I still sense dangers and events, for family members. Sue from Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Question > Dodie, > > This was along time ago that I was his ginnie pig ! 12 years or better. But > his class did this experiment, and they did find that this ESP thing is more > dominate in women, but is in men. I don't remember any ethnic statistics. But > it was found that with the women it was more often, and clearer "pictures" > when the moon is full. > > This used to bother me to have this, when I was a child. But now I like it. > The way mine works is, like when my daughter or son is getting ready to do > something, it just comes to me, FAST!! like a fast movie. Its always a > protective type thing. If I say don't do that, your going to get hurt, even > if they are aways off and cannot here what I am saying. I just see what is > going to happen. And most often they ignore me and keep going, and just like > I saw what was going to happen, just like frame by frame of a movie. > It can be very spooky, like when I'm driving, and have a choice of route to > go somewhere, some times it happens then. I once saw myself in an accident, > it was very scary, I took the next turn off of the freeway. and that was > where it happened when I got off the freeway, someone rear-ended me and > pushed me into a ditch. It didn't save me from that but I saw it before it > happened. > I have asked my aunt if this ran in the family, but she said she had never > heard of anyone having this in our family. > Brandi > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > >

Fay: I know little to help you with this, hopefully others will know more and can advise you. I am not able to make things come me, it just happens. But there may be ways I don't know about. Sorry I can't help. Dodie faynshep wrote: > I have read with much interest all the posts that have to do with things of a spiritual nature. I believe that term covers the spectrum. I understand not telling others for fear of being called crazy. I had an out of body experience 39 years ago when my first daughter was being born and didn't speak of it for 20 years. > I haven't asked for help finding my Choctaw ancestors yet because I felt it was useless and it may be. I feel that without help from the other side from my great-great grandmother, I will never find the information I need written in any book, or on any piece of paper any where. They said she was part Choctaw and that she was raped by a full-blood Choctaw. This was in 1880 and she never married or had any other children besides my great grandfather. The chances of my finding any thing written down any where is "0". Many times I have wished I could be close to my departed ancestors and have been told that they are close to us and wondered if there was any way I could prepare myself in order to be in tune to the quiet promptings that I know are possible. From what I read and hear, I think it is more something that is more a "gift" than something that can be "acquired." > Does anyone have any ideas on this subject? > Fay > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm

Dodie, I had read your description of yourself concerning skin color. I am always surprised by peoples backgrounds and you can not always tell by how they look. My mothers best friend, Helen, was Chickasaw and she was white in skin color but she was raised as an Indian. She went to work on one of the reservations for several years after she got out of school. Her mother was was an Indian artist and Helen was as well. Helen came to my daughters wedding about 4 years ago and she had a great time and we became friends. It was unfortunate that she passed away shortly after and I never got to talk to her in more depth about her Indian heritage. At the time I did not even know that I was part Indian. I always thought I was Irish primarily. I have light skin, grey eyes and light brown hair, which is now turning white but at least I have some hair. Well, I am rambling on here but I was glad you posted about the topic of skin color and it not being a good indicator of ones heritage. Will

Sue since you know others have this and it is natural thing maybe it will come back. I think child are more open to it because no one has told them it is "different". Norvin & Sue Kenner wrote: > When I was a child I would stand at the window and get really excited > telling my parents who was coming. cant you see them I would say. A short > time later the very same people I spoke of would arrive, Much to everyone's > surprise. Some how over the years I have lost it. But I still sense dangers > and events, for family members. Sue from Oregon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:32 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Question > > > Dodie, > > > > This was along time ago that I was his ginnie pig ! 12 years or better. > But > > his class did this experiment, and they did find that this ESP thing is > more > > dominate in women, but is in men. I don't remember any ethnic statistics. > But > > it was found that with the women it was more often, and clearer "pictures" > > when the moon is full. > > > > This used to bother me to have this, when I was a child. But now I like > it. > > The way mine works is, like when my daughter or son is getting ready to do > > something, it just comes to me, FAST!! like a fast movie. Its always a > > protective type thing. If I say don't do that, your going to get hurt, > even > > if they are aways off and cannot here what I am saying. I just see what is > > going to happen. And most often they ignore me and keep going, and just > like > > I saw what was going to happen, just like frame by frame of a movie. > > It can be very spooky, like when I'm driving, and have a choice of route > to > > go somewhere, some times it happens then. I once saw myself in an > accident, > > it was very scary, I took the next turn off of the freeway. and that was > > where it happened when I got off the freeway, someone rear-ended me and > > pushed me into a ditch. It didn't save me from that but I saw it before it > > happened. > > I have asked my aunt if this ran in the family, but she said she had never > > heard of anyone having this in our family. > > Brandi > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Choctaw Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures.......

