Quoting CFT-WIN List Manager (GeorgeWDurman@comcast.net): It's time to stop this thread. It has nothing to do with the CFT-WIN Mailing List. Done. Technical problem solved on my side with a hack. I got no answer from rootsweb sysadmins and I don't expect one now. Back to cftw discussions. --

Sorry George you are absolutely right. My apologies to the list and to you. I had already made my posting when you sent yours but it was not my place to step in. Rosemary ----- Original Message ----- From: "CFT-WIN List Manager" <GeorgeWDurman@comcast.net> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [CFTW] (forw) Strange mail server setup at rootsweb.com > Rosemary, > > Isn't that EXACTLY what I said in my post? > > Just for anyone's information, it is the duty and privilege of the > manager of a Mailing List to tell anyone to "take a discussion > off-list". Your comment/complaint should have been addressed > to me personally, not to the List. > > Regards, > George W. Durman > List Manager > > > At 3/5/04 08:48 PM Friday, Rosemary Jorgenson wrote: > *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* > >Okay, then since it has nothing to do with this list and certainly is just > >uninteresting techno-babble that has nothing to do with the rest of us > >list > >members, could you please take this discussion off-list and deal directly > >with whomever will likely be able to resolve your problem. I think most of > >us have heard more about this issue now than is tolerable considering only > >you are affected. Thank you for your consideration of the rest of us by > >doing so. Good luck in your quest. > >Rosemary > >(snip) > **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** > > > -- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 7.0.225 / Virus Database: 262.2.1 - Release Date: 3/5/04 > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

If any subscriber is having problems posting and/or receiving List email, he/she should contact the List Manager, which in this case, happens to be me. Such complaints should NOT be sent to the entire List. If anyone does not know the address of the List Manager, all he/she has to do is look at the bottom of the posts for instructions. Technical problems with a List do not USUALLY concern all the List subscribers. "One-of-a-kind" problems of ONE user certainly do not belong here. If several users were to email me privately with the SAME problem, then "I" would bring up the subject on the List to see if others were having the same type of problem. END OF THREAD -- END OF SUBJECT Regards, George W. Durman List Manager At 3/6/04 01:16 PM Saturday, Ciarán Ó Duibhín wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >I don't think we can say it is nothing to do with this list when a posting >made to the list is not delivered. And we can't assume that others are >not >affected, when anyone affected would be unable to tell us, unless they >knew >enough to find a workaround. I wouldn't criticise someone for attempting >to >diagnose the technical cause of their own problem. We might also remember >that the posting that didn't get through originally was not a complaint, >but >a contribution to an existing thread. > >I agree that this should have been taken off-list earlier, when the >list-owner undertook to discuss it with RootsWeb. What has kept it going >on >the list is one intervention which addressed the problem and two which >didn't (make that three, now, with this message). > >Ciarán Ó Duibhín. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rosemary Jorgenson" <rpj@shaw.ca> >To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 1:48 AM >Subject: Re: [CFTW] (forw) Strange mail server setup at rootsweb.com > > > > Okay, then since it has nothing to do with this list and certainly is > just > > uninteresting techno-babble that has nothing to do with the rest of us >list > > members, could you please take this discussion off-list and deal > directly > > with whomever will likely be able to resolve your problem. I think most > of > > us have heard more about this issue now than is tolerable considering > only > > you are affected. Thank you for your consideration of the rest of us by > > doing so. Good luck in your quest. > > Rosemary > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Christian Perrier" <bubulle@kheops.frmug.org> > > To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 4:16 AM > > Subject: Re: [CFTW] (forw) Strange mail server setup at rootsweb.com > > > > > > > Quoting Ernie Drabble (ernie@drabblembe.freeserve.co.uk): > > > > > > > I echo George's earlier comments - as a member of this list and >having > > > > nothing whatsoever to do with it's excellent operation, I consider >such > > > > comments totally inappropriate and unjustified, particularly when > > describing > > > > someone who we do not know, but who does an excellent job for no > > > > remuneration. Over the past two years I have received nothing but >useful > > > > advice and help from both the Administrator and other members of > this > > list, > > > > and I for one am more than willing to support them wherever I can. > > > > > > THe problem is not the way this list is administered. The problem is > > > the way rootsweb servers are administered. > > > > > > Doing volunteer work does not prevent to be professionnal. The > choices > > > made for Rootsweb server (which seems to be refusing mail when > reverse > > > DNS lookup of the originating server is not operational) are very > well > > > known to be inappropriate choices, for lots of reasons, for instance > > > by all people who have (voluntarily) participated in setting up > > > Internet infrastructure in Africa, or some other so-called "merging" > > > countries (just try to do reverse DNS lookups with Centrafrica for > > > instance...). > > > > > > The current rootsweb server violates at least one RFC: RFC 2821 ("3.6 > > > Domains" and moreover "4.1.4 Order of Commands" which is very > > > clear). My own server does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > > > You can contact the List Manager at: > > > CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > > You can contact the List Manager at: > > CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > >==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) >Subject: unsubscribe >In the body include only one word: unsubscribe >(Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.225 / Virus Database: 262.2.1 - Release Date: 3/5/04

Rosemary, Isn't that EXACTLY what I said in my post? Just for anyone's information, it is the duty and privilege of the manager of a Mailing List to tell anyone to "take a discussion off-list". Your comment/complaint should have been addressed to me personally, not to the List. Regards, George W. Durman List Manager At 3/5/04 08:48 PM Friday, Rosemary Jorgenson wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Okay, then since it has nothing to do with this list and certainly is just >uninteresting techno-babble that has nothing to do with the rest of us >list >members, could you please take this discussion off-list and deal directly >with whomever will likely be able to resolve your problem. I think most of >us have heard more about this issue now than is tolerable considering only >you are affected. Thank you for your consideration of the rest of us by >doing so. Good luck in your quest. >Rosemary >(snip) **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.225 / Virus Database: 262.2.1 - Release Date: 3/5/04

I don't think we can say it is nothing to do with this list when a posting made to the list is not delivered. And we can't assume that others are not affected, when anyone affected would be unable to tell us, unless they knew enough to find a workaround. I wouldn't criticise someone for attempting to diagnose the technical cause of their own problem. We might also remember that the posting that didn't get through originally was not a complaint, but a contribution to an existing thread. I agree that this should have been taken off-list earlier, when the list-owner undertook to discuss it with RootsWeb. What has kept it going on the list is one intervention which addressed the problem and two which didn't (make that three, now, with this message). Ciarán Ó Duibhín. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemary Jorgenson" <rpj@shaw.ca> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [CFTW] (forw) Strange mail server setup at rootsweb.com > Okay, then since it has nothing to do with this list and certainly is just > uninteresting techno-babble that has nothing to do with the rest of us list > members, could you please take this discussion off-list and deal directly > with whomever will likely be able to resolve your problem. I think most of > us have heard more about this issue now than is tolerable considering only > you are affected. Thank you for your consideration of the rest of us by > doing so. Good luck in your quest. > Rosemary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christian Perrier" <bubulle@kheops.frmug.org> > To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 4:16 AM > Subject: Re: [CFTW] (forw) Strange mail server setup at rootsweb.com > > > > Quoting Ernie Drabble (ernie@drabblembe.freeserve.co.uk): > > > > > I echo George's earlier comments - as a member of this list and having > > > nothing whatsoever to do with it's excellent operation, I consider such > > > comments totally inappropriate and unjustified, particularly when > describing > > > someone who we do not know, but who does an excellent job for no > > > remuneration. Over the past two years I have received nothing but useful > > > advice and help from both the Administrator and other members of this > list, > > > and I for one am more than willing to support them wherever I can. > > > > THe problem is not the way this list is administered. The problem is > > the way rootsweb servers are administered. > > > > Doing volunteer work does not prevent to be professionnal. The choices > > made for Rootsweb server (which seems to be refusing mail when reverse > > DNS lookup of the originating server is not operational) are very well > > known to be inappropriate choices, for lots of reasons, for instance > > by all people who have (voluntarily) participated in setting up > > Internet infrastructure in Africa, or some other so-called "merging" > > countries (just try to do reverse DNS lookups with Centrafrica for > > instance...). > > > > The current rootsweb server violates at least one RFC: RFC 2821 ("3.6 > > Domains" and moreover "4.1.4 Order of Commands" which is very > > clear). My own server does not. > > > > > > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > > You can contact the List Manager at: > > CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Okay, then since it has nothing to do with this list and certainly is just uninteresting techno-babble that has nothing to do with the rest of us list members, could you please take this discussion off-list and deal directly with whomever will likely be able to resolve your problem. I think most of us have heard more about this issue now than is tolerable considering only you are affected. Thank you for your consideration of the rest of us by doing so. Good luck in your quest. Rosemary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Perrier" <bubulle@kheops.frmug.org> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 4:16 AM Subject: Re: [CFTW] (forw) Strange mail server setup at rootsweb.com > Quoting Ernie Drabble (ernie@drabblembe.freeserve.co.uk): > > > I echo George's earlier comments - as a member of this list and having > > nothing whatsoever to do with it's excellent operation, I consider such > > comments totally inappropriate and unjustified, particularly when describing > > someone who we do not know, but who does an excellent job for no > > remuneration. Over the past two years I have received nothing but useful > > advice and help from both the Administrator and other members of this list, > > and I for one am more than willing to support them wherever I can. > > THe problem is not the way this list is administered. The problem is > the way rootsweb servers are administered. > > Doing volunteer work does not prevent to be professionnal. The choices > made for Rootsweb server (which seems to be refusing mail when reverse > DNS lookup of the originating server is not operational) are very well > known to be inappropriate choices, for lots of reasons, for instance > by all people who have (voluntarily) participated in setting up > Internet infrastructure in Africa, or some other so-called "merging" > countries (just try to do reverse DNS lookups with Centrafrica for > instance...). > > The current rootsweb server violates at least one RFC: RFC 2821 ("3.6 > Domains" and moreover "4.1.4 Order of Commands" which is very > clear). My own server does not. > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

It's time to stop this thread. It has nothing to do with the CFT-WIN Mailing List. If anyone has problems with the servers at Rootsweb, contact me PERSONALLY and do not burden the other subscribers of the List with things they don't need. Thank you, SgtGeorge George W. Durman At 3/5/04 04:16 AM Friday, Christian Perrier wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Quoting Ernie Drabble (ernie@drabblembe.freeserve.co.uk): > > > I echo George's earlier comments - as a member of this list and having > > nothing whatsoever to do with it's excellent operation, I consider such > > comments totally inappropriate and unjustified, particularly when > describing > > someone who we do not know, but who does an excellent job for no > > remuneration. Over the past two years I have received nothing but > useful > > advice and help from both the Administrator and other members of this > list, > > and I for one am more than willing to support them wherever I can. > >THe problem is not the way this list is administered. The problem is >the way rootsweb servers are administered. > >Doing volunteer work does not prevent to be professionnal. The choices >made for Rootsweb server (which seems to be refusing mail when reverse >DNS lookup of the originating server is not operational) are very well >known to be inappropriate choices, for lots of reasons, for instance >by all people who have (voluntarily) participated in setting up >Internet infrastructure in Africa, or some other so-called "merging" >countries (just try to do reverse DNS lookups with Centrafrica for >instance...). > >The current rootsweb server violates at least one RFC: RFC 2821 ("3.6 >Domains" and moreover "4.1.4 Order of Commands" which is very >clear). My own server does not. > > > > >==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== >You can contact the List Manager at: >CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.225 / Virus Database: 262.2.1 - Release Date: 3/5/04

