I do recall some time ago (a year or more) someone told me that the way I had emigrate and immigrate events was totally backwards. I thought I checked and thought they were so I fixed it - I thought. Now I am being told that they are backwards again. So I double checked on a Web dictionary and found: emigrate means to exit a country immigrate means to enter a country Thus my events should really say: %N emigrated from %P %N immigrated to %P and I think they are the other way around. I wonder how many people I have messed up with this. I think in Ver 3.07 I better set it straight (again). Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

Ira, I think that your current version is ok. Emigrating is used when a person is leaving his original country of residence to (permanently) live in another country. So it should read 'emigrated to' Immigrating is used when a person is entering his new country of permanent residence (after emigrating from his fatherland). So it should read 'immigrated from'. kind regards, Alfred ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ira J Lund" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 18:29 Subject: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate > I do recall some time ago (a year or more) someone told me that the way I > had emigrate and immigrate events was totally backwards. I thought I > checked and thought they were so I fixed it - I thought. Now I am being > told that they are backwards again. So I double checked on a Web dictionary > and found: > > emigrate means to exit a country > immigrate means to enter a country > > Thus my events should really say: > > %N emigrated from %P > %N immigrated to %P > > and I think they are the other way around. I wonder how many people I have > messed up with this. I think in Ver 3.07 I better set it straight (again). > > Ira > ------------------------------------------------ > Mr. Ira J. Lund > E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com > > Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043 > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

No, Ira!! Your definition of emigrate/immigrate is correct. But your text should say %N emigrated to %P %N immigrated from %P The words emigrate/immigrate relate to the standpoint of the speaker. If the speaker is in country A which %N leaves to go to %P then, from the speaker's point of view, he has emigrated to %P. If %N arrives in the speaker's country A he is immigrating to A from %P. Clear? Greetings Harvey Nimmo >-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >Von: Ira J Lund [mailto:[email protected]] >Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. März 2001 23:30 >An: [email protected] >Betreff: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate > > >I do recall some time ago (a year or more) someone told me that the way I >had emigrate and immigrate events was totally backwards. I thought I >checked and thought they were so I fixed it - I thought. Now I am being >told that they are backwards again. So I double checked on a Web dictionary >and found: > >emigrate means to exit a country >immigrate means to enter a country > >Thus my events should really say: > >%N emigrated from %P >%N immigrated to %P > >and I think they are the other way around. I wonder how many people I have >messed up with this. I think in Ver 3.07 I better set it straight (again). > >Ira >------------------------------------------------ >Mr. Ira J. Lund >E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com > >Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043 > > >==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== >You can contact the List Manager at: >[email protected] > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

I agree with everyone that it is currently correct in vers 3.06 and should not be changed, however another similar confusion occurs with Departure/Arrival. I think departure is wrong eg. William departed April 10, 1826 at London Middlesex. Therefore I think it should read %N departed %D p{from} %P, likewise Arrival might read better with %N arrived %D p{in} %P. To confuse this even further it would be equally correct to say the following %N departed %D p{for} %P and likewise %N arrived %D p{from} %P. The question I have is that if we each change it to read in what we believe is correct English, how will GEDCOM handle it? Russell Hartnoll Auckland, New Zealand. >-----Original Message----- >From: Ira J Lund [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:30 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate > > >I do recall some time ago (a year or more) someone told me that the way I >had emigrate and immigrate events was totally backwards. I thought I >checked and thought they were so I fixed it - I thought. Now I am being >told that they are backwards again. So I double checked on a Web dictionary >and found: > >emigrate means to exit a country >immigrate means to enter a country > >Thus my events should really say: > >%N emigrated from %P >%N immigrated to %P > >and I think they are the other way around. I wonder how many people I have >messed up with this. I think in Ver 3.07 I better set it straight (again). > >Ira > >

G'day , Mea culpa! Ira wrote:- > I do recall some time ago (a year or more) someone told me that the way I > had emigrate and immigrate events was totally backwards. I thought I > checked and thought they were so I fixed it - I thought. Now I am being > told that they are backwards again. So I double checked on a Web dictionary > and found: > > emigrate means to exit a country > immigrate means to enter a country > > Thus my events should really say: > > %N emigrated from %P > %N immigrated to %P I must admit that I was the person that pointed Ira originally to the "error of his ways" ;-) Now that I check my DB in 3.05 I find that immigrants/emigrants are the wrong way round. I still have v 2.50 and checked against an old DB where they are correct. Being a pedantic bastard I have checked the Oxford (UK), WEBSTERS (1894 - USA) and the MACQUARIE (Australia). All use the definitions above. If one of the beauties of CFT is that it helps "write the book", please let us get it right. HURU, Mike CALDER http://members.optushome.com.au/mikecalder/ Researching: CALDER, DIXON, TUSON, GRACIE D&GFHS #2629