You say: <I have Cumberland Family Tree from Aug 2002 & have not been able to get the birth & death dates with them. I have names & IRN numbers only.> The current version of CFT is 3.14. In that as all of version 3, as far as I can remember you open the database, navigate to the person you want to add the details to, double click (L) on the person and a window opens with that persons details. Click on the add button at the top of the window and select the appropriate event from the drop- down list. Or are you saying that this does not work for you? Best wishes, Tim Churchill -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.306 / Virus Database: 265.8.9 - Release Date: 17/02/2005