I think originally probably everyone did this but many have lost the ability. It seems to be a natural thing. I'm sure there are others besides Indians that still have it. "Cecilia D." wrote: > Dodie I seem to have this gift as well as my girls. But it comes from my > moms side and she has no Indian blood what so ever. > Cecilia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dodie" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:26 AM > Subject: [CHAHTA] Question > > > I am 1/8 Cherokee so I am on a Cherokee list. The subject of dreams have > > come up. Most of the people have dreams that come true and they know at > > the time they are like predictions. My mother who was Cherokee was > > amazing at this. I have this gift also but not as strongly as my mother. > > Have any of you had this experience? Trying to decided if it is a > > Cherokee thing or if others have this gift also. I am am much more > > Chahta than Cherokee and consider myself Chahta so naturally wonder if > > our people have this gift also. My father never did this, but it seems > > to be more a woman thing anyway. > > Dodie > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Choctaw Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures.......

I have read with much interest all the posts that have to do with things of a spiritual nature. I believe that term covers the spectrum. I understand not telling others for fear of being called crazy. I had an out of body experience 39 years ago when my first daughter was being born and didn't speak of it for 20 years. I haven't asked for help finding my Choctaw ancestors yet because I felt it was useless and it may be. I feel that without help from the other side from my great-great grandmother, I will never find the information I need written in any book, or on any piece of paper any where. They said she was part Choctaw and that she was raped by a full-blood Choctaw. This was in 1880 and she never married or had any other children besides my great grandfather. The chances of my finding any thing written down any where is "0". Many times I have wished I could be close to my departed ancestors and have been told that they are close to us and wondered if there was any way I could prepare myself in order to be in tune to the quiet promptings that I know are possible. From what I read and hear, I think it is more something that is more a "gift" than something that can be "acquired." Does anyone have any ideas on this subject? Fay

Your Grandmother was a woman of wisdom. Thank you for sharing this. John & Arla Williams wrote: > Reading all the responses to this line brought something back to me that a Grandmother had said to me. > ( We see and hear many things in our walk. When we learn to see and to hear with our hearts,then will we have a true understanding of our walk.) > Arla > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures.......

I have had dreams where a relative who just died came to visit me. Later I found out they had died when I had the dream. I never seem to know when something is psychic until afterwards and I have no control over when it will happen. It just happens. I have come to rely more on my intuition and not just logic over the years. It seems logic just takes me so far. Sometimes I just get a feeling in my stomach if a situation is right or wrong. Years ago when a bridge collapsed, I believe in Silver Springs, Maryland, I had a dream 1 or 2 nights before of a bridge collapsing. This has been interesting reading all the replies. Will

Halito Judith: I have been surprised at the response to the question. I think this gift has been so suppressed by the dominate culture that our people are eager to speak of it. Rather than get the "look" that one is strange or making it up, we can talk freely here and discuss it with others who know it to be a gift and a natural thing. Remember the dominate culture chastised our people for this type of thing and they also burned their own at Salem for these natural gifts. Many churches teach these thing are not natural and are of the devil. It is no wonder our people have been fearfully to discuss this and other cultures suppress it. I think it gives the list members a connection to each other, we see that our experiences are a shared thing of our people. Dodie Judith Durr wrote: > This has been a very interesting question, Dodie. This is the second > question you have asked that has inspired people to get involved. > Enjoyed reading the posts. > I am also of the thought that everyone has the ability to to tape into > this intutive mind. Everyone has had some experience with this and > some think of it as a gift, possibly because it is an incredible experience > for them and others as a natual way of life because they > trust and use their intutition. > I use mine daily and trust my "feelings and impressions". It has yet > to fail me. There are friends who think I'm spooky and others who > realize and accept that it is a part of who I am. > The healers and medicine people of the First People had > the inherient sense of intuition. Theirs was an exceptional ablility. > Thru time and oppression some may have lost this ability where > others never stopped using it. > In every culture there is evidence of people who exercise this > ability and there are people who wish to exorise it. I'm not > talking about sceptics. The exorist are the negative, narrow > minded individuals who become the fanatics. This is another subject... > Judith

Halito, Wonderful response. Judith -----Original Message----- From: John & Arla Williams <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, August 31, 2000 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Question > Reading all the responses to this line brought something back to me that a Grandmother had said to me. > ( We see and hear many things in our walk. When we learn to see and to hear with our hearts,then will we have a true understanding of our walk.) >Arla > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L: >Send msg. to [email protected] >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

This has been a very interesting question, Dodie. This is the second question you have asked that has inspired people to get involved. Enjoyed reading the posts. I am also of the thought that everyone has the ability to to tape into this intutive mind. Everyone has had some experience with this and some think of it as a gift, possibly because it is an incredible experience for them and others as a natual way of life because they trust and use their intutition. I use mine daily and trust my "feelings and impressions". It has yet to fail me. There are friends who think I'm spooky and others who realize and accept that it is a part of who I am. The healers and medicine people of the First People had the inherient sense of intuition. Theirs was an exceptional ablility. Thru time and oppression some may have lost this ability where others never stopped using it. In every culture there is evidence of people who exercise this ability and there are people who wish to exorise it. I'm not talking about sceptics. The exorist are the negative, narrow minded individuals who become the fanatics. This is another subject... Judith -----Original Message----- From: Dodie <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, August 31, 2000 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Question >I'm really glad you shared this with us. My ex husband has this to some degree. >I don't know if he has Indian or not, he is a major racist what ever he is. His >mother once said she thought there might be Indian blood on her side. This >really makes me curious why some men do have this gift but not as many as women. >Wonder if men just tune it out when they are young. >I have the opinion that everyone probably has this but throughout the ages it >has been lost by being surpressed by the dominate society. Where Indians have >always excepted these things as natural and live closer the natural type of >life. We haven't surpressed as many thing. >Couse this is just my opinion with no fact to back it up. >Dodie > >Crazy Diamond wrote: > >> I took no offense, Dodie. I can't get a non-threatening matter-of-fact sound >> in my e-mail. There >> was no ill will meant or felt. >> Peace, >> Kevin/CD >> Please note I have another e-mail address now. It is [email protected] >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dodie <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected]cultures.rootsweb.com <[email protected]> >> Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Question >> >> >I believe your credibility is in tact. When I mentioned it's a woman thing, >> I >> >did not mean men were excluded. Women are more open about it I think. >> Medicine >> >men have this gift. I had a feeling the Cherokee were not the only Indians >> had >> >this ability. >> >Dodie >> > >> >Crazy Diamond wrote: >> > >> >> I am a man. I have many experiences of a spiritual and /or psychic >> nature, >> >> also. Through my mother I have a Sicilian folk-healer connection as my >> >> great-grandmother was very skilled in healing herbs and spells. Also >> through >> >> my mother's line is the Choctaw line by way of the Varnados(and French). >> >> They used to say it was the Strickland line from Ulster(No. Ireland) that >> >> had "the touch", which, for me at least, is the same line the Varnado >> line >> >> comes through. I feel strongly, however, that some of that "touch" comes >> >> from the Choctaw line. It's almost as if the ancestors are telling me >> this. >> >> Then also there is the spirit of place. I live in Robert, LA between >> Hammond >> >> and Covington, less than 30 miles from where the old Lacombe Choctaw >> >> community was. Perhaps, in my case it is a blending of all these lines. >> We >> >> are all who came before us. At a place north of here, near Amite, LA, at >> an >> >> old market gathering place for the local tribes long ago, I had a past >> life >> >> flash from a well-worn to a polish rock that fit my hand perfectly in two >> >> ways. It is a gray rock, maybe granite. I knew I had held this stone in a >> >> previous life. It was given to me by a lady, without my asking and as my >> >> only payment, whose house I had tried to calm because of a spirit that >> was >> >> not making itself known, but just being very obviously there. She still >> had >> >> some uneasiness later and was contacting folks in California about it. >> She >> >> would smell the lady's perfume. I could sense her in a rocking chair >> sewing >> >> in a room. >> >> Well, there goes my credibility. Wee-hoo! >> >> Kevin Frindik >> >> Please note I have another e-mail address now. It is >> [email protected] >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Dodie <[email protected]> >> >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> >> Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:20 AM >> >> Subject: [CHAHTA] Question >> >> >> >> >I am 1/8 Cherokee so I am on a Cherokee list. The subject of dreams have >> >> >come up. Most of the people have dreams that come true and they know at >> >> >the time they are like predictions. My mother who was Cherokee was >> >> >amazing at this. I have this gift also but not as strongly as my mother. >> >> >Have any of you had this experience? Trying to decided if it is a >> >> >Cherokee thing or if others have this gift also. I am am much more >> >> >Chahta than Cherokee and consider myself Chahta so naturally wonder if >> >> >our people have this gift also. My father never did this, but it seems >> >> >to be more a woman thing anyway. >> >> >Dodie >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >> >> >Choctaw Home Page: >> >> >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm >> >> >> >> ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >> >> Home Page: >> >> http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm >> > >> > >> >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >> >Home Page: >> >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm >> >> ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >> To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L: >> Send msg. to [email protected] >> Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes >> Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >To Unsubscribe: >Send msg. to [email protected] >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

I'm really glad you shared this with us. My ex husband has this to some degree. I don't know if he has Indian or not, he is a major racist what ever he is. His mother once said she thought there might be Indian blood on her side. This really makes me curious why some men do have this gift but not as many as women. Wonder if men just tune it out when they are young. I have the opinion that everyone probably has this but throughout the ages it has been lost by being surpressed by the dominate society. Where Indians have always excepted these things as natural and live closer the natural type of life. We haven't surpressed as many thing. Couse this is just my opinion with no fact to back it up. Dodie Crazy Diamond wrote: > I took no offense, Dodie. I can't get a non-threatening matter-of-fact sound > in my e-mail. There > was no ill will meant or felt. > Peace, > Kevin/CD > Please note I have another e-mail address now. It is [email protected] > -----Original Message----- > From: Dodie <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:06 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Question > > >I believe your credibility is in tact. When I mentioned it's a woman thing, > I > >did not mean men were excluded. Women are more open about it I think. > Medicine > >men have this gift. I had a feeling the Cherokee were not the only Indians > had > >this ability. > >Dodie > > > >Crazy Diamond wrote: > > > >> I am a man. I have many experiences of a spiritual and /or psychic > nature, > >> also. Through my mother I have a Sicilian folk-healer connection as my > >> great-grandmother was very skilled in healing herbs and spells. Also > through > >> my mother's line is the Choctaw line by way of the Varnados(and French). > >> They used to say it was the Strickland line from Ulster(No. Ireland) that > >> had "the touch", which, for me at least, is the same line the Varnado > line > >> comes through. I feel strongly, however, that some of that "touch" comes > >> from the Choctaw line. It's almost as if the ancestors are telling me > this. > >> Then also there is the spirit of place. I live in Robert, LA between > Hammond > >> and Covington, less than 30 miles from where the old Lacombe Choctaw > >> community was. Perhaps, in my case it is a blending of all these lines. > We > >> are all who came before us. At a place north of here, near Amite, LA, at > an > >> old market gathering place for the local tribes long ago, I had a past > life > >> flash from a well-worn to a polish rock that fit my hand perfectly in two > >> ways. It is a gray rock, maybe granite. I knew I had held this stone in a > >> previous life. It was given to me by a lady, without my asking and as my > >> only payment, whose house I had tried to calm because of a spirit that > was > >> not making itself known, but just being very obviously there. She still > had > >> some uneasiness later and was contacting folks in California about it. > She > >> would smell the lady's perfume. I could sense her in a rocking chair > sewing > >> in a room. > >> Well, there goes my credibility. Wee-hoo! > >> Kevin Frindik > >> Please note I have another e-mail address now. It is > [email protected] > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dodie <[email protected]> > >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > >> Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:20 AM > >> Subject: [CHAHTA] Question > >> > >> >I am 1/8 Cherokee so I am on a Cherokee list. The subject of dreams have > >> >come up. Most of the people have dreams that come true and they know at > >> >the time they are like predictions. My mother who was Cherokee was > >> >amazing at this. I have this gift also but not as strongly as my mother. > >> >Have any of you had this experience? Trying to decided if it is a > >> >Cherokee thing or if others have this gift also. I am am much more > >> >Chahta than Cherokee and consider myself Chahta so naturally wonder if > >> >our people have this gift also. My father never did this, but it seems > >> >to be more a woman thing anyway. > >> >Dodie > >> > > >> > > >> >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > >> >Choctaw Home Page: > >> >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > >> > >> ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > >> Home Page: > >> http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > >Home Page: > >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures.......

Okay, as long as we're going to tell about dreams and intuition.... I dreamed I had gone to New Zealand and visited with my sister. She told me she was pregnant. (She WAS living in New Zealand at the time too.) I called her the next day and asked her if she was expecting. She said she didn't think so. Two weeks later I got a phone call... she was pregnant. HELLO! LOL!!! My grandmother always wakes up crying when there's been a death in the family. Kind of strange. Ruthie http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/2765 ----Original Message Follows---- From: [email protected] (Tina Singleton) Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Question Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:51:51 -0500 (CDT) I use to have really weird dreams. I thought they were not connected to my dreams that come to me and warn me of something but now I know different. I had this one dream when I was pregnant the first time where this little old lady was in a chest of drawers and when ever I opened the drawers I would see her now I know why I dreamed this dream all 9 months I was pregnant. It was a warning that I would never have the kind of connection I wanted with the child I was carrying. And to this day I am not close with my son it is like I am the little old lady and he is the one opening and closing the drawer just like he opens and closes the door on ur relationship. Tina Inches make a champion. ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L: Send msg. to [email protected] Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

I took no offense, Dodie. I can't get a non-threatening matter-of-fact sound in my e-mail. There was no ill will meant or felt. Peace, Kevin/CD Please note I have another e-mail address now. It is [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Dodie <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Question >I believe your credibility is in tact. When I mentioned it's a woman thing, I >did not mean men were excluded. Women are more open about it I think. Medicine >men have this gift. I had a feeling the Cherokee were not the only Indians had >this ability. >Dodie > >Crazy Diamond wrote: > >> I am a man. I have many experiences of a spiritual and /or psychic nature, >> also. Through my mother I have a Sicilian folk-healer connection as my >> great-grandmother was very skilled in healing herbs and spells. Also through >> my mother's line is the Choctaw line by way of the Varnados(and French). >> They used to say it was the Strickland line from Ulster(No. Ireland) that >> had "the touch", which, for me at least, is the same line the Varnado line >> comes through. I feel strongly, however, that some of that "touch" comes >> from the Choctaw line. It's almost as if the ancestors are telling me this. >> Then also there is the spirit of place. I live in Robert, LA between Hammond >> and Covington, less than 30 miles from where the old Lacombe Choctaw >> community was. Perhaps, in my case it is a blending of all these lines. We >> are all who came before us. At a place north of here, near Amite, LA, at an >> old market gathering place for the local tribes long ago, I had a past life >> flash from a well-worn to a polish rock that fit my hand perfectly in two >> ways. It is a gray rock, maybe granite. I knew I had held this stone in a >> previous life. It was given to me by a lady, without my asking and as my >> only payment, whose house I had tried to calm because of a spirit that was >> not making itself known, but just being very obviously there. She still had >> some uneasiness later and was contacting folks in California about it. She >> would smell the lady's perfume. I could sense her in a rocking chair sewing >> in a room. >> Well, there goes my credibility. Wee-hoo! >> Kevin Frindik >> Please note I have another e-mail address now. It is [email protected] >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dodie <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:20 AM >> Subject: [CHAHTA] Question >> >> >I am 1/8 Cherokee so I am on a Cherokee list. The subject of dreams have >> >come up. Most of the people have dreams that come true and they know at >> >the time they are like predictions. My mother who was Cherokee was >> >amazing at this. I have this gift also but not as strongly as my mother. >> >Have any of you had this experience? Trying to decided if it is a >> >Cherokee thing or if others have this gift also. I am am much more >> >Chahta than Cherokee and consider myself Chahta so naturally wonder if >> >our people have this gift also. My father never did this, but it seems >> >to be more a woman thing anyway. >> >Dodie >> > >> > >> >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >> >Choctaw Home Page: >> >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm >> >> ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >> Home Page: >> http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >Home Page: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm

Great! I'll bet your line is in the "Bala Chitta" Simmons Family book. And, yes, the white ancestors came here around 1808-1810. My grandmother was Linnie Virginia Strickland, her mother was Sarah Jane Varnado. I've also got Magees, Morrises, Simmonses. I guess I should call you cousin, or cousin-in-law. I read your posting and identified with it very closely. Many of the words could be mine, then you had that suprise ending. Perhaps our Chahta spirits hunt, fish, dance, and sing together on the other side, maybe in the same band. This technology brings people together that would not have met in this lifetime. Maybe the Spirit World needs some things sped up on this side, what with all the stabbing in the heart of the Mother nowadays. The Hopi say that the white people will come to the red people for teaching and leadership to save nature when a certain horrible point is reached in the destruction. Many wrong things will be set aright in the coming days. Perhaps things will be more like a crucible, but in the end beauty will overcome and things shunned and attacked will be embraced, even by the children of those people Squanto taught how to farm on this "side of the pond", who, consequently, would have died in the middle of winter without his knowledge. I used to tell folks at work, I'm medically-retired now, every Columbus Day to go to their neighbors house, grab a beer and the remote, sit in the biggest, most comfortable chair and catch a game on TV. If they complain, kill'em, then they'd be continuing the holiday tradition. I find shocking and catalytic thought is best to break down the mental barriers and generations of glossing over the nasty details, unfortunately it sometimes makes folks see you as the village idiot. What a world! To have a sense of social justice makes you look weird. I also used to tell my fellow workers, mostly black, that "I have a little Choctaw in me, and, boy, is he p****d!" and then we'd talk about all the stupid racists and supremists, and how they arrive at their conclusions. I studied them alot, to understand what my father fought in World War II. I told them I'd like to pray the white man out of me, but I might disappear too much. We gotta' be related somehow. We do get wordy. Kevin Frindik/Crazy Diamond Please note I have another e-mail address now. It is [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Juli Kearns <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Question >For me, one of the more striking experiences I've had, down this line of >discussion, was the following: > >My husband and I were visiting one afternoon with a friend of his. I'd not >met him or his wife before. She was not yet home. When she entered, as I >looked at her I saw a Chahta spirit moving with her. It was not her, not >her soul or spirit, not an aura of her that I was seeing, it was >specifically a Chahta spirit. I'm not speaking of something which >possesses its own personality...and not a ghost. What I saw (and I saw it, >didn't just feel it) was a spirit of numerous generations, of people. And >I blurted, "You're part Choctaw, aren't you?" She answered yes, she was. >Her grandmother was Choctaw, her grandfather French Canadian. She was >blond, fair-skinned... > >Like me, in that respect. The reason the incident was significant to me is >that I've a Chahta ancestress (Oklahoma, mid 1800's) I've not been able to >locate. To look at me most people would think it ludicrous that I would >begin to claim Chahta blood. Though I've had several people ask me over >the years if I was part American Indian...they say it's my eyes (epicanthic >eyefolds), high cheekbones and something about the set of my features. I >was made fun of by my family and schoolmates for my eyes as I looked >different. I used to sketch alot when I was young and someone finally >asked a relative why I always drew people with American Indian features, >which is when my family said, "Oh, that must be because of the Choctaw." > >I dream quite a bit about meetings with "shaman" spirits. They speak about >taking the land back; talk about spritually surviving in part by having >gone "underground", the spirit surviving by their concealing it in their >work, so it was still expressed, but was unrecognized by whites. I don't >dream about meeting with ancestral Irish shamanistic types. Or French or >English. I know the Chahta origins involve the mound-builders, but for >some reason I dream repeatedly also about a MesoAmerican connection, of >following my "brother" Quetzlcoatyl down into Central and South America (as >if both a physical and spiritual journey) and then returning. Ten years >ago when I was passing through the "Painted Desert" I saw for the first >time petroglyphs in person. I dreamt that night that as I looked at the >rock, a man stepped out of it and began to speak to me, which was the rock >speaking. A spirit whose appearance was American Indian (I say appearance >though he was "beyond" that) and I was surprised we were able to so easily >communicate. He spoke with me (a woman followed) and then they were joined >by a third person who I thought of as being a younger girl and they went on >with their journey. I didn't know at the time that so many petroglyphs are >records of journeys. Perhaps the rock I was looking at was one of such, I >can't now find the picture I took of it. > >I dream about the Pecos pueblos. I was aware of the Pueblos, but I didn't >know of the Pecos pueblos until I dreamt of taking a spiritual journey (yet >I was also walking and the environs were quite vivid) to a "height" which >had to do with them, and receiving instruction from shaman spirits in the >dream in how to act when in the company of the ancestral spirits...that we >communicated by removing our faces, and he did so and I wasn't surprised, >for as I said to him I had done this before. It was a month after the >dream, the fires buring near Los Alamos, that I was reminded of the dream, >that I had been, in the dream, very near there at a place specifically to >do with "Pecos" and looked up and found out a bit about the Pecos. > >At any rate, if anything has been difficult for me about this it is that I >have had no one with whom to speak about any of this. My husband >understands (found out a few years ago he has a Cherokee ancestress we >hadn't known about, now have a picture of her) but he doesn't have such >experiences. It used to be distressing for me to be someone who couldn't >legally show, "Yes, see, I am part Chahta." No paper to speak for me. >Though this is no longer troubling to me, not since I saw the Chahta spirit >myself, I am still sometimes troubled that I should be ridiculed by >individuals who can legally claim ancestry for my feeling this inheritance, >that they would believe I want a little Chahta blood for a bit of "Oh, how >neat" decoration. Because for me the dreams and experiences came unbidden. > And what they create is an atmosphere apart from much that surrounds me >culturally (though we have a rather "different" culture in our own >household) so that I feel I am part of a living inheritance, and feel an >essential drive to fulfill my part in it. I understand the resentment of >individuals who feel a so-called "conquering" culture would now seek to >claim to be Chahta or Cherokee, as if this legitimizes their "place." >Understand the resentment also because of the gross suffering that has been >experienced, and the nightmarish privilege of being the survivor of a so >recent and still largely unrecogonized attempt at complete genocide (yes, I >did mean to say nightmarish, in that to be privileged as a child of >survivors is not only perpetual testimony to strength but also to horror). > >And yet some how, some way, despite my fair skin, I have in me also that >same survivor inheritance. It lives. It speaks to me. It comes in dreams >and says, "Look and learn." It says it still lives in me and that >surreptitiously, despite the effort at genocide, that inheritance is strong >and continuing. > >Forgive me if this sounds trite, but there are people who have spoken to me >about feeling failures, and according to what I know about them, if I feel >it appropriate I ask them "failures by what standard? So, you haven't >accomplished what the status quo begs. Why are you purchasing that the >status quo is right? Why accept that measure of success at all?" I think >of Black Elk's vision and how he cried and said it was a great vision given >to someone too weak to fulfill it. But he also understood as the years >went on that the vision was far more than his initial comprehension of it. >The reclamation of a land by a "people". If I bring this up it is because >despite how significant to me any Chahta inheritance I have, no matter how >significantly it seeks as if to have me recognize it, to get caught up in >the passion of some racial pride is not the point. I am not saying that to >have esteem in and pride for one's ancestral legacy is not appropriate. It >is. But I personally believe the "people" observed in Black Elk's vision >are not to be qualified by blood legacy alone. I think instead in terms of >spirit, and yes blood plays a part as well, but in contributing to and >fortifying the whole with its unique and special inheritance. Black Elk, >as with many others, was the carrier of a vision which was not dependent >upon him, but which he did manage to broadcast...and such a great >vision...and yet by the status quo that grinds many into the ground he >would be considered a failure? Preposterous. > >Sorry for the length of this email. I have not spoken about this before to >anyone other than my husband. As the subject of spiritual or psychic >inheritance was brought up, I thought I might contribute a little. > >Thanks for permitting me to ramble. > >Juli > >(By the way, I have Strickland ancestors as well, married into the line >which was part Chahta, in Oklahoma. My husband's family all hail largely >from Washington and Tangipahoa Parishes for the past century and a half.) > >At 02:19 PM 8/30/00 -0500, you wrote: >>I am a man. I have many experiences of a spiritual and /or psychic nature, >>also. > > >==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== >To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L: >Send msg. to [email protected] >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures.......

Dodie I seem to have this gift as well as my girls. But it comes from my moms side and she has no Indian blood what so ever. Cecilia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dodie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:26 AM Subject: [CHAHTA] Question > I am 1/8 Cherokee so I am on a Cherokee list. The subject of dreams have > come up. Most of the people have dreams that come true and they know at > the time they are like predictions. My mother who was Cherokee was > amazing at this. I have this gift also but not as strongly as my mother. > Have any of you had this experience? Trying to decided if it is a > Cherokee thing or if others have this gift also. I am am much more > Chahta than Cherokee and consider myself Chahta so naturally wonder if > our people have this gift also. My father never did this, but it seems > to be more a woman thing anyway. > Dodie > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm >