I use CFT ver 3.14 with Windows Xp and Pentium III-800, my database has around 31.000 persons and it works fine, but I prefer export the gedcom files with the old Windows 98 in a Pentium II-133; working with many USB ports may do slowly the Xp. Excuse my poor english. Regards. José Manuel Espinosa Fabiola de Publicaciones Hispalenses. Publicaciones de Genealogía e Historia. Web editorial : http://www.fabiola7.com Base de Datos Genealógica: http://www.linajes.com Este correo electrónico contiene información privada y confidencial. Si usted no es el destinatario del mensaje no está autorizado a leerlo, copiarlo o difundirlo. Si lo ha recibido por error, por favor contacte con el remitente y destruya su contenido. Privileged/confidential information may be contained in this e-mail. Any reading, copying o dissemination of this communication by persons or entities other than its intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ira J Lund To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [CFTW] CFT Ver 3.14 and Windows XP Do you think defragging the disk would help? It is interesting that you have two computers that behave that way and yet no one else is claiming to have the same problem. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com Web: http://www.cf-software.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Helmer Nielsen" <ehelmer@boerne.dk> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [CFTW] CFT Ver 3.14 and Windows XP > Wed, 25 Feb 2004 07:20:44 -0600, Ira wrote > > >..... I do not know of a solution. > >Sorry, Ira > > I have two very different PC with Windows XP, a stationary one > and a portable. > They both behave in the same strange way, i.e. extremely slow > Gedcom Export. > Can I really be the only User with that problem? > > Erik Helmer Nielsen > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I have found the cause of this problem - which is related to another report from Bill LaBarge. AND I even wonder if this might be related to the slowdown reported by Erik Helmer Nielsen. But the strange thing is that I think this bug has always been there. It was related to what could be called old legacy code which is not exactly appropriate for the newer upgrades made to Clarion programming language. I have Zipped CFT.EXE and posted it on my web site but you can really only start the download by clicking on the link below or pasting to the URL and then ovewrite the old CFT.EXE in the Cumberland Family Tree folder. www.cf-software.com/CFT314c.zip I especially would like to hear whether the changes I made help Erik out with his problem. The details reported below by Les allowed me to pinpoint that problem rather quickly. Thanks, Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com Web: http://www.cf-software.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Bedford" <LB27@uk2.net> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 10:57 AM Subject: [CFTW] Problem with "Rebuild Indexes" > Ira > > I've been having problems when importing GEDCOM's - every time I do > this, I seem to loose one marriage event. I think I've now tracked down > what's happening, & it's the Rebuild Indexes which is causing the > problem, and not the actual import itself. > > The problem can be reproduced as follows: > > 1) Start with a brand-new, empty, database. > > 2) Add three individuals & two marriages so that the "Story" reads: > > 1. A A > > A and B B were married at Boston. > A and C C were married at New York. > > 3) Rebuild the indexes (uncheck all the boxes). The story now reads: > > 1. A A > > A and B B were married at Boston. > A and C C were married. > > 4) Rebuild the indexes a second time (uncheck all the boxes). The > story now reads: > > 1. A A > > A and B B were married. > A and C C were married. > > 5) Looking at the three individuals confirms that both marriages have > disappeared. > > I'm using Windows 98SE & CFT-WIN Version 3.14.

Do you think defragging the disk would help? It is interesting that you have two computers that behave that way and yet no one else is claiming to have the same problem. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com Web: http://www.cf-software.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Helmer Nielsen" <ehelmer@boerne.dk> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [CFTW] CFT Ver 3.14 and Windows XP > Wed, 25 Feb 2004 07:20:44 -0600, Ira wrote > > >..... I do not know of a solution. > >Sorry, Ira > > I have two very different PC with Windows XP, a stationary one > and a portable. > They both behave in the same strange way, i.e. extremely slow > Gedcom Export. > Can I really be the only User with that problem? > > Erik Helmer Nielsen >

At 2/25/04 08:18 PM Wednesday, Darrell Boethel wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >please check, and if my e-mail address is in your address book, please >remove it. i have to guess that my address is now on someone's virus >infected computer, because, now that i have joined the group, i'm suddenly >receiving lots of virus generated/laden e-mails. > >i'll unsubscribe from the group after this goes out, to try to prevent >this from happening again. > >sorry that it didn't work out. thanks **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** Hello Darrell, Do you subscribe to any other Mailing Lists? What makes you sure it's from this one? The way these new VIRUSES/WORMS/TROJANS work, the problem could be from ANYONE who has your email address in his/her Address Book, OR has email from you sitting in a mailbox in his/her email program. Unsubscribing from this List, or any other List, won't solve the problem. Your address is ALREADY in someone's Address Book, or someone already has email from you siting in his/her email program. It's not your problem. It's the problem of the "dumb-bunny" who clicked on an attachment and infected his/her system! I really don't mind so much receiving emails containing infections (have more protection on my system than the law should allow); it's when someone else's computer sends email FROM my email address and I get those damnable notices that the "message I sent" had an infected attachment. The Anti-Virus (AV) programs that a lot of smaller ISPs use automatically assumes that the email address in the From: header is the actual address from which the infected file was sent. Dang it, when are they going to learn that this type of Virus/Worm "spoofs" (fakes) the From: address, and that to send a notice to that "sender" is absolutely worthless?! I say "smaller ISPs" because the "big" ISPs don't send out such notices. I guess the smaller ones use cheap (inexpensive) AV detection software and don't even realize what is happening. In short, unsubscribing from this, or any other, List won't do you any good. The infected user's computer already has your email address. Come on back! Regards, SgtGeorge George W. Durman -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.224 / Virus Database: 261.9.9 - Release Date: 2/25/04

My XP machine does a Gedcom export from Version 3 in no time (less than 3 minutes). The version 2.51X with the same file export takes much longer..... My file has about 5800 people.... Karen In a message dated 2/25/2004 9:39:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, ehelmer@boerne.dk writes: > They both behave in the same strange way, i.e. extremely slow Gedcom > Export. > Can I really be the only User with that problem? >

please check, and if my e-mail address is in your address book, please remove it. i have to guess that my address is now on someone's virus infected computer, because, now that i have joined the group, i'm suddenly receiving lots of virus generated/laden e-mails. i'll unsubscribe from the group after this goes out, to try to prevent this from happening again. sorry that it didn't work out. thanks

Wed, 25 Feb 2004 07:20:44 -0600, Ira wrote >..... I do not know of a solution. >Sorry, Ira I have two very different PC with Windows XP, a stationary one and a portable. They both behave in the same strange way, i.e. extremely slow Gedcom Export. Can I really be the only User with that problem? Erik Helmer Nielsen

I have no idea why this would happen. I have Windows XP on my new machine and of course the computer is faster than my old one - and the GED runs faster than the old one. I do not know of a solution. Sorry, Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com Web: http://www.cf-software.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Helmer Nielsen" <ehelmer@boerne.dk> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 6:38 AM Subject: [CFTW] CFT Ver 3.14 and Windows XP > I use CFT 3.14 > My database has abt. 13500 persons > > A Gedcom Export of the whole database takes 7 min on an old PC > with Windows 98SE. > > On a new PC with Windows XP, 1800 Mhz CPU, 512 MB Ram and a fast > HD, Export of the same database takes more than 2 Hours. > > I think this is very strange. > Any other Users with similar experience? > What can I do to solve the problem? > > Erik

I use CFT 3.14 My database has abt. 13500 persons A Gedcom Export of the whole database takes 7 min on an old PC with Windows 98SE. On a new PC with Windows XP, 1800 Mhz CPU, 512 MB Ram and a fast HD, Export of the same database takes more than 2 Hours. I think this is very strange. Any other Users with similar experience? What can I do to solve the problem? Erik

All questions are basically judgement calls. There is no global change from place to address so manually changing each one would be required. As far as what I do. Basically I enter addresses ONLY if it is an Address Event and you are basically forced to do it that way since you are only presented the Address field on an Address Event. Thus a Cemetery - even with an address - will usually be on a Burial event and thus go into a place not address. In the case of the first question, the original intent was for presenting (or maybe printing) addresses the way they would appear on the outside of an envelope. Thus I would enter the name on first line. Sorting would not matter to me. There is no reason to keep addresses sorted - only for looking up in the Address List window. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com Web: http://www.cf-software.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deena Berton" <deenahome@camcom.com> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 11:11 PM Subject: [CFTW] Address field vs Place name field > Hello. I read the manual and I searched the archives. I've got most of my > questions answered there but I had the following remaining questions and > advice requests: > > 1) When there is an address with a descriptive name, e.g. Home for the Aged, > 1100 VFW Parkway, West Roxbury, MA 01234, USA would you enter the address > field with the first line as "Home for the Aged" or "1100 VFW Parkway" (the > later would allow the address to "sort right" in the numeric list view of > addresses but the descriptive line usually comes first in real layout of the > address)? I realize that may be a judgment call so I am looking for best > practices advice. > > 2) When you have a street name but no street number but it is functionally > an address because the place is small enough, e.g. "Via Della Rosa, Cesa, > Italy", that would be an address and not a place name, right? > > 3) Sometimes I have an exact address for a cemetery and sometimes I just > have the name of the cemetery and the town it is in. I'm wondering what > most people do -- use the address field even if you don't have the full > street address since it could arguably be used as a functional address or > use place name even if you do have the full street address or use either > depending whether you have the street address. > > 4) I've been using Ctree for a really long time so I have a bunch of > "addresses" in the place name fields (I recall a time before there were two > separate fields). Is there a function somewhere to change an entry in the > place name file to the address file? Or, do I have to retype them all into > the address file and then delete them from the place name file? > > Thanks in advance for any thoughts and thanks to Ira for a wonderful > program! > > Deena Berton

One is GEDCOM std and one CFT std. I think I inadvertantly added one for CFT before I realized there already was one for GEDCOM std. I suggest using the GED std. (SSN) Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com Web: http://www.cf-software.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deena Berton" <deenahome@camcom.com> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 11:18 AM Subject: [CFTW] Social Security Numbers > Ok, one last bit of advice, please. > > Regarding social security numbers. I assume everyone just puts them in the > Misc Editor, right? I'm looking for best practice advice on the state in > which the social security number was issued. Currently I enter it in the > Misc editor like "011-01-0001 (MA)" > > I guess the other option is to put just the number in the Misc Editor and > put the state in the Place Editor. > > Lastly, can anyone explain why there are two events: SSN (GEDCOM Standard) > and SOCS (CFT-Win) for social security number? I can't see any difference > between the two and I'm wondering when to use which one. > > Thanks, > Deena

No. to all questions. You can make a marriage event sensitive, but the actual link between two people can only be broken by disconnecting them. ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com Web: http://www.cf-software.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deena Berton" <deenahome@camcom.com> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 1:25 PM Subject: [CFTW] More "sensitive" questions > Can I make adoption sensitive so that the word "adoption" doesn¹t print on > any reports? > > Can I make the existence of a marriage sensitive so that it doesn't print on > any reports? > > Thanks. Sorry for so many questions. I'm trying to clean up my data before > I upgrade to 3.14. > > Deena

There is no way to make a person sensitive. I've never known anyone to feel sensitive about stillborns or deaths. The only case I have in my database is where a relative wants to disclaim their true parents and only wants adopted parents shown as true parents. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com Web: http://www.cf-software.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deena Berton" <deenahome@camcom.com> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 11:05 AM Subject: [CFTW] Sensitive "People" > I know there is a way to mark a particular EVENT as "sensitive" but is there > a way to mark a particular PERSON as "sensitive"? > > I ask because I have a number of situations where I have recorded the > birth/death of a stillborn child. I feel like this information could be > hurtful for some people to see in a printed list of their "children" yet I > would like to retain the information for accuracy. > > If there is no feature for this, would someone share with me how they handle > this kind of situation? > > Also, if this isn't a feature at present, would this merit a feature > enhancement some time in the future? (I guess that is for IRA to answer) > > Thanks, > Deena > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Can I make adoption sensitive so that the word "adoption" doesn¹t print on any reports? Can I make the existence of a marriage sensitive so that it doesn't print on any reports? Thanks. Sorry for so many questions. I'm trying to clean up my data before I upgrade to 3.14. Deena

Ok, one last bit of advice, please. Regarding social security numbers. I assume everyone just puts them in the Misc Editor, right? I'm looking for best practice advice on the state in which the social security number was issued. Currently I enter it in the Misc editor like "011-01-0001 (MA)" I guess the other option is to put just the number in the Misc Editor and put the state in the Place Editor. Lastly, can anyone explain why there are two events: SSN (GEDCOM Standard) and SOCS (CFT-Win) for social security number? I can't see any difference between the two and I'm wondering when to use which one. Thanks, Deena

I know there is a way to mark a particular EVENT as "sensitive" but is there a way to mark a particular PERSON as "sensitive"? I ask because I have a number of situations where I have recorded the birth/death of a stillborn child. I feel like this information could be hurtful for some people to see in a printed list of their "children" yet I would like to retain the information for accuracy. If there is no feature for this, would someone share with me how they handle this kind of situation? Also, if this isn't a feature at present, would this merit a feature enhancement some time in the future? (I guess that is for IRA to answer) Thanks, Deena

Hello. I read the manual and I searched the archives. I've got most of my questions answered there but I had the following remaining questions and advice requests: 1) When there is an address with a descriptive name, e.g. Home for the Aged, 1100 VFW Parkway, West Roxbury, MA 01234, USA would you enter the address field with the first line as "Home for the Aged" or "1100 VFW Parkway" (the later would allow the address to "sort right" in the numeric list view of addresses but the descriptive line usually comes first in real layout of the address)? I realize that may be a judgment call so I am looking for best practices advice. 2) When you have a street name but no street number but it is functionally an address because the place is small enough, e.g. "Via Della Rosa, Cesa, Italy", that would be an address and not a place name, right? 3) Sometimes I have an exact address for a cemetery and sometimes I just have the name of the cemetery and the town it is in. I'm wondering what most people do -- use the address field even if you don't have the full street address since it could arguably be used as a functional address or use place name even if you do have the full street address or use either depending whether you have the street address. 4) I've been using Ctree for a really long time so I have a bunch of "addresses" in the place name fields (I recall a time before there were two separate fields). Is there a function somewhere to change an entry in the place name file to the address file? Or, do I have to retype them all into the address file and then delete them from the place name file? Thanks in advance for any thoughts and thanks to Ira for a wonderful program! Deena Berton

Yes, it does make an assumption. And the reason the assumption is there is that most of the time (I would guess 95%+) the event is really "marriage" and when no marriage event is present or no date or place present in a marriage event, the couple names needs to be printed in a story. Thus the default of "marriage". I can guarantee it works most of the time. Years ago without that default printing there were lots of problems and complaints. Now with it as a default I only get an occasional complaint from someone (like you) who keeps wanting the program to read people's minds. (Sorry.) So the solution is to let the program handle a default for the 95%+ and then the user must do something specific if the default is not the case - which is what George and others have been trying to explain. I do not find that to be an unreasonable solution to this problem. The other thing I want to point out is that this has nothing whatsoever to do with GEDCOM. The story does not get exported to GEDCOM. And GEDCOM requires a FAM tag to connect people together the same way CFT does. In other ways there must be some sort of link between parents and children and husband and wife (or partners) and whether they are merely partners of any persuasion or truly married the internal programming links are exactly identical. No two ways about that. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com Web: http://www.cf-software.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Bedford" <LB27@uk2.net> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [CFTW] Unwanted marriage in story line. > I hesitate to criticise CFTW, because I really do think it's a > *terrific* program, but....... > > George, you say that "[you think] that CFTW was written with the > assumption that .......". Maybe you've hit the nail on the head. > > I guess my problem is really a philosophical one: that we have a > genealogy program which appears to *make an assumption*. > > Regards > > Les > > > In message <6.0.3.0.2.20040217172957.09142d60@mail.comcast.net>, George > W. Durman <GeorgeWDurman@comcast.net> writes > >This discussion revolves around, I think, the fact that CFTW was > >written with the assumption that the majority of male-female > >relationships would involve marriage -- thus the default of having > >spouse mentioned in the story. Of course Ira made provisions > >for "other" relationships, such as "Lived Together", etc. And, he > >wrote CFTW so that a user can make his own events to cover > >those situations that just don't fit anywhere else. As Mike says, > >Events are limited only by one's imagination. > > > >I've used CLM (Common Law Marriage), LTOG (Lived Together, > >Unmarried), NOTM (Were Not Married), and others. Once one > >of those is used, the user can delete the MARR (Married) event. > > > >If I didn't know if John JONES and Sarah SMITH were married > >or not, I would delete the MARR event and make one that fit > >the situation, OR just include the information in a Note, such as > >"It is not known whether John JONES and Sarah SMITH were > >married." CFTW is so versatile it's almost impossible to NOT > >be able to include an event that fits a specific situation. Heck, > >if a user wanted to make an Event for the case being discussed, > >MARU (Marriage Status Unknown): > > > >"It is not known whether %N and %S were married when they lived > >together p{in} %P d{in} %D." > > > >This would show up in the Story as, "It is not known whether > >John and Sarah were married when they lived together." (If > >something were typed in the Date: and/or Place:, that would show > >up too in the Story. > > > >SgtGeorge > > > >At 2/17/04 06:15 AM Tuesday, Mike Calder wrote: > >*********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* > > > >>G'day Mal and Les, > >> > >> >>> > >>I have a similar problem: I know John Jones and Sarah Smith had > >>children, but since I don't have any information as to whether or not > >>they were married, I don't tell CFT that they were. > >> >>> > >> > >>And > >> > >> > I know Ann was unmarried so how do I get rid of this > >> > reference to a spouse which prevents me building up an accurate > >> story. > >> > >>I have an event LTOG (Lived together(unmarried)) - I am not sure why > >>but > >>it appears as a CFT - Win Standard (Is that correct Ira?). Maybe I > >>entered it wrongly. > >> > >>It is only a "couple" event and has the following Sentence > >>construction: > >> > >>%N and %S lived together d{from} %D p{at} %P. > >> > >>Here is how it appears in the STORY pane: > >> > >> >>> > >>Sam and SarahJane were seperated in 1994. > >> > >> Sam and Joanne WRIGHT lived together from about 2000 > >> > >> Sam and Joanne had the following children: > >> > >>4. i. Matthew Wright CALDER was born June 30, 2003 at Mater Hospital, > >>Sydney, NSW. > >> >>> > >> > >>That is real life - the first grandson to carry the family name! Huge > >>grin. > >> > >>I now realise that you, Mal, are talking about something less > >>"formal". > >> > >>I suppose that if you really wanted to cover a passing relationship > >>you > >>could create your own event SHUP (shacked up with), HAFR (had an > >>affair) > >>where you would put "persons unknown" as the partner. With CFTW events > >>are only limited by you own imagination ;-) > >> > >>Mike CALDER > >>http://members.optusnet.com.au/mikecalder/ > >> > >> > >>==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > >>To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > >> CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > >> CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > >>Subject: unsubscribe > >>In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > >>(Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > >> > >>============================== > >>Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >>Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >**********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** > > > > -- > Les

I hesitate to criticise CFTW, because I really do think it's a *terrific* program, but....... George, you say that "[you think] that CFTW was written with the assumption that .......". Maybe you've hit the nail on the head. I guess my problem is really a philosophical one: that we have a genealogy program which appears to *make an assumption*. Regards Les In message <6.0.3.0.2.20040217172957.09142d60@mail.comcast.net>, George W. Durman <GeorgeWDurman@comcast.net> writes >This discussion revolves around, I think, the fact that CFTW was >written with the assumption that the majority of male-female >relationships would involve marriage -- thus the default of having >spouse mentioned in the story. Of course Ira made provisions >for "other" relationships, such as "Lived Together", etc. And, he >wrote CFTW so that a user can make his own events to cover >those situations that just don't fit anywhere else. As Mike says, >Events are limited only by one's imagination. > >I've used CLM (Common Law Marriage), LTOG (Lived Together, >Unmarried), NOTM (Were Not Married), and others. Once one >of those is used, the user can delete the MARR (Married) event. > >If I didn't know if John JONES and Sarah SMITH were married >or not, I would delete the MARR event and make one that fit >the situation, OR just include the information in a Note, such as >"It is not known whether John JONES and Sarah SMITH were >married." CFTW is so versatile it's almost impossible to NOT >be able to include an event that fits a specific situation. Heck, >if a user wanted to make an Event for the case being discussed, >MARU (Marriage Status Unknown): > >"It is not known whether %N and %S were married when they lived >together p{in} %P d{in} %D." > >This would show up in the Story as, "It is not known whether >John and Sarah were married when they lived together." (If >something were typed in the Date: and/or Place:, that would show >up too in the Story. > >SgtGeorge > >At 2/17/04 06:15 AM Tuesday, Mike Calder wrote: >*********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* > >>G'day Mal and Les, >> >> >>> >>I have a similar problem: I know John Jones and Sarah Smith had >>children, but since I don't have any information as to whether or not >>they were married, I don't tell CFT that they were. >> >>> >> >>And >> >> > I know Ann was unmarried so how do I get rid of this >> > reference to a spouse which prevents me building up an accurate >> story. >> >>I have an event LTOG (Lived together(unmarried)) - I am not sure why >>but >>it appears as a CFT - Win Standard (Is that correct Ira?). Maybe I >>entered it wrongly. >> >>It is only a "couple" event and has the following Sentence >>construction: >> >>%N and %S lived together d{from} %D p{at} %P. >> >>Here is how it appears in the STORY pane: >> >> >>> >>Sam and SarahJane were seperated in 1994. >> >> Sam and Joanne WRIGHT lived together from about 2000 >> >> Sam and Joanne had the following children: >> >>4. i. Matthew Wright CALDER was born June 30, 2003 at Mater Hospital, >>Sydney, NSW. >> >>> >> >>That is real life - the first grandson to carry the family name! Huge >>grin. >> >>I now realise that you, Mal, are talking about something less >>"formal". >> >>I suppose that if you really wanted to cover a passing relationship >>you >>could create your own event SHUP (shacked up with), HAFR (had an >>affair) >>where you would put "persons unknown" as the partner. With CFTW events >>are only limited by you own imagination ;-) >> >>Mike CALDER >>http://members.optusnet.com.au/mikecalder/ >> >> >>==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== >>To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: >> CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) >> CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) >>Subject: unsubscribe >>In the body include only one word: unsubscribe >>(Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) >> >>============================== >>Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >>Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >**********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** > -- Les

As the initiator of this thread, I am happy to report that my problem was solved by doing as Les suggested in his message sent: Mon 16/02/04 22:57 thus: (quote) Solution to problem: Tell CFT that they *are* married, but don't give a date or place, and then the "John and Sarah Smith were married" just goes away. THIS WORKED FOR ME. I think George missed my point thereafter in a couple of his messages when he suggested simply deleting the MARR event. Thus:- 2 Snips: Both from George but in separate messages: >I would delete the MARR event and make one that fit >the situation, OR just include the information in a Note, (sent: Tue 17/02/04 22:58 ) >It all depends on how you manage the database. Simply delete the >MARR event for that couple. (sent: Tue 17/02/04 23:07 ) If there had been a MARR event in the Edit Event window I could have done this easily enough and I certainly kept looking for one. The thing that threw me was that the program automatically inserts the phrase 'A and B were married' in the story line WITHOUT a MARR event being created. Anyway, I have the remedy now, so many thanks to all List contributors, its good to have such ready support. Malcolm ps. Being rained in, I have been busy using the '1837 Online' search site recently, made several 'hits' and have plenty of new data to key into CFT. Alright, it costs a bit but to my mind is very very handy.