When preceding a place name like "of Youngstown, Ohio" it means the person lived in that area at one time in their life, but it does not necessarily mean they were born there, as this is normally placed in a birth place field. The extra commas are a product of other programs (PAF usually) - but I don't care for them and if I ever copy info from the web into my database I edit out all the commas and spell states out all the way. I try to keep my data looking clean. I even lower case the "Of" to "of" as I think it looks better and remove commas that often follow the "of". Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com Web: http://www.cf-software.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Hoffman" <ronhoffman@yahoo.com> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 11:02 AM Subject: RE: [CFTW] "Of" > > I have noticed that some people use "Of Youngstown, OH" or "Of London, > England" instead of "Youngstown, OH" or "London, England." It appears that > these have the same meaning, but obviously the sort in the Place Name > Editor does not work. > > I also often see. ", , , OH" instead of "OH" indicating missing City, > Twp., Co., entries. Is there an advantage to this or a GEDCOM convention > that works off these commas? > > > Ronald H. Hoffman > 1345 Race St. > Denver, CO 80206 > ronhoffman@yahoo.com > home: 303-316-9303 > cell: 720-989-6747 > http://center.spoke.com/profiles/RonaldHoffman > ____________________________________ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ira J Lund [mailto:ira.lund@cf-software.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 6:23 AM > To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CFTW] "Of" > > > I little uncertain as to your meaning. Can you give an example? > > Ira > ------------------------------------------------ > Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software > E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com Web: http://www.cf-software.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Hoffman" <ronhoffman@yahoo.com> > To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 1:28 AM > Subject: [CFTW] "Of" > > > > > > I am seeing some locations listed as "of" LOCATION. > > > > Is there a special meaning to this, or can I list it as "LOCATION?" > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > Ronald H. Hoffman > > 1345 Race St. > > Denver, CO 80206 > > ronhoffman@yahoo.com > > home: 303-316-9303 > > cell: 720-989-6747 > > http://center.spoke.com/profiles/RonaldHoffman > > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > > CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > > CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > > Subject: unsubscribe > > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > >

I have noticed that some people use "Of Youngstown, OH" or "Of London, England" instead of "Youngstown, OH" or "London, England." It appears that these have the same meaning, but obviously the sort in the Place Name Editor does not work. I also often see. ", , , OH" instead of "OH" indicating missing City, Twp., Co., entries. Is there an advantage to this or a GEDCOM convention that works off these commas? Ronald H. Hoffman 1345 Race St. Denver, CO 80206 ronhoffman@yahoo.com home: 303-316-9303 cell: 720-989-6747 http://center.spoke.com/profiles/RonaldHoffman ____________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Ira J Lund [mailto:ira.lund@cf-software.com] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 6:23 AM To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CFTW] "Of" I little uncertain as to your meaning. Can you give an example? Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com Web: http://www.cf-software.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Hoffman" <ronhoffman@yahoo.com> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 1:28 AM Subject: [CFTW] "Of" > > I am seeing some locations listed as "of" LOCATION. > > Is there a special meaning to this, or can I list it as "LOCATION?" > > > Ron > > > Ronald H. Hoffman > 1345 Race St. > Denver, CO 80206 > ronhoffman@yahoo.com > home: 303-316-9303 > cell: 720-989-6747 > http://center.spoke.com/profiles/RonaldHoffman > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

I little uncertain as to your meaning. Can you give an example? Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com Web: http://www.cf-software.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Hoffman" <ronhoffman@yahoo.com> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 1:28 AM Subject: [CFTW] "Of" > > I am seeing some locations listed as "of" LOCATION. > > Is there a special meaning to this, or can I list it as "LOCATION?" > > > Ron > > > Ronald H. Hoffman > 1345 Race St. > Denver, CO 80206 > ronhoffman@yahoo.com > home: 303-316-9303 > cell: 720-989-6747 > http://center.spoke.com/profiles/RonaldHoffman > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > >

I am seeing some locations listed as "of" LOCATION. Is there a special meaning to this, or can I list it as "LOCATION?" Ron Ronald H. Hoffman 1345 Race St. Denver, CO 80206 ronhoffman@yahoo.com home: 303-316-9303 cell: 720-989-6747 http://center.spoke.com/profiles/RonaldHoffman

Don't know why I am receiving mail from this URL. Can I be removed from this list???

