I believe the discussion is complicated of un-precise examples. Let me clarify using Reidars example below: Seen from Norway: "John emigrated from Norway and he emigrated to USA". Reider would want his story to read "John emigrated to USA" Seen from USA: "John immigrated from Norway and he immigrated into USA". If John was Ira's grandfather, Ira would want to write "John immigrated from Norway" The confusion may have arisen because the Americans, Australians etc. on this list mostly handles immigrants (people entering their country), wheras we in Europe and places like that mostly have family members who emigrated from (left) our countries. Did this help? Jens E. Brammer Øverød, Danmark > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate > > > Ira, > > Hoping not to complicate this further I think Alfred has got a point and > that this is the way most people would understand. > However, I do think the correct way of using these terms should be: > > "A person emigrates from a country and immigrates to a country". > Example: "John emigrated from Norway and immigrated to the USA". > Thus, to be correct you should use borth events (emigration and > immigration) > when you want to inform someone that a person has left a country to enter > another country. > > To avoid implementing both events (in telling that a person leave > or enter a > country)I think you should stick with the current version. > > Regards > > Reidar > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alfred Kraft van Ermel [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 1:06 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate > > > > > > Ira, > > > > I think that your current version is ok. > > > > Emigrating is used when a person is leaving his original country of > > residence to (permanently) live in another country. So it should read > > 'emigrated to' > > > > Immigrating is used when a person is entering his new country > > of permanent > > residence (after emigrating from his fatherland). So it should read > > 'immigrated from'. > > > > kind regards, > > > > Alfred > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ira J Lund" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 18:29 > > Subject: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate > > > > > > > I do recall some time ago (a year or more) someone told me > > that the way I > > > had emigrate and immigrate events was totally backwards. I thought I > > > checked and thought they were so I fixed it - I thought. > > Now I am being > > > told that they are backwards again. So I double checked on a Web > > dictionary > > > and found: > > > > > > emigrate means to exit a country > > > immigrate means to enter a country > > > > > > Thus my events should really say: > > > > > > %N emigrated from %P > > > %N immigrated to %P > > > > > > and I think they are the other way around. I wonder how > > many people I have > > > messed up with this. I think in Ver 3.07 I better set it > > straight (again). > > > > > > Ira > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > Mr. Ira J. Lund > > > E-mail: [email protected] Web: > > http://www.cf-software.com > > > > > > Cumberland Family Software, > > 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043 > > > > > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > > > You can contact the List Manager at: > > > [email protected] > > > > > > ============================== > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access > > to the #1 > > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcec > ode=F11HB > > > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > [email protected] (for individual messages) > [email protected] (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html >
Emigrate - to leave one country or region to settle in another; i.e. migrate. Immigrate - to pass or come into a new habitat or place of residence The American College Dictionary At 15:26 21/03/01 +0100, you wrote: >I believe the discussion is complicated of un-precise examples. Let me >clarify using Reidars example below: >Seen from Norway: "John emigrated from Norway and he emigrated to USA". >Reider would want his story to read "John emigrated to USA" >Seen from USA: "John immigrated from Norway and he immigrated into USA". If >John was Ira's grandfather, Ira would want to write "John immigrated from >Norway" > >The confusion may have arisen because the Americans, Australians etc. on >this list mostly handles immigrants (people entering their country), wheras >we in Europe and places like that mostly have family members who emigrated >from (left) our countries. > >Did this help? > >Jens E. Brammer >Øverød, Danmark > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:36 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate >> >> >> Ira, >> >> Hoping not to complicate this further I think Alfred has got a point and >> that this is the way most people would understand. >> However, I do think the correct way of using these terms should be: >> >> "A person emigrates from a country and immigrates to a country". >> Example: "John emigrated from Norway and immigrated to the USA". >> Thus, to be correct you should use borth events (emigration and >> immigration) >> when you want to inform someone that a person has left a country to enter >> another country. >> >> To avoid implementing both events (in telling that a person leave >> or enter a >> country)I think you should stick with the current version. >> >> Regards >> >> Reidar >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Alfred Kraft van Ermel [mailto:[email protected]] >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 1:06 PM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate >> > >> > >> > Ira, >> > >> > I think that your current version is ok. >> > >> > Emigrating is used when a person is leaving his original country of >> > residence to (permanently) live in another country. So it should read >> > 'emigrated to' >> > >> > Immigrating is used when a person is entering his new country >> > of permanent >> > residence (after emigrating from his fatherland). So it should read >> > 'immigrated from'. >> > >> > kind regards, >> > >> > Alfred >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Ira J Lund" <[email protected]> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 18:29 >> > Subject: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate >> > >> > >> > > I do recall some time ago (a year or more) someone told me >> > that the way I >> > > had emigrate and immigrate events was totally backwards. I thought I >> > > checked and thought they were so I fixed it - I thought. >> > Now I am being >> > > told that they are backwards again. So I double checked on a Web >> > dictionary >> > > and found: >> > > >> > > emigrate means to exit a country >> > > immigrate means to enter a country >> > > >> > > Thus my events should really say: >> > > >> > > %N emigrated from %P >> > > %N immigrated to %P >> > > >> > > and I think they are the other way around. I wonder how >> > many people I have >> > > messed up with this. I think in Ver 3.07 I better set it >> > straight (again). >> > > >> > > Ira >> > > ------------------------------------------------ >> > > Mr. Ira J. Lund >> > > E-mail: [email protected] Web: >> > http://www.cf-software.com >> > > >> > > Cumberland Family Software, >> > 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043 >> > > >> > > >> > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== >> > > You can contact the List Manager at: >> > > [email protected] >> > > >> > > ============================== >> > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access >> > to the #1 >> > > Source for Family History Online. 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As long as we all understand what is meant in our databases, whether it is Im or Em it doesn't matter. We only have to be pedantic about it if we can't make sense of the meaning without. Tim & Pauline Churchill Lancaster http://www.tchurchill.co.uk