I don't think we can say it is nothing to do with this list when a posting made to the list is not delivered. And we can't assume that others are not affected, when anyone affected would be unable to tell us, unless they knew enough to find a workaround. I wouldn't criticise someone for attempting to diagnose the technical cause of their own problem. We might also remember that the posting that didn't get through originally was not a complaint, but a contribution to an existing thread. I agree that this should have been taken off-list earlier, when the list-owner undertook to discuss it with RootsWeb. What has kept it going on the list is one intervention which addressed the problem and two which didn't (make that three, now, with this message). Ciarán Ó Duibhín. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemary Jorgenson" <rpj@shaw.ca> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [CFTW] (forw) Strange mail server setup at rootsweb.com > Okay, then since it has nothing to do with this list and certainly is just > uninteresting techno-babble that has nothing to do with the rest of us list > members, could you please take this discussion off-list and deal directly > with whomever will likely be able to resolve your problem. I think most of > us have heard more about this issue now than is tolerable considering only > you are affected. Thank you for your consideration of the rest of us by > doing so. Good luck in your quest. > Rosemary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christian Perrier" <bubulle@kheops.frmug.org> > To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 4:16 AM > Subject: Re: [CFTW] (forw) Strange mail server setup at rootsweb.com > > > > Quoting Ernie Drabble (ernie@drabblembe.freeserve.co.uk): > > > > > I echo George's earlier comments - as a member of this list and having > > > nothing whatsoever to do with it's excellent operation, I consider such > > > comments totally inappropriate and unjustified, particularly when > describing > > > someone who we do not know, but who does an excellent job for no > > > remuneration. Over the past two years I have received nothing but useful > > > advice and help from both the Administrator and other members of this > list, > > > and I for one am more than willing to support them wherever I can. > > > > THe problem is not the way this list is administered. The problem is > > the way rootsweb servers are administered. > > > > Doing volunteer work does not prevent to be professionnal. The choices > > made for Rootsweb server (which seems to be refusing mail when reverse > > DNS lookup of the originating server is not operational) are very well > > known to be inappropriate choices, for lots of reasons, for instance > > by all people who have (voluntarily) participated in setting up > > Internet infrastructure in Africa, or some other so-called "merging" > > countries (just try to do reverse DNS lookups with Centrafrica for > > instance...). > > > > The current rootsweb server violates at least one RFC: RFC 2821 ("3.6 > > Domains" and moreover "4.1.4 Order of Commands" which is very > > clear). My own server does not. > > > > > > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > > You can contact the List Manager at: > > CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

If any subscriber is having problems posting and/or receiving List email, he/she should contact the List Manager, which in this case, happens to be me. Such complaints should NOT be sent to the entire List. If anyone does not know the address of the List Manager, all he/she has to do is look at the bottom of the posts for instructions. Technical problems with a List do not USUALLY concern all the List subscribers. "One-of-a-kind" problems of ONE user certainly do not belong here. If several users were to email me privately with the SAME problem, then "I" would bring up the subject on the List to see if others were having the same type of problem. END OF THREAD -- END OF SUBJECT Regards, George W. Durman List Manager At 3/6/04 01:16 PM Saturday, Ciarán Ó Duibhín wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >I don't think we can say it is nothing to do with this list when a posting >made to the list is not delivered. And we can't assume that others are >not >affected, when anyone affected would be unable to tell us, unless they >knew >enough to find a workaround. I wouldn't criticise someone for attempting >to >diagnose the technical cause of their own problem. We might also remember >that the posting that didn't get through originally was not a complaint, >but >a contribution to an existing thread. > >I agree that this should have been taken off-list earlier, when the >list-owner undertook to discuss it with RootsWeb. What has kept it going >on >the list is one intervention which addressed the problem and two which >didn't (make that three, now, with this message). > >Ciarán Ó Duibhín. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rosemary Jorgenson" <rpj@shaw.ca> >To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 1:48 AM >Subject: Re: [CFTW] (forw) Strange mail server setup at rootsweb.com > > > > Okay, then since it has nothing to do with this list and certainly is > just > > uninteresting techno-babble that has nothing to do with the rest of us >list > > members, could you please take this discussion off-list and deal > directly > > with whomever will likely be able to resolve your problem. I think most > of > > us have heard more about this issue now than is tolerable considering > only > > you are affected. Thank you for your consideration of the rest of us by > > doing so. Good luck in your quest. > > Rosemary > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Christian Perrier" <bubulle@kheops.frmug.org> > > To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 4:16 AM > > Subject: Re: [CFTW] (forw) Strange mail server setup at rootsweb.com > > > > > > > Quoting Ernie Drabble (ernie@drabblembe.freeserve.co.uk): > > > > > > > I echo George's earlier comments - as a member of this list and >having > > > > nothing whatsoever to do with it's excellent operation, I consider >such > > > > comments totally inappropriate and unjustified, particularly when > > describing > > > > someone who we do not know, but who does an excellent job for no > > > > remuneration. Over the past two years I have received nothing but >useful > > > > advice and help from both the Administrator and other members of > this > > list, > > > > and I for one am more than willing to support them wherever I can. > > > > > > THe problem is not the way this list is administered. The problem is > > > the way rootsweb servers are administered. > > > > > > Doing volunteer work does not prevent to be professionnal. The > choices > > > made for Rootsweb server (which seems to be refusing mail when > reverse > > > DNS lookup of the originating server is not operational) are very > well > > > known to be inappropriate choices, for lots of reasons, for instance > > > by all people who have (voluntarily) participated in setting up > > > Internet infrastructure in Africa, or some other so-called "merging" > > > countries (just try to do reverse DNS lookups with Centrafrica for > > > instance...). > > > > > > The current rootsweb server violates at least one RFC: RFC 2821 ("3.6 > > > Domains" and moreover "4.1.4 Order of Commands" which is very > > > clear). My own server does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > > > You can contact the List Manager at: > > > CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > > You can contact the List Manager at: > > CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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