Mary Christmas, Joe. I have one more suggestion: it may be necessary for you to first upgrade to a later version 2 (we reached V2.51, if I remember correctly) before we Ira came out with V3 This is actually a very active discussion list, so just wait a fes more days and I trust you will get the answer yoy are looking for! Christmas is a busy time of the year. Jens Brammer, Denmark -----Original Message----- From: hooker [mailto:hooker@zoominternet.net] Sent: 27. december 2004 03:07 To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CFTW] CFTW-To Upgrade or not Thanks for getting back with me Jerry. The menus at the top containing the file menus are not even avaliable. It starts with a small box in front of the main screen that asks for a database selection. OK I got that to go away by naming my database. I then tried the import from Ver 2 and it did something but I still can't see any data.. Any Ideas? Do you use this newer version yourself? I should be seeing several hundred IRN's.. Joe

Jerry, Thanks for the address on the archives page. I shall dig through it. Joe West Virginia USA

Hi Joe There is not much activity on the list. However, in the years that I have been a member I do not recall a time when a question was not answered. You can review the archives here http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CFT-WIN/ Jerry Port Coquitlam B.C. Canada web page http://members.shaw.ca/dimsdale DIMSDALE, GEDDES, ECKHOLDT, DOWNER, SINCLAIR, ETHERINGTON, MACK, LAMB ----- Original Message ----- From: "hooker" <hooker@zoominternet.net> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 5:03 AM Subject: Re: [CFTW] CFTW-To Upgrade or not > Jerry > I finally got my data in the new program but had to import it as a gedcom > file. It is a nice looking program but I'll have to relearn a lot of > keystrokes. Thanks for your help. I'll be hollering again, I'm sure. Do > you see much activity here? > > Joe > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Jerry I finally got my data in the new program but had to import it as a gedcom file. It is a nice looking program but I'll have to relearn a lot of keystrokes. Thanks for your help. I'll be hollering again, I'm sure. Do you see much activity here? Joe

Thanks for getting back with me Jerry. The menus at the top containing the file menus are not even avaliable. It starts with a small box in front of the main screen that asks for a database selection. OK I got that to go away by naming my database. I then tried the import from Ver 2 and it did something but I still can't see any data.. Any Ideas? Do you use this newer version yourself? I should be seeing several hundred IRN's.. Joe

Joe I do use the latest version and would suggest you upgrade. I do not recall having this problem when I imported ver 2 to 3. Open your new database and try the rebuild under tools. Instructions from the manual: Upgrading from Cumberland Family Tree for Windows Version 2 is very easy. Do not delete your old Version 2 program and database until you have successfully transferred the data and are comfortable that all is running well. 1.Create a new CFT Version 3 database. You may name it whatever you wish (long file names allowed), as long as it uses the .cft extension. 2. If you use a language other than English, first go to the Database Configuration (Option Menu) and set the language of the database to the same language as your Version 2 database. 3. Without adding any data to the database, immediately go to the File Menu, Import/Export, CFT-Win Version 2 Import. Click the Select button to locate the folder with your old Version 2 database. Then click the Import button to import all the data. That is all there is to it. You should now have your data transferred from CFT-Win Version 2. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "hooker" <hooker@zoominternet.net> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [CFTW] CFTW-To Upgrade or not > Thanks for getting back with me Jerry. The menus at the top containing the > file menus are not even avaliable. It starts with a small box in front of > the main screen that asks for a database selection. OK I got that to go > away by naming my database. I then tried the import from Ver 2 and it did > something but I still can't see any data.. Any Ideas? Do you use this > newer version yourself? I should be seeing several hundred IRN's.. > > Joe

I have a very old version of CFTW (V2.04). My question is, Should I upgrade? I downloaded a trial version off the web site but couldn't figure how to make it recognize my older data. What gives? I'm hoping this is still an active news group and I can get some help. Thanks, Joe Hooker

Hi Joe Did you try the import function under File, Import/Export? Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "hooker" <hooker@zoominternet.net> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 10:38 AM Subject: [CFTW] CFTW-To Upgrade or not >I have a very old version of CFTW (V2.04). My question is, Should I > upgrade? I downloaded a trial version off the web site but couldn't > figure how to make it recognize my older data. What gives? I'm hoping > this is still an active news group and I can get some help. > > Thanks, > Joe Hooker > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Ok you seem to have a problem I have no doubt Ira will have a fix after the holidays. Regards Gale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Marson" <ian.marson@connectfree.co.uk> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [CFTW] Indexed Book Yes I have done all this but the problem appears to be that when blank pages are inserted, on which you can do an EDIT - but not a PRINT or PREVIEW as soon as you select an option to print the book it will print OK until it gets to a blank page and then an error message appears saying "SORRY THIS REPORT HAS NOT BEEN WRITTEN" this then throws out the remaining page numbers. I have tried Mikes suggestion of placing text in the blank page title such as "This Page left intentionally blank" but it makes no difference, except that the Table of Contents then has an item called "This page is left intentionally blank" Perhaps Ira can help on this. please. Think I will leave this until after the holiday. Merry Christmas to All Regards Ian Marson -----Original Message----- From: Gale Fursdon [mailto:gale@ihug.co.nz] Sent: 24 December 2004 06:13 To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CFTW] Indexed Book Yes that is what I do. Just preview the page and then move on without printing. All the pages will then bebin correct order and the index upgraded. Regards Gale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael CALDER" <mikecalder@optusnet.com.au> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 10:25 PM Subject: RE: [CFTW] Indexed Book G'day Gale, > The solution is to review pages from the beginning, without > printing. Not sure how you do this. When I am in the "Book" dialog box all I can do is "Print" and if I am not using Fine print it goes to the printer and paper and ink. Looking again at page 135 of the manual, Ira says: 2. Begin printing each report beginning at the third item. (If you print the Table of Contents before other reports are printed, the page numbers will not show up properly in the Table of Contents. You may actually print the Title page at any time you wish.) Sooooo. I guess you can start at the "third item" do an EDIT -> PRINT PREVIEW for each subsequent item (chapter etc.) and you will achieve the same as if you did the "Begin printing each report..." mentioned above without using paper. Is this what you mean? Merry Christmas... Mike. Mike CALDER http://members.optusnet.com.au/mikecalder/ Researching: CALDER, DIXON, TUSON, GRACIE D&GFHS #2979 ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== You can contact the List Manager at: CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== You can contact the List Manager at: CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com

Yes that is what I do. Just preview the page and then move on without printing. All the pages will then bebin correct order and the index upgraded. Regards Gale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael CALDER" <mikecalder@optusnet.com.au> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 10:25 PM Subject: RE: [CFTW] Indexed Book G'day Gale, > The solution is to review pages from the beginning, without > printing. Not sure how you do this. When I am in the "Book" dialog box all I can do is "Print" and if I am not using Fine print it goes to the printer and paper and ink. Looking again at page 135 of the manual, Ira says: 2. Begin printing each report beginning at the third item. (If you print the Table of Contents before other reports are printed, the page numbers will not show up properly in the Table of Contents. You may actually print the Title page at any time you wish.) Sooooo. I guess you can start at the "third item" do an EDIT -> PRINT PREVIEW for each subsequent item (chapter etc.) and you will achieve the same as if you did the "Begin printing each report..." mentioned above without using paper. Is this what you mean? Merry Christmas... Mike. Mike CALDER http://members.optusnet.com.au/mikecalder/ Researching: CALDER, DIXON, TUSON, GRACIE D&GFHS #2979 ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== You can contact the List Manager at: CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com

Yes I have done all this but the problem appears to be that when blank pages are inserted, on which you can do an EDIT - but not a PRINT or PREVIEW as soon as you select an option to print the book it will print OK until it gets to a blank page and then an error message appears saying "SORRY THIS REPORT HAS NOT BEEN WRITTEN" this then throws out the remaining page numbers. I have tried Mikes suggestion of placing text in the blank page title such as "This Page left intentionally blank" but it makes no difference, except that the Table of Contents then has an item called "This page is left intentionally blank" Perhaps Ira can help on this. please. Think I will leave this until after the holiday. Merry Christmas to All Regards Ian Marson -----Original Message----- From: Gale Fursdon [mailto:gale@ihug.co.nz] Sent: 24 December 2004 06:13 To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CFTW] Indexed Book Yes that is what I do. Just preview the page and then move on without printing. All the pages will then bebin correct order and the index upgraded. Regards Gale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael CALDER" <mikecalder@optusnet.com.au> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 10:25 PM Subject: RE: [CFTW] Indexed Book G'day Gale, > The solution is to review pages from the beginning, without > printing. Not sure how you do this. When I am in the "Book" dialog box all I can do is "Print" and if I am not using Fine print it goes to the printer and paper and ink. Looking again at page 135 of the manual, Ira says: 2. Begin printing each report beginning at the third item. (If you print the Table of Contents before other reports are printed, the page numbers will not show up properly in the Table of Contents. You may actually print the Title page at any time you wish.) Sooooo. I guess you can start at the "third item" do an EDIT -> PRINT PREVIEW for each subsequent item (chapter etc.) and you will achieve the same as if you did the "Begin printing each report..." mentioned above without using paper. Is this what you mean? Merry Christmas... Mike. Mike CALDER http://members.optusnet.com.au/mikecalder/ Researching: CALDER, DIXON, TUSON, GRACIE D&GFHS #2979 ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== You can contact the List Manager at: CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

It has been a long time since I visited this part of the program, but the blank page problem sounds like a bug to me. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software www.cf-software.com -----Original Message----- From: Ian Marson [mailto:ian.marson@connectfree.co.uk] Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 2:59 AM To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CFTW] Indexed Book Yes I have done all this but the problem appears to be that when blank pages are inserted, on which you can do an EDIT - but not a PRINT or PREVIEW as soon as you select an option to print the book it will print OK until it gets to a blank page and then an error message appears saying "SORRY THIS REPORT HAS NOT BEEN WRITTEN" this then throws out the remaining page numbers. I have tried Mikes suggestion of placing text in the blank page title such as "This Page left intentionally blank" but it makes no difference, except that the Table of Contents then has an item called "This page is left intentionally blank" Perhaps Ira can help on this. please. Think I will leave this until after the holiday. Merry Christmas to All Regards Ian Marson -----Original Message----- From: Gale Fursdon [mailto:gale@ihug.co.nz] Sent: 24 December 2004 06:13 To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CFTW] Indexed Book Yes that is what I do. Just preview the page and then move on without printing. All the pages will then bebin correct order and the index upgraded. Regards Gale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael CALDER" <mikecalder@optusnet.com.au> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 10:25 PM Subject: RE: [CFTW] Indexed Book G'day Gale, > The solution is to review pages from the beginning, without > printing. Not sure how you do this. When I am in the "Book" dialog box all I can do is "Print" and if I am not using Fine print it goes to the printer and paper and ink. Looking again at page 135 of the manual, Ira says: 2. Begin printing each report beginning at the third item. (If you print the Table of Contents before other reports are printed, the page numbers will not show up properly in the Table of Contents. You may actually print the Title page at any time you wish.) Sooooo. I guess you can start at the "third item" do an EDIT -> PRINT PREVIEW for each subsequent item (chapter etc.) and you will achieve the same as if you did the "Begin printing each report..." mentioned above without using paper. Is this what you mean? Merry Christmas... Mike. Mike CALDER http://members.optusnet.com.au/mikecalder/ Researching: CALDER, DIXON, TUSON, GRACIE D&GFHS #2979 ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== You can contact the List Manager at: CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== You can contact the List Manager at: CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com

Nothing wrong. When you select Danish as the language it expects you to use Danish and not English - so when you enter an English word it doesn't know what you entered and reverts to the first month. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software www.cf-software.com -----Original Message----- From: Anni og Torben [mailto:antopo@get2net.dk] Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 5:22 PM To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CFTW] Language problem Hi CFTW-users I found a problem with the 3-letter abbreviation of month names in the 'Edit Event' window when entering a date. I'm using version 3.14.d and the language of both Database and Program is set to 'Danish'. If I by accident write 'may' instead of the Danish 'maj' the month will be changed to 'Jan'. If I write 'oct' instead of the Danish 'okt' the month will be changed to 'Jan'. If I change the language to English and 'go the other way' the same conversion happens: 'Maj' becomes 'Jan' and 'Okt' becomes 'Jan'. The date is set to 'normal' and 'Gregorian Date (New Style)'. The conversion takes place immediately when I leave the date-input box. The other months show no problem as they are identical in Danish and English. Anything wrong in my configuration? Torben Poulsen - with a merry Christmas from a mild winter Denmark ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== You can contact the List Manager at: CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com

G'day Ian, > then placed 4 blank documents in at the next page after the > descendent story which happened to be page 22. Each blank was > one page in length (pages 23, 24, 25 and 26). At page 27 I > then inserted another descendent story. Top of the head stuff this as it is Christmas Eve ;-) I assume that the pages are blank for a purpose - phots?? Now I did have a "chapter" to which I had not given a name and it did not appear in the contents AISTR but the two documents, one of only a few lines, still printed OK. Suggest some useful name for the blank pages be the text in that document. Say "Joes Photos" or "This page intentionally blank" as an experiment and then see what happens. Good luck! Hope this is my Christmas present to you. I just scored photographs of the graves first of my tribe in Australia yesterday! Mike. Mike CALDER http://members.optusnet.com.au/mikecalder/ Researching: CALDER, DIXON, TUSON, GRACIE D&GFHS #2979

Hi CFTW-users I found a problem with the 3-letter abbreviation of month names in the 'Edit Event' window when entering a date. I'm using version 3.14.d and the language of both Database and Program is set to 'Danish'. If I by accident write 'may' instead of the Danish 'maj' the month will be changed to 'Jan'. If I write 'oct' instead of the Danish 'okt' the month will be changed to 'Jan'. If I change the language to English and 'go the other way' the same conversion happens: 'Maj' becomes 'Jan' and 'Okt' becomes 'Jan'. The date is set to 'normal' and 'Gregorian Date (New Style)'. The conversion takes place immediately when I leave the date-input box. The other months show no problem as they are identical in Danish and English. Anything wrong in my configuration? Torben Poulsen - with a merry Christmas from a mild winter Denmark

G'day Gale, > The solution is to review pages from the beginning, without > printing. Not sure how you do this. When I am in the "Book" dialog box all I can do is "Print" and if I am not using Fine print it goes to the printer and paper and ink. Looking again at page 135 of the manual, Ira says: 2. Begin printing each report beginning at the third item. (If you print the Table of Contents before other reports are printed, the page numbers will not show up properly in the Table of Contents. You may actually print the Title page at any time you wish.) Sooooo. I guess you can start at the "third item" do an EDIT -> PRINT PREVIEW for each subsequent item (chapter etc.) and you will achieve the same as if you did the "Begin printing each report..." mentioned above without using paper. Is this what you mean? Merry Christmas... Mike. Mike CALDER http://members.optusnet.com.au/mikecalder/ Researching: CALDER, DIXON, TUSON, GRACIE D&GFHS #2979

Mike Further to my last message I think I have found the problem but don't know a way around it. I placed a descendent story starting at page 3 in the book. I then placed 4 blank documents in at the next page after the descendent story which happened to be page 22. Each blank was one page in length (pages 23, 24, 25 and 26). At page 27 I then inserted another descendent story. When I began to print the whole book it started at page 3 (missing the contents and title page) but when it came to page 23 I got an error message saying "this story has not been printed yet", likewise I got the same error for pages 24-26. The book then continued printing the next descendent story but started at page number 22 (rather than page 27). In other words it would not include the blank pages in the book. Even though I had edited each one prior to printing in order to get the page numbers in sequence. Note that there is no print or preview option when editing a blank page. Is this a bug in the program for printing the book when including blanks, or is there a way around this? Regards Ian -----Original Message----- From: Ian Marson [mailto:ian.marson@connectfree.co.uk] Sent: 23 December 2004 13:37 To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CFTW] Indexed Book Mike I actually did do a dummy print starting at the first chapter by printing to a pdf file, but firstly I did a print preview of each report. As I did each preview the page numbers appeared in the book list of chapters and topics, they all looked fine. The preview of the Index and Sources looked OK but as soon as I selected the print option on the book the first chapter printed OK then the second chapter began at page 1 and so on. The only way I seem to be able to get around this is by printing each report (using the starting at page no. xx option)to individual PDF files and then printing out in that way. Trying to print the whole book just does not work. Regards Ian -----Original Message----- From: Michael CALDER [mailto:mikecalder@optusnet.com.au] Sent: 22 December 2004 20:35 To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CFTW] Indexed Book G'day Ian, > Could someone tell me what I am doing wrong when compiling an > indexed book. I am in a bit of a rush but I think this is covered in the manual. You have to do a "dummy" print of the whole book starting at the first chapter to get the pages, indexes, contents correct. I actually print to a PDF file using FinePrint. I think there is a way to print to another text etc. file the idea being not to waste paper and ink. When that has been done you then print the book properly but you must print all in one hit - again I think. BTW - using the PDF output enables you to SEE that it all looks OK before using the paper. Hence my current conversation with Ira in a "Chapter of DOCUMENTS" ;-) Have fun.... Mike. Mike CALDER http://members.optusnet.com.au/mikecalder/ Researching: CALDER, DIXON, TUSON, GRACIE D&GFHS #2979 ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== You can contact the List Manager at: CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com

Mike I actually did do a dummy print starting at the first chapter by printing to a pdf file, but firstly I did a print preview of each report. As I did each preview the page numbers appeared in the book list of chapters and topics, they all looked fine. The preview of the Index and Sources looked OK but as soon as I selected the print option on the book the first chapter printed OK then the second chapter began at page 1 and so on. The only way I seem to be able to get around this is by printing each report (using the starting at page no. xx option)to individual PDF files and then printing out in that way. Trying to print the whole book just does not work. Regards Ian -----Original Message----- From: Michael CALDER [mailto:mikecalder@optusnet.com.au] Sent: 22 December 2004 20:35 To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CFTW] Indexed Book G'day Ian, > Could someone tell me what I am doing wrong when compiling an > indexed book. I am in a bit of a rush but I think this is covered in the manual. You have to do a "dummy" print of the whole book starting at the first chapter to get the pages, indexes, contents correct. I actually print to a PDF file using FinePrint. I think there is a way to print to another text etc. file the idea being not to waste paper and ink. When that has been done you then print the book properly but you must print all in one hit - again I think. BTW - using the PDF output enables you to SEE that it all looks OK before using the paper. Hence my current conversation with Ira in a "Chapter of DOCUMENTS" ;-) Have fun.... Mike. Mike CALDER http://members.optusnet.com.au/mikecalder/ Researching: CALDER, DIXON, TUSON, GRACIE D&GFHS #2979 ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

Once you change a page, all the others lose their page numbers, as the index is then wrong. The solution is to review pages from the beginning, without printing. This will re-establish the corect numbers Regards Gale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael CALDER" <mikecalder@optusnet.com.au> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 9:35 AM Subject: RE: [CFTW] Indexed Book G'day Ian, > Could someone tell me what I am doing wrong when compiling an > indexed book. I am in a bit of a rush but I think this is covered in the manual. You have to do a "dummy" print of the whole book starting at the first chapter to get the pages, indexes, contents correct. I actually print to a PDF file using FinePrint. I think there is a way to print to another text etc. file the idea being not to waste paper and ink. When that has been done you then print the book properly but you must print all in one hit - again I think. BTW - using the PDF output enables you to SEE that it all looks OK before using the paper. Hence my current conversation with Ira in a "Chapter of DOCUMENTS" ;-) Have fun.... Mike. Mike CALDER http://members.optusnet.com.au/mikecalder/ Researching: CALDER, DIXON, TUSON, GRACIE D&GFHS #2979 ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

G'day Ian, > Could someone tell me what I am doing wrong when compiling an > indexed book. I am in a bit of a rush but I think this is covered in the manual. You have to do a "dummy" print of the whole book starting at the first chapter to get the pages, indexes, contents correct. I actually print to a PDF file using FinePrint. I think there is a way to print to another text etc. file the idea being not to waste paper and ink. When that has been done you then print the book properly but you must print all in one hit - again I think. BTW - using the PDF output enables you to SEE that it all looks OK before using the paper. Hence my current conversation with Ira in a "Chapter of DOCUMENTS" ;-) Have fun.... Mike. Mike CALDER http://members.optusnet.com.au/mikecalder/ Researching: CALDER, DIXON, TUSON, GRACIE D&GFHS #2979 rs.optusnet.com.au/mikecalder/ Researching: CALDER, DIXON, TUSON, GRACIE D&GFHS #2979