Quoting Ernie Drabble (ernie@drabblembe.freeserve.co.uk): > I echo George's earlier comments - as a member of this list and having > nothing whatsoever to do with it's excellent operation, I consider such > comments totally inappropriate and unjustified, particularly when describing > someone who we do not know, but who does an excellent job for no > remuneration. Over the past two years I have received nothing but useful > advice and help from both the Administrator and other members of this list, > and I for one am more than willing to support them wherever I can. THe problem is not the way this list is administered. The problem is the way rootsweb servers are administered. Doing volunteer work does not prevent to be professionnal. The choices made for Rootsweb server (which seems to be refusing mail when reverse DNS lookup of the originating server is not operational) are very well known to be inappropriate choices, for lots of reasons, for instance by all people who have (voluntarily) participated in setting up Internet infrastructure in Africa, or some other so-called "merging" countries (just try to do reverse DNS lookups with Centrafrica for instance...). The current rootsweb server violates at least one RFC: RFC 2821 ("3.6 Domains" and moreover "4.1.4 Order of Commands" which is very clear). My own server does not.

Christian I echo George's earlier comments - as a member of this list and having nothing whatsoever to do with it's excellent operation, I consider such comments totally inappropriate and unjustified, particularly when describing someone who we do not know, but who does an excellent job for no remuneration. Over the past two years I have received nothing but useful advice and help from both the Administrator and other members of this list, and I for one am more than willing to support them wherever I can. Rick (where the SMTP servers administrators are anything but clueless > system administrators).

Quoting Hans de Haan (hans.dehaan@solcon.nl): > In order to reduce spam some ISPs are in the proces of closing port 25, > which prevents sending email to an email-server which is other than the ISPs > own. > ISPs have warned the market for this action since august 2003. For sure, when you close port 25, you don't receive spam...:-) ISP's port 25 is not closed, it just refuses to relay mail originating from places different than the ISP clients. *That* is a good anti-spam measure. And it started way before 8/2003, at least here.... Please read again my mail. It never mentions that I was refused to relay mail. Rootsweb refused the mail because it assert that "I should use my ISP SMTP server". I guess they do a DNS reverted lookup on my server IP address and check the domain name of my SMTP server. This is insane. There are lots of cases where people do not have revert DNS resolution working when sending out mail. Or using their own SMTP server. For instance, 3/4 of mail servers in Africa do not have complete operational DNS resolution due to the poor quality and relialability of the infrastructure there. Should they be prevented to send mail? *I use my own mail server*. On my system. This mail server relays all mail I send from the various mail addresses I use daily, including my mail in the Debian Project. Rootsweb is the one and only SMTP server which has ever bounced my mail back with a 550 error and such insane message. So, no, the problem is not on my side, it is on Rootsweb side. Definitely. I had again a mail bounced yesterday because I used this path. This mail I'm currently writing won't be bounced because I will send it through my work SMTP server... Again, the cft-win list is the one and only list where such problem happen. No problem on any other list, including all Debian Project lists (where the SMTP servers administrators are anything but clueless system administrators).

(continued from Part 1) 4) ANTI-VIRUS (AV) PROGRAMS: AV programs are the only programs that give you FULL protection against infected email and infected email attachments. Other security programs such as Firewalls, AdBlockers, and CookieBlockers help, but can't do all that AV programs can do. There are some things you must know about AV programs that are essential if you really want protection against viruses, worms, trojans, etc. a) First, you must have an AV program installed; b) The program itself must be kept updated with the latest engines; c) It must be kept updated with the latest Virus Definition files. d) It should be configured to automatically check every email and file you download; e) It need NOT be configured to automatically check every file the computer uses, since that eats up computer resources and really slows down the system; but, if you don't let it do this automatically, you MUST run scans on your system regularly, whether automated or manual; f) It need NOT be configured to automatically scan your system at selected intervals; but, you MUST run manual scans at regular intervals, preferably 2 or 3 times a week; g) Even if you have your AV program configured to check all incoming email and file downloads, you STILL need to run scans on your system regularly; infections DO slip through; further, you might download a virus/worm/trojan that was just released, and one for which the AV programers haven't released updated virus definition files; running regular scans ensures that your AV program will catch any infections that were missed. Even if you have an AV program installed, if you omit b) or c) above, you might as well use chicken bones and garlic and voodoo to ward off infections of your computer system. Most all good AV programs allow automatic updating. I suggest you USE automatic updating, especially now that these new infections are coming out almost daily, and some times more than one a day. And, even if using automatic updating, you should manually check a couple times a day until this latest epidemic slows down. Finally, on this subject, if you don't let the AV program automatically scan at selected intervals, you MUST run manual scans. I use AVG Pro as my AV program. I had it set to automatically updates every day at noon. From 1:30 AM Tuesday morning, until 12:00 Noon today (Wednesday) AVG released 5 virus updates !!!!! Only two of the updates were downloaded and installed automatically since I had AVG set to look only once a day. The other three were acquired by my manual checking. I have since added five more daily automatic checks! After adding the additional upgrade checks, I had one set for 12:00 Midnight; I didn't finish this post soon after I started it and came back to it at 2:00 AM; AVG Pro had checked at Midnight; I just did a manual check and another virus definition upgrade was released sometime between Midnight and 2:00 AM. Folks, there is a reason the AV companies are putting out virus definition updates so fast and furiously! New viruses/worms/trojans, or new variants of them, are being released every few hours now !!!!! I would suggest you configure your AV program to check for updates every 4 hours. I hope it doesn't get so bad we have to check every hour, or every half-hour. There is a free AVG program and an AVG Pro that costs $33.30. Both can be found at: <http://www.grisoft.com>. 5) CHECKING THE SECURITY OF YOUR SYSTEM: In addition to all the above, there is one more thing you can do to check the security of your system. Steve Gibson, of Gibson Research Corporation (GRC), has a website where you can check your system security. And, it's FREE. Go to: <http://www.grc.com/default.html> to read about the latest vulnerabilities of computer systems and to download some small (free) utilities to check your system. But, while you're at Steve's website, be sure to run the online tests he has available. At the main page, scroll down and click on "Shields Up", then follow the directions. At each page be sure to continue to the bottom and read all Steve has to say. There are some valuable tips there. a) First click on "File Sharing"; many (most?) of you will find that your system is NOT protected; Steve's "file-sharing) test attempts to contact the Hidden Internet Server within your PC. It is likely that no one has told you that your own personal computer may now be functioning as an Internet Server with neither your knowledge nor your permission. And that it may be serving up all or many of your personal files for reading, writing, modification and even deletion by anyone, anywhere, on the Internet! If you fail this test, Steve will recommend actions you can take to fix this security problem. b) Next, click on "Common Ports". This Internet Common Ports Probe attempts to establish standard TCP Internet connections with a collection of standard, well-known, and often vulnerable or troublesome Internet ports on YOUR computer. Since this is being done from our server, successful connections demonstrate which of your ports are "open" or visible and soliciting connections from passing Internet port scanners. If your system is properly protected, the probe should find NO ports vulnerable to Internet hackers or scanners. c) Next, click on "All Service Ports". This probe does the same thing as b) above, but checks an additional 1056 ports. It should find NO vulnerable ports. d) Next, click on "Messenger Spam". This will test whether your system is protected from unsolicited messages when you are using Microsoft Messenger. You have to have Messenger running when you do this test. If you are NOT protected, you will see the unsolicited messages pop up on your screen. e) Next, click "Browser Headers". Read all the instructions and then run the test. f) There are a number of free utilities you can download and run to finish checking out your system's security: "UnPlug n' Pray" "DCOMbobulator" "Shoot The Messenger" "ID Serve" (great for finding out the numerical value of a web server, e.g., www.rootsweb.com = 66.43.18.22.) "Wizmo" (lots of little free gadgets) "Leak Test" (Personal firewall leakage tester.) "XPdite" (Crucial Windows XP Vulnerability Fixer.) "SocketLock" (Disable WinXP and 2000 raw sockets.) "SocketToMe" (Check your Windows OS for raw sockets.) "FIX-CIH Virus Recovery" (Total recovery from CIH virus damage. Every April, the CIH virus resurfaces and wipes out thousands of hard disk drives by deliberately zeroing their partition, boot, and FAT tables. The first time this happened I wrote this complete post-CIH hard drive recovery utility.) "NoShare" (Quick and simple NetBIOS disabler. When the ShieldsUP! system was first created, I had not discovered how to safely "rebind" network transports as a means for closing the NetBIOS TCP/IP vulnerabilities. So I wrote the LetShare & NoShare utilities to do this quickly and easily (although in a non-standard fashion). Today, the manual rebinding described on the ShieldsUP! pages is the preferred method. LetShare & NoShare still work and can be useful for allowing quick NetBIOS on/off testing. "Trouble In Paradise (TIP)" (Check Iomega drive operation.) I hope all this information will help you keep your Windows system secure. If you have any questions, please do not reply back here to the Lists. Instead, email me privately at mailto:georgewdurman@comcast.net. Regards, SgtGeorge George W. Durman -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.225 / Virus Database: 262.1.4 - Release Date: 3/3/04

I don't mean to run this subject into the ground, but, since sending the past few notices about the latest virus threats, I've seen some replies that might indicate some users don't really understand about computer security problems and how to protect against them. Therefore, I'm going to give a short tutorial on the subject and hope that the information may keep more of you from becoming infected. There are several things I need to talk about here, so will just list them in categories. Actual info on Anti-Virus programs will be last. (I will recommend programs in each of the categories. Keep in mind that I'm only going to talk about the programs I use -- there are others, some not as good, and some as good. I endorse no product; I'm just going to tell you about the ones I use or have used in the past.) 1) FIREWALLS: A firewall is a computer program that blocks objectionable content while shielding the system from hackers, worms, and other threats. A good firewall will prevent individuals, other computers, and servers from entering your system via the Internet; it will also prevent YOUR computer from sending out information to others, from programs or utilities on your computer, such as "Call-Home" programs or other "Spy Ware". (More on spyware, and how to find and delete it, below.) Without a firewall, your system is open to others who can gain access via Internet connections, regardless of the type of connection. Without a good firewall, people can enter your system and steal files, plant trojans or worms, and even corrupt or erase your files. YOU ARE NOT PROTECTED AGAINST UNWANTED ACCESS TO YOUR COMPUTER VIA INTERNET CONNECTIONS BY ANY ANTI-VIRUS (AV) PROGRAM !!!!! You must have a firewall! If you have a cable connection, you are online 24/7; your computer is directly connected to the Internet at ALL times! Those who use a good firewall can attest to the dozens (sometimes hundreds) of intrusion attempts daily. I'm not going to count them, but just now looking at ZoneAlarm Pro, the firewall I use, I can see that my system has been queried (attempted entries) several HUNDRED times since midnight last night (about 18 hours ago) !!!!! Most are rated "Medium" risks, but there have been several dozen rated "High". All were stopped! If you use DSL or ordinary dialup connections, don't think you aren't at risk, or do not need a firewall. There are hackers out there who have set up automated programs on their servers to roam the Internet looking for open connections. These auto-bots can find your dialup connections in a matter of micro-seconds; and it doesn't take very long for them to do whatever they were programmed to do. EVERYONE NEEDS A GOOD FIREWALL !!! I use ZoneAlarm Pro (ZA Pro). It is rated by some security experts as the best protection you can get. There are other programs that some claim are just as good, and you can find them on the Web by doing a search for "Firewall". The regular ZoneAlarm (ZA) is free. The Pro version costs $49.95 and gives added protection for email, attachments, etc. It's up to you how much protection you want. Either program can be downloaded at: <http://www.zonelabs.com>. 2) SPYWARE FINDERS AND REMOVERS: It has been estimated that 75-80% of all home computer users have one or more "SpyWare" programs on their computers. Many users, running spyware finder programs, find literally HUNDREDS of spyware gremlins on their systems. Most of this spyware is not damaging to your SYSTEM, but can be very harmful to YOU by sending personal information to others, such as Social Security Numbers, email addresses, user IDs, usernames, passwords, your Web browsing habits, the files you have on your system, etc. If you don't use a firewall, you have no control over this spyware. It will send information without you knowing about it. So, the safest way to avoid spyware problems is to find the programs that have spyware and eliminate them. To find spyware finders and removers, do a search on the Web for "Spyware Program". I use two such detection programs, "Ad-Aware Plus" and "Spybot Search & Destroy". They do similar things, but you really need both of them. Each will catch some spyware the other misses. Between the two, you can remove all spyware from your system. Ad-Aware comes in a free basic version. The Plus version costs $26.95. Either can be found at: <http://www.lavasoft.de/>. Just because it's named "Ad-Aware" don't think it finds only Ad programs; it finds ANY spyware on your system. Spybot Search & Destroy is free. There are no paid-for versions. It can be found at: <http://safer-networking.org/>. It will also find malware, hijackers, dialers, keyloggers, trojans, etc. 3) AD & COOKIE BLOCKING PROGRAMS: There are dozens and dozens of these programs available. To find them all do a Web search for "Ad Blocker" or "Cookie Blocker". MS Internet Explorer and other web browsers have their own internal ad and cookie blockers, but they don't do as complete a job as good stand-alone programs. I use AdSubtract Pro, which will block all online ads & cookies. It blocks banner ads, Pop-Up and Pop-Under ads, text ads, and multimedia ads. It also silences Web site sounds and other bothersome multimedia animation. You can use "intelligent blocking" to enable InterMute's SmartPOP technology or "aggressive blocking" to prevent any Pop-Ups from appearing. The Pro version costs $29.95. There is a trial version which you can use free for 30 days, but it doesn't have all the blocking abilities that the Pro version has. You can find both versions at: <http://www.intermute.com/adsubtract/>. (The previous major version of AdSubtract had a free version. It is no longer available at the website, but I'm sure it can be found on the web. Lots of people probably still have the installation files for it sitting on their hard drives.) (continued in Part 2) Regards, SgtGeorge George W. Durman -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.225 / Virus Database: 262.1.4 - Release Date: 3/3/04

In order to reduce spam some ISPs are in the proces of closing port 25, which prevents sending email to an email-server which is other than the ISPs own. ISPs have warned the market for this action since august 2003. Furthermore some ISPs have earlier closed down already the possibility to retrieve mail from mailboxes not being part of the ISP one is connected to. This is usually done by ISPs offering a free service. regards, Hans de Haan Apeldoorn, The Netherlands -------Original Message------- From: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Date: woensdag 3 maart 2004 20:18:50 To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CFTW] (forw) Strange mail server setup at rootsweb.com You may be correct, but yours is the ONLY such "refusal" that I've seen for the thousands of users on the many Lists I manage. Not trying to place any blame, but that would seem to me to indicate that Rootsweb was having problems with only your server. At least, to date there haven't been any such problems with the many, many different ISPs that all our subscribers use. Hopefully, there won't be any either. If you don't mind, please try to send from the problem address again and let's see if it bounces again. If so, I will personally contact the appropriate person at Rootsweb to see what is causing the problem. Regards, George W. Durman At 3/3/04 12:13 PM Wednesday, Christian Perrier wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Quoting CFT-WIN List Manager (GeorgeWDurman@comcast.net): > > > It looks to me as if Rootsweb bounced back your post to > > your server because of a problem between the two servers > > communicating. No telling which server was at fault from > > the info in the bounce. > >Oh que si. The bounce message is particularly clear. > >Rootsweb server refuses my own SMTP server to send the mail because >"Please use your ISP's SMTP server". > >Rootsweb server makes incorrect assumptions for authorizing or not >distant SMTP server to send mail to it. > >This is why I affirm that its setup is wrong. Administering mail >servers is part of my job. Unfortunately, in these days where spam is >increasingly a problem, we more than often see mail administrators >putting some completely broken schemes fro trying to protect >themselves from spam. > >This is the case for rootsweb, from what I can see. > >Such setup will for sure drop lots of mails originating from perfectly >valid subscribers of rootsweb lists. > >This is why I consider this important enough for jumping on the >problem as quickly as possible.... **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.225 / Virus Database: 262.1.3 - Release Date: 3/3/04 ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 .

Excellent response, George! Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "CFT-WIN List Manager" <GeorgeWDurman@comcast.net> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [CFTW] (forw) Strange mail server setup at rootsweb.com > Now, now, Christian. Let's not get so upset over one little > glitch in the system. If you get only one such problem in a > day, you're extremely lucky. As to placing blame, let's not > go there on this Mailing List. Rootsweb gives us FREE > Mailing Lists and we shouldn't get so riled up at one such > problem, even if it were the Rootsweb server's fault. > > It looks to me as if Rootsweb bounced back your post to > your server because of a problem between the two servers > communicating. No telling which server was at fault from > the info in the bounce. > > If this had happened many times between your server > and Rootsweb, and between no others, then it would be > a matter of someone at either your server or at Rootsweb > trying to diagnose the problem. Patience is the key. And, > let's watch the language. Remember, these Lists are used > by people of all convictions and some don't appreciate > bad language. > > Regards, > George W. Durman > CFT-WIN Mailing List Manager > > > At 3/3/04 01:48 AM Wednesday, Christian Perrier wrote: > *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* > > >What is the silly mail server setup ? > > > >I sent yesterday a mail to the cft-win-l mailing list (see > >below). This mail was sent by my own mail server (kheops.homeunix.org) > >to the rootsweb mail server by properly using the SMTP protocol with > >kheops.homeunix.org Postfix software. > > > >How the hell is the rootsweb.com SMTP server setup ? I suspect a > >tentative "anti-spam" setup...done a bit too quickly. > > > >Why this 550 error ? > > > >This mail will be sent through another mail server. It will hopefully > >reach the list. > > > >----- Forwarded message from Mail Delivery System > ><MAILER-DAEMON@kheops.homeunix.org> ----- > > > >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 19:25:00 +0100 (CET) > >From: Mail Delivery System <MAILER-DAEMON@kheops.homeunix.org> > >Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender > >To: bubulle@kheops.frmug.org > > > >Content-Description: Notification > >This is the Postfix program at host kheops.homeunix.org. > > > >I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned > >below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. > > > >For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster> > > > >If you do so, please include this problem report. You can > >delete your own text from the message returned below. > > > > The Postfix program > > > ><CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com>: host mail.rootsweb.com[66.43.18.34] said: 550 > >5.0.0 > > <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com>... Please use your ISP's SMTP server or > > contact > > postmaster@rootsweb.com > > > >Content-Description: Delivery error report > >Reporting-MTA: dns; kheops.homeunix.org > >Arrival-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 19:24:52 +0100 (CET) > > > >Final-Recipient: rfc822; CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com > >Action: failed > >Status: 5.0.0 > >Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; host mail.rootsweb.com[66.43.18.34] said: 550 > >5.0.0 > > <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com>... Please use your ISP's SMTP server or > > contact > > postmaster@rootsweb.com > > > >Content-Description: Undelivered Message > >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:45:29 +0100 > >From: Christian Perrier <bubulle@kheops.frmug.org> > >To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [CFTW] Linux and Cumberland FT > > > >Quoting Dr Gwyneth Daniel (gwyneth.daniel@ntlworld.com): > > > > > Or is this a forlorn hope? > > > >This is. Given the development language used for CFTW programming, > >there is imho absolutely no chance to see a Linux version some day, > >except maybe when MS Windows will have disappeared..:-) > > > >Ira mentioned several times having absolutely no plan for anything > >else than a Windows version. > > > >I would suggest you to give a try to Gramps..... > > > >(though I will myself continue to use CFTW as the one and latest > >software which sticks me to the Blue Screen Generator) > > > > > > > > > >----- End forwarded message ----- > > > >-- > > > > > > > >==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > >To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > > CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > > CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > >Subject: unsubscribe > >In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > >(Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > > >============================== > >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** > > > -- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 7.0.225 / Virus Database: 262.1.3 - Release Date: 3/3/04 > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

You may be correct, but yours is the ONLY such "refusal" that I've seen for the thousands of users on the many Lists I manage. Not trying to place any blame, but that would seem to me to indicate that Rootsweb was having problems with only your server. At least, to date there haven't been any such problems with the many, many different ISPs that all our subscribers use. Hopefully, there won't be any either. If you don't mind, please try to send from the problem address again and let's see if it bounces again. If so, I will personally contact the appropriate person at Rootsweb to see what is causing the problem. Regards, George W. Durman At 3/3/04 12:13 PM Wednesday, Christian Perrier wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Quoting CFT-WIN List Manager (GeorgeWDurman@comcast.net): > > > It looks to me as if Rootsweb bounced back your post to > > your server because of a problem between the two servers > > communicating. No telling which server was at fault from > > the info in the bounce. > >Oh que si. The bounce message is particularly clear. > >Rootsweb server refuses my own SMTP server to send the mail because >"Please use your ISP's SMTP server". > >Rootsweb server makes incorrect assumptions for authorizing or not >distant SMTP server to send mail to it. > >This is why I affirm that its setup is wrong. Administering mail >servers is part of my job. Unfortunately, in these days where spam is >increasingly a problem, we more than often see mail administrators >putting some completely broken schemes fro trying to protect >themselves from spam. > >This is the case for rootsweb, from what I can see. > >Such setup will for sure drop lots of mails originating from perfectly >valid subscribers of rootsweb lists. > >This is why I consider this important enough for jumping on the >problem as quickly as possible.... **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.225 / Virus Database: 262.1.3 - Release Date: 3/3/04

Correction to previous notice: It is not the Netsky.D virus. It is W32.Beagle/W32.Bagle (.H or .I). Sorry about the misinformation. I was only passing on what had been posted on the Listowners Mailing List. Doesn't really matter though, since this new infection is spreading like wildfire. The AV people estimate the chances of receiving an email with the infection is about 1:19. So, if you receive 190 emails daily, you might receive 10 infected messages. SgtGeorge ********************************************** (Please do not reply to this notice here on the Mailing Lists. If you must discuss it, contact the manager of the List.) Have any of you been receiving the latest Netsky.D infection? It's been hitting hard and heavy. I've seen quite a few posts on other Mailing Lists about it and McAfee wasn't catching it. Neither were AOL's AV software or any other server's software. BUT..... my AVG Pro DID catch it! Hooray! (AVG Pro has been updated 5 times in the past 32 hours!) FOR YAHOO EMAIL USERS (and probably others): Netsky.D is faking emails from Yahoo about users' accounts. Here is what the fake email looks like: ********************************************** Dear user of Yahoo.com, Your e-mail account will be disabled because of improper using in next three days, if you are still wishing to use it, please, resign your account information. For details see the attached file. Attached file protected with the password for security reasons. Password is 66482. The Management, The Yahoo.com team http://www.yahoo.com Attachment TextDocument.zip .zip file Scan and Download Attachment Scan and Save to my Yahoo! Briefcase ********************************************** DO NOT OPEN THE SUPPOSED TEXTDOCUMENT.ZIP !!!!! It is the Netsky.D virus!!!!! If you open it, you are infected immediately. Netsky.D will probably be sending itself purporting to be from other email services. Do not click on the attachment! Do not do ANYTHING with the email except delete it. If your Anti- Virus program is working AND has been updated during the past few hours, the AV program probably caught it. As of this morning McAfee hadn't updated virus definitions for it. They probably have by now. Regards, SgtGeorge -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.225 / Virus Database: 262.1.3 - Release Date: 3/3/04

(Please do not reply to this notice here on the Mailing Lists. If you must discuss it, contact the manager of the List.) Have any of you been receiving the latest Netsky.D infection? It's been hitting hard and heavy. I've seen quite a few posts on other Mailing Lists about it and McAfee wasn't catching it. Neither were AOL's AV software or any other server's software. BUT..... my AVG Pro DID catch it! Hooray! (AVG Pro has been updated 5 times in the past 32 hours!) FOR YAHOO EMAIL USERS (and probably others): Netsky.D is faking emails from Yahoo about users' accounts. Here is what the fake email looks like: ********************************************** Dear user of Yahoo.com, Your e-mail account will be disabled because of improper using in next three days, if you are still wishing to use it, please, resign your account information. For details see the attached file. Attached file protected with the password for security reasons. Password is 66482. The Management, The Yahoo.com team http://www.yahoo.com Attachment TextDocument.zip .zip file Scan and Download Attachment Scan and Save to my Yahoo! Briefcase ********************************************** DO NOT OPEN THE SUPPOSED TEXTDOCUMENT.ZIP !!!!! It is the Netsky.D virus!!!!! If you open it, you are infected immediately. Netsky.D will probably be sending itself purporting to be from other email services. Do not click on the attachment! Do not do ANYTHING with the email except delete it. If your Anti- Virus program is working AND has been updated during the past few hours, the AV program probably caught it. As of this morning McAfee hadn't updated virus definitions for it. They probably have by now. Regards, SgtGeorge -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.225 / Virus Database: 262.1.3 - Release Date: 3/3/04

Now, now, Christian. Let's not get so upset over one little glitch in the system. If you get only one such problem in a day, you're extremely lucky. As to placing blame, let's not go there on this Mailing List. Rootsweb gives us FREE Mailing Lists and we shouldn't get so riled up at one such problem, even if it were the Rootsweb server's fault. It looks to me as if Rootsweb bounced back your post to your server because of a problem between the two servers communicating. No telling which server was at fault from the info in the bounce. If this had happened many times between your server and Rootsweb, and between no others, then it would be a matter of someone at either your server or at Rootsweb trying to diagnose the problem. Patience is the key. And, let's watch the language. Remember, these Lists are used by people of all convictions and some don't appreciate bad language. Regards, George W. Durman CFT-WIN Mailing List Manager At 3/3/04 01:48 AM Wednesday, Christian Perrier wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >What is the silly mail server setup ? > >I sent yesterday a mail to the cft-win-l mailing list (see >below). This mail was sent by my own mail server (kheops.homeunix.org) >to the rootsweb mail server by properly using the SMTP protocol with >kheops.homeunix.org Postfix software. > >How the hell is the rootsweb.com SMTP server setup ? I suspect a >tentative "anti-spam" setup...done a bit too quickly. > >Why this 550 error ? > >This mail will be sent through another mail server. It will hopefully >reach the list. > >----- Forwarded message from Mail Delivery System ><MAILER-DAEMON@kheops.homeunix.org> ----- > >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 19:25:00 +0100 (CET) >From: Mail Delivery System <MAILER-DAEMON@kheops.homeunix.org> >Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender >To: bubulle@kheops.frmug.org > >Content-Description: Notification >This is the Postfix program at host kheops.homeunix.org. > >I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned >below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. > >For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster> > >If you do so, please include this problem report. You can >delete your own text from the message returned below. > > The Postfix program > ><CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com>: host mail.rootsweb.com[66.43.18.34] said: 550 >5.0.0 > <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com>... Please use your ISP's SMTP server or > contact > postmaster@rootsweb.com > >Content-Description: Delivery error report >Reporting-MTA: dns; kheops.homeunix.org >Arrival-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 19:24:52 +0100 (CET) > >Final-Recipient: rfc822; CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com >Action: failed >Status: 5.0.0 >Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; host mail.rootsweb.com[66.43.18.34] said: 550 >5.0.0 > <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com>... Please use your ISP's SMTP server or > contact > postmaster@rootsweb.com > >Content-Description: Undelivered Message >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:45:29 +0100 >From: Christian Perrier <bubulle@kheops.frmug.org> >To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CFTW] Linux and Cumberland FT > >Quoting Dr Gwyneth Daniel (gwyneth.daniel@ntlworld.com): > > > Or is this a forlorn hope? > >This is. Given the development language used for CFTW programming, >there is imho absolutely no chance to see a Linux version some day, >except maybe when MS Windows will have disappeared..:-) > >Ira mentioned several times having absolutely no plan for anything >else than a Windows version. > >I would suggest you to give a try to Gramps..... > >(though I will myself continue to use CFTW as the one and latest >software which sticks me to the Blue Screen Generator) > > > > >----- End forwarded message ----- > >-- > > > >==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) >Subject: unsubscribe >In the body include only one word: unsubscribe >(Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.225 / Virus Database: 262.1.3 - Release Date: 3/3/04

What is the silly mail server setup ? I sent yesterday a mail to the cft-win-l mailing list (see below). This mail was sent by my own mail server (kheops.homeunix.org) to the rootsweb mail server by properly using the SMTP protocol with kheops.homeunix.org Postfix software. How the hell is the rootsweb.com SMTP server setup ? I suspect a tentative "anti-spam" setup...done a bit too quickly. Why this 550 error ? This mail will be sent through another mail server. It will hopefully reach the list. ----- Forwarded message from Mail Delivery System <MAILER-DAEMON@kheops.homeunix.org> ----- Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 19:25:00 +0100 (CET) From: Mail Delivery System <MAILER-DAEMON@kheops.homeunix.org> Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender To: bubulle@kheops.frmug.org Content-Description: Notification This is the Postfix program at host kheops.homeunix.org. I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the message returned below. The Postfix program <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com>: host mail.rootsweb.com[66.43.18.34] said: 550 5.0.0 <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com>... Please use your ISP's SMTP server or contact postmaster@rootsweb.com Content-Description: Delivery error report Reporting-MTA: dns; kheops.homeunix.org Arrival-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 19:24:52 +0100 (CET) Final-Recipient: rfc822; CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; host mail.rootsweb.com[66.43.18.34] said: 550 5.0.0 <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com>... Please use your ISP's SMTP server or contact postmaster@rootsweb.com Content-Description: Undelivered Message Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:45:29 +0100 From: Christian Perrier <bubulle@kheops.frmug.org> To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CFTW] Linux and Cumberland FT Quoting Dr Gwyneth Daniel (gwyneth.daniel@ntlworld.com): > Or is this a forlorn hope? This is. Given the development language used for CFTW programming, there is imho absolutely no chance to see a Linux version some day, except maybe when MS Windows will have disappeared..:-) Ira mentioned several times having absolutely no plan for anything else than a Windows version. I would suggest you to give a try to Gramps..... (though I will myself continue to use CFTW as the one and latest software which sticks me to the Blue Screen Generator) ----- End forwarded message ----- --

Hi Vic That is certainly a long URL thanks for it. Unfortunately it does not show any of the places That I am looking for, but it might be useful in the future. Funny Google did not find it? Ian Westergaard In Cloudy & Cool Central Otago New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vic Schneider" <niceguytoo45@hotmail.com> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 7:07 PM Subject: RE: [CFTW] Map of Brazil > Hi Ian, > > Have you tried www.mapquest.com? > > Here's a map of part of Brazil. You can copy and paste this in the address > line. Once you get the map, you can click on the arrows on the top, bottom > or sides to show more on the North, South, East or West. Hope that this > helps you. (the three lines are all one address). > > http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?location=AEa1NHWcOcBs2LSeXitOdrhQeNH6yg%2fCFU%2b6iNthCqyyS326w3N1Eo11sIQnWBp2iSG%2bhSE0NR4%3d&address=&city=Brasila&state=&country=BR&addtohistory=&submit=Get%20Map > > Vic > ****************************************************************** > > >From: "Ian Westergaard" <ian.westergaard@ihug.co.nz> > >Reply-To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [CFTW] Map of Brazil > >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 07:41:25 +1300 > > > >I know that this is off topic but I think there is a Brazilian subscriber > >to > >this list who might be able to help me. > > > >I am translating the 1850 diary (from Danish) of my gg uncle. > > > >He is in Brazil, first at Bahia and then Maceio and finally Rio de Janeiro > >before moving on to Valparaiso. > > > >The diary mentions many small towns which I can't find in my atlas. Is > >there > >a detailed on-line map of the areas that I am interested in? I have been > >unable to find one. > > > >If someone can help me please reply off list. > > > >Ian Westergaard > >In Cloudy & Cool Central Otago > >New Zealand