G'day , > What are YOU talking about, Andy? I THINK he means send the ZIP file to the person (to Ira). Mike CALDER EMAIL: mikecalder@optusnet.com.au WEB: http://members.optusnet.com.au/mikecalder/

Ira, I think I figured it out this morning. Last week, I started to do a merge, and then was distracted. I think the file I sent you was the new file ready to be the final file of the merge. I am sorry for the false alarm, but I think my data is intact in the pre-merge version. Sharing this with the group in case someone else out there ever has this happen. My apologies to the group for this distraction, but CFT remains a great package. Ron Ronald H. Hoffman 1345 Race St. Denver, CO 80206 ronhoffman@yahoo.com home: 303-316-9303 cell: 720-989-6747 http://center.spoke.com/profiles/RonaldHoffman ____________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Ira J Lund [mailto:ira.lund@cf-software.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 6:12 AM To: Ron Hoffman Subject: Re: [CFTW] Rebuild Index Problem I did get the large file (twice), but a quick look at it indicates that it is a mess. I could see no one attached to others in the database and it would be a manual effort to re-attach everyone. Some corruption has gotten into the database. If you have a previous version that is fine, it would be best to go back and use it. You will have to re-enter people to get back to where you were. Sorry I couldn't be more help. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com Web: http://www.cf-software.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Hoffman" <ronhoffman@yahoo.com> To: "'Ira J Lund'" <ira.lund@cf-software.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: RE: [CFTW] Rebuild Index Problem > > Here is the file. > > Hope it gets through. > > I can send the last version before I merged another data base. It > seems to > be OK. Would it work to merge the two? > > > > Ron > > > Ronald H. Hoffman > 1345 Race St. > Denver, CO 80206 > ronhoffman@yahoo.com > home: 303-316-9303 > cell: 720-989-6747 > http://center.spoke.com/profiles/RonaldHoffman > ____________________________________ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ira J Lund [mailto:ira.lund@cf-software.com] > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:13 AM > To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CFTW] Rebuild Index Problem > > > Can you ZIP and email the database to me. I will take a look and see. > But I > am worried that since you have run the rebuild that somehow the > connection to at list IRN 1 is disconnected. Can you do a NameSearch > and find other people? Are the others connected in a family tree? > > Ira > ------------------------------------------------ > Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software > E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com Web: http://www.cf-software.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Hoffman" <ronhoffman@yahoo.com> > To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 11:30 PM > Subject: [CFTW] Rebuild Index Problem > > > > Pardon me if this issue has been covered. I changed e-mails about > > three months ago and did not renew here. > > > > Just ran a rebuild index on my data. When it completed, only IRN 1 > > shows. The number of IRN's is 58,000+, but the tree is gone. I can > > type in an > IRN > > and get an individual, but there is no connectivity. I tried to > > rerun the index and that did not work. I uninstalled and > > reinstalled 3.14 (in the same folder.) > > > > Any suggestions. > > > > I have a very recent gedcom that I prepared to download on Rootsweb > > which can serve as back-up, but a have several hours of clean-up in > > my latest > cft. > > > > Ideas? > > > > > > Ronald H. Hoffman > > 1345 Race St. > > Denver, CO 80206 > > ronhoffman@yahoo.com > > home: 303-316-9303 > > cell: 720-989-6747 > > <http://center.spoke.com/profiles/RonaldHoffman> > > http://center.spoke.com/profiles/RonaldHoffman > > ____________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > > CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > > CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > > Subject: unsubscribe > > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

-----Original Message----- From: Mike Calder [mailto:mikecalder@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:00 PM To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CFTW] Rebuild Index Problem G'day , > What are YOU talking about, Andy? I THINK he means send the ZIP file to the person (to Ira). Mike CALDER EMAIL: mikecalder@optusnet.com.au WEB: http://members.optusnet.com.au/mikecalder/ ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== You can contact the List Manager at: CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

What are YOU talking about, Andy? This type of communication is exactly what this forum is all about. Floyd > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Crews [mailto:crews@satx.rr.com] > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 2:43 PM > To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [CFTW] Rebuild Index Problem > > > Please send these messages directly to the person concerned. > > Thanks, > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Hoffman [mailto:ronhoffman@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 1:08 PM > To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [CFTW] Rebuild Index Problem > > Zipped file is 21 Meg - OK to send? > > I can do a name search and find other people, but they are also not > connected. > > Each one appears to be unhooked. > > The name list is empty. > > > Ron > > > > Ronald H. Hoffman > 1345 Race St. > Denver, CO 80206 > ronhoffman@yahoo.com > home: 303-316-9303 > cell: 720-989-6747 > http://center.spoke.com/profiles/RonaldHoffman > ____________________________________ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ira J Lund [mailto:ira.lund@cf-software.com] > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:13 AM > To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CFTW] Rebuild Index Problem > > > Can you ZIP and email the database to me. I will take a look and > see. But I > am worried that since you have run teh rebuild that somehow the connection > to at list IRN 1 is disconnected. Can you do a NameSearch and find other > people? Are the others connected in a family tree? > > Ira > ------------------------------------------------ > Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software > E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com Web: http://www.cf-software.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Hoffman" <ronhoffman@yahoo.com> > To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 11:30 PM > Subject: [CFTW] Rebuild Index Problem > > > > Pardon me if this issue has been covered. I changed e-mails about > > three months ago and did not renew here. > > > > Just ran a rebuild index on my data. When it completed, only IRN 1 > > shows. The number of IRN's is 58,000+, but the tree is gone. I can > > type in an > IRN > > and get an individual, but there is no connectivity. I tried to rerun > > the index and that did not work. I uninstalled and reinstalled 3.14 > > (in the same folder.) > > > > Any suggestions. > > > > I have a very recent gedcom that I prepared to download on Rootsweb > > which can serve as back-up, but a have several hours of clean-up in my > > latest > cft. > > > > Ideas? > > > > > > Ronald H. Hoffman > > 1345 Race St. > > Denver, CO 80206 > > ronhoffman@yahoo.com > > home: 303-316-9303 > > cell: 720-989-6747 > > <http://center.spoke.com/profiles/RonaldHoffman> > > http://center.spoke.com/profiles/RonaldHoffman > > ____________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > > CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > > CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > > Subject: unsubscribe > > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > >

Please send these messages directly to the person concerned. Thanks, Andy -----Original Message----- From: Ron Hoffman [mailto:ronhoffman@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 1:08 PM To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CFTW] Rebuild Index Problem Zipped file is 21 Meg - OK to send? I can do a name search and find other people, but they are also not connected. Each one appears to be unhooked. The name list is empty. Ron Ronald H. Hoffman 1345 Race St. Denver, CO 80206 ronhoffman@yahoo.com home: 303-316-9303 cell: 720-989-6747 http://center.spoke.com/profiles/RonaldHoffman ____________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Ira J Lund [mailto:ira.lund@cf-software.com] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:13 AM To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CFTW] Rebuild Index Problem Can you ZIP and email the database to me. I will take a look and see. But I am worried that since you have run teh rebuild that somehow the connection to at list IRN 1 is disconnected. Can you do a NameSearch and find other people? Are the others connected in a family tree? Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com Web: http://www.cf-software.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Hoffman" <ronhoffman@yahoo.com> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 11:30 PM Subject: [CFTW] Rebuild Index Problem > Pardon me if this issue has been covered. I changed e-mails about > three months ago and did not renew here. > > Just ran a rebuild index on my data. When it completed, only IRN 1 > shows. The number of IRN's is 58,000+, but the tree is gone. I can > type in an IRN > and get an individual, but there is no connectivity. I tried to rerun > the index and that did not work. I uninstalled and reinstalled 3.14 > (in the same folder.) > > Any suggestions. > > I have a very recent gedcom that I prepared to download on Rootsweb > which can serve as back-up, but a have several hours of clean-up in my > latest cft. > > Ideas? > > > Ronald H. Hoffman > 1345 Race St. > Denver, CO 80206 > ronhoffman@yahoo.com > home: 303-316-9303 > cell: 720-989-6747 > <http://center.spoke.com/profiles/RonaldHoffman> > http://center.spoke.com/profiles/RonaldHoffman > ____________________________________ > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== You can contact the List Manager at: CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== You can contact the List Manager at: CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Zipped file is 21 Meg - OK to send? I can do a name search and find other people, but they are also not connected. Each one appears to be unhooked. The name list is empty. Ron Ronald H. Hoffman 1345 Race St. Denver, CO 80206 ronhoffman@yahoo.com home: 303-316-9303 cell: 720-989-6747 http://center.spoke.com/profiles/RonaldHoffman ____________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Ira J Lund [mailto:ira.lund@cf-software.com] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:13 AM To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CFTW] Rebuild Index Problem Can you ZIP and email the database to me. I will take a look and see. But I am worried that since you have run teh rebuild that somehow the connection to at list IRN 1 is disconnected. Can you do a NameSearch and find other people? Are the others connected in a family tree? Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com Web: http://www.cf-software.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Hoffman" <ronhoffman@yahoo.com> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 11:30 PM Subject: [CFTW] Rebuild Index Problem > Pardon me if this issue has been covered. I changed e-mails about > three months ago and did not renew here. > > Just ran a rebuild index on my data. When it completed, only IRN 1 > shows. The number of IRN's is 58,000+, but the tree is gone. I can > type in an IRN > and get an individual, but there is no connectivity. I tried to rerun > the index and that did not work. I uninstalled and reinstalled 3.14 > (in the same folder.) > > Any suggestions. > > I have a very recent gedcom that I prepared to download on Rootsweb > which can serve as back-up, but a have several hours of clean-up in my > latest cft. > > Ideas? > > > Ronald H. Hoffman > 1345 Race St. > Denver, CO 80206 > ronhoffman@yahoo.com > home: 303-316-9303 > cell: 720-989-6747 > <http://center.spoke.com/profiles/RonaldHoffman> > http://center.spoke.com/profiles/RonaldHoffman > ____________________________________ > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== You can contact the List Manager at: CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Can you ZIP and email the database to me. I will take a look and see. But I am worried that since you have run teh rebuild that somehow the connection to at list IRN 1 is disconnected. Can you do a NameSearch and find other people? Are the others connected in a family tree? Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com Web: http://www.cf-software.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Hoffman" <ronhoffman@yahoo.com> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 11:30 PM Subject: [CFTW] Rebuild Index Problem > Pardon me if this issue has been covered. I changed e-mails about three > months ago and did not renew here. > > Just ran a rebuild index on my data. When it completed, only IRN 1 shows. > The number of IRN's is 58,000+, but the tree is gone. I can type in an IRN > and get an individual, but there is no connectivity. I tried to rerun the > index and that did not work. I uninstalled and reinstalled 3.14 (in the > same folder.) > > Any suggestions. > > I have a very recent gedcom that I prepared to download on Rootsweb which > can serve as back-up, but a have several hours of clean-up in my latest cft. > > Ideas? > > > Ronald H. Hoffman > 1345 Race St. > Denver, CO 80206 > ronhoffman@yahoo.com > home: 303-316-9303 > cell: 720-989-6747 > <http://center.spoke.com/profiles/RonaldHoffman> > http://center.spoke.com/profiles/RonaldHoffman > ____________________________________ > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi, I found your Data base by accident and the address above caught my attention as only Friday I discovered that my GT Aunt died at that address on Sat 16 August 1911. This could mean that either the families were friends , related or an accident occurred or your relative 's had some profession l reason for my GT aunt being there-nurse doctor??? The family surname was Treseder. Would be interested to hear from you Yours, Sue in LLantrisant Glamorgan. **********************************

Claude, I don't suppose there is a "correct" way to do it. It depends how you view the census and how it adds to your knowledge of the families. I consider the way the census groups the family together is unique. So many relationships are confirmed in one household, which are otherwise presented piecemeal. Siblings, grandparents/children, step-relations and more are presented uniquely in a census entry. Therefore I use the whole household in each individual's record. It can seem repetitive when producing, for instance, a Family Story but each person then receives their full background when they are looked at in another context. As a historian I would not leave out the full details of the source, except perhaps where other events arise from it. After all once a source is set up in CFT, it is so easy to quote! When using a census as proof of another event, such as in a birth I would enter a Note e.g. "Aged 14/24/34 born Newtown in the 1871/81/91 censuses". The source would be simply "Census", an indication more information is available in those events. I am talking here about the UK 19C & 1901 censuses, not having any experience of others but I expect the same logic would be valid elsewhere. I have used this system for a few years now, developing it as I went along. I would welcome comments and criticisms! It seems to suit my way of recording what my research uncovers. It may not be right for everyone. Happy hunting Sandra in New Quay, Wales, UK

Jon, it would seem to me that you should just 'talk' to this lady some more. There may be more family connections. It seems like you are trying to find out more, but at the same time, you are trying to keep some family names secret. ***************************************************************** >From: Jon Myers <emquad@worldnet.att.net> >Reply-To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com >To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CFTW] The Name Aletta >Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:03:17 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: emquad@postoffice.worldnet.att.net >Received: from mc11-f35.hotmail.com ([65.54.167.42]) by >mc11-s19.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Fri, 24 Sep >2004 23:05:05 -0700 >Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com ([66.43.18.41]) by mc11-f35.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:05:05 -0700 >Received: (from slist@localhost)by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id >i8P634Sw024114;Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:03:04 -0600 >X-Message-Info: 0jbW5ANosZKFOtMAYzzRHDl9u0XIOiiB >Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:03:04 -0600 >X-Original-Sender: emquad@worldnet.att.net Sat Sep 25 00:03:03 2004 >Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040925020317.00c91078@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) >Old-To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 >Resent-Message-ID: <xHHMi.A.W4F.YoQVBB@lists5.rootsweb.com> >Resent-From: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/7170 >X-Loop: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com >Return-Path: CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2004 06:05:05.0449 (UTC) >FILETIME=[9A514190:01C4A2C5] > >Could any CFTWer tell me the origin of the female name Aletta and whether >it might be related to Elizabeth? The Aletta in question was >Dutch/Afrikaans. Her full name was Aletta Catharina JACOBSZ (1859-1946) of >Senekal, Orange Free State, South Africa. (In 1880, she married a >great-granduncle of mine.) Last week, I heard from an Elizabeth ("Elsabe") >Catharina (surname withheld), who lives in the U.S. and whose mother's >maiden name was JACOBSZ. She, too, was from Senekal and I am trying to >determine if these JACOBSZ families might be related. > >Thanks, > >Jon Myers >Try the Myers family tree search engine: >http://emquad.home.att.net/ancestry.html >NB. For reasons unknown, some browsers >will reject this address the first time >it is entered but accept it the second. > > >==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== >You can contact the List Manager at: >CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Could any CFTWer tell me the origin of the female name Aletta and whether it might be related to Elizabeth? The Aletta in question was Dutch/Afrikaans. Her full name was Aletta Catharina JACOBSZ (1859-1946) of Senekal, Orange Free State, South Africa. (In 1880, she married a great-granduncle of mine.) Last week, I heard from an Elizabeth ("Elsabe") Catharina (surname withheld), who lives in the U.S. and whose mother's maiden name was JACOBSZ. She, too, was from Senekal and I am trying to determine if these JACOBSZ families might be related. Thanks, Jon Myers Try the Myers family tree search engine: http://emquad.home.att.net/ancestry.html NB. For reasons unknown, some browsers will reject this address the first time it is entered but accept it the second.

Pardon me if this issue has been covered. I changed e-mails about three months ago and did not renew here. Just ran a rebuild index on my data. When it completed, only IRN 1 shows. The number of IRN's is 58,000+, but the tree is gone. I can type in an IRN and get an individual, but there is no connectivity. I tried to rerun the index and that did not work. I uninstalled and reinstalled 3.14 (in the same folder.) Any suggestions. I have a very recent gedcom that I prepared to download on Rootsweb which can serve as back-up, but a have several hours of clean-up in my latest cft. Ideas? Ronald H. Hoffman 1345 Race St. Denver, CO 80206 ronhoffman@yahoo.com home: 303-316-9303 cell: 720-989-6747 <http://center.spoke.com/profiles/RonaldHoffman> http://center.spoke.com/profiles/RonaldHoffman ____________________________________

Thanks all, I started using the census event after I purchased GenSmarts, because it looks for census data. But I still need to add the source data. This is how the webpage output for my gg-grandfather looks: Husband: Thomas L. HENDRIX Birth: 1 Mar 1848 Indiana Census: 18 Jul 1850 Smyrna Twp, (Jefferson Co), Indiana Census: 8 Jun 1860 Madison Twp, (Jefferson Co), Indiana Census: 12 Aug 1870 Lost River Twp, (Martin Co), Indiana Marriage: 11 Sep 1873 Nancy Elvira MADDOX (Pulaski Co), Indiana Census: 21 Jun 1880 White Post Twp, (Pulaski Co) Indiana Census: 2 Jun 1900 Indian Creek Twp, (Pulaski Co), Indiana Census: 23 Apr 1910 Rochester, (Olmsted Co), Minnesota Census: 17 Jan 1920 Rochester, (Olmsted Co), Minnesota Census: 21 Apr 1930 Rochester, (Olmsted Co), Minnesota Death: 26 Oct 1935 Houston, (Texas Co), Missouri Burial: 27 Oct 1935 Houston, (Texas Co), Missouri Burial: 25 Nov 1936 Oakwood Cemetery, Rochester, (Olmsted Co), Minnesota Claude This is how it shows after I have uploaded my gedcom to Ancestry: Name: Thomas L. HENDRIX Sex: M Birth: 1 Mar 1848 in Indiana Census: 18 Jul 1850 Note: FreeFormatDate:page 137B Smyrna Twp, (Jefferson Co), Indiana Census: 8 Jun 1860 Note: FreeFormatDate:page 774 Madison Twp, (Jefferson Co), Indiana Census: 12 Aug 1870 Note: FreeFormatDate:page 341A Lost River Twp, (Martin Co), Indiana Census: 21 Jun 1880 Note: FreeFormatDate:ED 149, sheet 261C White Post Twp, (Pulaski Co) Indiana Census: 2 Jun 1900 Note: FreeFormatDate:ED 92, sheet 1B Indian Creek Twp, (Pulaski Co), Indiana Census: 23 Apr 1910 Note: FreeFormatDate:ED 114, Ward 1, sheet 11A Rochester, (Olmsted Co), Minnesota Census: 17 Jan 1920 Note: FreeFormatDate:ED 116, Ward 2, sheet 17A Rochester, (Olmsted Co), Minnesota Census: 21 Apr 1930 Note: FreeFormatDate:ED 21, Ward 2, sheet 21B Rochester, (Olmsted Co), Minnesota Death: 26 Oct 1935 in Houston, (Texas Co), Missouri Burial: 27 Oct 1935 Houston, (Texas Co), Missouri Burial: 25 Nov 1936 Oakwood Cemetery, Rochester, (Olmsted Co), Minnesota PEDI: birth -----Original Message----- From: Ira J Lund [mailto:ira.lund@cf-software.com] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 8:01 AM To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CFTW] CFT census event Good discussion on sourcing. But there is also a Census Event. I sometimes do add a Census Event and enter the year of the census as the date and the place or location the person was living at time of census. This can be helpful sometimes when looking at all events in a persons life and seeing where they have lived every ten years. But when I do that I actually also attach the census source as Les has explained to the census event. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com Web: http://www.cf-software.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Bedford" <LB54@uk2.net> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [CFTW] CFT census event > I think you're looking at CFT "Events" in the wrong way. The way CFT > works, the "Census" isn't an event, it's a source, and the key "events" > that the census data generates on the CFT database are Address (or > possibly Lived/Residence), Occupation and Birth (date & place). > > Treating the Census as a "source", and Birth as an "event" in CFT are > obvious enough, but I know that having an Occupation or an Address as an > "event", too, seems kind of crazy; but in CFT an "Event" is really only > a fact about an individual person or a couple. (Or more strictly, it's a > fact to which a date is normally attached, so that Sex and Name are not > events, though Name Change is - as would Sex Change be if you ever came > across it!) > > My suggestion for dealing with census data is as follows (examples based > on the UK): > > Set up a source for each census > e.g. "Census 1851" (or if you prefer "UK 1851 Census") > Attach each source to an appropriate Repository > e.g. Family Records Centre, (or maybe LDS Church for 1881) > > For each person showing up on the census: > Use an "Address" event in CFT showing just the > census date & the address; > Use an "Occupation" event, if occupation appears on the > census, and just show the census date & the occupation; > Use a "Birth" event if this is the first time a person has shown > up. > Sometimes, e.g. on the 1841 UK census, you don't always get a real > address, in which case I use "Lived" instead. In the case of a > cohabiting couple, use a "couple" Address or Lived event - these reflect > much more accurately what the real situation is, and read much better on > reports. > > Put the census reference in the *Source* data for each one of the above > events > e.g. Film/Vol/Page: RG10/4029, Folio 46, Page 93 > Personally, I also put the actual address (or place) in the Source > "Note" (I feel that this helps to make the source reference more > meaningful when you print out reports). > > My personal preference is *not* to show the Enumeration District or > Schedule Number at all in CFT (applies only to the UK). > > Regards > > Les > > > > In message > <20040923221718.NGJA1791.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@DJ1D1R21>, Claude > Sturman <sturmanc@bellsouth.net> writes > >What is the correct way to enter a census event in CFT ? > > > >I have been doing the date enumerated as the census date and in the Free > >Format area placing the ED number, sheet number, and page number. > >But this output when generating a webpage. Also on reports it makes a mess > >of this entry. > > > >Is there a better way to enter census data so that it shows correctly on > >webpages and reports ? > > > >Claude > > > > > > > >==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > >You can contact the List Manager at: > >CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > > > >============================== > >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > -- > Les Bedford > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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I think you're looking at CFT "Events" in the wrong way. The way CFT works, the "Census" isn't an event, it's a source, and the key "events" that the census data generates on the CFT database are Address (or possibly Lived/Residence), Occupation and Birth (date & place). Treating the Census as a "source", and Birth as an "event" in CFT are obvious enough, but I know that having an Occupation or an Address as an "event", too, seems kind of crazy; but in CFT an "Event" is really only a fact about an individual person or a couple. (Or more strictly, it's a fact to which a date is normally attached, so that Sex and Name are not events, though Name Change is - as would Sex Change be if you ever came across it!) My suggestion for dealing with census data is as follows (examples based on the UK): Set up a source for each census e.g. "Census 1851" (or if you prefer "UK 1851 Census") Attach each source to an appropriate Repository e.g. Family Records Centre, (or maybe LDS Church for 1881) For each person showing up on the census: Use an "Address" event in CFT showing just the census date & the address; Use an "Occupation" event, if occupation appears on the census, and just show the census date & the occupation; Use a "Birth" event if this is the first time a person has shown up. Sometimes, e.g. on the 1841 UK census, you don't always get a real address, in which case I use "Lived" instead. In the case of a cohabiting couple, use a "couple" Address or Lived event - these reflect much more accurately what the real situation is, and read much better on reports. Put the census reference in the *Source* data for each one of the above events e.g. Film/Vol/Page: RG10/4029, Folio 46, Page 93 Personally, I also put the actual address (or place) in the Source "Note" (I feel that this helps to make the source reference more meaningful when you print out reports). My personal preference is *not* to show the Enumeration District or Schedule Number at all in CFT (applies only to the UK). Regards Les In message <20040923221718.NGJA1791.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@DJ1D1R21>, Claude Sturman <sturmanc@bellsouth.net> writes >What is the correct way to enter a census event in CFT ? > >I have been doing the date enumerated as the census date and in the Free >Format area placing the ED number, sheet number, and page number. >But this output when generating a webpage. Also on reports it makes a mess >of this entry. > >Is there a better way to enter census data so that it shows correctly on >webpages and reports ? > >Claude > > > >==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== >You can contact the List Manager at: >CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > -- Les Bedford

Good discussion on sourcing. But there is also a Census Event. I sometimes do add a Census Event and enter the year of the census as the date and the place or location the person was living at time of census. This can be helpful sometimes when looking at all events in a persons life and seeing where they have lived every ten years. But when I do that I actually also attach the census source as Les has explained to the census event. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com Web: http://www.cf-software.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Bedford" <LB54@uk2.net> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [CFTW] CFT census event > I think you're looking at CFT "Events" in the wrong way. The way CFT > works, the "Census" isn't an event, it's a source, and the key "events" > that the census data generates on the CFT database are Address (or > possibly Lived/Residence), Occupation and Birth (date & place). > > Treating the Census as a "source", and Birth as an "event" in CFT are > obvious enough, but I know that having an Occupation or an Address as an > "event", too, seems kind of crazy; but in CFT an "Event" is really only > a fact about an individual person or a couple. (Or more strictly, it's a > fact to which a date is normally attached, so that Sex and Name are not > events, though Name Change is - as would Sex Change be if you ever came > across it!) > > My suggestion for dealing with census data is as follows (examples based > on the UK): > > Set up a source for each census > e.g. "Census 1851" (or if you prefer "UK 1851 Census") > Attach each source to an appropriate Repository > e.g. Family Records Centre, (or maybe LDS Church for 1881) > > For each person showing up on the census: > Use an "Address" event in CFT showing just the > census date & the address; > Use an "Occupation" event, if occupation appears on the > census, and just show the census date & the occupation; > Use a "Birth" event if this is the first time a person has shown > up. > Sometimes, e.g. on the 1841 UK census, you don't always get a real > address, in which case I use "Lived" instead. In the case of a > cohabiting couple, use a "couple" Address or Lived event - these reflect > much more accurately what the real situation is, and read much better on > reports. > > Put the census reference in the *Source* data for each one of the above > events > e.g. Film/Vol/Page: RG10/4029, Folio 46, Page 93 > Personally, I also put the actual address (or place) in the Source > "Note" (I feel that this helps to make the source reference more > meaningful when you print out reports). > > My personal preference is *not* to show the Enumeration District or > Schedule Number at all in CFT (applies only to the UK). > > Regards > > Les > > > > In message > <20040923221718.NGJA1791.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@DJ1D1R21>, Claude > Sturman <sturmanc@bellsouth.net> writes > >What is the correct way to enter a census event in CFT ? > > > >I have been doing the date enumerated as the census date and in the Free > >Format area placing the ED number, sheet number, and page number. > >But this output when generating a webpage. Also on reports it makes a mess > >of this entry. > > > >Is there a better way to enter census data so that it shows correctly on > >webpages and reports ? > > > >Claude > > > > > > > >==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > >You can contact the List Manager at: > >CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > > > >============================== > >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > -- > Les Bedford > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >