I remember. I am so sorry about your daughter. Hope her little finger gives her no problems. They can do a lot of good work with skin graft. Yes we are given what we can handle at the time. Hugs to you, your granddaughter, and her mother too. Dodie Choctaw wrote: > Ok...if anyone remembers me saying that I "heard" someone say "I've cut my > finger off" and that my bro-in-law wouldn't use his knife that evening > because I told him about it. Well, I had ruled out it being any of the kids > because whoever said it was calm and not excited or screaming. Well, just > found out yesterday that my Grand-daughter cut of a big part of her finger > on the seam of her neighbors swimming pool. She'll need skin graphs to > make it look remotely normal, but she's dealing with it very well. Her Mom > said she didn't get excited, their neighbor is an RN and he took care of it, > since there was nothing to put back on, they are just taking her to doc next > week to see about the graphting. Wish us luck with this one. > That's one of those times you wish you had seen or heard more....or that I > could at least figure "who" it is. Gets frustrating at times, but I really > do wish I understood it and learn to use it better. It's never been anything > that would affect me directly...always about someone else. > I guess someday, I'll know what I need to....never more than I can handle I > guess. > Shelley > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm

There will be an Annual Inter-Tribal Pow-Wow at Jonesboro, AR on the ASU campus. Oct. 21-22. For anyone who would like details, email me and I'll get you all the info or aswers I can. There will be Kiowa from Oklahoma, Chahta from MS, and others including me the Oklahoma Chahta there. Lots of inter-tribal dances. There will be venders and the AIA of Millington, TN will be there. Lots of really nice people, so come join us. I can help with directions, motels (if needed), etc. Feel free to email me with any questions and I'll try to find an answer. [email protected] Shelley

Ok...if anyone remembers me saying that I "heard" someone say "I've cut my finger off" and that my bro-in-law wouldn't use his knife that evening because I told him about it. Well, I had ruled out it being any of the kids because whoever said it was calm and not excited or screaming. Well, just found out yesterday that my Grand-daughter cut of a big part of her finger on the seam of her neighbors swimming pool. She'll need skin graphs to make it look remotely normal, but she's dealing with it very well. Her Mom said she didn't get excited, their neighbor is an RN and he took care of it, since there was nothing to put back on, they are just taking her to doc next week to see about the graphting. Wish us luck with this one. That's one of those times you wish you had seen or heard more....or that I could at least figure "who" it is. Gets frustrating at times, but I really do wish I understood it and learn to use it better. It's never been anything that would affect me directly...always about someone else. I guess someday, I'll know what I need to....never more than I can handle I guess. Shelley

I think Charlie Jones is a great story teller (Shukanumpa) He lives in Idabel and is a member of the Tribal council .

you all want to hear something really wild! the book of mormon is about a group of "indians" from egypt and jerusalem, jews, who traveled to south american and settled the lands there and here in north america. the story is about 2 brothers who constantantly at war with each other they have a final battle in the new york area and one group is completly wiped out. archaeology records were found (brass plates) but no one knows where they are today( but the book tells of many other records in a language that is both egyptian and jewish) it tells of the final days of the indians and their future and tells also about the white man and the things he must do for the indian its good reading once you read it though you cant stop reading it again im not advocating to become a mormon because i think this group is trying to keep it from the indian out of spite and plus their leader joseph smith was killed because he sinned so much against maybe the indian the true meaning and purpose of the book of mormon has been lost and needs to be rediscovered here is a small excerpt from the book and now i would prophesy somewhat more concerning the jews and the gentiles (whites). for after the book (mormon) of which i have sspoken shall come forth and be written unto the gentiles and sealed up again unto teh lord therre sahll be many which shall believe the words which are written and they shall carry them forth unto the remnant of our seed and then shall the remnant of our seed know concerning us how that we came out from jerusalem and that they are descendants of the jews and the gospel shall be declared among them wherefore they shall be restored unto the knowledge of their fathers and also to the knowledge of jc which was had among their fathers ----- Original Message ----- From: Val <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] I Need Help!! > I truly believe we must allow ourselves to accept the 'planes' of existence > and our People will find us. It does help to be in the area where they > lived or on our 'land base'. Where there footsteps traveled always helps if > you can not achieve some sort of spiritual guidance. We have been raised by > negative discrimination for so long that to even be able to imagine the many > planes the universe posesses are almost impossible. Accept their existence. > Life is energy, energy is light and light travels forever. Our ancestors > are at their campfires in the Milky Way, a place where the Earth exists. > Allow them to come to you. Maybe you are expecting to much! Accept that > you are Chata, believe their words. VMc > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "faynshep" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 7:52 PM > Subject: [CHAHTA] I Need Help!! > > > > I have read with much interest all the posts that have to do with things > of a spiritual nature. I believe that term covers the spectrum. I > understand not telling others for fear of being called crazy. I had an out > of body experience 39 years ago when my first daughter was being born and > didn't speak of it for 20 years. > > I haven't asked for help finding my Choctaw ancestors yet because I felt > it was useless and it may be. I feel that without help from the other side > from my great-great grandmother, I will never find the information I need > written in any book, or on any piece of paper any where. They said she was > part Choctaw and that she was raped by a full-blood Choctaw. This was in > 1880 and she never married or had any other children besides my great > grandfather. The chances of my finding any thing written down any where is > "0". Many times I have wished I could be close to my departed ancestors and > have been told that they are close to us and wondered if there was any way I > could prepare myself in order to be in tune to the quiet promptings that I > know are possible. From what I read and hear, I think it is more something > that is more a "gift" than something that can be "acquired." > > Does anyone have any ideas on this subject? > > Fay > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

THINK ON THESE THINGS > by Joyce Sequichie Hifler > > Many years ago a tribal elder told me he could lie on his back and stare at > the clouds overhead and he knew how to vaporize them. Native Americans have > more ways of communicating with nature than any of us can understand. You > must know that I never saw him vaporize a cloud -- but neither did I say I > did not believe him. > > In times prior to all the noise of electronics, it was my practice to > communicate with nature and certain persons close to me, using only my mind > and my spirit. In recent years, it was told to me that an elderly aunt once > said, "That child says the strangest things." I remember telling my mother > things that were going to happen and she would caution me that I was only > wishing. > > Most Native Americans are not psychic at all but their simplicity of beliefs > allows them to pray to an all-knowing Spirit and they do not question the > total Truth and Authority. > > > > archived at http://www.eScribe.com/life/nt/ > ______________________________________

dodie, that being indian thing you wrote was funny. i enjoyed it . here is a new one to add to the list being indian is getting a government student loan to go on to college with your GED. lol here is the address to get a student loan and grant ----- Original Message ----- From: Dodie <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 9:49 AM Subject: [CHAHTA] Being Indian > Posted on ndn-aim > By Tammy Salinas > > This was forwarded to me by a friend. This may have already > been > posted, if so - sorry. If not, enjoy! > > BEING INDIAN IS.............. > > Being Indian Is-feeding anyone and everyone who comes to your > door > hungry, with whatever you have. > > Being Indian Is-having every third person you meet tell you > about his > great grandmother who was a real Cherokee princess. > > Being Indian Is-being broke all summer long because you try > to make > very pow wow. > > Being Indian Is-loving frybread and dry meat. > > Being Indian Is-masking your emotions in times of stress. > > Being Indian Is-respecting your elders who have earned it. > > Being Indian Is-never giving up the struggle for survival. > > Being Indian Is-trading your surplus commodities for > something you > are in more need of. > > Being Indian Is-being known for your great sense of humor and > having > the ability to make jokes and laughter out of the worse > situation. > > Being Indian Is-not rioting in the streets but occupying > godforsaken > places like Alcatraz, Mount Rushmore, the New York-Canadian > bridge, > etc. and Whiteclay, Nebraska!!! (And Gallatin/Owen Counties > in KY & > being *content* with it) > > Being Indian Is-owning land and not being able to rent, > lease, sell > or even farm it yourself without BIA approval. > > Being Indian Is- feeling Red Eagle, Medicine Cloud, and > Pretty Bear > are more beautiful names than Smith, Johnson, or Jones. > > Being Indian Is-watching your daughter give away her only > pair of > overshoes to somebody who needs them more than her. > > Being Indian Is-having your all-Indian school team playing > against 7 > men on the basketball court. > > Being Indian Is-playing basketball at the outdoor courts on > the rez > til 3:00 am. > > Being Indian Is-either borrowing or lending money to your > skin > brothers and sisters at > least once a week. > > Being Indian Is-having people ask if they can touch your hair > or take > your picture. > > Being Indian Is-worrying about diabetes. > > Being Indian Is-knowing why the rez car in "Smoke Signals" > was funny! > > Being Indian Is-having more cousins than trees have leaves. > > Being Indian Is-cutting the mold off the commodity cheese so > you can > eat it anyway. > > Being Indian Is-having to explain *again* why you don't like > the > mascot. (So don't explain more than once, more than likely, > they will > abuse your words anyway) > > Being Indian Is-cursing F.A.S. > > Being Indian Is-fighting the likes of Slade Gordon > > Doing Indian Is- know the Reservation of Education. > > Being Indian Is-eating salmon for the 6th meal in a row. > > Being Indian Is-knowing to many people that have died of > cirrhosis, > exposure, or "accident" > > Being Indian Is-knowing history started before 1492. > > Being Indian Is-laughing with your friends so much your > facial > muscles hurt. > > Being Indian Is-singing 49 songs using a garbage can for a > drum. > > Being Indian Is-road trips cross country . . . just because . > . . > > Being Indian is having the strength to move your family at > any given > moment, for any given reason of another . . . and making it . > . . > > Being Indian Is-reading about your ancestors and relations in > an > anthropologist paper. > > Being Indian Is-knowing someone in Oklahoma City, > Albuquerque, San > Francisco, > Minneapolis or any other relocation center. > > Being Indian Is-losing your job after the grant ends. > > Being Indian is losing your job because you're different. > > Being Indian Is-having a song come to you at the oddest > times. Aho! > > Being Indian Is-counting the number of brown people > photographed in > magazine advertisements. > > Being Indian Is-celebrating the whale hunt. > > Being Indian Is-full of acronyms that affect your world (BIA, > IHS, > CSBG, ANA, FEMA, CCDBG, JTPA, WIA, SYEP, JOM, NIEA, > UNITY....... > > > Being Indian Is-PRIDE. > > Being Indian Is-BEAUTIFUL > > Being Indian Is-FOREVER...... > >>>>>>>>> > This is truly what it is being Indian . :) > Dodie > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > >

Hi everyone, this is patsy caleb out in tucson arizona i have been gone all summer but back in action i am a student of archaeology and part choctaw indian, part blackfoot etc. hi markie hows it going family names i am researching are: REEDS, WILLIAMS, CALEB, and a feew more

Cecilia, Sorry it took so long for my reply, You made me feel so special, Thanks. I do believe that we are all gifted in different ways and some how we lose if when we dont use it. we need to open and free from the pressure outher would place on us. sue ----- Original Message ----- From: Cecilia D. <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Question > I trust a childs reaction because they haven't learned to lie and cover > thing up. Like the ole saying there is nothing as honest as a child. I > have heard that we as adults lose this ability because we clog up our minds > with other things plus we tell the little white lies. > Did I make any sense? > Cecilia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dodie" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 11:08 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Question > > > > Sue since you know others have this and it is natural thing maybe it will > come > > back. I think child are more open to it because no one has told them it is > > "different". > > > > Norvin & Sue Kenner wrote: > > > > > When I was a child I would stand at the window and get really excited > > > telling my parents who was coming. cant you see them I would say. A > short > > > time later the very same people I spoke of would arrive, Much to > everyone's > > > surprise. Some how over the years I have lost it. But I still sense > dangers > > > and events, for family members. Sue from Oregon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:32 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Question > > > > > > > Dodie, > > > > > > > > This was along time ago that I was his ginnie pig ! 12 years or > better. > > > But > > > > his class did this experiment, and they did find that this ESP thing > is > > > more > > > > dominate in women, but is in men. I don't remember any ethnic > statistics. > > > But > > > > it was found that with the women it was more often, and clearer > "pictures" > > > > when the moon is full. > > > > > > > > This used to bother me to have this, when I was a child. But now I > like > > > it. > > > > The way mine works is, like when my daughter or son is getting ready > to do > > > > something, it just comes to me, FAST!! like a fast movie. Its always a > > > > protective type thing. If I say don't do that, your going to get hurt, > > > even > > > > if they are aways off and cannot here what I am saying. I just see > what is > > > > going to happen. And most often they ignore me and keep going, and > just > > > like > > > > I saw what was going to happen, just like frame by frame of a movie. > > > > It can be very spooky, like when I'm driving, and have a choice of > route > > > to > > > > go somewhere, some times it happens then. I once saw myself in an > > > accident, > > > > it was very scary, I took the next turn off of the freeway. and that > was > > > > where it happened when I got off the freeway, someone rear-ended me > and > > > > pushed me into a ditch. It didn't save me from that but I saw it > before it > > > > happened. > > > > I have asked my aunt if this ran in the family, but she said she had > never > > > > heard of anyone having this in our family. > > > > Brandi > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > Choctaw Home Page: > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L: > > > Send msg. to [email protected] > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Choctaw Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > >

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I have a male friend who also has this power. He, too, considers it a curse. The problem seems to be that there is no one around to help or encourage or explain this phenomenon. I have tried to work with my friend encouraging him to seek help from the higher power who endowed him with this ability. I ask you to do the same. Fear is manifested in a lack of trust and understanding. Go to your higher power in love and submission and ask what it is that is wanted of you. Tvme [email protected] wrote: > Hello! > > I would like to add to this chat of "knowing" things. I have dreams of > events that come true. It scares me. I remember just one of many events > when I awoke one morning and my dad was watching the astronauts prepare to go > up. I remember coming into the room from my bedroom to get a cup of coffee > and I said "That rocket is going to get up there and blow up." I took my cup > of coffee and sat down to watch the preparation and the take-off with my dad. > Then right before our eyes, the rocket blew up killing all the astronauts > and the lady school teacher. I apologize for not remembering their names. > We were both shocked but I think I was more shocked than my dad. I had never > even, for a moment, considered what I had said. It was just a comment and > not a prediction. We would never have given it a second thought if it were > not for such comments throughout my life since the age of 4. My parents > always took precautions even if they didn't always totally believe what I > would say. > > My folks never talked about my telling of my dreams. We always kept it in > the family. I knew the morning on the day that my uncle was to die. He went > into a coma and then he died. > > My husband takes my dreams very seriously. I have yet for any of my > "special" dreams not come true. I keep praying that I never dream of > anything happening to anything or anyone extremely close to me or to my place > of work or where I attend college. I do not accept this fate as a gift but > as a curse. Even though it scares me and I hate having the dreams they still > happen. It is certainly not something one can control. I believe there are > people who have these "specializations" that the secular world cannot explain > and neither can the "church" world. I believe people like us who have these > "knowings" are extremely sensitive people and something or someone has > determined to have us be the "buffers" for those who may not be as sensitive > to their environment or even care. Some don't believe. > > My husband says I have extremely perceptive discernment. I believe this is > also because I am an extremely sensitive person and can pick up particular > "vibes or karma or whatever one chooses to call it." > > I believe there are a myriad of people who have these "knowings." But > because of not wanting to be singled out as "crazy", they keep quiet about > it. Maybe that is best. Because, with me, I consider it a scary event and > not a blessing. > > Patricia Ruskauff > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm

Hello! I would like to add to this chat of "knowing" things. I have dreams of events that come true. It scares me. I remember just one of many events when I awoke one morning and my dad was watching the astronauts prepare to go up. I remember coming into the room from my bedroom to get a cup of coffee and I said "That rocket is going to get up there and blow up." I took my cup of coffee and sat down to watch the preparation and the take-off with my dad. Then right before our eyes, the rocket blew up killing all the astronauts and the lady school teacher. I apologize for not remembering their names. We were both shocked but I think I was more shocked than my dad. I had never even, for a moment, considered what I had said. It was just a comment and not a prediction. We would never have given it a second thought if it were not for such comments throughout my life since the age of 4. My parents always took precautions even if they didn't always totally believe what I would say. My folks never talked about my telling of my dreams. We always kept it in the family. I knew the morning on the day that my uncle was to die. He went into a coma and then he died. My husband takes my dreams very seriously. I have yet for any of my "special" dreams not come true. I keep praying that I never dream of anything happening to anything or anyone extremely close to me or to my place of work or where I attend college. I do not accept this fate as a gift but as a curse. Even though it scares me and I hate having the dreams they still happen. It is certainly not something one can control. I believe there are people who have these "specializations" that the secular world cannot explain and neither can the "church" world. I believe people like us who have these "knowings" are extremely sensitive people and something or someone has determined to have us be the "buffers" for those who may not be as sensitive to their environment or even care. Some don't believe. My husband says I have extremely perceptive discernment. I believe this is also because I am an extremely sensitive person and can pick up particular "vibes or karma or whatever one chooses to call it." I believe there are a myriad of people who have these "knowings." But because of not wanting to be singled out as "crazy", they keep quiet about it. Maybe that is best. Because, with me, I consider it a scary event and not a blessing. Patricia Ruskauff

Dodie, I absolutely luved that, I had never read that. Some of it I did not get, but realize, someday I will. Thank you for sharing that with me, Brandi

Brandi: Glad you liked it. I wish some of it you never had to get. But yes, when you in Indian country a while you will understand all of it. [email protected] wrote: > Dodie, > I absolutely luved that, I had never read that. > > Some of it I did not get, but realize, someday I will. > > Thank you for sharing that with me, > Brandi > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm

Posted on ndn-aim By Tammy Salinas This was forwarded to me by a friend. This may have already been posted, if so - sorry. If not, enjoy! BEING INDIAN IS.............. Being Indian Is-feeding anyone and everyone who comes to your door hungry, with whatever you have. Being Indian Is-having every third person you meet tell you about his great grandmother who was a real Cherokee princess. Being Indian Is-being broke all summer long because you try to make very pow wow. Being Indian Is-loving frybread and dry meat. Being Indian Is-masking your emotions in times of stress. Being Indian Is-respecting your elders who have earned it. Being Indian Is-never giving up the struggle for survival. Being Indian Is-trading your surplus commodities for something you are in more need of. Being Indian Is-being known for your great sense of humor and having the ability to make jokes and laughter out of the worse situation. Being Indian Is-not rioting in the streets but occupying godforsaken places like Alcatraz, Mount Rushmore, the New York-Canadian bridge, etc. and Whiteclay, Nebraska!!! (And Gallatin/Owen Counties in KY & being *content* with it) Being Indian Is-owning land and not being able to rent, lease, sell or even farm it yourself without BIA approval. Being Indian Is- feeling Red Eagle, Medicine Cloud, and Pretty Bear are more beautiful names than Smith, Johnson, or Jones. Being Indian Is-watching your daughter give away her only pair of overshoes to somebody who needs them more than her. Being Indian Is-having your all-Indian school team playing against 7 men on the basketball court. Being Indian Is-playing basketball at the outdoor courts on the rez til 3:00 am. Being Indian Is-either borrowing or lending money to your skin brothers and sisters at least once a week. Being Indian Is-having people ask if they can touch your hair or take your picture. Being Indian Is-worrying about diabetes. Being Indian Is-knowing why the rez car in "Smoke Signals" was funny! Being Indian Is-having more cousins than trees have leaves. Being Indian Is-cutting the mold off the commodity cheese so you can eat it anyway. Being Indian Is-having to explain *again* why you don't like the mascot. (So don't explain more than once, more than likely, they will abuse your words anyway) Being Indian Is-cursing F.A.S. Being Indian Is-fighting the likes of Slade Gordon Doing Indian Is- know the Reservation of Education. Being Indian Is-eating salmon for the 6th meal in a row. Being Indian Is-knowing to many people that have died of cirrhosis, exposure, or "accident" Being Indian Is-knowing history started before 1492. Being Indian Is-laughing with your friends so much your facial muscles hurt. Being Indian Is-singing 49 songs using a garbage can for a drum. Being Indian Is-road trips cross country . . . just because . . . Being Indian is having the strength to move your family at any given moment, for any given reason of another . . . and making it . . . Being Indian Is-reading about your ancestors and relations in an anthropologist paper. Being Indian Is-knowing someone in Oklahoma City, Albuquerque, San Francisco, Minneapolis or any other relocation center. Being Indian Is-losing your job after the grant ends. Being Indian is losing your job because you're different. Being Indian Is-having a song come to you at the oddest times. Aho! Being Indian Is-counting the number of brown people photographed in magazine advertisements. Being Indian Is-celebrating the whale hunt. Being Indian Is-full of acronyms that affect your world (BIA, IHS, CSBG, ANA, FEMA, CCDBG, JTPA, WIA, SYEP, JOM, NIEA, UNITY....... Being Indian Is-PRIDE. Being Indian Is-BEAUTIFUL Being Indian Is-FOREVER...... >>>>>>>>> This is truly what it is being Indian . :) Dodie

Gladys, Welcome, and please do take part! Brandi

Another reason I heard said too was that they hadn't been gone from Heaven as long as adults. Fay - Original Message ----- From: Dodie <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Question > Yep, made perfect sense.......oh, politicians tell big black lies. :) > > "Cecilia D." wrote: > > > I trust a childs reaction because they haven't learned to lie and cover > > thing up. Like the ole saying there is nothing as honest as a child. I > > have heard that we as adults lose this ability because we clog up our minds > > with other things plus we tell the little white lies. > > Did I make any sense? > > Cecilia > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dodie" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 11:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Question > > > > > Sue since you know others have this and it is natural thing maybe it will > > come > > > back. I think child are more open to it because no one has told them it is > > > "different". > > > > > > Norvin & Sue Kenner wrote: > > > > > > > When I was a child I would stand at the window and get really excited > > > > telling my parents who was coming. cant you see them I would say. A > > short > > > > time later the very same people I spoke of would arrive, Much to > > everyone's > > > > surprise. Some how over the years I have lost it. But I still sense > > dangers > > > > and events, for family members. Sue from Oregon > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:32 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Question > > > > > > > > > Dodie, > > > > > > > > > > This was along time ago that I was his ginnie pig ! 12 years or > > better. > > > > But > > > > > his class did this experiment, and they did find that this ESP thing > > is > > > > more > > > > > dominate in women, but is in men. I don't remember any ethnic > > statistics. > > > > But > > > > > it was found that with the women it was more often, and clearer > > "pictures" > > > > > when the moon is full. > > > > > > > > > > This used to bother me to have this, when I was a child. But now I > > like > > > > it. > > > > > The way mine works is, like when my daughter or son is getting ready > > to do > > > > > something, it just comes to me, FAST!! like a fast movie. Its always a > > > > > protective type thing. If I say don't do that, your going to get hurt, > > > > even > > > > > if they are aways off and cannot here what I am saying. I just see > > what is > > > > > going to happen. And most often they ignore me and keep going, and > > just > > > > like > > > > > I saw what was going to happen, just like frame by frame of a movie. > > > > > It can be very spooky, like when I'm driving, and have a choice of > > route > > > > to > > > > > go somewhere, some times it happens then. I once saw myself in an > > > > accident, > > > > > it was very scary, I took the next turn off of the freeway. and that > > was > > > > > where it happened when I got off the freeway, someone rear-ended me > > and > > > > > pushed me into a ditch. It didn't save me from that but I saw it > > before it > > > > > happened. > > > > > I have asked my aunt if this ran in the family, but she said she had > > never > > > > > heard of anyone having this in our family. > > > > > Brandi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > > Choctaw Home Page: > > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L: > > > > Send msg. to [email protected] > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > Choctaw Home Page: > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Choctaw Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

Yep, made perfect sense.......oh, politicians tell big black lies. :) "Cecilia D." wrote: > I trust a childs reaction because they haven't learned to lie and cover > thing up. Like the ole saying there is nothing as honest as a child. I > have heard that we as adults lose this ability because we clog up our minds > with other things plus we tell the little white lies. > Did I make any sense? > Cecilia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dodie" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 11:08 PM > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Question > > > Sue since you know others have this and it is natural thing maybe it will > come > > back. I think child are more open to it because no one has told them it is > > "different". > > > > Norvin & Sue Kenner wrote: > > > > > When I was a child I would stand at the window and get really excited > > > telling my parents who was coming. cant you see them I would say. A > short > > > time later the very same people I spoke of would arrive, Much to > everyone's > > > surprise. Some how over the years I have lost it. But I still sense > dangers > > > and events, for family members. Sue from Oregon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:32 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] Question > > > > > > > Dodie, > > > > > > > > This was along time ago that I was his ginnie pig ! 12 years or > better. > > > But > > > > his class did this experiment, and they did find that this ESP thing > is > > > more > > > > dominate in women, but is in men. I don't remember any ethnic > statistics. > > > But > > > > it was found that with the women it was more often, and clearer > "pictures" > > > > when the moon is full. > > > > > > > > This used to bother me to have this, when I was a child. But now I > like > > > it. > > > > The way mine works is, like when my daughter or son is getting ready > to do > > > > something, it just comes to me, FAST!! like a fast movie. Its always a > > > > protective type thing. If I say don't do that, your going to get hurt, > > > even > > > > if they are aways off and cannot here what I am saying. I just see > what is > > > > going to happen. And most often they ignore me and keep going, and > just > > > like > > > > I saw what was going to happen, just like frame by frame of a movie. > > > > It can be very spooky, like when I'm driving, and have a choice of > route > > > to > > > > go somewhere, some times it happens then. I once saw myself in an > > > accident, > > > > it was very scary, I took the next turn off of the freeway. and that > was > > > > where it happened when I got off the freeway, someone rear-ended me > and > > > > pushed me into a ditch. It didn't save me from that but I saw it > before it > > > > happened. > > > > I have asked my aunt if this ran in the family, but she said she had > never > > > > heard of anyone having this in our family. > > > > Brandi > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > > Choctaw Home Page: > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > > To subscribe to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L: > > > Send msg. to [email protected] > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > > Choctaw Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Choctaw Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm

I truly believe we must allow ourselves to accept the 'planes' of existence and our People will find us. It does help to be in the area where they lived or on our 'land base'. Where there footsteps traveled always helps if you can not achieve some sort of spiritual guidance. We have been raised by negative discrimination for so long that to even be able to imagine the many planes the universe posesses are almost impossible. Accept their existence. Life is energy, energy is light and light travels forever. Our ancestors are at their campfires in the Milky Way, a place where the Earth exists. Allow them to come to you. Maybe you are expecting to much! Accept that you are Chata, believe their words. VMc ----- Original Message ----- From: "faynshep" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 7:52 PM Subject: [CHAHTA] I Need Help!! > I have read with much interest all the posts that have to do with things of a spiritual nature. I believe that term covers the spectrum. I understand not telling others for fear of being called crazy. I had an out of body experience 39 years ago when my first daughter was being born and didn't speak of it for 20 years. > I haven't asked for help finding my Choctaw ancestors yet because I felt it was useless and it may be. I feel that without help from the other side from my great-great grandmother, I will never find the information I need written in any book, or on any piece of paper any where. They said she was part Choctaw and that she was raped by a full-blood Choctaw. This was in 1880 and she never married or had any other children besides my great grandfather. The chances of my finding any thing written down any where is "0". Many times I have wished I could be close to my departed ancestors and have been told that they are close to us and wondered if there was any way I could prepare myself in order to be in tune to the quiet promptings that I know are possible. From what I read and hear, I think it is more something that is more a "gift" than something that can be "acquired." > Does anyone have any ideas on this subject? > Fay > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.htm >

Dear Fay and Arla, I have found proof of heirship... but my ancestors keep calling me. My GGreatGrandMother Amanda Guynes and GGGRandFather John are there say keep hunting my child you will mind us. Each time I search I keep being drawn back to this one Family of Guynes. I know my ancestors are there I just can't connect. I have found them on paper but not where they came from. I feel its either MIssissippi or maybe LA...just haven't connected. I know its my GGGrandMother saying I'm here honey you just have to find me and when you do my arms will wrap around you and lead you where ever you need to be. I just feel it. It just seems the more I find the more I want. I just know its my GGGrandMother calling me. I feel her presentence there. Keep searchin they are there... I will never give up to find then. I wish my GGreatmother and GGGrandfather could see their GGGGGrandaughters. They would be so proud. I have 6 generations now and still looking. ONe of my daughters is as blond and blueyed as she can be but her heritage is as important to her ans if she was dark haired and dark skined as our people were at the beginning My prayer is that all of our people find each other ...wouldn't it be the best Pow Wow in heaven that we have ever had!!!! Love to all my brothers and sisters in our Choctaw and to all the Native Americans I praise you and someday we will all meet in Heaven and unite again. May all be blessed today and everyday, LInda Kirby Branum Researching: Guynes,(Guynes isChoctaw Line) Henderson, Odgen, Kirby, Branum ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Arla Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 01, 1980 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [CHAHTA] I Need Help!! > Many times I > > have wished I could be close to my departed ancestors and have been told that > > they are close to us and wondered if there was any way I could prepare myself > > in order to be in tune to the quiet promptings that I know are possible. From > > what I read and hear, I think it is more something that is more a "gift" than > > something that can be "acquired." > > Does anyone have any ideas on this subject? > > Fay > > > > Fay, > Many think that being in tune to our Ancestors or being able to dream dreams or any other way of connecting is a gift. > Each of us possess the ability to do this. We have to allow this to come to us. When I hear someone say it is a gift it makes me uneasy because so many feel a gift is only given for something special. > The Ancestors are so important to the Chata that if we open up to them they can provide us with many links to our past. > I had a conversation with someone about this.It affirmed what I knew in my heart.All I had to do was to put myself in the space of reverence and to ask and then open myself to hear. > I can't say if I will ever be able to paper prove my Chata Blood but my heart knows it.All I ask is to find the bones of my Grandmothers who came to Ok. from Alabama and Mississippi. I am assured I will in Creator's time.The Grandmothers will see to this. > I can't say that you will ever find any paper proof either but you can connect in a way that will give you a peace in knowing. > The Bible says ask and it shall be given and also if you have but the faith the size of a grain of mustard you can say to the mountain move. It works the same with those that come to help us.All they ask is the faith to believe that they can help us. > Many times when my faith wavers someone is put in my path to affirm that I have the Ancestors help in looking for the place of the bones of my Grandmothers. I honor their help.I have no special gift nor am more special because I see things. > If I can help you in any way pleas feel free to ask. It would be my honor. > Arla > > > > > ==== CHAHTA Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >